Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth #176 *Q&A Unscripted & Unrestricted!* 🤣

All right, people.

People always sound fixed.

All right, the sound should be okay. I'm just doing a sound check. I realized for some reason I'd set it up. I [snorts] had so many tech issues today, but I realized that actually it was live streaming on YouTube for a couple of minutes. I'm going to have to get that edited. [laughter] That must have been my little one having pressed go live [laughter] when I hadn't quite pressed it. So, let me just do a a sound check.

make sure no is uh a from Houston peoples. Peoples. Well, first of all, if the sound is coming through fine, let me just uh bring that up on the All right, there's no point doing that. Can't really see much there. All right. So, yep. I'll just check with the YouTube Mente as well that they can hear everything fine.

Is that the comments? Uh yes, that's the comments. Okay. Now these two my two little superstars who uh causing so much trouble [laughter] telling me I'm going to get a tapar that's what right clear you're doing it you're doing it go on then zoo salamo a [laughter] quickly and then off you go on then I have to this is the ritual you see they're waiting for me to fix this so they can say hi to everyone what is your drink.

My poison is right there people. First one, first contender right here. [laughter] Machan. All right. Okay. Say assalamu alaykum. And then it's [snorts] way beyond your bedtime, major. Exactly. Exactly. So this is the problem with these. I need to start going old school and you know like look at theum.

Hi. Hi Sharif. [laughter] H very good. It's time for your bedtime. Okay, [laughter] if you're Look at all these people are saying, "What on earth is this young What is this cute baby doing awake at this time?" Why you doing awake? That's the [laughter] question. Chill.

Go on. Grab that. That's the question. Why you doing? That's the question. All right. Right. So God. Whoa. What is going on? Mente. Right. Let me just fix this.

So peoples. God. So what's going down? What's going down? Made [snorts] some notes of to make sure not to forget certain things. Well, have I brought the wrong book? [laughter] Uh, you're joking.

That is the [laughter] I'm thinking I'm sure I made Oh, here they are. I'm going to need to hire a full-time secretary here. [laughter] So, what is going on? What are your thoughts? Mufty opening. Feroculus. You're doing it. You're doing it. Evil eye. Well, it's a good thing I don't believe in the evil eye. So, what is going on?

As always, I suppose we should begin bless the ceremony with some poetry. Let me bring forward my ch. Let me [snorts] get this. Let's use the today as it [laughter] right. There you go. And those of you asking right so peoples peoples I brought you.

I don't know if some [snorts] of you are now um you know you're into the whole udu uh poetry. somebody [laughter] you naughty naughty bas you're doing it you're doing it right so um for poetry I've got you today if I can Yep it's right here and you somebody I've not really shared uh much of her work a female poet or the poet rather somebody absolutely amazing people The

where where is it? Where is it? Right here. Yep. People, I present this is Yasra Rizby. Check it out. Absolutely epic. She is First,

[snorts] Wow. Wow.

Wow. V people absolutely enamored by her by her poetry by her her concepts.

An amazing uh poet. You can check her out on YouTube. Peoples, what is going down? Mente Eid Mubarak. Eid Moubarak a belated uh amazing Eid Moubarak to all of you. [snorts] You know this um oh somebody said vava I've got for that allow me people [laughter]

la. [laughter] So right what is going down? Eid has passed us by. A rather different feel to this year's Eid. I did see this and I thought, well, let me uh share this people. What do you think of this? My Kurbani. [laughter] You see, you turn up for your Kurbani and you end up with the vegan.

[laughter] Oh, that's sorry. Yeah, I almost brought us into the masala segment. [laughter] [gasps] I was meant to [gasps] Right.

So people, but what do you think of this though? Vegan Kurbani. So a parcel of food is delivered um on a person's behalf and they offer a vegan kurbani. Uh [snorts] you know I feel that uh is Hak Subi and Phillip you're doing it with the super chat.

Much love. I will get to your questions in just a moment. Um just speaking about this for a moment. Orbani. Um, now I've seen a bit of some hoo-ha on um, social media. Uh, I think some Americans saying, "What the hell? You know, in Mecca, they slaughter all these animals and blah blah blah." And to be honest, I feel that look, you know, they're not in no position to speak, right?

Everybody knows the steak industry, the American beef industry is is of, you know, it's of uh cataclysmic proportions. Uh so it's nothing to do. So I I find that just so ironic, people making an issue about the Muslims when their own countries are out of control on these things.

But as Muslims ourselves introspecting, I feel we should introspect. We should look into um our own kind of societies and what we're doing and what are the thoughts and kurbani is a point. So there was a time where I feel that look cuz clearly when it comes to kurbani when it comes to the in Arabic the or the which is and in udu or commonly sometimes people call it kurbani it's also kurbani is also an Arabic word for

the kind of sacrifice. Now we know it's not the meat that reaches god. Okay, it clearly doesn't. So, [snorts] it's the Allah says that it is the tawa that reaches Allah. And we know that the prophet sallallah.aii wasallam as he began uh he later on restrain not restrained but brought it in.

Um teaching us that eventually that one person could sacrifice. The prophet in a hadith he sacrificed on behalf of himself, his family, uh his near and dear and then uh in certain reayat on behalf of the ummah. Now I feel that and even if there is some calam in the chain but I feel taking this teaching forward with us that in this day and age the Maliki meth would allow a person anyway the school of Medina for in on on behalf of their entire household as in no matter how many people are in that household I

would say this needs to go up several notches because it's symbolic and maybe in this day and age the the thei could be you know one for an entire kind of village if you like um or an entire even you know locality has just one offering I feel that there's uh and what they could do is

now that's not going to cost so much to obviously get one [laughter] animal for an entire village or an entire uh you know locality. But what I would say is that then they could spend the equivalent that they were to spend on the poor. Okay? They could gift that uh to the poor, whoever the poor are. And I feel that that is the the way forward for um you know for things like cuz I don't think everybody really needs

to still be sacrificing. I don't know. That's my thoughts. I think that you know that [laughter] I don't want to say [gasps] uh [laughter] then I'll be stuck.

I'll be in the woods of uh [laughter] [laughter] [laughter] Ah, right. So, what is going down? I don't know what your thoughts are on on that.

[snorts] Uh, so yeah. All right. You're doing it, people. you're doing it. He also says the word. All right. So, right, let's go to some of these questions that have been thrown up. We're going to take a look at um uh in the masala segment at our one of our beloveds beloved Baba Farid Farid Gangelli.

[laughter] Oh, there's been the farid leaks, you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes leak, you know, this one happen, you know, sometimes it's like oh, sorry, it's leak. [laughter] We're going to have to take a look at that later on, but that's uh I'll just that is uh [laughter] nutty nutty.

We'll come to that. But let's take a look at some questions. I did want to go through a bit of a serious discussion on the blasphemy murders in Peshawar. Um in addition to that um I wanted to right right so I wanted to I've been taking a look at this um [snorts] this Netflix series called arrange no called Indian matchmaking rather [laughter]

so that's something uh we'll discuss a little as well. So let's take a look at some of these questions that are preoccupying the precious thoughts of manka. [laughter] Allah, Allah, Allah, Allah, shut up.

Do not sit on the table with the alcohol. You know this. [laughter] Allah Allah Allah Allah Allah Allah So what is this?

Um you see look I've explained this in much detail before [snorts] there is no sin in sitting at a table with is alcohol. But this hadith uh if true is part of a series a systematized approach to distance people from alcohol. So it begins by saying well you know if you're um if you're drunk then don't pray or if you're like this then don't do this.

And it there's a a a an incremental um development towards the prohibition of kamar [laughter] [laughter] an incremental developed approach. [laughter] So we can see that the there's several things mentioned about alcohol being maybe being perceived to be something very

dirty and uh nudgeous almost and these this perception appears to distance the public from it and amongst that the prophet saying look such and such is cursed and such and such is cursed and uh don't even sit at the table and then the person who's serving it is cursed and the person who's buying it is cursed. And these things are like religious rhetoric to just create a distance between the people and the alcohol and it's made haram.

So that's all it was. I would say that once that generation had settled, the ruling was stabilized anyway. So, it's not that sitting at a table with alcohol is haram because if that's the case, then you wouldn't be allowed to marry Christians. As Imam Malik said that, well, if you marry uh when he was asked about marrying the Christian lady, he said, well, you know, you have no right to then stop her from bringing alcohol in the home or in consuming pork.

And in fact, you'd have to pay for it. You know, you would because you're paying for her to take care of her. So she eats pork and drinks wine and that comes part of the parcel. So a lot of people don't realize these things but it's actually in our fick books. Even Imam Ahmed Hul said a very similar thing. U all right Sansari just subscribed.

You're doing it. You're doing it. Um right. So I hope that makes much sense. Uh, somebody saying I don't know what that's in reference to, right? Let's see. Allah Allah Allah who what's going down?

Let's Okay, we've answered that question. Phillip says, "Will Mui do a talk or a video about the Zadi and the Ibadi sect?" [snorts] Sure. I mean, not uh [laughter] it's not like it's against my religion to talk about them. [laughter] I will I just feel that uh to do something.

Let me you know the ibadis I don't I need to develop my learning more on them. So let me it's actually been an area of interest for me recently um with so with certain matters of faith as the triangulation method to arrive at reasonable certainty.

[laughter] So part of um in early Islam we know certain things to be true based on this approach. I feel that um things like um the Makkah question. How do we know that Abd Malik Marwan did not change the Kaa as the some Islam revisionists claim?

So they claim Islam was sorry not Islam the prophet was in Petra [snorts] and the uh you know the Omeaya dynasty changed you know arguably Abdul Malik or maybe his son Wed they changed the uh the the place of the center of Islam to al hij and to Makkah because they had some relatives there and things like this.

Now you see with this the reason you know uh this cannot be true and I've got a very detailed video answering uh Dan Gibson's and I feel Dan Gibson and these people have done a very good job to be honest because it is look it is their job to bring the toughest questions and I won't lie I thought it was a very tough question looking at the evidences is looking at the massagid, the early kiblas, the you know uh Dan Gibson brings I think is it 60 something early

massaged foundations pointing more towards Petra uh than they are towards Mecca and showing a systematic you know an overall which rises above the probability factor and and then I've provided a response in addition to why do some of the early Muslim sources refer to the cabba as the shami um so thea from sham so even in I believe it's in Bkari as well but it's in other books I do quote it where they say which is Makkah they but why are they referring to it as that then and this

supports it seems to at face value extend support to what Dan Gibson and these people are saying so so yours truly has answered these questions [laughter] even though they they may have been perceived as unanswerable but unanswerable for others but

I I've answered them so you can check it out. I give my response in much detail about I go into the role of Jose uh you know one of the ancestors of the prophet in this and the biographical account tying in all of this and why potentially some of these masids may have been pointing to Petra. So that's a uh very detailed kind of response.

