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Was there a power struggle in the early Hanafi school?

hadeeth ahadith ahaadeeth hadis hadees ahaadith mazhab school of law madhahib mazahib madhaahib imaam imams prayer leader hanafite hanafiyyah muftis muhaddithun muhaddithin muhaddithoon hadith scholar 'alim aalim ulama ulema ulamaa

Power struggles in the Hanafi school, Abu Yusuf, and Ahmad ibn Hanbal as muhaddith

DiscussionRecorded 29 Jan 2021MindTrap with Mufti Abu LaythSegment 11 of 22 in the recording2021-01-29-S11

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Mufti Abu Layth feels the early Hanafi school saw power struggles and that Abu Yusuf lacked Abu Hanifa's reason; the guest calls Ahmad ibn Hanbal the greatest muhaddith but not a jurist of the first rank.

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Mufti Abu Layth says he has said before that he feels there were power struggles early in the Hanafi school, with Abu Yusuf rising to become chief judge, and that he does not see in Abu Yusuf the champion of reason Abu Hanifa was, though he is sure he was a great scholar. The guest compares Imam Muhammad to Ahmad ibn Hanbal, whom he calls the best muhaddith ever, more so than Malik, who was a polymath while Ahmad was a specialist. He says early authorities did not count Ahmad among the jurists, that his madhhab was gathered by al-Khallal [?], and that he spoke critically of reasoning, whereas Malik himself initiated his school's principles and Ahmad's were developed by his followers. He adds that he is preparing a book and is struck by Ahmad's knowledge of hadith.

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Um normally for for how long time do you hold this um this type of um um we're we're with you. We're holding your hand. You walk we are with you. [laughter] No, no, don't because it's it's nearly 1:00 in the morning, you know. Uh, right. Yeah. I mean, okay. Normally, I mean, we've got plenty we've got plenty. I think we've got plenty of time, but if you're feeling tired at some point, we can wrap it up, and whenever you say, you just give me the signal, blink twice, and I'll be like, "Okay." Yeah.

50:40

Yeah. Yeah. Because because um really we do have quite a lot of very very um interesting topics but for that I have to be fully fresh you know. Okay. Sure. But there is this the reason I asked about the Hanfi thing is because I have said previously that look I feel that um there w there was power struggles that took place in early in the Hanfi school. Um obviously I imam Abu Ysef rises to become the the chief judge of the entire Muslim world.

51:12

Um I don't see in Abu Ysef the the same personality of Imam Abu Hanifh even though I'm sure he's you know he's a great scholar but I don't see that kind of champion of reason the way I Abu Hanifh was. No obviously I immaradis. Yeah, because I and you see that muhad for me he's similar to Ahmed Hal obviously I do consider Ahmed Hal as the best ever muhadi seriously the best ever muhadith yeah best ever mu hadith before I used to think that Im Malik is much more above

51:51

Ahmed in hadith okay in but but but [laughter] Malik is higher not in hadith because Malik has got many other time to disconnect. [laughter] Yeah, I Malik has um has um many other knowledges you know. So because of that he's polymath but Ahmed Hal is mono you can say monotype you know okay and if you know for example to and quite few of other specialies they do not cons the early ones they do not consider the you know as isn't it?

52:29

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So because his even opinions is and even you know his own uh you know you have the great humbly he it's it's actually transmitted by humbly is that it's him it's kalal who gathers his madhab and makes 100% isalali actually you know but ahmed hal he was great muadith okay top muhadith without any doubt okay sure yeah but obviously for example but I im malik he was very strongly inclined towards hadith but he was mushed you know in all fields

53:06

of course of course whereas um whereas I he was top hadith but in terms of reasoning he very critically you know negatively speaks out about the reasoning so why why why we should class you classify him as like a faky and you know the you know he's very critical of uh but then it's weird because his mab is kind of a bit skitso because sometimes they full on musla.

53:34

Yeah. Yeah. Later later scholars they are the ones who made that you know just diverted you know. Yeah. But for example in terms of Malik. Okay. So I im Malik himself initiated all of these principles you know because he was he was a very intelligent person but Ahmed Muhammad he did not initiate most of these you know principles but it was done after him you know by his followers but by him he was top scholar even in one of the um one of the conversations he says that um when even

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in the field of hadith he says we were unaware of until came to Iraq. I have right now. Yeah. Yeah. So which which makes him you know however he's the best mu hadith ever in especially by reading you know going through his mad. Okay. So now because I'm preparing the next book okay so it's just incredible his knowledge of hadith.

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Hadith means you know um um uh collecting the hadith of course that only I I've had a little uh uh um I've stirred a little thing on the musnet. I have a small clip as well which I've called Musnet gate uh where I've argued that the the Musnad of Ahmed isn't really the Muslim of Ahmed but it's uh yes is the one that's putting it together.

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Mufti Abu Layth. (2021, January 29). Was there a power struggle in the early Hanafi school? [Video, segment 2021-01-29-S11, auto-transcribed, may contain errors]. Mufti Abu Layth Archive. Retrieved November 1, 2026, from https://muftiabulayth.org/r/rtwywca2-pq/s/11/
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