Magic: Myth and Reality in Islam by Mufti Abu Layth

bismillah and we will have an extended inshallah Q&A so I know some of you may have questions picking up from what share has contributed just to clarify first of all on the definition of magic you see magic when we say the word magic it can mean many things including in the English language as in many other languages it's not so an aspect of it could be like a like a like charm that

is discussed as magic something amazing is seen as magic something or striking like poetry is not magical I mean this kind of you could see something like a beautiful scenery and say that's magical we're not discussing anything to do with that just to clarify this is not in that sense magic is not a problem when when you when people say this is magical or it's they had might Wow that that is not an issue at all even deception and trickery and

illusions are not the issue the issue we're speaking of is what is referred to sometimes as fantasy magic okay fantasy magic is the problem so can somebody turn a toad into a prince this is what you read in fairy tales this is Magic which we all consider to be absurd up until the point somebody stamps religion on it and then all of a sudden it becomes okay actually makes some sense all of a sudden which is I mean this is what seems to happen so there are so

that's just to give you that understanding that is what we are dressing with in Islam all the ulama as even are sure and many of these are the great Memphis arena of highlighted for Athena Rousey and other people all the scholars of Islam have accepted that the general usage in the an of magic is referring to the non-fantasy so it's referring to illusions and things like that and that people have no problem with and I'll just expand on that just in a moment this fantasy magic some ulema did accept given their day in

age and they believed certain things and this some hadith of certain Sahaba that they put forward saying oh well aji you know that so-and-so when the Jews know such a word that I I know certain things some of the Sahaba said and I think I was right or the Elohim transmitted as well that if I was to tell you that they would turn me into a donkey and stuff like this so these this kind of thing that people took literally and some scholars believed you can actually have chemical property change you can change things I can change this class into a chair I can do things like that and people actually believe this and

shockingly some people still continue to believe this till today under the banner of Islam so with that thought in mind let's just stop and understand what does the term say how to actually mean in Arabic because when the Quran came down what did it actually mean the Arabs used the word Seher generally now the Arabs actually didn't have a culture of magic so you find many of them first sit in will touch upon this that the Arabs in in the time of the prophet muhammad salallahu alaihe salam and before him didn't have a culture of magic and they didn't believe generally that they were

magicians they had a concept of magic there's a difference between a culture and a concept they had a concept that a magic is like all this wizardry and all this stuff and they believed that magic existed in the ancient times the co-learning and these the Babylonians and and they also believed that the Jewish people had a strong tradition of magic like what and whether it's the same Kabbalah tradition that has come or not but they did believe this the Arabs at the time thought they had this kind of thing about the Jewish people being magicians and being really good with the magic tradition themselves they use the term seller

generally to mean something that is inexplicable like if they couldn't understand something they call itself so the Arabs would call a if if there was a land that ought to be producing ought to be fertile but it was barren like it wouldn't produce any produce but it was perceptibly okay they would call that Artemis hora a magic turnip on land because they couldn't explain it as a goat or something that wouldn't give milk although it looks like it should they would call it an sermons for Mustafar are like a goat that and just

to give you that concept okay now so the Oh Lamar they expand on magic being of different categories what could we just to provide a bit more of a backdrop here we know that in the medieval times and and as this is developed as this thing of Merit magic I've explained illusions that's and I've said that the olam I accept that that is the main understanding in the Quran but what else could have magic fallen under surely everybody wasn't just doing illusions you know when when they say oh he did a magic trick on him and he made him split up with his wife and he caused

destruction on this house and he made this person die and this wasn't just all an illusion so what was this so many of them of a serene like Farah Dean arrazi they categorize all these categories into like eight or so categories and even assured further summarizes them into three and this is the same thing reiterated by chef Mustapha bin Hamza as well a very famous leading Maliki scholar of the world now the these three are that people when they did magic they this is what they were doing the first one what they called it the ethereal