I mean I'm wouldn't do it justice here but briefly I explain how um foundations of place of worship are often built upon other foundations and how old world sites are aligned with constellations and things like this and it's easy for certain or it's easier for certain people to navigate in light of those constellations and the Nabotian were a uh a commas empire uh a merkantile empire by an empire of commerce and business and they had roots as far as China.

Um, so I I go into much more detail the explaining how it's very likely because they were Arab u [clears throat] they were Arab in the sense that they were off that same kind of genetic makeup. But I don't think they necessarily identified as this Arab identity is quite loose pre-Islam. It's very like it's there, but how much of a bond do they feel they have with other people?

It's not so clear. Maybe they didn't have as much of a bond as later Arabs forged a bond. Especially through Islam and through these things, the bond became much stronger uh and an identity was shaped. So the early Arabs, even though they were Arabs, they may not have identified as they may have identified just as Byzantines or as the Nabotians as Nabotans. Um, you know, some of the others may be more with the Sassinids, but even though they were Arab ethnically or or similarish to Arabs, whatever that means.

So yeah, so I explained that there, but you can check it out. But one of the methods to support that was this triangulation method of how could it be that the Sunni, the Shia and the Ibadi or the who are today the Ibadis would agree on the like they would never have agreed like they you know cannot tolerate each other. Um so they would never have co-conspired to arrive at the original Kaa.

They would have exposed each other definitely and this is actually a very powerful message uh a method to identify certain things in early Islam. Cool. Hope that makes some sense. What's going down? Yara, your channel on YouTube is still waiting but caught you here. Is it still waiting?

Is my is the YouTube still not don't say don't say that don't say that let me check no it's live it's live aaa aa aacha harm [laughter] [cough] [laughter and clears throat] H got to be careful when coughing.

People think you got corona virus [laughter] even though that I've long had. So what is going down? Mente [laughter] statements are easy to make but backing it up is a different matter. H I don't know.

Well, yeah, I agree. But it depends whether you're saying that to me or to [laughter] if you're saying to me, uh, I think these things can be backed up and I have kind of backed up a certain amount and I'm sure more research is required in doing it with the super chat. It says you read a cult booksharif.

Nope. [clears throat] Haven't read Shamsarif. I don't know what that's about. I can check it out. [laughter] There was uh [snorts] I did uh have something here of some of the dons um of udu poetry.

tree. This people, this is a famous couplet of uh Allah Allah Allah root. [laughter]

He says, "You see, you going away like this is just going to take my it's going to just tear my heart, rip the life out of me. If th if if this was how you wanted to come, it was better that you didn't come. [laughter] This this uh can be this can be fitted in a number of scenarios.

[laughter] [clears throat] You know there's [clears throat] [laughter] [gasps] [laughter] [gasps] After murdering me, they ask people, "Who did this by the way?

Who's responsible? [laughter] Hi dar he says that we will be loyal we will see it till the end we will listen be subservient says do you have any recollection who may have uttered these words [laughter]

[clears throat] He says that they say to each and all that has turned out to be unloyal. Why don't you ask them here? You see the word hulam means like servant. But here what he's saying really is why don't you ask them who's responsible in that way for making him like that?

[snorts] Right. But this I this is an interesting book by the way if you're into um u poetry. Um he Yeah, it's a very um [snorts]

it's got it's called Oldest Gold. Um it's about great poets, 11 I think it's put together 11. I haven't been through them all, but it's just like the the the dons of udu poetry. It's kind of brought them together. But yeah, [snorts] let's put that over there. What is going down people? Can nothing create something?

Woof. Albert Einstein. [clears throat] Can nothing create something? But God is something, so he created something. Hi. Hi. Hi. Did I just answer the greatest some of the greatest questions? Did I just ANSWER [laughter] [laughter] did I just answer some of the greatest most difficult profound question uh in history?

Did I just do that people right here on Monday nights with MUI vah va right? What are your It's my usual opening line. clear as you know I wasn't late mi mucha macho was late to go on air much macho [laughter]

h speaking about that we're going to come to that about the thing how can how can [snorts] own. Huh? I think Tajim Mustafa wants to join Minecraft. [laughter] Does he? Okay. Message me. Let's see.

Let's see. I think the super chat disappeared. I did one and it's gone. Arthur, is that the case? Did I not answer it? Let me see. Are you Are you trying to black it? [laughter] Was Aisha a feminist? Was Aisha a feminist?

You see, I'm not so sure what that means. [snorts] Uh, Ismael says, "Musty, I contacted you on Insta. Did you know? Did I block you?" [laughter] I'm joking. Oh. [laughter] I'm joking. I'm joking. Is I'm sure I responded. If I haven't, send me another message. You know what it is? Because of Eid.

Um, so many people just send messages like Eid Mubarak to everyone. So, I get loads of and they've drowned out so many other messages. And h [sighs] it's it's a bit annoying almost, but I know it's a nice gesture, but it's just that even if you get like 40 messages, which isn't that many if you think about it, 40 people, uh that's a hell of a lot to drown out all your other conversations.

And yeah, so uh drop me another message and I'll be on it. Right. Uh what's the question you asked? Somebody said about [snorts] um yeah, it's a nice gesture. I'm not saying uh I'm not trying to have a go at people saying anything about Eid. I'm not saying I appreciate, [laughter] but it's uh I'm just saying it.

It's it's amazing how some nice things can not intentionally, but can be kind of a bit inconveniencing as well. It's an irony. It's an ir don't understand irony. [laughter] Who am I speaking to here? They don't understand irony. Right. So, what is going I was going to um I was going to say something.

What was I What was I going to talk about? I was going to say something. Uh let me go back check. Was it to do with Right. Aisha [snorts] um [clears throat] Mustafa A would be interesting. Yeah, I'm sure I've messaged Mustafa Akol. If you do know him, drop him a a message and ask him if he's interested in coming on.

Cool. Um, lay of the pot lelay of the pot le Oh, [laughter] do we feel that Aisha was a um feminist? Well, of course, but then I I I don't know when we when we say terms like feminist whether the the kind of interpretative repertoire

the interpretative repertoire in which we're tapping into the kind of shared concepts are the same. I don't know whether what I when I'm saying feminist and the person asking feminist is meaning the same thing. So to me a feminist is if you mean like really it's somebody who ought to stand up for women's rights as well.

Now um that unquestionably Aisha was somebody who stood up for women's rights and she has many hadith critiquing certain narrations that people were misattributing to the prophet things like oh if a woman walks in front of you your prayer becomes invalid. Um and she actually condemns certain companions for saying that, saying they misunderstood what the prophet was saying.

And yeah, in that sense, absolutely. But I mean, if you mean like sometimes a feminist is like um like a kind of man-hating um [laughter] it is. Yeah. Am I just there? It is sometimes deemed like that as well. So obviously she wasn't like that. And I think that's a wrong hijacking of the term feminist. To me, a feminist ought to be somebody who stands up for everybody's rights, especially women's rights.

So, that is really what a feminist is meant to be about an egalitarian society. But you do have uh I think they may be a fringe, but maybe they're more vocal uh on in this day and age. So, you get like a very bitter group that is very kind of almost anti-men. [laughter] They're just anti the XY chromosome. They're just like, [laughter] you know, just men.

Man. So, um, yeah. I mean, so she clearly wasn't like that. I don't think women gener a modern phenomenon, by the way. Um, I don't know what people think. Is it um I [snorts] I don't think women in the past hate you know I don't think women today do either but I think there is a niche uh uh a kind of a group of women who do think like that are quite man-hating but I don't think historically people were like that.

I think for the you know this is maybe just at best a few decades old. That's my thoughts. I don't know what other people think about that. Would you go Capill? You're doing it with the super chat. You're doing it. By the way, somebody said that I'd missed some super chats. I did go through this and I couldn't see any. So if you have uh sent any and I haven't answered them uh you can just send the question stating that look this was the super chat and I'll provided I see it I'll definitely go through it right so

somebody said wka miss Jones I don't know what that means clear we love men of [laughter] of course of course I think really you know this is just a poison that a small group of people just have. Um I think for the most part people ain't like that but it's so amplified it's quite scary cuz um like you know sometimes it's the weirdest of people have the you know the most hollow of drums beat the loudest you know they make the loudest sounds and sometimes you get that um on social media all this echo and I think

sometimes it does freak a lot of men out um like they are a bit weary about you [laughter] [gasps] So that's um that's interesting and we'll we'll speak a bit about that as I speak about this Netflix TV show. All right. Arranged M uh Indian matchmaking but we'll come to that.

Is there a biography? Uh, Sheh Ysef Basatin from HT gave a fatwa permitting kissing a woman as long as there is no lust. [laughter] You see, this is where we're going to listen to these fatawa and then there's going to be a scandal and then this is going to be us.

[laughter] [laughter] [gasps] What is uh that means like for those of you that can't understand that you've got me stuck now, haven't you? You lured me in. [laughter] I shouldn't have listened to you. That's what uh Sheh Ysef Basatin when we get caught we'll be like Shehikh Ysef Sheh Ysef this is all Shehik Ysef's fault sheh Ysef Basatinh Basatin is that his name

Basatin like garden is that the so as long as there's no lust when they catch you in it you'll be like [laughter] Don't Don't take his testimony. This guy [laughter] This guy's testimony doesn't count.

[laughter] Dal with a small D [laughter] or we can say mini dal. No problem. Many. There is one dal with a big D. With a big D. So yeah. So that's an interesting fatwa though. I'll have to look into that. Ysef Basin saying you can kiss each other as long as there's no Yeah.

Let's get him on mine trap. [laughter] We go. She [laughter] no lust this one. No lust. How do how do they measure that though? What do they does there have to be some um some some movement [laughter] an increase in blood flow somewhere?

Is it how do they measure the you got that increase in blood is blood pressure blood pressure blood pressure. This one I I I blood pressure problem. [laughter] They they catch they catch them in in bed. It's like no here. This one no lust here. There's no lust. I we do this without lust.

You know there's no lust in this one. [laughter] Is I contacted you on the madrasa issue. Of course. Awesome. I [snorts] remember now. I will speak about that. That's a good point. Uh Capil, you're doing it with the super chat. Much love and yes, go on uh David Wood stream. Uh sure.

When is it? Uh send me the details. Brother, why are you wearing a necklace? Why are you wearing that thing on your ears? [laughter] That thing? God damn it. What's wrong with you? Why are you wearing that thing? [laughter] [gasps] Right. Let's take a look at some. [snorts] Oh, what is so funny?

Mary red said Mary red, what is so funny? You are deceptive. You are full of contradictions. You know, you know this one. I am Mary had a little lamb. [laughter] Somebody feels a bit uh [gasps] a bit bitter after [laughter] Mary looking for a little lamb.

Ended up on my live stream and she's having a go at me. [laughter] I didn't slaughter anything. So, this one not nice. Let's take a look at some serious questions now. [snorts] Mary red, you are right. You are right.

