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Is it a problem that Muslim scholars today have no secular education?

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Scholars without secular education, and a commentator's obsession with LGBT

QuestionLive chat · questioner not identifiedAnswered 24 Aug 2020Monday Nights with Mufti Abu LaythSegment 18 of 40 in the recording2020-08-24-S18

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Mufti Abu Layth agrees secular education matters but says it is no cure for obsession, and holds that other people being gay does not make anyone gay.

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Asked for his thoughts on Muslim scholars today completely lacking secular education, Mufti Abu Layth agrees but says even those who have it can be a problem, and plays a clip of Daniel Haqiqatjou describing a strategy by Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen to make people accept homosexuality. Mufti says that despite a Harvard education Haqiqatjou is a prime example of some Americans' obsession with LGBTQ issues and Islam as the last bastion against them, and claims that homosexuality is widespread in Muslim countries, which he says is not his main point. He says people who are going to be gay are going to be gay, asks who we are to interfere, cites an Arabic verse that people have their ways in what they love, and says ten gay people around you do not make you gay. Answering chat, he turns to the idea of projection in psychology, referring to Jungian analysis and psychoanalysis.

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What are your thoughts on Muslim scholars nowadays completely lacking secular education?

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uh that you you're fearing poverty in the sense that you could have like let's say i've got all these finances to cover and and now i've got you know let's say an opportunity to to give some money and i'm thinking oh but i don't know because right now i've got all of this and i found that sometimes when you give in those situations and it's kind of testing of your character it's testing you i have seen and it's you see i can't demonstrate cause and effect here but i can just say that you feel it that what comes to you

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suddenly and you know unexpectedly is so much so many times more um honestly i would definitely say that so uh yeah there's a whole art to this and so i would definitely um support that right uh rojan mahmood what are your thoughts on nowadays muslim scholars completely lacking secular education yeah but even yeah of course and then sometimes they don't they have the secular education if i uh have a clip here example

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of i think some muslims can have doubts about the last how many brothers is the muslim world and the brothers in the west are asking one whole world not one by the way how do we get muslims to accept homosexuality and the gay and trans lifestyle the answer to this question is clear for them because they have used a strategy to get america and europe to accept lgbt two gay media strategists marshall kirk and hunter madsen [Laughter]

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you know daniel is somebody who is educated in secular studies he's been to harvard i believe or so yet he is a prime example of somebody so obsessed i don't know what it is with the americans you know some americans are so obsessed with the lgbtqi whatever the initials are right they're so obsessed with them like oh my god islam is the last bastion the final frontier to stand to withstand

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homosexuality muslims have you been to any muslim countries [Laughter] oh my god trust me they have long embraced this tradition i'll tell you you've got no idea don't know what kind of a cuckoo world you're living in right so because it's it's so i don't know what he's on about saudi arabia bloody hell it's a gay haven you know it's this is what is he on about i don't know what these countries are ridiculous

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you know the taliban afghanistan the whole bachabazi thing you've got in many other muslim countries the most sought searched after porn the most porn searches for gay porn comes from places like pakistan and saudi arabia and you know some of the most hardcore islamist kind of uh people and ideas and cultures where they where they are in that sense that's where you're gonna find this i don't and okay but that's not my point

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of discussion my point of discussion is why are these people so obsessed you know everything is like ah the lgbtq are after us the lgbt just calm down calm yourself [Laughter] look to me the way i see these things look people who are gonna be gay are gonna be gay okay it doesn't look they're here and they're here to stay now they if that's their way of life then as

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imam malik said that's the way of life who are we to interfere what's our problem at the end of the day if somebody wants something done to them in a particular way you know this was the arabic poem it says

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hahaha that aptly fits here it says and people have in you know in matters of what they love their ways but madahim is also a kind of place you go so it kind of fits a bit better here but the point is yeah so look just because let's say 10 people there are gay i'm not gonna it doesn't make turn you gay

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i don't know why people are so worried they're like oh my god this is it must be contagious it's like calm down they're going on going on going on always just you know just just like every single time just ranting on and on about people being gay it's like this is you know in just psychology 101 this is symptomatic i'm just saying from a psychoanalytic perspective of people who actually are most likely to be themselves homosexual that that are that

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you know rattled by i hate to say that but anyways [Music] because anyhow after all of this if anyhow after all of this danny boy comes out of the closet and says something like he's gay i'm just saying i'm not saying if you're watching this i'm not saying you are going to do but anyhow you do that

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this one not nice my friends right so let's but you're right this rujan said what about people who are the opposite they completely lack um somebody said it's not uh projection yeah you see what it is is that in psychology they will find that people who um what they tend to do is they are chastising their inner demons so people often hate something strongly

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that subconsciously reminds them of something within them this is often like jungian analysis and psychoanalysis and other things often will speak of this this is nothing new really and people will project and then chastise that demon so something i hate i may project it on to somebody else who has it or see amplify it and then it's not that i'm projecting the thing because in this case the other person is already gay he's not projecting the homosexuality on them but what he's doing

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Mufti Abu Layth. (2020, August 24). Is it a problem that Muslim scholars today have no secular education? [Video, segment 2020-08-24-S18, auto-transcribed, may contain errors]. Mufti Abu Layth Archive. Retrieved November 1, 2026, from https://muftiabulayth.org/r/kwmtt2tqao0/s/18/
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