Yasir Qadhi's reply to Jay Smith & ultracrepidarian | Mufti Abu Layth

so right let's move on to what uh our beloved i think we have to move on to the massage the the kind of masala segment if we like it's a bit of an explanation but yep so all right people arrive so the

the entertaining masala flavor and ingredient for this week is back alright one of the yakidites which is uh although on this we don't know what yakina has to say but yes alcadi so what's happened is yasser khadi as you may be familiar made another video and

it was a reply to j smith david wood and uh dan bro i'm gonna get his name wrong but it'll come up but a few people who have been really going yasar khadi for the holes in the narrative um so here's a very brief clip

i think okay it says no okay well here it is so today is going to be a very uh atypical personal library chat uh for in case some of you are totally unaware uh there has been a a massive controversy raging over my head regarding an interview that was done a number of months ago about the quran and i used a phrase there there are holes in the the standard narrative that has been misused and abused by a number of christian missionaries i have no choice but to

stoop to their level and to expose how utterly unqualified these people are just to demonstrate why it is an utter waste of someone like myself's time who i consider inshallah and my reputation is known to all of you i consider myself to be an academic i consider myself to be somebody who researches everything that i say and willing to engage and dialogue and debate and defend and take and admit if i was wrong so every province these are just some snippets i've only put in here not the whole talk he's talking about the province this is j smith he's making some errors so yeah all the highlights damascus jerusalem

alexandria cairo parat and there's the word i was looking for nishapur successful in egypt but before that i forgot i forgot one thing when they did this in cairo when they uh al-hadad muhammad al-hada did this in cairo they took all the other qurans that were different yeah than huffs they took it out into a boat and they sang them in the nile oh you've heard this before you know i looked at a number of their references generally speaking a lot of their quotations a lot of their material is coming from a particular person by the name of david brubacher and again i don't have anything personal against

this individual he takes the lam ha and he does not understand that it's thirty plus five laps verse number 35 and god couldn't you have just looked up yusuf ali or marmaduke pictol i mean see if you don't even know your imra from your raju man from your man from your woman in any language then i don't know what to say and crepidarian is a person who not only speaks outside of his area of speaks way out of his league but he also

feels the need to announce to the world that he is an utter idiot this is the word that comes to mind when i'm dealing with these people ultra crepitarian memorize it start using this word and popularize it again because that is exactly what these preachers are ultra crepitarians they are not only still one of them the one that has become dominant the one that is now you know mainstream this is what i called the standard narrative but in reality there are many standard narratives even what i'm holding is a standard narrative it's just not the one that is most common in our times and so i am

again what i don't want to go there's no need to go into diesels in the video and i'm more than happy to discuss with and these idiots and ignoramuses and that is why i have to make this video the problem with these critics is that they think they have unearthed something absolutely absolutely new that no one before them has ever understood they exactly i mean american and british english right uh what's what's a few words that the americans and the brits pronounce differently i mean what if an american says can you bring me a glass can you bring me a glass of water can you bring okay let me put in garage because that's definitely always an important uh can you bring a glass of water to the garage okay if an american says that a brit says it how is he gonna say it

right uh i'm gonna try my fake british accent here can you bring a glass of water to the garage right they speak in a higher level into the garage you know there's differences right glass of water to the garage right there's a difference there is anybody going to say that these are two different versions i mean how foolish is this but this is what the equivalent of what they're doing now again to be fair obviously there are more differences uh than pronunciation and there's sometimes differences and not but again these are all differences that are well known well accommodated they at whichever understanding of the follow and there's over 40

whichever one you follow all of these differences are explained in a very very rational manner that fits in with everything else oh rather can you bring a glass of water to the garage please oh rather

i don't know why he put that uh what is it that kind of cockney her water water we do know what a t sounds like but yeah so right so yes right as you can see ultra crepitarians rather right so what's happened let me fill you in

he's come back he's decided to strike back against jay smith and co and what he's saying is you guys have been for months using my name uh you can watch the whole video i just took some snippets there it's on youtube he's saying you're using my name you should stop using it you guys i you know you're misusing my holes in the narrative because that's what he said yeah

you know he was with muhammad hijab it don't press me yeah mom right so right so what do i think about this so first of all i feel that look as far as let's discuss jay and cole first i do agree with what yeah i could with yes below it i do agree with him that jay smith is not uh clued up at all re i mean he obviously knows a certain amount of things but he's nothing