You are a rightite. Mary red Abdam says, Mary red, you are a right. What a fool. [laughter] I Abd [laughter] you are a right. You are a right to huh Mui. What is your opinion on celebrating Miladon Nabi?

Yeah, sure. I think people can if they wanted to. Uh it's not um it's not really established as part and parcel of the religion but if people want to celebrate it I feel why not. I'm not against uh people celebrating it. Um I am against Okay. I don't like the whole, you know, the whole mega commemorations, the processions in the street and the blocking off the roads and causing inconvenience to others and you know all of that.

I I don't I don't I do condemn that, right? Because I think that's just ridiculous. It's a nuisance. It's inconvenience. But generally if people in masids or at home want to do some kind of commemorate the day, it's up to them. I don't personally uh because it's not established in Islam to do that and the prophet and the early Muslims never did things like that.

So I'm in my general practice upon the principles of the school of Medina and Imam Malik who didn't really recognize innovations in Islam. So, I don't personally practice that, but if people do, I don't condemn them. I don't say, "Oh my god, what the hell are you doing? You're going to hell." It's their choice, each to their own. To some people, that helps them.

Uh Muhammad Bari says, "I'm driving my truck." You're doing it, Muhammad Bar. You're doing it. [snorts] Uh yeah, I can't get to the gym because of all these processions. Speaking of the gym, my local gym has opened. [snorts] Oh my god. It feels so good to be back in the gym. [laughter] This is like an this is it's it's like a next level of bliss which is like [sighs] it's like wow [laughter] this is what Freud referred to as the oceanic feeling you know.

[laughter] Um, right. So, [snorts] Korean preservation. Korean preservation. Oh, Quran preservation. Bueno.

I thought, what's this? Why is uh this person so concerned about some about the Korean preservation? [laughter] Even the Koreans are like, "Yeah, what's this? Uh, why is this guy so concerned?" [laughter] Even Kimyong Hun's [laughter] like, "Huh?" Yeah, maybe we should get him as part of our cabinet.

The concern this guy has is more than our country put together. [laughter] Yeah, the Quran preservation. I have answered that. You know, I'll bring up actually I've got some notes. I'll bring them up. Uh, all right. So, MUI, I'm writing book against the Celifies.

Well, you know, I don't think that's too difficult to be honest. Um, [laughter] to defeat the Salafies, I think like a Post-it note will do really. It's not [laughter] No, I mean the Salafies, you know, don't get me wrong, they are sincere people. Sincere. Mashallah. Mash. [laughter] Mashallah. You know, when you see their sincerity Oh, I got something for you guys.

When you see their sincerity and then you Oh, no. Oh, no. This was something else. [laughter] This one. Not the one, but this one. Okay. As well. That was I think this was this. What is this guy doing? [music] See, that's the excitement I want you guys to all have when it's Monday nights with Muy or whether it's Mind Trap.

If you don't tune in with that excitement, then just switch right back off. do that whatever [laughter] Balabashi Sab is doing and then when you're ready come straight back on that's the vibes that's it's Eid it's the spirit people so yeah now right let's take let's take some questions [snorts] [laughter] this don shaming us I thought he's quite I thought he's quite He's so in his uh moment.

Look, [music] [laughter] I don't know what he's singing, but it seems so whatever I'll have, whatever he's having cuz he seems to be in an awesome mood. [laughter] Eid Mubarak, right back at you, people.

Right back at you. So, let's have some serious questions now. Serious questions people. Okay. I was asked a question about should one study the is a had asked this question. [snorts] Uh right now it asked that he himself if I've understood the question correctly uh is very interested in learning about the dean.

This is a generic I mean it could be it could apply to many of you watching this today that he has great passion to learn the dean but he's on a trajectory for a career like many young people they could be approaching university or in university or maybe they're out of university but he is on this trajectory to study whatever it is it's going to take a full degree then it's going to take some years of practice and searching a career here for him to go and join a madrasa which is on average a

even an easy route is really like a minimum five year route that's like really fast but um six years on average that's like for the short end of a route um if he's a real quick learner and things like this otherwise between six to eight years but even if we're going with 5 years. Um the equal time that it would take him to finish a degree, finish some some kind of specialist.

So let's say he did a law degree, he could do an LPC after that and he could be now practicing law or he's finished a madrasa. Is this really the thing for him to do to take that choice and go into Madrasa learning? Uh because he's passionate about Islam. Should he do that? But what would he do for a career after all of this? I mean, what's he going to do?

Is he going to end up in a maktub? A muktab is like where they teach kids in a mosque, in a masid. In the UK, they call it maktub. Some places call it kutab. And and they have other names for it. Um, right. I forgot the name. Uh, uh, I remember reading uh the Somali name for it. I forgot what it is. What's And I was reading it completely differently. It's got like a an X in it.

And I was thinking, what on earth is the is it called a doxy or something? But uh and I was thinking, what is this? But it turns out it's the same thing. Uh this maka. Now what are what are my thoughts on this person? Should he do that? I think look [snorts] if I'm to be um give you my I have been through the university system.

I've been through the Madrasa system. I've been through kind of freelance learning off in the Middle East and you know like I've done that uh when I did it. But how would I you know would I advise these people today in this day and age to necessarily do that? Maybe not. Um, you see if you can learn the dean equally without taking a madrasa fullon madrasa route.

Okay, you can do it and you can even do it as effectively if not even more effectively in some ways because there's okay the pros and the cons about a mudrasa life. So the madrasa life and that's like moving into full-time accommodated education. So you see the great thing about this is everything is mapped out for you what you're going to learn.

There's a foundational level to all these sciences like let's say the Quranith Arabic grammar history all of these things are there and then they're going to there's a um uh a kind of gradual approach to uh to accomplishing your learning.

learning. So you're going to in increments grow. So you'll have the basics, then you're going to jump to as the years go by, you're going to cover the same kind of topics again, but in more depth and then again in more depth and then again in more depth and um along [clears throat] with new material as well, obviously. So by the end of it, you are a scholar unquestionably if you if if you have a passion.

Now so the plus side, we're looking at the plus side. Everything is mapped out for you. The hard work in providing the material has been done. The the basic stuff the the kind of scal scal the the kind of structure of it the foundation. Not more than the foundation. It's like all the wiring and everything is being laid out.

The teachers are being brought to you. You are on a kind of conveyor belt. This is the awesome thing of being in a madrasa is that you just have to wake up [laughter] which is in your room in your dorms. [snorts] You have to just get ready and walk to class which is going to be in that in that connected building anyway. So and now you're in class and all the teachers are coming to you.

So that is amazing from that perspective and you can't really beat that and it has a great kind of camaraderie a whole brotherhood or sisterhood arguably the whole you know that friendship and these are the amazing highlights of a madrasa. Um however the the downside of you know the the the cons or the negative the drawbacks of going to a madrasa system through a madras is that it dumbs you down unfortunately because a lot of the assata are so insecure about being questioned about

the whole system is built on from an angle of dogmatism. It's not there is no critical thought at all that will that will exist. The only critical thought thought that does exist is ironically what you will confessionally read within the texts. So when you're reading a book like let's say you're reading I don't know haya of the now it will say that Abu Hanifh said this and said this and critiqued this point like this.

So now you're reading some critical thought and then they will say but we kind of you know we kind of dealt with them with this. There you go. So it's it's not really critical thought at you know applied. It is at a 2D level. It's not 3D. So it's not in your actual lives. You're not encouraged. In fact forget encouraged.

If you start getting critical you'll be told off. So I used to be critical when I used to study and I was told off on several occasions. Um I remember once I got into this whole um it turned [clears throat] into an argument actually. I think I've narrated it before, but this is just a tiny a minor example of where um I was told, oh, you're not allowed to dress with the with collars, like you can't have colors on your uh kamsea ma style shall kamse you know the th

without the collars. So I I said I was trying to make sense of sorry what [laughter] how did that become an Islamic thing? I don't and they said well duh duh you can't even tell that wearing colors isn't Islamic. [laughter] So I I was like uh I don't get that.

Why is that not Islamic? And they said well because uh this resembles the shirts that are made in Europe which is then resembling the non-Muslim kufur. [laughter] I I I thought uh ah this you know any more of this and my thinking is going to be pushed right back to the Neanderal days [laughter] cuz I can imagine like Neanderals if they were sitting in that class they would be like what a point [laughter] the Neanderls would be like

vakia you know our we're evolving we can feel it [laughter] we're on a trae victory for greatness. You guys feel it? Yeah. Yeah. And then they go extinct. [laughter] But this is the kind of mentality that you get in the madrasa. You see, and I was obviously um you know, when you said that to me, I was pissed off that what what the hell are you talking about?

Wh why why that does you do understand that what you said makes zero sense? There's nothing that doesn't make any sense. And they're like, "Of course it makes sense. It makes perfect sense." And I said, like, "No, it doesn't." And then they're like, "Well, you know, if you don't do because then you're in uh breach of Islamic morals." And I thought, I don't [laughter] I don't know where this Have I missed like three seasons?

Are we on a different is this season six now? [laughter] How the hell did we jump to Islamic morals? This is like and so so this is what I mean. It gets so dumb and so uh and then if you challenge them like so when I challenge the teacher he got really upset that how dare you challenge me and I said to him but I'm just asking you to explain what you're telling me because it's not making sense to me.

So he said well your job he he said is to listen to me. Uh and and he said to me these were his words. He said look he said that you right now don't understand this when I was at your stage I didn't understand it but once you graduate and you become a scholar you will understand it so I said to him well okay in that case I take it you've understood it now then so why don't you just now explain it to me [laughter] needless to say that comeback was not a great hit friend.

Friend, [laughter] he was like, he was fuming. He was like, "What the hell?" He said, "Listen, I imbuifi." These were his words. No, not he said, "We are blind like blind people and I imbuif.

So, how dare you ask any question?" I was thinking how did I IMBUIFY'S [laughter] neural networks like how [laughter] have we changed the complete are we watching something entirely different now [laughter] [gasps] I don't know but that's you see I I laughed but this is the truth unfortunately so when they dumb down your thinking It [snorts] can take you in the future so many years to kind of undo that

because they're going to dumb it down day after day, month after month, and year after year. So when you've gone through six years of rigorous training of being dumbed down and being told off for and not being allowed to ear your condition your your kind of thoughts and questions and then it's hard sometimes to later on become like that because you know you're not used to you you start to lack that confidence to do it because every time you try and do it somebody shatters you.

