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What does Shaykh Atabek think of his debate on the Isha time?
esha ishaa salat al-isha isha prayer night prayer muftis 'alim aalim sheikh shaikh sheik shuyukh shaykhsThe guest on his debate over the Isha time: a lecture, not a debate
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machinesummary, machine-writtenThe guest says his much-watched exchange on the Isha time was not a real debate, since his opponent never addressed his proofs.
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Mufti Abu Layth asks the guest's thoughts on a debate he had with another shaykh, which drew wide attention. The guest says it was not a debate but a kind of game: his proofs and statements had been public for two years, yet his first twenty minutes were wasted and none of his points were tackled. He says his opponent spoke about everything but the issue, including Pakistan and a scholar of the subcontinent whom the guest says he never insulted, so he calls it his own lecture interrupted by the other side. He also says that those who collected signatures against him never came to speak to him privately.
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Unfortunately the charger is not there. [laughter] Are you sure? If you can run and get it, she run and get it. But if if it's difficult, it's entirely up to you. Okay. So, um Okay. So, let's let's take I don't know. I mean, uh let's take Do you think you can I mean, if you if you want to get It says It says 15 minutes, but I don't know.
15. Okay. Okay. People, I tell you what, let's take Let's see. It might hang on for about 10 minutes. You never know. And then if it collapses, you know, the sheh is still safe and sound. People, I tell you what, let's take some of your questions. She uh people because of your comments, some of the questions have gone up. You can repost them. I'll I'm going to put them back to the sheh, whilst they're posting the questions, I wanted your thoughts quickly on uh you know, you had a debate with our beloved Sheh Ass.
Uh uh the thoughts because that really kind of blew up as well. This whole uh I wouldn't sh I don't know. Uh did you watch it by yourself? Uh At the time it's I've kind of forgotten it now to be honest but at the time I did watch it. Um I don't know in that case why you are calling it as a debate. It was not a debate. It was some type of like a discussion but it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't discuss because you were presenting your case.
He would it was game you know it was some type of game you know because look um um it was uh very unacceptable you know because my uh proofs and my statements were there for 2 years. Mhm. Okay. But yet they made me to you know waste my first 20 minutes. Okay. And then none of my uh points were um tackled.
But as was speaking about I don't know uh yeah you are talking about our scholar is it shahill or someone yeah it hurts us well your your is not isa time we're talking about I don't know he was talking about everything but not about the issue you know okay so so um I don't know I mean I don't I don't call it um I don't call it as um a debate but I call it I lecture and in between when I was uh just relaxing he was speaking I don't know
about Pakistan maybe about and few other things but and then I would go back and continue my lecture so it was not debate it was my lecture only yeah now that that that's exactly the reason why and also and also um um I don't know did do you know him did he ever study I mean because um in there he didn't even know the difference between you know I taught him that and [laughter] he didn't know the difference between you know okay what did he what did he get wrong on the waj thing no I don't you can just watch it it's still there okay I don't know the person
on this level why he would come to to debate you know [laughter] yeah and also I asked uh the main person I know the main person who was going and collecting signatures you know I I wanted him to home but he never came you know just got the signatures okay on this stupid paper and disappeared okay and this this other person his name is Khalid or whatever and they said we are coming but then Khalid didn't come I know in person you know okay so none of them for example came to me speaking to me privately but oh debate but then when they came he was talking
about Shahul you know and I never insulted Shahal you Shaf scholar good scholar you know average scholar I don't know what is why he would be part of isha time I don't know and and that was a very long it was about four or five hours or something wasn't it the the whole I'm not sure to be honest it it was quite long I remember I from what I recall it was quite long so okay because that became a huge thing people that don't know what that was about this Isha Masah what for the people that don't know what was the underlying issue that you were presenting?
So do you know the places in which we do not have the time of is time of is according to Abu Hanifh uh when uh so after sun um we have this um uh um we have this redness we call it shaf after redness we have whiteness. Mhm. Okay. Oh it is closing now. So this after whiteness disappearing isha time comes.
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