as special when it comes to an islamic understanding i don't think he's he's saying he's not an academic i i'm not surprised he showed a lecture he shows snippets from a lecture where j smith is making terrible blunders about quran preservation that's certainly true jay smith often just summarizes points from other academics he himself is um you know he's not talented like that and i've spoken about him in the past he will jump on all kinds of things he won't listen to what those same academics are

saying so sometimes i believe it's that same lecture or it's one way he's presenting similar slides he will say things like muhammad never even existed anybody nobody can prove he ever existed and no person has ever said and then in the same lecture he will quote patricia crone yet patricia crone is the same person that will say you know it's beyond a shadow of doubt to her and to other academics that muhammad did exist as a person i mean you could debate whether he was a prophet you could debate whether he was good or bad from a muslim non-muslim perspective but to

debate whether he existed or was he just a a ghost a fantasy that people invented the evidence is too well stacked against that so it clearly shows that either he's unaware of what those academics are writing or he is aware but doesn't care and he's just about provoking and sensationalism and drama and i think pretty much he's like that he to me is just a fanatic christian dawa boy that's what he's like so you know when you get people on the muslim scene

who just preach preach preach uh quote one two scholars like sometimes you know people will send me clips of alidawah other people now these people are not scholars and they say all kinds of stuff and it's all about sensationalism he is the exact same thing but anti-islam and christian that's what you know he is not somebody that is himself well read he will just summarize some points he's heard of so right now he'll speak about the five stages of the canonization of the quran and he will quote that you know there was the first stage with uthman second stage with ibn mujahid

the third stage he'll he'll quote uh um adani about dhani he'll say the fifth stage of jesus and then uh sorry the fourth stage just reach out to be the fifth stage he'll speak about in the late ottoman era just post ottoman era sorry 19 24 to 1930s now this to a somebody like a layman will seem like wow this guy is so intelligent he knows so much but in all honesty all he's doing you know there's doctor shadi who is a professor from harvard

who's written several books and has some lectures he's just heard that summary lecture of dr shady nassar not shaddil masri shadi who is a respectable professor of religious studies and and his thesis was on the quran so he speaks about these five stages he's just quoting that you know those two sentences from him but it sounds so overwhelming that if you hear it you think bloody hell this guy must know so much and it's interesting he quotes amra dhani he says about

uh the two uh rawi kanan but really even though adani's name is given but really was ibn khalboon so so the point anyway just goes to show yasir khadi is right that he is not clued up david wood similarly is uh is a very similar it's on the same level as um as jay smith you're not going to really get much difference dan brubacher okay i haven't looked that much into but he shows some crazy blunders done by him which are laughable very laughable i have to admit so on all

of these points i think yasir hadi has a clear point not clear point he is on point that these people are not clued up and they are kind of uh clout chasing um you know they're kind of riding the hype they're riding the wave that is true and they are kind of fanatic preachers uh fundamentalists in their own way they kind uh these uh eve if you know in their own way they are the kind of taliban brigade of christendom but most christians

wouldn't probably agree with their way of doing things so that all is fine and i agree with that however as to this i don't know what to call it really this tragedy or this crisis that has given birth to this whole thing of holes in the narrative [Laughter] you know the ummah was well on its way

it was reasonably fine and yes he's done a quite a decent hole here so this holds in the narrative the truth is that yasar khadi has landed himself in it and he's landed himself deep you know this hole it goes deep so the problem is he's never offered a response or any clarity at the time he did a pathetic job of trying to say well come on my course

and buy my course and i'll explain what i'm doing it's like so that made zero sense and it's you know it is what it is you know he made that bed and he now has to lie in it this he won't unfortunately be able to to kind of outrun this this controversy and it's only expected that people like jay smith who i agree with him are not you know necessarily so academic and things like

this but i think it's only expected that they will ride this wave and chase him till his last breath probably on this holes in the narrative because they know he's not going to be able to come with anything to answer it so in this clip as well we yes said look i'm going to lay this matter to rest now this is my smackdown uh they are the bloody hell i've forgotten the word already what's the um [Laughter]

bloody hell i've forgotten the what's the beloved word he told us [Laughter] anyway somebody type it in here right so this uh you know trying to say well these people are just so ignorant and blah blah blah and when it came to giving that's it ultra crepitarian rather ultra crepitarian and he wants the muslims to popularize this word

has he spoken to regular muslims they're like what's up kazi brownie yummy you know the ultracrypterium bro winnie he wants them to add this word to it i said anikazee i said ultracrypterion

people will be like what is that some is that like a dinosaur [Laughter] ah this word when i heard him saying i want muslims to popularize this word i realized that has clearly just for the most part of his life just lived in a library [Laughter] ah you gotta give it