So yeah, so I feel in many ways, you know, when you look at the tradeoff that if a person studied on their own, if they studied Arabic, let's say, when I say on their own, sorry, let me rephrase that part. If they studied independently, so let's say you studied Arabic, you got that out the way within 6 months. Um, within a year, your Arabic's good, but after 6 months, you started picking up like you started reading basic f uh basic other things.

um let's say you start like going through some of the different sciences on your own independently with teachers online. I think as you finish your let's say higher education pursuits so for you know for an uh for the sake of example let's say in this case we were going with law by the time you finish your law degree and you finish your LPC training you would be if not you I I believe as qualified as a scholar if not more from the perspective of critical thought and your kind of reach will

surpass them. There are certain places I um in the UK I feel things like um Abdul Sheh Abdul Hakim Murad's place I've heard great things about it. I think that's great. I think uh also you know reading up at that stage as you've done all the the kind of these interim books you've kind of covered them you've learned about subjects you've watched uh lectures on YouTube you've kind of you know listened to different discussions on them now what you can also start doing is uh reading up about what academics have said so sometimes these

PhD academics have really fascinating ing insights uh on Islamic things to to kind of gain a uh a much greater depth to that that area of focus. So that I would say definitely you know if you are focused on a career then go for it and you can just learn this stuff on the side. You don't need to abandon your secular studies and become a full-time Madrasa student.

If a person did want to go to Madrasa, that's sure that's good as well. But just be weary about the things I was saying about it dumbing you down. You have to do that all on your own. It will be your the onus will be on you to make sure you keep your critical faculties alive. You keep questioning and the problem is in those institutes they do bully you on many occasions. So it is hard like they will you know if they find out you question things they'll deem you a heretic.

They may even in the final years dismiss you and that would be such a a waste. Like I've known people um in Birmingham. I've known of people who reached a final year. I mean think about that. You've studied four five years whatever it is and you reach a final year and they say sorry you have a haircut with you know what is it like a fade like how I have it. This wasn't with me but it was with people reported to me.

and because you trim your beard, uh, we're not going to allow you to graduate and we're going to expel you. So, and you know, this is going on in the 21st century in the UK [laughter] by people who are born in the UK. You know, uh, the scholars who are doing this to them are Britishborn scholars. So, yeah. So I mean I'm not as you can see I do on one hand love the traditional kind of thing and but I feel that the institutes are such you know it's such a tradeoff.

Yeah. But um but if you can do it on your own it may be much better if you do go to a madrasal alhamdulillah just make sure you do all these other things on your own. You keep researching keep expanding you keep uh looking into that each genre um independently. So when you're looking at read the other names of mufas when you're looking at follow up on theul of other mhabs uh read about the lives of different scholars.

Let it come to life for you. I can't stress that enough. You know what makes it come to life for me is I read up about the people involved. I I read about the human side of them. I read about the you know when did they used to live? What did they used to do? What were who were their friends? I I will try and you know what was some weird opinions they had why did they have that weird opinion you know it's [laughter] and then when their name is mentioned they come to life for me you know when I hear the name of Ariadn Abdar Hamn these people are like they're like people that I know I it's like I know

their temperaments I know their personalities I know their you know you could tell me something and I'll I'll be like that doesn't sound like Hassam would say that you see I could be wrong but I have it's like you could tell me something about a friend of mine and I would feel that it doesn't sound like something that friend would say cuz this is how these people they have personalities you can get to know them.

So I hope that makes some sense. But it is the Madrasa system, you know, it's a shame because it's an amazing concept so poorly executed. Uh it's like it's so uh counterproductively executed. I wish that the madrasas were kind of cool and they we would have amazing Don't you think so?

would have an amazing kind of um level out there because if you think about it each year like think about the UK there must be at least 500 scholars being produced every year easily. I mean that's a very like a lowend extremely low-end I think estimation probably a thousand every year in the UK.

I mean and these most of these it's not even that they're just cannon foder that these people are just a waste. Most of them are then an impediment to to enlightened growth because they become the people that then say to this one kufur you know [laughter] it's like a cha cha you come and join that line. Yeah.

[laughter] Yeah. Right, Salman Moin, you're doing it with the super chat, man. Much love. Much love. Uh, right. So, it [snorts] is amazing your connection. Do you dream about Hazam? [snorts and laughter] I have in some, you know, as a one-off had dreams about scholars in the past.

Um, I've dreamt of Abdul B. I've dreamt of some other scholars as well. I'm pretty sure I've dreamt of Pal the Yad. I've dreamt like as in I like I just in the dream. It's not like I've dreamt about them in some kind of oh mesmerizing romantic Bollywood sense, but as in like in the dream I happen to be talking to them or I happen to I wish I could say I'm often doing that.

I'm not. My dreams are usually just crazy and [laughter] not of this nature. this is the oneoff occasion where I don't know what happens and it's like huh how come I had an Islamic dream [laughter] but yeah so um but I have had dreams with them I you know it's amazing because my dream of Abd I had so many years ago but it still stands out like so [laughter] in that dream I I walked into this kind of uh I I wanted to meet him I I was in some building and I knew he was there and he worked worked there or something.

Ibn Abdar the great hafid of the western Muslim world from about a thousand years ago. He lived in Muslim Spain. He's one of my kind of dons of of and dawn of the Maliki Madhab. So I was like whoa I have to meet you know half Abd and and they said oh well he's in that office over there. [laughter] So I go into this office and he's this he's like a professor.

He's like dressed like a professor. He looked a bit like in my dream a bit like um what's that actor's name? Yeah, the the one from uh Gladiator. What's his name? [laughter] Um ah bloody elf. See like slip. But the way he he plays uh you know the way he kind of looks in um a beautiful mind um that Russell what is it?

But anyway, right. So you know who I'm talking about. So he was like that the way he's in that movie uh and dressed like a professor and he's sitting there all these books and he's on this chair sitting there and uh he's kind of reading some book or something and I go in and I have this kind of conversation with him and I was so like wowed by but I was kind of shocked because I didn't expect him to look like that. [laughter] So not being judgmental Russell Crow.

That's it. That's it. He looked like that but the slightly chubbier version of not fat but like you know the one from but yeah that was a very interesting intriguing dream because I still remember it as clearly as I saw it when and it' been so many years now I saw that. Yeah. Right. So what's going on people? What somebody said in Go on ask that to MUI.

Ask what to a beautiful mind was a beautiful movie. It was actually it was an amazing movie. Um was Abd in the reception [laughter] Abdar? It was a don though. I got to give it.

So uh Mui How much you make? How much I make? How much I make as in cha-ching or how much I make in something else? How common is sex? How common? Let's go to that question. Everything on hold. On hold. It's a question about Islam.

[laughter] See, see what is uh uh preont. What? Oh, damn. Has he disappeared? Oh, no. Have I lost the question? See, I'm trying to uh trying to go back. How common? Mary Mary Marin Marina.

Huh? How how how common is how common is sexual abuse? Aa acha. That's how you lure them in. [laughter] How common is sexual abuse in the madrasa? Yeah, it's very unfortunate. These things are common. Uh very unfortunate. But yeah, the I mean depends when you say common and what countries in the in the west.

I think it's it's not unheard of in the west, but it's not going to be as common as in other parts of the world. So, here as well, I'm pretty sure there were certain cases that were going on. I think now they've probably uh clamping down more on this, but you know, unfortunately the Madrasa attitude towards this kind of sexual abuse isn't all that like their attitudes often are like well, you know, believe it or not, it's actually quite strangely uh like their attitude towards like if you like so for example, if they

found out a student shaved his beard off, you'd see the four horsemen of the apocalypse outside the gate. It would all hell [laughter] and with them followed hell. That's how you're going to see all hell break loose. There's going to be they would go mad.

I mean, they they would take it as there would be a personal rage. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the teachers has a heart attack and dies. [laughter] And God forbid somebody shaved their beard and put an earring on there, you know, two of the teachers would drop dead with [laughter] and three others would develop blood pressure. That's the the kind of that's on the that's like that's like in the lowest pit of hellfire.

And if there was they found out oh you know somebody's done something to another another one of the students sexual abuse or somebody let's say a teacher although in this country I I'm not so sure whether the teachers are up to it as much as in other countries uh because they're probably now there's a culture to catch people and do you know to kind of um expose them and to report them and which thank god I I mean even though it's so late but there is a culture but in the other parts of the world like let's say the teachers are up to it

or the students are definitely it's it's not uncommon in other parts of the world at all like in places like Pakistan. So their their reaction to this will be like ah okay well we'll look into it. [laughter] It's not a laughing matter, but that's how they, you know, their reaction is. I'm I'm kind of like when you compare that with the other one, honestly, if you were in Bakistan or in one of those madrasas and you shaved your beard off, I mean, you couldn't even think of putting something like an like it would literally be, you know, the

hadith [laughter] that the final hour would descend right there. It would it would happen. this is it. It would be all hell would break loose. So yeah, so they don't take it that seriously unfortunately which is I mean unfortunately doesn't do justice to the word. Um but yeah that's that's a sad state of affairs.

This is why I would never recommend for young boys young um to ever go to a madrasa in Pakistan ever. Ever. I would never let somebody I knew go to a madrasa in Pakistan. That tobat that that that would be like that that that would be unimaginable.

But if they were a grown man like you know like somebody who is now 20 years old, 19 that kind of age or above then fine then they would be fine like that. But yeah, right. So, what is going on? [snorts] Yeah, it's a shame. It's a shame. Zeba saying uh Toba Toba. Yeah, it's a shame.

You know, and I and you know the shocking thing is I remember in Madrasa I went and once complained about certain things going on and they dismissed me and in fact, you know, ironically, they kind of put me in trouble for it. It was like, okay, I never got into much trouble, but they but I could have, but me being me, seriously, like they I saw certain things going on which weren't right.

And I reported them. I said that look, there's uh you know what the hell's going on here with between the this cohort of people, the way they treat this younger guy amongst them. And because they used to be very kind of sexual in their connotations towards him. And do you know what they did? They were just p that particular person was just pissed off. The teacher I went to is pissed off with me for I don't know what.

And he said, "Oh, so you you know you think basically, oh, you think you're you know something like oh coming and reporting? Oh, so you think this is like you're a better person coming and and I'm like I'm telling you guys so you can do something about it." He's like, "Okay, now how are you going to feel when I go and tell those guys that you came and reported them?" So, I was like, "Uh, sorry.

Do do I look scared to you? [laughter] You can go tell them and their dad." And I thought, "You think do I look bothered that you're going to tell them?" I was like, "Go tell them." So this teacher gets up, goes over to those bunch of guys where they were and tells them that do you know he's reported you guys for this?

I said and [laughter] like I mean what do I do do I look bothered? I said to him I'm telling you so you can do the sensible thing right it it you know you can you're the goddamn supervisor you ought to intervene and you ought to kind of place safeguarding. what do you want me to go, you know, like do vigilante practice here? Like how you've got a system in place and I'm telling you that look, this doesn't look right and you're in turn trying to threaten me.

And I thought and then do you know later on it re uh it transpired that they did go on to seriously abuse that guy and sexually and stuff like this and and it's a shame because I I mean I found out much after that oh that actually then happened as well later on but I you know it's it was like I actually told several you know at that time I told that teacher he didn't listen I told someone else uh they said okay we'll look into it.