Neve Sony or Touhey me that it was they were causing some kind of mind-control like you heard examples from the chef a moment ago about things going on in India things doing things causing a kind of mind-control that's people are really good at having this what falls under this as well as hypnosis having the ability to create hypnotic trances so people they buy into what you're doing and you see this on TV shows and things like these people are doing hypnotic kind of trances on people

and stuff like this the second category is what called like a kaffir in Arabic which is like potions or chemicals people use these so sometimes you can find today we've got chemicals but historically naturally found chemicals which these people would have used so for example you could find naturally found a minerals and things like lithium now lithium is a mood stabilizer right now somebody could be like let's say somebody some woman comes and says oh my

husband you know he's always in a bad mood and he's doing this so he says look here's this water I've blessed it and I've done this and he's got some minerals through trial-and-error like let's say lithium and things like this now the husband is taking that and is actually working because it is a mood stabilizer so it would stabilize your mood it doesn't make a difference so the person is like wow this is magic in a similar way things like aphrodisiacs things like this were used Oh so-and-so doesn't love me my husband doesn't love me here try these kind of try this try that right

and aphrodisiacs create all oxytocin inducing drugs so oxytocin in the brain is the neurotransmitter linked with the whole lovey-dovey feeling so when people are in love the brain releases an huge amount of oxytocin or a certain amount and you and you create this kind of bond and everybody's just so happy and they just you know the whole world should be about peace and forget about war and it's all that that's oxytocin in the brain so if you just flood that out there in the world we'd have a lot of peace so the thing is now if somebody gets something today you could use chemicals that induce oxytocin

but in the past certain plants and things that they found that induce oxytocin as an example would make you very lovey-dovey so if somebody was using that on a partner that person would naturally be very oh the magic is working so you get all of this and you heard earlier on this you know sometimes safely jadoo or Bengali Jo and we used to see all these adverts in Pakistan in Karachi and stuff like this you know maboob avocado pear and you know this and I just come in and here every love will be at your feet and so these kind of potions was another technique that

people would use remember they may believe that it's blessing but today we've actually got explanations of how they work and the third one category is what they call shot weather which is like illusions and trickery and like magic tricks that you see on stage and illusionist Derren Brown and people like this doing all these kind of tricks that look Wow and amazing except you know today these people will tell you they may not tell you how they did the trick but they'll tell you this is a trick yeah this isn't like like you heard the sheriff say they turn paper into money and do all of this and turn something into an iPhone and but it doesn't really work like that that's and that's common

sense okay just - so this is what magic in essence was and how it was now the claim for any fantasy magic is absolutely absurd now when we take a look at the Quran there is a verse and I'll come back to that and the sheriff already spoke about that one the heart and marut kind of verse but looking at the other verses that are all speaking about the about magic they're usually to do with moosa aleihsalaam because magic was such a big deal in his time such a big deal it was the thing of the age the magic and and

when moosa aleihsalaam addresses them that he says that look all you've done is this is just a kid or sir here so the attitude to it said is it's thing like this is just a plot or the work of a magician well I usually hear Ohio utter magicians I mean and this doesn't mean you flee as in success success success in the Archaea and stuff like this it means like it doesn't mean anything but what does this even mean like it's nothing that what you've kind of brought here and you see Allah uses the verse in the Quran that when they

did the magician said okay we're gonna do let's have an event let's have a showdown Clash of the Titans is going down so they're so they said we're gonna have this and Pharaon said call the you know that Don Sahara and they came and the Don magicians and they set a time as well they were very specific with what time da ha has to be early morning and I'm a first sitting right because a lot of what they were using was things like Quicksilver which reacts to the sunlight at a particular time more strongly and so it's interesting how they explain this but now they have this this magic

thing and they do this and and Allah mentions what you hate yellow Olay him that well you hate you know that this is only a hi al this isn't it doesn't really have any kind of reality to it that you hate yellow la him in Sahara him and Natasha it looks like they are animated and moving that's in another verse Allah says was Sahara our union nurse that they did magic on the eyes of people once again referring to that but I wanted to and Musa Alisa I'm addressing this as well with this whole thing of look at your attitude

