Recordings › Magic: Myth and Reality in Islam by Mufti Abu Layth · 15 Apr 2018 › Segment 9 of 9
Exploitation by 'babas', and the solution: proper help and mental health
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machinesummary, machine-writtenMagic healers exploit desperate people; seek real help from your network or professionals, and communities should take mental health seriously.
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Mufti Abu Layth says this matters because of the ruthless abuse and exploitation carried out under this banner, mentioning a YouTube video of a 'baba' in the Midlands who rubs oil from his foot on women and charges large sums, and saying desperate people want miracle solutions, like a drowning man clutching at a straw. He recounts being taken to such a baba when ill with jaundice while studying in Pakistan and finding he offered nothing of use. He says the solution is first to seek proper help, from one's social network or the relevant professional for health, economic or relationship problems, joking that jinn masters could simply add zeros to bank accounts or raise Pakistan's GDP. Second, he says communities must tackle the social problems and cultural practices causing psychological harm and embrace mental health rather than shun it.
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Mufti Abu Layth says the solution is to seek proper help from one's social network or the relevant professional.
“the solution is to seek proper two things want to seek proper help from either your social network or from if it's a health issue”
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amount of abuse I mean you heard stories now about people just owning up to stuff saying look I have to do this because I need money for it I need you know there's a I've cited this before somewhere in the Midlands this some Baba is on YouTube where he he does this whole thing with putting he dips his foot in oil have you guys seen the videos that go he says he'll in oil and then rubs it on usually the women's bodies and and then they get and this is it's on YouTube and and the charge ridiculous money and they charge and and even when you look at the guy okay I'm being judgmental but I mean I don't know the person but I would really
doubt that they have any understanding of Islam that goes beyond very superficial I mean I could be totally wrong and he's an a llama to hadith and he comes out and says what are you talking about that whitney made these mistakes in his but i doubt that the thing yet but people fall for this time and time again because people want miracle solutions you see when you're desperate like it is true that when you're ill you will want anything you will just want a solution and if somebody said there's this a i remember reading in this poem person saying about the the drowning person
it's enough for him to just clutch onto a straw like he gives him some hope that's like even though the strong ain't gonna save him but it gives him some hope and and to these people when they've got an illness and somebody says that okay why do you go to this baba i remember once i when I was studying in pakistan i got jaundice you know the yellow the hepatitis a whatever so your eyes go yellow and everything in the hole and I remember like obviously they told me all this can take weeks and somebody said hold on or I know like a don't worry I know somebody I'm take you to him and don't worry you're gonna get better and I thought like a her beliefs
turn but this is it I was so desperate for just to because it was it was horrible it's just like the feeling was like you just can't do anything you just you can't eat because you throw up you nothing has any fun in it you can't just lie down because it's horrible lying down you can't do anything it's so so I said okay just take me just take me anyway just get make this finish and they took me to this guy and I when I saw I thought the guy was gonna give me some herbs and stuff and maybe you never know like maybe they've got some he was one of these kind of Baba's that they take me to and and he had this thing and I thought he's gonna give me that herb he had this kind of herb and everything
in this pot and he goes no he's like and it's kind of Champa this guy um I was like it's alright man state me back and so but but people when you're desperate you want a solution and this is where this market then opens up to people and it's done under the name of Allah and His Messenger and this is why it's an affront and it's it's it's a duty I feel to kind of clarify these things and the solution is to seek proper two things want to seek proper help from either your social network or from if it's a health issue whatever it
is or if it's an economic issue or if it's a relationship issue you know the reason you've gone bankrupt isn't because somebody's don't RVs on you because then like the chef said come on seriously how diff in this digital day and age digital day and age how difficult is it to just add a few zeros to your bank account that come on that's gotta be easy like people could say in the past okay transporting gold to the other parts of the world but they stay in it come on if you're such a jinn with I mean a jinn Don with like 30,000 gene or you've got all these kind of you just say listen it's add a few zeros to my bank account it doesn't does this ever
happen you know like countries like Pakistan which are roaming with jinn Baba's and and these kind of college are doing stuff like I've said why don't they just double and triple the the country's GDP one has got look listen this this week I've decided to take out to help the country so this week we're going to Pakistan's GDP just shot up people because sign baba or so the thing is that this anyway so this is the the kind of thing to look at this with reason so that's the first point the second point is that we need to focus on greatest social issues that are actually
damaging this that things like like general communities that and the issues all going on because like chef spoke earlier on as well things like within families there's a lot of this kind of like nonsense or just things we've got a culture of it and we all know these kind of things and they're causing problems they're causing psychological problems with people this needs to be tackled and mental health needs to be kind of embraced as opposed to kind of shunned right now the way it is so may Allah make things easy so with that
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