But this is the attitude unfortunately you know may Allah make things easy. I mean and there were one or two other occasions where we found out and say that you know because this guy I mean this this particular kid I mean he was a British kid and somebody you know some wrongan had you know tried it on with him and everything and so he came to us told us so we did we had to have some nice words with that person and you know, but this is this is the

problem, you know. So, yeah, but yeah, ch [laughter] I I digress. I digress. Let's get back to Isaka sent a super chat. Please contact Daji HT in my country has grown rapidly. Yeah, sure. I mean, I'm, you know, I don't respect his at all. I think they are a cancer in this ummah.

But I as a person I do respect Mustafa uh Taji. He's like what the only HT person that I know that I have on a p as a person I have respect for otherwise the others I don't respect them at all and I do have respect for him as a person. He has a great personality, very hospitable, very friendly, very kind of he's always shown me as a person so much love.

Uh so I will reach out to him. I'm happy to you know have that discussion right so what is going on peopleles people what are your views on hijama right hijama is uh you see hijama to me is not something Islamic but it was being practiced not only by ancient Arabs in the medieval times it was a huge Christian thing.

In fact, if you read up the history on bloodletting, um it was something often practiced by the monks, especially throughout medieval uh christrysendom. So when um [clears throat] when um we find a lot of this being promoted, it is really this huge culture of it I feel kind of reverberates back through the Christians.

I feel I could be wrong. It definitely existed in early Islam, but I don't think they were that obsessed as they've become later on when this kind of grew in the medieval times. Now, in the prophet's time, this wasn't something the prophet invented. It wasn't something the prophet said, "This is what God has told us." It was just what the Arabs did and other people did.

So, and other people write that look, this is not an Islamic practice. This is just a a custom of the Arabs. It's what they would medicate by. If you in time realize it works, then alhamdulillah. If you realize it don't, it doesn't work, then you know, you don't need to think this is something God has told you to do. So, and and that's how I would say that today scientifically, there's nothing proven.

And in fact, um, Dr. Imran Khan, Doc from Metrof Metroflex, doing it, Doc, you're doing it. uh who I've had on Mind Trap. I am hoping to maybe get him again this week on MindTrap. Now he if I recall correctly has done a study with I I think was it between 60 to 70 participants and the blood that is extracted uh a sample of it to see does it actually extract more toxins and it doesn't seem to demonstrate that it's actually bringing out more toxins but it's just the way it kind of sucks the blood out that it the kind of coagulation

makes the blood appear so dark and so so to assume that because this blood doesn't look natural, it must be so dirty and full of toxins and but it's actually not. Um, that's what he he was telling me his study found as well. Akad Akad is that Akad? You're doing it.

Thoughts on Boyer Road Masid? What's your local? All right. Boy Mo Road. Boyer Road is uh a very popular road in Alamrock, Birmingham, which is known to the locals as Bavia Road. [laughter] So if you call it boy road I mean now people may but there was a time where people wouldn't even know what you're talking about. You have to say bavia road then they go ah bavia road aacha this one over here but it has a masid there called yaquran uh an amazing masid all done up amazing and it's it's a very wellestablished

masid with a lot of features to it accommodates for uh funerals and if not the whole funeral practice but several aspects of funerals and gatherings and it's definitely a community uh functional masid for that area. I don't know how much how whether I'm sure there's room for improvement. I don't actually go there so often, but I have been there on several occasions.

So yeah, I have good thoughts about it. Nothing really negative or anything. Right. So what is going down? Mi, what masid did you read at? I would love to meet you. Khabib, you're more than welcome to meet me. Just uh I often say reach out to Muhammad Shahaban and he'll set it up.

All right. And by the way, those of you if you want to support my cause where's my is this? There it is. My Patreon is in full uh effect people. So you can check it out. you can support the account. Um, it's fully starts. I mean, even though I started it uh I think about eight days ago, 10 days ago, but it's fully operational now from this month.

So, I'll be having those kind of sessions and the the group chats and everything. So, those of you that are on there, watch out for your messages. Cool. And Shukran Shukran for all your love and support. Somebody said, "It's that uh Muhammad Shahaban." Uh, he's a close friend. He's on all of my you you'll find him on my accounts and he's in several pictures with me and things like that, but we usually always do the link up at his place, the chill pad.

You're doing it. You're doing it. So, what is going down people? What is going down? When you going to debate, ass [laughter] wars are back on people.

I don't know if you noticed that the uh I've personally been to students being expelled from Madrasa for these filthy acts. Madras are strict on this issue and zero tolerance. Yeah. I mean uh Sakib Khan just saying you know the point you made about the Islamic institutes for not showing interest in sexual harassment. Um he's you see I did say I did say that uh that there is now a culture here for clamping down.

So it's I did state that that it's less so here although I think it still exists but less so I did say that and most of what I was saying was abroad but it does still happen here maybe less so now I said with the culture kind of developing so yeah I wasn't saying what you know my stories of how the teachers were abusing was not about here so but here as well I do think that in all honesty, if I'm going to be honest, I think the teachers attitude towards sexual abuse in recent years has only become heightened because

they're worried they will get into trouble with the police. It's not because of their personal conviction. They would be much more exacerbated if somebody like the example I gave shave their beard off. They would be on it. [laughter] But the reason they do now respond to some of the these kind of claims of sexual abuse, not so much because they are that riled up and angry at the the thing.

It's because they fear that oh my god we might get shut down you know the police will investigate us and the press will investigate. So it's more an external pressure. But I agree I did state then as well. How are they against gays? Khadim Razi says and so much yet the [laughter] it is true you know it's it's interesting isn't it that the moolas are the harshest sometimes against homosexuals but ironically they seem to have a very

especially I'm talking about in that part of the world uh a very kind of um a uh [laughter] a bisexual past one may they but yeah so that's but that's the thing isn't it that's you know in psychology you see that quite a bit I mean Edgar Hoover and these people who are known homophobes yet hidden closet kind of um yeah so people let's move on to this um all right let me share this with you folks I came across this on social media this as you can see here was a picture

being circulated that mashallah This was the sewing machine of a machine. Subhan Allah. Uh what is it? Subhan Allah. So say subhan Allah and share this ahead. This was the beloved uh sewing machine of uh of Aisha.

Now you know this is the exact kind of uh you know nonsense that we find going on because so many Muslims will now see this and think well you know they will see this and think oh subhan Allah subhanan Allah I mean just use your common sense for a moment [laughter] [gasps] aa you know just look at that screw that you can see in it, you know, the actual just that screw in the center.

I mean, looking at that screw, who do you think made that screw? Your dad. [laughter] I mean, 1400 years ago, was your dad sitting there making screws and screwdrivers? [laughter] But I mean, seriously, this is the kind of stuff that you will get. I mean you will get this. So whereas really you know this is look it's taken from this website stock photos and it even had the logo of that website in the

background. You know if people just did a tiny bit of research and you know when was the first sewing machine even made? [laughter] But the the problem is that people get so oh mashallah. Subhan Allah. Subhan Allah. Say that Aisha's sewing machine right here. Subhan Allah. Let's hang it on the wall.

A picture of it. It's like acha. You know, it's like somebody sending a photo around of a charger. They go, "Mashallah, this was such and such Sahab's charger that we found. Subhan Allah. [laughter] Aacha." and your dad forgot to make the the socket in the wall. [laughter] You know, it's like this is the the dumb level of things being transmitted.

So, this is why we're struggling. Why is it haram if I'm not harming anyone? I'll come to your point. So this first of all we need to grow out of all of this because this is that same logic which is mashallah if God doesn't exist then who took this picture [laughter]

this is that you know sewing machine sewing machine. So people we have to mature and you know speaking of immaturity there was there is this problem that you've calamity that I'd like to speak about this that you can see is Muhammad Khaled Khan um a young person from Peshawar who I don't know if you're familiar with what's happened he right if I

here he is. This person was involved in murdering somebody by the name of Tahir Ahmed Nasim. Now this Tahir Ahmed Nasim was a uh he he was a Kadyani. He was somebody who belonged to the Kadyani denomination and he had he was an elderly man. I I don't know how old, but I'm assuming at least in his mid 50s, late 50s.

Um maybe 60s. Um I'm not quite sure, but he he looks quite elderly. And in all honesty, he's somebody who does not who appears to have mental health issues. Yeah. and he's on YouTube and what he's doing is he is um discussing on YouTube the if I bring this this is him on the right hand side and some molana is speaking to him so he's wearing the cap [laughter] on the right hand side

so some molana brings him on and then has this lengthy interview which is available on YouTube. So he's saying Allah has chosen him. So Allah has made him the Messiah. So he says the hadith mentions that there will be a messiah at the end of time.

And this interview, it's not that lengthy, but it's it's there. It's for it's a kind of like a so he says Allah explains that I'm his spiritual son. Ahmed. So he's a kind of like a shadow prophet of

So this molana uh is this molana is kind of clearly interviewing him and getting this out there. He's saying well he's made this clear. There's no room for interpretation. As you can see, he is a not only a kadani clearly is an individual who claims to be the messiah and he's openly he himself is openly doing this on some live interview on YouTube.

Now he was then arrested on blasphemy charges whilst he was waiting in the courtroom. Along comes an individual by the name of Khaled uh Khaled Khan. Some say Muhammad Khalid, some say Khaled Khan. Now he comes along. There he is. And he shoots him in the courtroom like in the waiting area. And apparently the judge was there.

Everybody's there. There is a video. I I didn't want to share that video on here. It is on social media. I've seen it. Um but it's where this Ahmed Taher is Ahmed is in the background just on the bench dead. He's been shot in the head or something. and he's just lying on the bench or he's kind of crouched over and and he's sitting there this couple of coppers, couple of police officers, other people still doing their regular work and everybody just seems so kind of casual.

And here you can see him smiling. You can see how people are people have been kind of very you can see here on social media saying look Gazi Khaled they're calling him somebody a military an Islamic kind of mujahid a warrior [clears throat] look how he's going to court today smiling subhan allah this is the kind of um this is the attitude so you can see this was him in that video where he's explaining and When they ask him, "How did you get the gun?" He says, "Well, the prophet brought me the gun." He says, "The prophet brought me the gun." So they

say, "Well, how did the prophet get you the gun?" And he says, "Well, that's what he did. He brought me the gun." Now, here he is smiling once again. And there's Kuzi's comment, Imam Kuzi saying, look, he's actually condemning the MUI who shared this, saying, "Subhan Allah, look, this is a true lover of the prophet." Um, and Imm Kazi who's from the Midlands area as well, uh, and a relative, he's critiquing that on Facebook.

