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Did Mufti Abu Layth call a Birmingham school the Trojan Horse school?

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The 'Trojan Horse school' quote: a question aimed at the police, not the school

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Mufti Abu Layth says the quote was aimed at the police, not the school: he was asking why counter-terrorism officers shared confidential data about him with a school they themselves were calling a Trojan Horse school. He was not validating the allegations but questioning the officers' sincerity.

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Finishing the previous point, Mufti Abu Layth says Prevent needs to be reviewed but Muslims must stay engaged in correcting ideologies. He then addresses reports that, around the time of his trial, he was quoted calling a local school he used to work at the Trojan Horse school, and whether he was validating the Trojan Horse allegations. He says that misrepresents him: his statement was aimed at the police and the authorities, not the school. It made no sense to him that counter-terrorism officers, while the authorities and the media painted the school as one of potential extremism, the police having looked into it without proceeding, were at the same time colluding with the school, sharing confidential data about him, his whereabouts and his activities at the request of certain people within it, which contributed to his imprisonment. He found this a shocking disregard for data protection and confidentiality, and asked how the same authorities who pointed a finger at the school could work with it to point fingers at him. He says he was not sensationalising the Trojan Horse matter but questioning the sincerity of the local counter-terrorism officers, especially certain inspectors, and asking why they were after him.

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You have been quoted in the papers as labelling a particular school the 'Trojan Horse school'. Could you shed more light on this?

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20:37

disagree categorically that these are Nots these are not false gods but I do accept that there are negative elements that are within these strategies and within these programs that unfortunately for some reason um contrary to their objectives are working against the Muslim Community and I mean they're working against sometimes Muslims I myself have been a victim of that as well so I do feel that look that that is true and so I would accept that and I would also say that this whole thing needs to be reviewed but Muslims themselves do need to remain engaged in

21:14

uh questioning IDE in in in viewing uh correct and what would be incorrect ideologies and setting people straight so I've been asked or some questions have been raised that during my this trial or the events surrounding my trial before that um or just somewhat a short time before that that I had been quoted to be referring to uh a local school which everybody's aware of that I used to work at as um the Trojan Horse

21:51

school that was this me making allegations of the Trojan Horse scandal or the troj horse matter to be valid was I validating it I mean I feel that that's uh misrepresenting what I said um the quotes are there people can see my my statement wasn't aimed at the school my statement was aimed at the police and the authorities that what I was saying is that it doesn't make any sense to me that members of and offices of the counter terrorism are colluding

22:31

with this school sharing data about me sharing my whereabouts what I've been doing uh sharing like certain like activities I've been involved in with the school working with them to lead up to um you know all sorts of trouble for me which I mean part of which was my imprisonment and part of which was other things like it didn't make any sense to me so I raised the question that look the counterterrorism they are St because and the authorities were stating that this school is a trojan horse school this was the that the me the same school that the media had hyped up that this was a school of

23:10

potential extremism it was a school of potential I mean I'm not saying it was but I'm saying this is what the picture the picture was that had been painted at the time in the media and the authorities uh some the police even did look into an investigation although they they found no reason to proceed but but they did look into it at a point so how can it be that you have a school like this um W which is being hyped up but yet we're finding that the counterterrorism themselves are sharing data and they're sharing all sorts of uh

23:48

information about me which is really I mean it's confidential I mean you can't just be releasing with no in in what is not a police matter and just trying to share it with at the request of certain members within the school that they were sharing this and and this was coming back and forth quite freely uh quite a bit of information was being shared about me so I I found it you know absolutely shocking to see that there was no um you know there's no respect for data protection or for confidentiality or nothing and yet put even all of that aside cast that aside the authorities themselves are seem to be with the media especially the

24:27

counterterrorism in point a finger at this school but yet when it came to me they were prepared to kind of they were working with them in just trying to kind of Point some fingers at me so I didn't so my statement when I made a statement was actually aimed at the authorities I wasn't actually aiming something at the school I was saying that how can the authorities be doing this I don't understand that this the counterterrorism why are they working against me like I don't understand what they were what are they trying to achieve or I mean I understand what they're trying to achieve they're trying to get me into trouble but what what has led what is the drive behind this that's why what I was asking

25:04

so the question wasn't aimed at uh the school I mean I I that's uh and I wasn't in any way trying to validate that and the incident the article obviously clarifies I wasn't speaking about this I was just saying that the so-called Trojan Horse you actually you're not even just sharing you know confidential or restricted data about me and my whereabout and all this stuff to just anybody you're actually sharing it to people who you yourself are making all these allegations about so it I mean so what I mean so we just really beged the question that why are you after me so to that extent I mean what seems to be going on so that

25:43

was really um that angle I I know some people had asked that question so I mean it's good to just clarify that that I'm not kind of trying to sensationalize the hype on something I was more just questioning the sincerity of the local counterterrorism and uh some inspectors especially that were were involved right okay this it's an interesting question because I think um some people have asked that uh that some journalists who may be islamophobic or not you know they've come out and they've said certain things I don't

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Mufti Abu Layth. (2015, April 6). Did Mufti Abu Layth call a Birmingham school the Trojan Horse school? [Video, segment 2015-04-06-S06, auto-transcribed, may contain errors]. Mufti Abu Layth Archive. Retrieved November 1, 2026, from https://muftiabulayth.org/r/vzrrlx3livk/s/6/
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  urldate = {2026-11-01},
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