a small d all [Music] so yeah so i think shaykh assad should have honestly given some explanation now i do respect him for saying look i hold a different view but he didn't clarify exactly what his view was he then went on to say there's 40 different views and i accept there's loads of views i accept and i'm glad he

is at least raising awareness on that but he's not really he ought to just try and lay this matter to rest or come out with and explain to people at least what he believes to help them to to kind of because he's he made this video and said i won't be discussing this again and you think you haven't even explained anything you just said yeah there's 40 views yard i'm not with that view i'm with the other view the british rather the garage bring bring a bottle of water to the garage anything

this is like why doesn't he answer the question i mean i don't get what the like say something for god's sake since this is your last smackdown at least share some view don't just say yeah you know war water water water i mean come on there's more to it than that so so i'm disappointed by him once again evading the question so yeah some people had asked me that mufti you know about this nature of the quran issue i have explained it before i have got a little video i did have some notes some very brief kind of written notes i shared with

some people so i thought look i'll share them here i'll share them here and just to you know if they're of any help so right now because according to me um and i this is why i'm grateful he has highlighted some diversity look it is true there is diversity in this how muslims understood revelation to me the quran has always been dynamic there is a dynamism to the nature of the quran and there are layers to this i will briefly give an overview so some people may at

least find some clarity if they choose to disagree with me that's fine there are plenty of other interpretations they can take in my understanding the scholars have never said that traditionally that the quran vowel for vowel is exactly forever static they've never said that as a whole they've addressed the quran but this thing of saying every single vowel this is a very recent 19th century 20th century phenomenon so here are some notes when i've discussed this previously with

some friends and students i've highlighted that there's different layers in which we can take this there's the ontology stage or the essence stage that the revelation in its very essence where it's a divine message which the asha ira referred to in their books as al-kalam al-azli that this is just a meaning it's not language it's not words there's the second stage and i break it down into seven stages but you could break it into how many you like really the revelation stage this is where is expressed and it's the word used for it is this is what the ashadis and the

theologians use and this is the quran arabic stage this is when it manifests in this world it manifests in the arabic language now they do disagree um now i do highlight there that look uh that this realm is it does restrict things so already there's some restriction i quote the great maliki legend there the early uh jurist and theologian barcelona who

says it reflects and is an expression of the divine message but the quran arabi belongs to this world not um that world so there is a difference now bajuri uh you can and i have discussed this in a bit more i think with the dr mahdi sergey we go over this in one of the mind traps so it's always worth uh checking that up as well i do explain here in this in this stage

the second stage there is a question that where is the arabic coming from the quran if it's been created the uh the asha era use the word mahdith they tend to avoid the word mahluk because of the controversy that went before them so they used the word mustard brought into existence as uh and the asha era claimed that the kalamu love thee is mahdith but the kalamu azli isn't nafsi that kalam which was not arabic which was not words that which was with god is divine and transcendent but what was in this world

is obviously of this world they then disagree between themselves at what stage did it become created some say in the lower some say in the sky some say in the ears some say in the mind of jibreel some say in the mind of the prophet i find myself in line with that latter that is in the mind of the prophet that it appears it is revealed to him so i don't believe the prophet is inventing it it is revealed to the prophet in his mind and it is an arabic quran that it comes and this would be the second stage the third stage would be the dynamic interaction stage this is the sub meaning the many

uh the multi-form um that it takes or the dynamism is expressed so this this life that it has to it that rulings are revealed there there are changes being made abrogations the sahaba are allowed to substitute words and synonymize them highlights that imam malik and shafa he were of that view that the sahaba could do that whatever made it easy for them they could replace these words and this was called the sabbath according to them this dynamism in my understanding was the default

nature of the quran it was not a just a dispensation it was not a roxa it was the azima okay if that makes sense to you [Music] then there is the embodiment stage now i've used the term embodiment because it's being now placed in a written body okay it moves from the four it moves from an oral to a textual tradition i have a mind trap elaborating on this with dr khalil and he's definitely worth checking out where we speak about this the challenges of something going from an oral to a written

um phase now this and the verse of the quran we say the book we reveal the scripture you make it into pages that is a verse of the quran and although there are some examples of this from the prophet's life though people are trying to write it down uh on whether it's gonna be parchments and things but really it happens after the prophet's life it happens during arguably abu bakr's time definitely by earth man's time but