He's got his comment at the bottom saying, "Look, what kind of nonsense is this?" And you know, this is the problem that you see this person like you can see his interview. He's in that room, informal kind of interview. The police have got him there and they're asking him, "Look what what did he what what's you know what what happened?" and he's saying, "Well, look, he's a gust. He's a blasphemer. He blasphemed against the prophet." And the police officer is saying to him, "Oh, did he did he say that?" And he's like, "Yeah, he said that." And the guy's like, "Oh." And even the police officer says, you know, like basically you dealt

well with him. And this is the problem. Now unlike some of the previous cases where the person hasn't even said anything about being a prophet, they just just kind of like falsely accuse them and then kill them. In this particular case, this uh person Ahmed Nasim, he did make all these claims.

He clearly was suffering from mental health issues. Now you see I feel in this situation the authorities need to be held accountable that how can it be that something like this circulates on local social media the authorities ought to know this was in pashaw for god's sake you know this is where the whole you know the the the kind of tradition and where everybody I I mean in Pakistan people own guns anyway but this is that very you know

kind of like the Taliban rule and you know this guy is going to get executed. How can you not know that? I refuse to accept that that that they couldn't see that that was going to happen. That was unmissable. Like it's it's a given that this person has come on social media. Some some molana has kind of made him openly confess.

He's openly confessed. You know, this guy's going to get executed now. The somebody out there is going to take a gun, which everybody's got tons of them over there. They're just going to go and shoot him now. How honestly I This is such a shame. Now this is the problem and and then you know then you see these other interviews like that guy who's going to say look this is my dean at the end of the day I'm defending the honor of my prophet how can you um you know how can you chast and if you're going to chastise me

chastise me I'm happy I gladly will take it and the public they will no way this person will never get any kind of incredible like he definitely won't get capital punishment in Pakistan for this. But I feel they might lock him up due to pressure and then later on release him. But it's I you know the problem is there's a helplessness in even facing this situation that what do you do like so much needs to be unlearned and so much needs to be then replaced as education.

I don't know if you guys cuz it's like everything is so messed up. The molanas, the narrative, the social narrative cuz even in that courtroom which I couldn't show the clip there because of the dead body in the background and it's just not um going to be appropriate. But you know you even how casual everybody is in that room you know like you got some of the admin clerks that are just there still just kind of like just oh yeah oh yeah and you know oh and there's just a dead person over there on that seat just kind of like this and they're just like oh yeah just getting this piece of paper and yeah okay yeah and everybody's so

and the police officers are like oh oh did he say oh he said it oh you should oh oh that's good all right that makes sense then The other people are yeah yeah yeah he insulted the prophet and you know and this is another thing to be clear he didn't insult the prophet you know the person now you could say you could say that look this he has made himself a claim to prophethood which he clearly was making a claim to prophethood but he wasn't saying like swearing at the prophet he was trying to say he's a follow on prophet.

He's like a shadow prophet. Now obviously as Muslims generally we don't accept these beliefs but it doesn't mean if somebody says that that they are automatically insulting the prophet like they sure you might say look their beliefs are twisted but firstly I want to say two things here. One thing is that look okay uh why are you so insecure?

You know, if a person came to me today and said, "I'm God." You know, I'm also God has made me into another like a second god. I mean, like, okay, now I I might take the mick out of him or her. You know, I might be crack a few jokes and but what would I get? So, oh my god, insecure. Oh my god, this is now going to challenge my belief in God.

If a person came today and said, you know, I realized that God has chosen me to be another prophet. How you know like why are are we getting so rattled? Is our iman that weak that when we hear somebody say, "Oh, he's a Kadani or he's a this or he's that." Oh my god. Oh my god. I mean, Islam has stood the test of time. Why are you so scared?

You know, let and and people say here, well, they use the uh this is another problem with uh some of a lot of our histories. This is huge problem with the Mazi culture. You know, our history full of battles and this, you know, when they sat down, this is what I im Ahmed Ham said that this all it's all nonsense. You know when they asked Im Ahmed he said he said this all these battles and everything a lot of it is just hearsay.

It's like maybe there's some fundamental kind of truth but it's fictionalized. It's dramatized kind of like oral narratives but people say oh you know but alab they killed him. Look, Mama Alad was there in the lifetime of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam. Was he not? Was Musama not? Did he not come up to the prophet and have a conversation with him?

He did. Did he not even say to the prophet, you know what, I'll become a Muslim, but you follow me and try to negotiate with the prophet. He did. Did the prophet say execute him? No. There was never a ruling to execute Musama of Yama. Never.

He was not a threat as far as I was concerned. He was not a Muslims weren't insecure of him. Yes. In Abu Bakr's time to do with controlling the state. It was political. It was to do with do it was a make orb breakak situation with the tribes were not some were giving some allegiance not complete allegiance. So Abu Bakr took an iron fist approach that look it we are he felt that we are at a crossroad it is make or break.

So I don't want 99% subservience or subordination. I want 100% subordination and he did he went with an iron fist. I accept that. And even you know even people like Omar Kab and other people felt a bit you know who's some Omar is portrayed as a very fierce kind of uh personality within the Sunni tradition.

Yet even he was like you know to Abu Bakr that wa I don't I don't know you know you're really going in here and and and you know Abu Bakr is transmitted said to him what's wrong with you you know no we need you know uh and you know you know you become a coward all of a sudden weren't you you know uh somebody that used to be of you know such courageous proportions So the point was this was a political decision that Abu Bakr made it was not to do with he did not just target Mama

you know he didn't say okay guys we're going to go for because he claims to be a a prophet he went for the whole of Arabia anybody who refused zakat because the state needed funding one two, he felt that you see if you submit to the zakat system because for the zakat you have to send a you send someone that comes and he can just walk you lose a a right to privacy of assets because that person can come in and assess your assets.

You get no say in stopping that. So it was the ultimate subordination. This is why the Arabs, you know, they resisted. They didn't have a problem with Islam, but they had a problem with that level of subordination. Because even in the prophet's time, you have to remember the prophet did not compel everybody to give zakat. And this zakat thing only began a few years before the prophet, sorry, a few months before the prophet passed away.

Amu, the tribes came. And we're not sure, first of all, not all the tribes came, only certain amount. And we're not sure how many of them gave what and whether it was out of compulsion or a goodwill gesture because they came as a delegation. But we know within a few months the prophet passes away and then Abu Bakr takes this stance. Now fair enough it was his choice and it worked.

You know may Allah be pleased with him but it worked. Uh it was a very ironfist approach and it was a very kind of like uh almost not like one would assume it was not like the character of who's generally quite mellow but he took this approach but it was nothing to do with Musama. Mama was just saying to people as well in Yama and around him that you don't need to pay zakat follow me I don't even ask you for zakat.

So this is what it was to use this. The reason some people are using this to justify this khalid going and killing saying that well mus that is utter BS utter the prophet never he was alive he met musama in fact the prophet laughed at his suggestion that people is how you handle such claims you smile at it doesn't make you insecure that is how the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam responded to him when he made an offer to the prophet, he just

smiled at him like like are you you know this is amusing at best. But yeah, so this so this is my first huge point and as a little second point an addage to that I would say look what about this person saying the prophet gave me a gun is that not blasphemy but nobody will see the the blasphemy in that he will be hailed a hero of Islam.

So this is why you know we but I don't know you know countries like there's just so much you know it's like one of those memes where they say you know they show you a picture and they say well there's just so much wrong in this picture I don't know what to where to even begin and it's like that there's just so much wrong there like I don't know where would a person begin with the with the with the moolas with the narratives with the social narratives with the awam who glorify this with uh uh with how do you deal with insecurities?

How do you I wouldn't even know where to begin honestly with certain parts of the world. I just hope that their impact is is really you know an absolute minimum to this part of the world and Muslims in the west and even Muslims over there. I hope they can see through this kind of BS. But I felt that was uh so important to really highlight.

But yeah, right. I'm just checking. Was there anything I didn't? Right. So, all right. All right. Right. Let's take a few questions. Amina and Ilas has super chatted Shukran for um your opinion on prophets being depicted in movies. right now. You see,

you see from an Islamic perspective, from a ruling's perspective, drawing the prophet and things like this, there's nothing to actually say that that is actually forbidden. But from a clear perspective in the Quran, contrary to what people think, people think that it's actually so clear it isn't. But it's just that because the initial movement of Islam was against statues and drawings weren't really a big culture amongst Arabs, early Arabs.

It wasn't. They were there. So inside the Kaa they did have paintings and they had a painting most likely of Jesus and Mary but they the paintings weren't a big thing. So the so there wasn't this culture. Now, Muslims generally feel as a belief value that we should not depict the prophet or sorry, we should not describe the prophet in a way that is unbefitting or ascribe or like like so for example if a person just says something rude

about the prophet. So to Muslims to us the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam is of a highest m and we don't speak like about him in that way. Now from there comes this understanding that okay if we if people were to draw him how would you draw him because we've never actually seen him. So whatever drawing you have um it would not be a true reflection of him. And the fact that it's not true, it then by default in a binary world is then a falsehood because it's a false depiction of him.

Because it's then false, it is then ascribing a lie onto the prophet. So this is the angle how scholars said this was haram. when they said it was from this angle. It wasn't I mean there was the other thing as well that they didn't want Muslims to start worshiping but to be honest Muslims wouldn't start generally worshiping the prophet that I don't think that would happen generally speaking anyway but more so it was this angle that because if you draw the prophet or make a picture or sorry a statue of him whatever you make will be a false representation of him because you've never seen him.

So in essence you're ascribing falsehood to him even though it's not to his teachings but it's to him and thereby it's prohibited from that angle. So you need to understand where the kind of legal reasoning the Islamic legal reasoning is coming in. It's not coming in from it's often presented that oh if you drew a picture of the prophet everybody will start worshiping him. It makes Muslims sound a bit dumb [laughter] which is not really the reason why the Muslim scholars said don't draw the picture of the pro.

Now similarly about acting you see the problem is um one it's that that because obviously it's not the prophet it's an actor the representation is not a real representation. Um the other thing is due to the sensitivities how sensitive Muslims are towards the the character of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam I would say this definitely should not be done because it will trigger an a tsunami of a storm and it would not be welcomed by any measure and in fact it would cause such an adverse reaction.

I wouldn't be surprised if somebody acted as a prophet and then somebody like this Khaled Khan or whoever we spoke of goes and kills him. So I would definitely definitely say that preemptively these things should never be done. Never ever. But I've given you the the kind of reasoning behind it but I'm now giving you my common sense perspective.

Never should this be done that somebody should depict or should they as Muslims if non-Muslims do it that's like if they drew the prophet there's you know obviously it's not the prophet we don't need to get all about it but as Muslims we shouldn't and as Muslims we shouldn't definitely shouldn't um kind of enact him like that in a movie that is um Mui what are your thoughts on Miy Adam Koseri from Leicester.

All right. Mi Adam Kri. This is Adam. I take it. The young uh Adam, right? I don't you see I've never met Adam at one point. I think he was quite active on social media. I don't know if he still is. I just haven't seen him recently on any of the uh social media things.