I bring you half a car I bring you I talk alone a little Hawk tale Imagi I come that is that how you treat the truth when it comes to you is that you say to it as a Sahara nada but this is just magic the magic meant just nonsense now an interesting point here to mention is that a lot of this depends on the ominous effect the ominous culture that we get scared like when we see something so you heard a story earlier on you know people

couldn't explain this they saw you know somebody the great Indian rope trick and and they freaked out now it's this freaking out that plays into this culture but this freaking out is in a way very human and I think it's important that Allah mentions this in the Quran then but you know that they did this for Oh Josephine FC here see Fatima Musa Musa al-salaam got afraid slightly when they did this it wasn't that that you see some of them for Syrian said that oh maybe got scared because people are gonna start listening

to them but you see like for Adina Razi transmits from Hassan was sorry that this was a hobby ie it was a natural fear and that's okay that you can you can be afraid like if you see something you freaks you out rationally you see look you can walk down in your house you can no nobody else is here and then all of a sudden a floorboard creaks now you can know nobody's there rationally you can know it but you freaked out you could think is it paranormal activity am i starting in starring in Episode

five or whatever is the thing is you see it's natural you can think like that that's so this is important that Allah mentioned that to show that people will be afraid but it was still a high al it didn't make it real it was still a high L just to kind of highlight that and many Allah my you heard people the chef mentioned the names of allah ma addressed this some allah ma have highlighted that this was the understanding of imam abu hanifa as well that way highlighting that there is no you know it's just an illusion nothing beyond that there were people obviously you've heard quotes from even haslam a voice hapless for a Eenie

you've got people like even assured who I quoted most of all Marathi shall to the great Musharraf of al-azhar and people like this as well have added to this discourse showing that look this isn't a reality okay so it is important to see that but weirdoes if we trace back into Islamic history let's go right back to the this thing that I said that the Arabs believed that the Jews were really had a culture of magic when the Muslims do did Hydra to Medina right the Jews said this rumor got spread that they

have done magic on the Muslims that no Muslims can have any that no Muslim that no baby boy can be born to the Muslims so this was the rumor that was praying and you know what for months on end all the women who were pregnant giving birth there was no boy to be burnt born so this story to reinforce the belief that maybe they have because we you know the Jews they really good at magic so up until you see like I believe almost a year goes by and then Abdul Leibniz

obeyed but they allow on whom I is born now this is why the Prophet was so happy when he was born not just because oh look it's it's great you know he's born guys is that you know yeah we proved him wrong but that this belief of these could have in essence destroyed for certain people the concept of tawheed of the true understanding of allah being in control this was it's a key pillar it is the pillar no key is the pillar of faith so it's important to

understand that you heard this whole thing about magic being done on the prophet sallahu salam and you heard chef go into you know some excellent good a good explanations on that and and giving a good background and a backdrop to that i just wanted to add to that first of all this incident this incident is narrated that hadith is classed as you've heard Asahi I mean it is transmitted whether it's in Bukhari and Muslim and the rewires of it about this Jewish person called libido blossom who apparently does this magic on the Prophet this is what the whole

thing and this is the story let me tell you the story the story is that the Prophet from some narrations 40 days to general popularly six months he is out of it and and the Prophet doesn't know up until the end he's made a way that oh actually this is a magic spell done unto you by la Vida blossom who is this la Vida blossom we never really hear of this character again he comes and disappears with this story pretty much now he's done magic on the Prophet and then depending on the narrations somebody goes to this well and they realized that in the hadith in Bukhari

mentions been immersed on wah wah shot ah there's the comb with some hair wrapped around it's usually it's always here here is so ominous that it's always used in all of these magical tricks I mean sorry in these magical kind of stories it's always they got some hair and scattered here everywhere but anyway so there's some hair in this well and then the Prophet they take this out and everything's better during this incident this alleged incident the Prophet is reported to be forgetful clumsy all is a pillar that this is how they described him the incidents go to the facts

sexually impotent they go to the fact incredibly clumsy that he could and forgetful that he couldn't that he would miss Forge memories of sexual encounters with his wives in saying oh they he believed he did have sex but they told him no you didn't like this to this extent I consider this an affront to the honour of the Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu leaves a lemn as Muslims it is a disgrace that this literature that this concept is not being floated around by non-muslims or by people but by

