Skip to content

Early version. Transcripts and tags are labelled by accuracy tier. A position is shown only after two independent reviews have found it in his own words.

Mufti Abu Layth ArchiveBeta

Subscribe on YouTube Support on Patreon

Recordings › Muslim Scholars Allying With LGBTQ Community ? | Mufti Abu Layth · 22 Feb 2023 › Segment 1 of 9

Should scholars publicly condemn a scholar said to have joined in a libation ritual?

muftis koran quraan al-quran 'alim aalim ulama ulema ulamaa ummah umma ummat deen al-din ad-deen ad-din

Should scholars condemn a scholar over an alleged libation ritual?

QuestionCaller · questioner not identifiedAnswered 22 Feb 2023Segment 1 of 9 in the recording2023-02-22-S01

Play from 5:12 The video loads from YouTube only when you press play. Click a time in the transcript to seek.

Watch the answer

Open on YouTube at 5:12

The player starts at 5:12, where the answer begins.

This segment0:08 to 8:55 · 8 min 47 sGeneral teaching

The answer in brief

machinesummary, machine-written

Mufti Abu Layth does not think people have to condemn the scholar; to Mufti, pouring some water at a protest, as the scholar says he did without knowing the ritual's history, is not a big deal.

In more detail

After greetings with a caller, the caller says Mufti Abu Layth is thought to hold views on LGBTQ matters that differ from mainstream Muslims and asks why well-known scholars have not refuted scholars in North America and Europe who join hands with the LGBTQ community, naming Daniel Haqiqatjou as one of the few who spoke out. Asked what is meant, the caller refers to Omar Suleiman taking part in a libation ritual, pouring water on the ground, which the caller says has pagan roots. Mufti recounts Omar Suleiman's defence that he went to a protest, did what others did and did not know the ritual's history, and says he does not think people have to condemn him, asking whether pouring water is really a big deal. The caller says he knows it is wrong but ordinary Muslims look to the scholar as a beacon, and that joining hands with gay priests promotes their agenda; Mufti asks whether libation has increased among Muslims and reframes the question as whether Muslims should be anti-gay.

Question as read aloud · questioner not identified
Why are the well-known Muslim scholars not refuting this act, joining hands with the LGBTQ community and doing this pagan ritual?

Some terms in this segment are uncertain

Position stated

Not yet double-checked

A summary of the view expressed is published here only after a second, independent review has found the sentence in the transcript where he says it. Until then, the transcript and the recording speak for themselves.

Kind: general teaching

Transcript

machine0:08 to 8:55 · click a time to seek · dotted terms open the glossary

sorry no no much appreciated uh how are you doing I'm I'm greatly more importantly how are you and what thoughts are preoccupying your your precious mind Dr hash well thoughts are quite a bit but uh they are actually few that uh we both disagree on okay sure I've been listening you sure we all disagree on everything so we gota we gotta kind of you know I'm sure I'm sure i' I I say

to people sometimes that I disagree with myself on many things so you know other peopleim of course they will disagree with me I I disagree with myself but yeah your saying okay what are some of these first of all uh uh now finally I found how to interact with you I've been listening to you for few months maybe wow more okay but I couldn't find because of the time differences because I'm Saudi you're in UK oh wow you're in Saudi okay I should my first question sorry should have been where which normally is you know today

I'm a bit slow I think I didn't get you know the the coffee yeah it didn't really work on me today because my first question is usually where are you joining us from so uh that's I should have asked that so where in Saudi is it uh RI no no t t oh actual T wow okay so sorry car carry on okay so uh the thing is um this was the reason I couldn't find how to interact with you uh few questions are I'll come is a transgender because I know you have different different thoughts about the

things gays and lasbians lgbtq okay I I don't know do I do I have different thoughts I don't know means different from the mainstream Muslims okay I don't know do I no do I yeah I've heard a few things which you answer since you seem to know more about me than me but okay I don't know where I've said this I don't know where you've heard these but okay okay my point is that recently have seen few Muslim Scholars World well-known Scholars North in America and Europe they're

joining hands with the lgbtq and as we see in Quran it goes against the Quran then what is this this FNA Arabic FNA not Udu FNA sure and why why the scholars Muslim Scholars of especially all over the world i't seen except few like uh Daniel hu but he's not a scholar he a researcher like myself not big no big scholar have spoken or for against it or refuted it my point is that refuted what what what are we talking about the what what what

have they not refuted what is the thing we're talking about the the big scholar joining no no yeah but what are they joining like what is the thing they joining hands with what what is the what is the thing that they what's the topic of like what are we talking about when you saying they're joining hands with lgbtq what does that mean I what do what does that mean because they're giving an impression there platonic it's it's normal uh not u means like Humanity it's platonic or it's normal that lgbtq rituals that