So maybe he is still active and my algorithms now just [laughter] don't pick him up. But yeah, you see the problem. I feel that maybe people like Mui Adam can see sense in a lot of things, but they're too um they lack the the courage to speak out or they kind of lack the the voice.

they won't like I don't feel people like Mu Adam or any of these uh MUIS would ever be able to speak out on any issue and challenge the like let's say the the Obundi background they would never be able to do it um they're way too buried in so therefore it's a kind of dead end for places like the Muslim the younger generation of the UK or the west these people are a kind Unfortunately, although I do feel u Adam, I remember a few years back I read a few of his things and and I felt that wo like he

seems to be somebody who is enlightened maybe within although he's not letting it out because he's worried about a backlash. And I I did I'd love to connect with him, but you see this is the thing like I think he would be too scared to connect with somebody like me just because of the backlash he would get from his own community. And Leicester is a very kind of hardcore dioy kind of like a village.

It's not a village, it's a city, but it's for the Muslims there. It's like a village mentality. They are like still in I don't know 1850. [laughter] The mutiny of 1857 hasn't quite happened yet against the British Raj. [laughter] So yeah. All right. So what is going on?

Mariam Mo. Hi Mariam Mo. Is it Mariam Mo always usually presents these kind of like salify answers like I I I get the feeling like this is like a like a hater that [laughter] I don't know if you are you might actually be a supporter so but that's the vibe I always get uh Mariam Moz but you do definitely always tune in so I have to kind of w dedication I like it you know this one I like it so Mariam Moes Your surname is a bit freaky, but where's that question gone?

All right, so I don't know why they named you death. [laughter] They got hired. [laughter] Let's give her an optimistic name. Death. [laughter] So, all right. So, where did the question go? Right. Please. Mi uh Malikis have rejected hadith that contradict Madin and Amal for the very same reason that Sheris have um what hadith are these that they've rejected sorry they've rejected hadith that contradict oh yes

of course of course the Shafi have rejected Mad and favor of sound hadith distrust of manh [laughter] Aa since let let me roll the sleeves up. Huh? This all right people. I'm going to let's have a few words on this.

Yeah. This whole hadith project of and and this whole ilk. [snorts] You see the truth is let's be honest. Yeah. Let's Nobody speaks about you know they speak about the chain they don't speak about the elephants in the CHAIN [laughter]

la this people this uh I have to get my [laughter] I'm going to speak about the elephant in the chain because first of all let me tell you I feel that look what's happened those of you that don't know this great hadith project that took place by and by the hadith project just to be clear about what I mean is the uh the kind of um [clears throat]

the sovereignizing of the isnad okay the this project the sovereignization of the isnad uh that takes place with and is voiced by Imam Shafi I don't know whether he came up with it But he's definitely one of the voice pieces for this thing. It is really to say that let's objectify the isnad. It's like a scientific approach to the isnad.

So we will now uh and I'm going to give you the backdrop to where this is coming from. What they are saying in essence is that when Imam Malik you see the hadith project had already begun. So the hadith project begins really uh I mean earlier on in the first century [clears throat] some people are quoting hadith but really it begins with people like the then it starts to get compiled

those people of Medina undermiz which is at the turn of the century 100 90 years after the prophet but is not being documented yet although some people may be speaking it within the next maybe 10 years it starts to get documented isnad as well chains so hadith exists at this stage the isnad exists so in the time of Imam Malik so Imam Malik is writing his m let's say it's for argument sake let's say it's um 150 hy so it's gone into the abbisid era

post 130 hy Islad exists. That's the chain. I'm learning from such and such who told me such and such. Malik has the chain. Other people have chains. Abu Hanifh has a chain. Now the issue is the chain in this stage is still subservient to the living tradition. So the isnad exists but we have more trust in the inherited living tradition of Islam.

So Malik, he lives in Medina. The prophet lived in Medina. 10,000 companions were buried in Medina. They taught their students who taught their students who taught Malik. He witnessed this. This is why Malik said that look the is there but Malik would often say this. This was his principle, the golden principle of the Medina school that this chain this oneonone will snatch the dean from in front of you.

it will snatch the dean from in front of you. He said we go with this mass transmission of the living tradition of Islam in Medina. Now that we call the sunnah so I im Malik had it's not like isnad didn't exist. It's in his m in fact he has the golden chain of isnad. Nobody can trump his chain called Malik from yet he brings it in the m and at times rejects it says yeah but this hadith don't know what it's on about.

So what happens is Malik has Medina. Abu Hanifh has Kufa. Okay not as glamorous as Medina [laughter] Medina. Medina but but he has a tradition. Abu Hanifh, he has Kufa, you know, he has uh his teachers, he has Ibrahim Al, he has all these people going back to Abdullahbn and other companions of Iraq.

Shroom has Iraq, you know, has um Sham, you have uh in Iraq, a lot of Sophiana Thori in Iraq. You've got these these traditions are going on like a living tradition. She is a young boy here. He doesn't count. He's just a little baby, little kid at this stage. He comes to Malik, studies a bit with him, then leaves. He's still very young.

as he matures and moves to Iraq. The problem is he originally affiliates with Malik and that heritage of Medina, which is cool, but when he moves from Iraq to Egypt, he realizes all these people in Egypt are all students of Malik and they've studied with him decades. I don't even count here. I just studied with Malik, you know, I was like a little kid when I was with Malik.

These people were old. I mean Wahab was 30 years with Imam Malikim 20 years Ashab 20 years Abd Hakam 20 years I mean you're not going to compete with a couple of years so he loses value now in Egypt he doesn't have the even though there were some companions but you can't have this living tradition because he wasn't from Egypt so this new generation that were emerging didn't have those same claims to tradition because they you see they couldn't say like with Malik he would say this is

Malik telling a hadith he would say it was narrated to me by somebody whose dean I trust full stop I trust him now it stops with because Malik has said it we have that loyalty we have that trust now One, he he couldn't really say well Malik Malik because here these people like you don't even know I imam Malik and two he couldn't claim any regional affiliation cuz he wasn't this region and people were becoming more and more cosmopolitan

they were moving around so they didn't have these regions to claim this kind of identity to this belonging see belonging is a fundamental aspect of human identity who do we belong to so what happens here is these people in that time it's around this time and with and remember Malik has now passed away um so we're going towards the kind of 180 hij 190 hij that kind of time they come up with this oh is what we're going to do is we're going to objectify the chain

sorry Malik when you say somebody whom I trust. Who does that mean? Who is this? You know, who who are these people? It's not good enough. We demand disclosure. We must know the name. You may be a great person, but we want to make this objective. The new sense of allegiance is to the chain.

Our loyalty now does not lie with Medina or with Kufa or with Bosra or with you know a certain Makkah. It now lies with the isnad. This was the great isnad project that was backed by people like voiced by people like and others. Now this takes off and then you have the huge second wave madith you know Bkari Muslim Abu Daw into the 200 HI and you see what they don't tell you though and this is where I'm going to speak about the

elephant in the room or the elephant in the chain which nobody's speaking about. [laughter] They're like Mal [laughter] you see when you go to the second wave muadin like this is remember going from like 230 hij onwards this kind of era uh you've got alibini abuim

you've got all the going right on right through the 200s into the 300s And you've got all of these great who are now the [clears throat] scholars of telling you this chain is fine because such and such is vouched for he's vouched for he's a you got with his book whoever comes he he's giving him a free pass

you know it's like everybody's in his goddamn [snorts] right so uh you've got this going on. Yeah. Now you see the elephant in the chains here is you know in their books of uh when they tell you which chain is the narrators are fine when or Ahmed Hal ornatim or uh all these people are transmitting that such and such narrator is fine Hisham is fine um you know they're going to say this is how uh Amash was this is how Katada was this is how such and such a Rai and these are very popular ones

but even not so popular ones this is how um you know was this is how all these people were they are commenting on them on their memories this is how Abu Khanifha was this is how such and such a person was here the question is how do you know because you're not telling us how you acquired that information because there's remember these people in that 200 onwards never met any of those people and they for the most part never met anybody that actually met them.

So like Hisham who dies in 146 hij these people in like 230 240 2 haven't met him they've never met anybody that's met him. So the question is when they say he is reliable when they say about anybody why is reliable? Oh is reliable? Okay, they are basing this information on somebody having told them must have their teachers who maybe their teachers told them.

So the they're basing this on somebody's information, but they're not disclosing who gave them that information. So we can't assess it. You see all they've done is taken the trust from Malik who told you beware of these one andone chains and when Malik says oh I trust I transmit in somebody doesn't name him but he says who I trust his dean and knowledge they say ah

we want the full name and because Malik isn't giving it we've taken that trust but this blind trust and they've just put the blind trust in this chain because when they declare these these narrators to be thick, they don't tell you how they came to know that they are trustworthy because mo an incredible amount of them have long been dead in a century before them.

So they're not disclosing to you, oh by the way, these are the names of these people who met them, who who assessed them and this is how they did it and this is how and even then there's a trust element. So this is the elephant in the chains. So this hadith great isnad project it look they did a wonderful they did I I'm not I'm going to commend the job the project they pulled off an amazing stunt.

I mean the the isnad um project is an amazing accomplishment. I'm not going to deny that it's uh profoundly executed with a lot of incredible you know amount of hard work that's gone into it. And for the most part it does look like it's something wow untouchable. But when upon closer inspection one will realize that there's so many gaps in the chain.

You know this is the the the you know the god of the is you know they say the uh the god of the gaps. This is the this is th that gap in the isn which that they're not speaking about. Nobody's speaking about this gap. And so in essence it's very similar except they've just made it they've packaged it so much better. It's like when Apple will package something it just looks so amazing.

[laughter] You know, they send you something and it's uh a thousand pounds, but because of the box and the way the box fits, you go, you know, [laughter] £1,000 well spent. And you might spend £80 on something else and it comes in and you're like, who even wants this? Huh? Who even wants that? [laughter] That's the But this is the um they packaged it.

They've done like an Apple job packaging of the Snad project. But the elephants are right there in the chain people. Right there. [laughter] So people that brings us on to uh somebody asked a question on thoughts on Anjam Chowri and Hassan Katani.

Yeah, I mean uh you see the the problem with Anjam Chowri is very clear obviously he's clear extremist. um what he you know [clears throat and snorts] people like that having the platform they've had is just suspect and Hassan Katani I've spoken about him in the past that look uh I've actually visited him once many years ago but at that time I didn't know I mean I knew who he was like I'd heard of him but I did not know that he was involved in the Casablanca bombings and things like that I had no idea Um, I

just seen some social media stuff and I was like, "Oh, wow. He speaks English and you know, he's a young imam and he's like this and so I went and I was like very, you know, it's like if you're not familiar with he's in Morocco, I'm not familiar with like the Moroccan politics and things like this." And so if you go to a different country, you're not necessarily privy to that. So I did at one point praise him but I retracted all of that uh many years ago when I came across all these things about his past and I realized I was really kind of shocked and and then it made sense really that h because I used to think

the more I got to know him um uh because for a while I was on he he had this kind of WhatsApp group and he added me to it and so for a while I was on that group. So this is going I think the years 2016 or something and then I think in 2017 I left it or something. But for that year when I was on this group I realized he used to have a very hardline approach very kind of like uh an extremist sympathizing approach openly like he wouldn't care like in the group and I used to think as well h this is a bit weird but when I

read I came across um oh why why is he so sympathetic to his and all these kind of people who supported military coupetars and Islamic takeovers And and then I I read something and I came across some link and then I followed that link and I Googled and it's all there on Google. He he was given a like a very harsh sentence of 20 years I think for as a terrorist.

