Are psychedelics like DMT haram in Islam?

for people having an inc a proclivity an interest in musical instruments in the city of medina after the prophet's life it was known for that in fact the saying was that it became proverbial that a proverb that do not ask that people that disagreed with it said do not ask madina on music because they will just say it's halal and do not ask about alcohol or the other the nabeed because they will just say it's hala this became a saying so it's interesting you mentioned the

living tradition thing chad man you're doing it you're doing it henna as always you're doing it all right ismael p are you doing huh drop in the p the super chat i have tried dmt and it was amazing welcome welcome to a different caravan

but i'm wondering what the islamic view on psychedelics is and you are open to trying it and your opinion so i'll i'll take this question now because it joins in with the other super chat that was sent by uh handsome hound so both on psychedelics so as far as my personal thing what i'm i'm let me just forget about my personal thing

let me just tell you my general uh teachings on this i say that these things are illegality so obviously keeping the legality in into in mind but in certain parts of the world they are not illegal so i'm speaking not from a legality perspective that people can look in their own you know localities regions parts of the world wherever they are i'm speaking from a religious perspective i am a keen advocate of psychedelics

i feel that as entheogens i refer to them as entheogens things by which one can connect to the divine and discover aspects of the which i feel is consciousness by taking a portal into dimensions that exist but you would never know that they exist and they exist in ways that are more real than this very world that exists in front of us but what i'm saying now just sounds crazy that's all i can say is

[Laughter] you see this it would sound crazy but that's that's like socrates coming back into the cave you see and he tells the people that you know outside the cave there is this world and this is nothing there is a real world there is real light so those of you that ain't familiar i'm sure all of you are familiar with the allegory of the cave but those of you that ain't let me share it with you briefly so plato relates that socrates taught them he said that he gives an allegory this kind of like a

metaphor story metaphorical story he says that there are people that are trapped in this cave they have just lived and died and you know had children and they've just grown up lived and died in this cave they've all they've ever known is this cave and what they do is they are kind of enslaved or whatever they are in prison but they're held up to face this wall and behind them is a large fire but they can't see the fire they can just see that you know they they can see this light

around them and they can see shadows that are casted onto the wall in front of them that are their shadows and the shadows of the flames but also between them and the fire there is like a bridge on which workers are passing by so they're going this side that side and they're carrying objects so these are casting a an illustrious kind of shadow on the wall so

what the people of the cave they become they have their games but they're not games but their world where they become so talented at defining these shadows and they can even predict now they have certain formulas in which they can predict what these what the next object will be and some of them are right and some are better than others and they can say well the next object will be like this and he'll have this thing and he'll have that and what happens is one day one of these men breaks free so they kind of held up pinned to only look forward

so he breaks free when he turns around he sees a fire and he's kind of almost blinded and shocked by this fire because these people don't know that those shadows are coming from a fire that's all they've ever known he then just about escaping gets out of the cage and then is a cave sorry and then is blinded by the sunlight after his eyes acclimate acclimate after they adjust to the sunlight he sees that there's a world outside

and this cave is really that's all it is so he comes back in to tell his fellow companions that there is actually a world outside these shadows don't even have a reality they are not real objects they are shadows being casted by people walking on bridges on the bridge now people mock him and they call him crazy and because his eyes haven't truly adjusted to the dark yet he's no longer good at the game of detecting shadows so socrates

in plato's version is that man who's telling them but anyway see like the allegory of the cave i tell you that i tell you people [Laughter] it's also us right so that this psychedelics is i feel if done well not you see i'm not interested in these things as recreation as kind of oh having fun and it's about them opening up a portal to discovering

reality so i'm a huge advocate of that i don't feel it's haram and yes it does alter certain your states of mind you see to me it's not altering although i understand that's how some people would argue i would feel it's more about opening expanding your reality it's about having this portal so we it's we view things differently put it like that so yeah dmt of course is you know the is the daddy

the spirit molecule cool so and yes some one may argue that oh if that's the case then you know oh if a person was experiencing something then they couldn't praise salah like one could argue i mean firstly i think you could praise a lot to be fair uh but okay on certain things you couldn't i suppose it feels a very lengthy ayahuasca kind of thing but then pray your salah before we'll pray after

you have to pray then [Laughter] yeah but that doesn't make it haram automatically the fact that you um the fact that you can't you can pray your salah i feel but the fact that you don't want to be praying your salah or you're not at an optimum pace to be praying your salah let's say is not the problem that's like getting sleep you know when you're sleeping you can't pray so it's sleeping you know it's a it's ridiculous just because you're doing something which takes a while

uh it doesn't mean that oh now oh if it was salah time at this then going to work oh but i go to work and that let's say some people you know they can't pray at certain times so or anything that is going to prevent a certain time so you just work around that it doesn't make that thing automatically haram just because if it coincides with prayer time it would preclude block let's say prayer time or your capacity to pray or your ability to pray doesn't necessitate that it's a haram thing per se intoxication this is not intoxication

it's not in toxic i disagree that i i mean people can disagree with me but i i won't see this as an intoxication alcohol is a depressant it is not psychedelic alcohol anybody who says that hasn't actually studied psychology they haven't studied the chemicals they've got no idea what they're talking about alcohol is a depressant it is not a stimulant and it is not a psychoactive element psychoactive elements are different they act differently on the brain okay so they are not depressants and they are not um but anyway this isn't a lesson

on cello let's move on right so what is going on are you doing the debating are you doing the debating man we're doing the debating man is this the guy who says you saying you nothing not alcohol is a drug you can't change what's haram period i agree but you show me where it says uh that these things are haram where it says