What is Mufti Abu Layth's case for keeping the Islamic scholarly tradition?

Okay. Yes. So look now the the point is that this by default psychology is most human beings most human beings love being praised. So according to this verse most people will face an excruciating punishment >> right now that's fine that's your interpret that's your taking your not even inter that's your reading of the verse >> look shukran shukran look what I want to say is you have given an incredible amount of time today despite us being late >> let's actually let me actually answer with what you've just presented so I I understand how this conversation was going and that's why some individuals that are in the chat they might be saying certain things is because I

understand this methodology because we have to face it constantly where they want to negate the beautifification the how beautiful and clear the Quran is by presenting hypothes >> all right >> nobody's negating for me >> look I don't I would love to finish up point look listen but you have no >> I heard what you were saying I said do not straw man do not straw man like I've been trying to with you.

>> No, you didn't do not. >> No, no, what you're doing what you're doing quite simply what you're trying to do simply is what most of the Sunnis do is they try to present hypothetical to bring hypothetical and they think actually that's debatable. >> I've not judged your intention. I told you don't let me finish. You don't let me finish. You understand that?

>> Now you keep saying look >> you don't let me finish. You keep saying this. Look, no, don't straw man what I'm actually saying. >> But I would like to speak speak my point without you interrupting me. >> No, but if you're going to No, but if you're going to straw, man, it's not going to work because I've been respecting you. >> Don't judge my intention. I've not been judging your intention. I've been asking you to clarify. But but but you see the point that what I am gathering from this conversation is that you keep making these hypotheticals that you yourself don't believe in to try to negate on how clear the Quran is when you already had the same that I have.

I am reaching Lord man. Let me straw man you just let me straw man you and let me finish. >> No no no I won't. >> Can I just finish the point without being straw man? >> Look if you're going to steal man cool. So so so you're saying that for you to understand the position that you're in. Okay. It is the tradition that is clarifying these questions that you have presented and that's why you believe them. Even though me and you are new.

>> I've said I've not said that. I've said there's some verses on the >> I'm still manning bro. I'm steel manning. So I'm presenting it to you from how I understood it. So let me finish for the love of God bro. Likew I'm asking you for and to just let me finish a point without you being so flustered every time I open the concluding point because at this stage you are maybe you're very tired.

>> It's not about being tired. You're being very disrespectful and I understand this kind of >> I'm being disrespectful. Yes. Yes, you are because you keep interrupting me when I'm making a simple point and you are trying to push I understand your position then. >> Yes. But if you screw on it, I will interrupt. >> Steal man your position doesn't mean I have to say it verbatim. >> No, you have to say accurately >> then let me explain it.

>> Sure. >> Sure. So the presentation that you're presenting that there are some verses in the Quran where it can lead for some subjective reasoning that it might be difficult for someone to understand. So we rely on the wisdom and the tradition of those that came before us who explain the Quran that attributed to the prophet Muhammad that solves these issues that you have presented. Correct? >> Or to other scholars the whole tradition of 1400 years.

>> Correct or false? >> Right. No. So you said that. No. So you you said it shorts. I said >> look allow me to allow me to phrase it then because it's my my view isn't it? So the view is that we have a tradition in Islam of 1,400 plus years of scholarship. Now this is invaluable. This begins from the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam himself from his teachings from the sunnah from the hadith.

It comes down through the sal and right through the the whole 1400 years. Now this is invaluable. Now this gives guidance, sheds guidance on certain verses that maybe the understanding may appear challenging to a person that reads these select verses. Yes, of course. Now to negate that to throw that tradition away to me is an entire disservice to Islam.

>> Cool. So what I was trying to present to you is that you have presented situations where you want to rely on any someone else's understanding which they attribute to the prophet for these small select problems that you have presented but the overall of the message of the Quran does not have these issues and even with the things that you have presented the majority of it we were already in agreement before what you presented and I didn't need the hadith nor I needed the tradition to understand that position.

So but quite simply quite simply I would disagree. >> Mhm. >> Yeah you have been >> I disagree. Yeah >> because let's just so today's discussion has shown look some of the conversations we got into especially the application of Islam. We began with salah. A lot of the things you chose were all taught through the tradition you mate >> right that you just include before.