Panic ritual uh yeah Panic ritual I have researched on that ritual P Panic Pagan rituals for yes they they draw they pour water on the ground but if you go into the OR research of this ritual it's very satanic and soorry what are we talking about what I don't understand what we're talking that event and are you talking about uh she what's his name uh she omaran this is what we're talking about feeling the but okay but what okay but what what have I got to do with she Omar San's doing I don't know what the

question I'm not the question is why the Muslim Scholars which are the wellknown scholar not refuting this act which he did that's why are they not refuting him spilling water joining hands with the priest of lgbtq and doing this Panic ritual right okay so look to be honest you know the I so just to understand the question right so do she Omar suan did something which is where he

went to some protest and he what what's the word of the of the the ritual but where they pour some water and this um has its roots in some Pagan practices now she omaran obv VI ly in his defense said look I uh I just went to the protest obviously we didn't know exactly what was going to happen I did what they did and to be honest they poured water I poured water I don't realize there's a history of uh some religiosity you know like if we're walking and you all touch this wall and I say all right am I supposed to touch it and you touch it and say oh my god did you know 400 years

ago uh there was an e a witch that used to touch this wall and you did it so I don't really know the history I'm just doing what everybody's doing so okay now this is the the story of it but I don't see why but personally what what she omaran does what what is that got to do with you're asking should we comment on it is this the question we should all why should we should we all be talking about it I don't see actually Scholars should say that this is wrong thing which he did scholars not commoners who are who don't have the was what was it called libation or something was it called like

Li I remember she uh I remember it was at the time when she omaran did this it was um it was beinged by exactly and he mentioned liation yeah that's it liation a drink poured out as an offering to a deity so okay the pouring out of a liation yep a drink a tequila is

also he probably did it as a tequila yard he probably this is I'm doing this he probably thought I thought we were going to lunch it's like a lunch break so look I don't think people have to condemn him if people want to cond name personally is it really some is this really that big of a deal somebody goes and pours some water and is it a big deal to you uh Abu Fatima do you feel that's a really big deal AB believe is because I'm a student of knowledge so so not big deal because I can I know that what he's doing is wrong I but the commoner people take him as a beam of

light understanding so do you feel do you feel that for example libation increased amongst the Muslim communities after Omar did it increase not liation didn't increase no no this is not that point point is joining hands with lgbtq promotes their agenda into Muslim Society oh so this isn't about the liation this is about what there were there were gay priests that were present and why did he join hands with G actual hands or as in he metaphorical hands as in he actual hand and

also was it NY NY was it whilst they were joining hands were they doing this I I I didn't look deep into this uh video was they like whilst they're standing there hands coming around on on the shoulder it's like it's like or so right okay so the question is Muslims should be uh anti-gay is this the question do you feel do you do you feel Muslim should be

anti-gay not that type of anti-gay okay there are two types of ant the religious the one is I don't know any of them tell us one is AB is the thing which we call Jal which is in Pakistan from where I belong and you belong that anything anything uh which goes against your uh uh perception of religion he should be killed or he should be destroyed or should be he should be killed killed clearly that's the thing

Paragraphs overlapping 0:08 to 8:55. Full text on the recording page.

Cite this segment

Stable id, transcript version and tier are part of the citation. Every change to a transcript is logged.

Mufti Abu Layth Archive, segment 2023-02-22-S01, auto-transcribed, may contain errors. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mofs_0ugn4e/s/1/ (accessed 1 November 2026)

APA 7

Mufti Abu Layth. (2023, February 22). Should scholars publicly condemn a scholar said to have joined in a libation ritual? [Video, segment 2023-02-22-S01, auto-transcribed, may contain errors]. Mufti Abu Layth Archive. Retrieved November 1, 2026, from https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mofs_0ugn4e/s/1/

Chicago author-date

Mufti Abu Layth. 2023. "Should scholars publicly condemn a scholar said to have joined in a libation ritual?" Video, segment 2023-02-22-S01, auto-transcribed, may contain errors. Mufti Abu Layth Archive. Recorded February 22, 2023. Accessed November 1, 2026. https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mofs_0ugn4e/s/1/

BibTeX

@misc{abulayth-2023-02-22-S01,
  author = {Mufti Abu Layth},
  title = {{Should scholars publicly condemn a scholar said to have joined in a libation ritual?}},
  year = {2023},
  month = {2},
  date = {2023-02-22},
  howpublished = {\url{https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mofs_0ugn4e/s/1/}},
  url = {https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mofs_0ugn4e/s/1/},
  organization = {Mufti Abu Layth Archive},
  urldate = {2026-11-01},
  note = {Segment 2023-02-22-S01, auto-transcribed, may contain errors}
}

Something wrong here?

Tell us what is wrong and it will be checked against the recording. Nothing changes until a person has reviewed it.

Sending a note needs JavaScript, which is off or unavailable in this browser. Nothing has been sent.

No name, email address or account is asked for or stored, and the inbox does not store your IP address. For rate limiting it keeps an unreadable fingerprint of your connection for 48 hours, and our database provider's own logs record connections as every website's do. Only your note, its kind, the page and the moment in the recording are kept, for review.