this this whole thing even before the uthmani thing this writing it down has many challenges with it what some of these challenges are just in case you're wondering well first of all it was to do with what script should be used okay because uh because that's an important point what script so the nabatean script was chosen now this was something which at the time you've got was called al jazeem they would call it as opposed to the hemiari musnad script that was being chosen uh that some that the arabians used to write with so this was a more northern kingdom

script it was used in modern-day iraq it was from the nabataeans inherited by the other cultures that came after them especially in hera we know abu sufyan he imports the script through bishop and abdul malik this is why uh muawiyah radhilan was one of the first people to write the script and this is why the the prophet said to the captives in the battle of badr that if they teach the yathrib people the medinan people how to write a number of people they can buy their freedom with it because the script

this script was imported into makkah from hera so the prophet making this decision to let's use this script this script in and of itself would not have been a sacred script it was the decision that the prophet saw al-islam uh adopted as which one could then posit is part of the divine plan but this script was a very worldly script it was imported into makkah and then into medina and it naturally had its challenges so there's all of that which you have to look at um

so things like that as well so just to be clear there was uh let me just see if i missed any notes right there and this would have been the end of the pure oral expression era um i know sorry the yeah i was just seeing right that's fine then there's the fifth stage the constriction or reductionist stage i mean it's a reductionist stage but i've called it constriction and that is the rasmul ethmani in his

time uthman radiolog definitely puts together this uh codex this whole this consonantal restriction where he has certain you can't really he's trying to create some um unity amongst people wishing to recite now what the challenges that brings it traps the expression within the these continental barriers of that script which is that from hera the jesus script the nabatean script and it is the

end of the dynamic era because now once the words are trapped people can no longer substitute them okay so that has definitely come to an end i will just and you move on to the deciphering stage which is after that where several quran emerged because now although the consonantal template is the how to read it but the vowels people are still you know some people may be doing their own hd heart some people may be assuming some people so there is a lot of attempts in how should it be

best pronounced what are the inflections the endings how should they be what are the vowelings the diacritical marks is this a fur or a cough it's so the best example is like an english text message language even though it's quite straightforward sometimes you could be you know you could understand that what do they mean here if somebody was to say uh you know t h z um or ths is this these is this those like that there's a disagreement so similarly i'm just trying to give an

approximation here so a lot of are emerging there's grammatical is expanding um and it's having a a mutual impact it's impacting grammar grammar is impacting it and then there's the globalization stage in which construct constricting the embodiment so we know we already have this temp this kind of template the structure of the uthmani rasam now it's constricting it further so this has several waves to it i highlight that that is the ibn mujahid of era where he kind of chooses the seven qura only

but remember from each quran from each ari many people are transmitting it differently and you have the ibn boon uh adani it's really not ibn aderni but still i mean people have put dany in there as well the two rawi cannon that look each ari should have at least two what from him um jersey sorry shatabhi restricting it to the seven collecting these who these rawies are from them al jazeera accommodating a few more i gave the example of iso uh isoto isotopes last time

where i mentioned that look the way you have certain elements that will have certain isotopes to them now it's just the way things are that reality pans out that some elements will always be more stable and these isotopes some of them will always just be very unstable as an analogy some of these in society is a social experiment some will always preponderate okay and that's exactly what happens

naturally over time you will find a particular one for one reason or another dominating the scene and this is a quasi-end of the variation era the variant era because it's now become kind of trapped within certain readings that are then imprinted so you can't really move about and these are so these were my my notes that i shared with some people so i hope that shed some light that look in my understanding there was a dynamism that was there in the prophet's time over the stages it got restricted

we today would not be allowed because of the way we've received the tradition it is static as it's come to us but really if we were in the prophet's time it would have still had that dynamism it's just today not just today for for the most part of islam it's been then restricted okay so that has kind of left us because we don't have access to it so as to just do it today um we have had you know over for the most part really going back to uthman's time we've had this disconnect

so we you know we would not uh be allowed it would not be correct to have any play with that today although in essence the quran was dynamic so it allowed for people to to to substitute words for their ease when it was being revealed and when it was being read during the prophet's time that was the understanding of imam malik of imam shafi'i as ibn abdullah explains in although it's unclear whether imam malik believed that the them substituting words

was the default ruling or was that just a rosa just me an exception for them a rosa a dispensation to make life easy for them so they may have felt the latter i feel the former that it is by default the the the azima the ruling for people i hope that shed some light on the nature of the quran and the reason i explain that is because yes said well he's not going to explain it and it's him who's really opened this kind of worms so he really ought to do some explanation

okay cool i hope