He is a convicted terrorist. So and and he spent I think seven years but then got a royal pardon but he he never got a you see he wasn't exonerated. He just got a pardon for the rest of his sentence. And um yeah, so I had once I came across I was very clear that look, I do not encourage or support uh or or praise him or commend him and anything I'd said in the past.

I said that that was just unknowing like I had no idea who he is. But yeah, so but I don't think he will. You see, I know he teaches on social media, but I don't think he will openly now maybe teach these things until he's maybe, you know, when he gets a bit comfortable with [laughter] then he'll be like a chacha. Let me put a bit more masala in there. [laughter] Yeah, these cafir should take over take over any [laughter] but you should be aware of these kind of things.

That's that's my approach that any extremist sympathizers definitely the these people are poison. But yeah, right. Uh that's and by the way that's not his other brother. He has a brother Hamza Katani uh who used to have a Maliki WhatsApp group and uh with international people on the he's very Sufi and very kind of mellow and very very different personality.

But yep, let's uh move on. But I didn't have much left. Uh these super chats have still not had a response. [laughter] Sh. Yeah. I mean [laughter] this is the you know the what do you want me to say?

I mean the thing is that look it has its ruling. There was a disagreement on what was meant [clears throat] by that and the Hannfi disagreement on alcohol has always been there that they've said well if it like so most beers by Hannfi understanding are not actually considered of the Quran. So they say the of the Quran is restricted just to wine and that to a particular you know from dates and grapes that's it.

Um if I recall correctly it's just them two and everything else. you know, made anything made from honey or malt or wheat or these kind of things, any kind of um intoxicating drinks may be haram, but they don't but they're not by default haram according to the Hanufi Madhab. So, yeah, and they did get a lot of bashing for from the early scholars, but that was their kind of approach.

So they felt that anything like that if it's drunk in average quantity and it doesn't intoxicate you then it's not haram and hence the nab. Uh but then you see because this tradition has died off so we don't know exactly how intoxicating their drinks were in that time. That's another question. But I I assume that with these kind of beers and stuff that are only like or these alcohols that are only like 3% alcoholic and stuff 4% I think that the hannfies by their classical understanding wouldn't consider that haram.

Even though the today's hopes would but the today's hopes are not really hanfi hannfi in as the early h today they're just like cryptocuffy hannfi. [laughter] They're like weird like they they're going through like a schizophrenia. So they don't really have they're not true to Abu Hanifh. They're more just like a Salafi version of Hanifi today for the most part. For the most not all but many. Like the Diabundi school for example isn't really a reflection of Imam Abu Hanifh at all.

It's just a salifed. It's a reaction to Salifi Islam with the veneer of Hanfi. That's all it is. Yep. So cool. All right, people. You know what? We've got to start wrapping this up, right? So, people, let's uh this brings us to our beloved, our beloved people. Our beloved uh we've got here, so those of you that don't know our beloved, uh who is Baba Faridin, Baba Faridin

Gangelli? [laughter] Those of you that don't know Gangutelli, our own Ganguti, you still don't remember him [music] this. Let me present you. [laughter]

This is our own beloved. [laughter] [laughter] Gangelli. So people, God, you don't know what's been going down.

Oh my god, people. Oh my god. So this whole debacle, this whole fiasco, this tsunamic cataclysmic event of the and our beloved uh with a small D, the D all this D, this D began by somebody giving the D to this to this whole cataclysm.

[laughter] And that began because there's so many D's in this with da man. So da man is a D and there you've got this D. So the question this question is very you know. [laughter] So the question was the man got a hold of we've got to go back in time. Let's zoom back out people. Time travel going back a bunch of years.

2016 our man gets hold of Yaser Khadi's emails private email [laughter] and our man leaks it the whole world is which fast forwarding but we're going to go back there keep one foot there we're going to stretch the other foot back recently where uh our beloved Yas kadis made the [laughter] the tumhi the, you know, hame pucho the sad the sad kind of moment where he tried to have his epiphany and explained those emails and then dug himself a

deeper hole. But this goes back to that point the leaked emails. The leaked emails felt Yeah. Yeah. I was on a a group called I think it was they on a group called KR knowledge revival. Knowledge revival. Yeah. You guys invited me to knowledge revival. I came to knowledge revival and [laughter]

[laughter] so they called him to knowledge revival. And what they did was uh let me just take this. What what they did was they were preparing the D. [laughter] Da man was giving the D. But the question was that between the D and the D there's a link but who's this missing D?

Who's the missing link? So who leaked the emails? Who was leaking the emails? Years passed by. Nobody's so sure who leaked the email.

Allah. Allah. Allah. It appears. It appears. [screaming] It appears. Evil. It's none other. [laughter] in the background. It's Gangotilli.

Gangotilli was That's him sharing the email [laughter] with a small D. This is with a small D. This one say who's giving it to the other capital D. Daw man with a big D. Okay, [laughter] it transpires people that behind all these D's was Gangu Daily [laughter] with the big G.

This one. This one. So, it now appears, you see. Oh, no. All right. No, that's [laughter] wrong one there. Right. We've got his uh Let me just bring up his emails. So it's been recently uh Sheh Ismael Patel he revealed he revealed how many brothers wives.

So we've got this uh brothers have more than wife not one brother said [laughter] what's going on there. So, let me Can you see these? This right here is the transcript to the emails people that you can see that are on Ismael Patel's uh Facebook page where he's showing the emails between him.

He's finally only revealed them this week where he's speaking back and forth to Ganguti and he's kind of apologizing but at the same time saying I was in touch with a really big u this is another one where he's saying I was in touch with a really this academic one of UK's finest academics and guess who this academic is Because at this stage you're probably thinking who is this uh academic [laughter] [gasps] academic that he's speaking about is

Abdul Rahman Hassan [laughter] [laughter] Abdul Rahman Hassan was this great academic so he was sharing them with him. As you can see, here is part of an email that once again I do apologize to you for the mess.

Fared ala. Oh, this one. What? This one? Fared's full name Gangutili. Full name Alaja. What's this one? HUH? [laughter] Udu is [laughter]

I couldn't help it, people. I couldn't help it. I had to I had to do this. Okay. But this [laughter] kaja I didn't realize he was kaja kaja. Allah Allah allah.

So right here anyway coming back to uh these emails you've got it was leaked. You've got does bring it back in here. [snorts] He owns up. This did make me think actually. Was that what the TS stood for in his TS?

[laughter] You naughty naughty naughty naughty naughty naughty naughty naughty naughty naughty. So all this fitna all this drama come on like think about it. We're thinking you know Kadi has really dug such a deep hole that a portion of the ummah has drowned. [laughter]

That's we hear reports people have apostasized. They've had doubts in Islam. They've, you know, they've done all of this. Who was behind this? I would never have thought it was our very own our very own. Oh my god. Honestly, I I I I'm lost for words.

I'm at a loss for words here. This whole fitna was created by this Wahhabi. [laughter] this. What the hell was he trying to do? He was trying to save the ummah by exposing emails to Da Man because Dawan's friend is one of the best academics in the UK.

It's like mate do you understand the definition of academic def [laughter] calling Abdul Rahman Hassan who I'm sure is very intell he may be very clever being very clever in what you do learning certain things selfie books and doing these things does not make you an academic that's like calling Mullah Omar the greatest hippie [laughter]

it this is no link I mean, this just, you know, it's like or calling Donald Trump the greatest feminist. I mean, this just does not [laughter] it does not add up. So, yeah. So, I was like, whoa. Oh my god. I was like, [laughter] [gasps] so yeah, I had to do some of those to just think to get over this, man.

I just couldn't. I felt like this is [laughter] [music] this this is the thing. This is the thing people. Well, I had to share that with you guys. Fared leaks and indeed not only does Yeah. If only for this leak they had created a nappy that could have prevented.

Obviously look at this leak from Ganguti was enough to drown Yaser Khadi [laughter] and with him with Yasar Khadi trying to somehow paddle through the situation. Uh he managed to drown [laughter] a bunch of other people with him as well because of his magnificent explanation which was uh so terrific.

[laughter and gasps] So this is like wow. Oh man. This is just I honestly I just I did not see this coming. So I had to share that with you guys. I felt wo that is uh something guys. Let's wrap this up. We've been going on. Oh my god. It's uh it's coming nearing. There was a little something. I'll share this with you very quickly. I don't know if you've seen this. I you know come on.

This was to do with molana jab. I'll give you a little extended on the masala. I thought this isn't I think look Molana Tariq J is a very a genuinely a nice guy. He has in the past preached some weird stuff and I don't support that but I do think he's one of the few scholars who's tried to go cross sectarian and unite you know spoken for unity but there was this so they c got a video of him shaking hands with a girl and then they've put his speech conde speaking about morality [laughter]

[laughter] People are proper haramies though. Ain't it [laughter] [laughter] But I honestly feel that look it's not fair.

Malana Jamil Sav is is I do like him and you know he I don't feel it's haram to shake hands with women anyway. I've got a detailed video explaining that. But this is how people are. You know, they're waiting for that one moment. You know, this not nice, you know, like scandal scandal. [laughter] Oh, as they're always waiting and I suppose, you know, with Tar Jab, they've now seen somebody got a clip of him shaking hands with a woman uh with a girl and they're like, "Oh my god, oh my god, Jame's thinking [laughter] you invite me

here and sting up this one not nice you know [gasps] so people with that let's wrap it up you guys it's been awesome as always if you haven't uh already subscribed to my channels people then what on earth are you doing seriously what on earth [laughter] what the hell's going on here what have I

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[laughter] [gasps] we were thinking you small D but this one big D you know [laughter] this one giving D to the whole um these are the kind of people that sincere really do it that they mashallah you know before they give the whole deed to the whole um they they do voodoo [laughter] sincerity sincerity you know guys as always been absolutely awesome take very good care of yourselves much love go you know remember oh I never got to speak about that uh the series I wanted to speak about the

Netflix series next week we'll speak about that watch out. There should be some mine traps. I will try I will do a meetup MUI's meetup this week. Uh so watch out for that. Maybe I don't know maybe tomorrow night or n tomorrow's going to be too soon I guess. Maybe Wednesday or Thursday I'll do it on uh on YouTube whatever where you can where I'll take callers they can take calls coming in. Till then take very good care of yourselves

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