Muslims themselves are prepared to compromise the honor of the prophet muhammad salallahu alaihe salam on hurling all these insulting comments at him in the name of some kind of oh no but it's it's a hadith and and I'll get to that in how I believe this hadith has oh this concept not a hadith but this concept has been preserved so this is the understanding and you've heard the verses of the Quran when Allah says that calleth ollie moon those press it the tyranny of their oppression the

inter turban owner allah raja lemah surah now you only follow a man who magic has been done on - so tell me and people will say yeah but that was before in Makkah well if it could happen in in Medina why can't it happen in Makkah why is the idea so absurd why is Allah saying that you know that look at what they look at the kind of nonsense that they're saying why is it so absurd the way allies addressing it called Ballu you know the loose Sabeel that they've lost the plot but yeah if it happened in my team the other thing is how do we distinguish them between hadith as as

you heard chef Akram say that the Prophet for six months is engaging in things how do you differentiate between hadith normal teachings that the Prophet was doing in this time and magic and people could say well oh no Allah protected him during the religious pots so it's a bit like the papacy you know the Pope effect so the Pope according to the Catholic Church is infallible he's protected when he's speaking about religion only so this but that's that's such an absurd and arbitrary statement because especially considering the fact that the Prophet himself in these narrations is saying he apparently he

didn't even know magic was done on to him so now somebody could say well yeah true these verses of the Quran do say that you know in total unilateral dilemmas hoorah and Allah is condemning this and Allah says as you heard the verse many times Allah who yeah simul come in earnest Allah will protect you from people go forth you know spread that man and people say ah but was the profit protected in the Battle of a hood during his teeth get damaged so why didn't a la protect him you see there is a distinction let's just clarify there is a clear

distinction between the apparent physical phenomena of this world which we can ourselves engage in so if something is coming to me yes it can hit me I know what it is I can defend myself as well I can do that this I am fully conscious of I'm engaging in my world but if we're speaking about the unseen which I have no idea of I don't even know it's happening that is absurd because how am i smart because according to this the bet because according to us the best of creation is the prophet muhammad salallahu alaihe long and he doesn't

even know so for mother look happiness you know what do you think about the rest of us but we've got no hope if if the Prophet himself cannot be saved from the unseen we're not talking about the physical realm because there you can defend yourself or set up mechanisms but so this is where that statement is just absurd and you heard that this hadith as the chef said that it it doesn't matter if it's in sahih Bihari asahi Muslim the hadith clashes with the Quran the hadith

is unacceptable meaning allah ma of Alesana have highlighted and problematized this hadith including you heard over carol just saw sighs min what animal Hadean oh it's misconstrued it's a misconstrued event as you heard some good examples actually and i like the example about maulana or Haider Dean's kind of comment because I thought that's a it gave a real life but such a true statement of Wow how people can mix things up and so now I wanted to also a good point here is tell me if the Prophet could say on this in this

Haditha yes I engaged in sexual into no I did and the wife saying no actually you didn't then what about those testimonies that were done before the Profi about people doing a crowd about Xena you know like nice and these are the kind of testimonies we have way they said oh I committed Xena and they're getting punished because they believed they did but surely if the Prophet himself could believe that he did and get it wrong according to this hadith then how can other people be held to account and they're not prophets where does the host where does the whole

chapter of testimony go this is such a dangerous kind of door or portal that that has been opened unfortunately so where does this come from one understanding you've heard is that this is a misconstrued event I believe it definitely is misconstrued but some another key ingredient maybe and I believe that in the time we know that there was obviously and this isn't a kind of an anti-jewish thing but there was at the time there was some clashes with some Jewish tribes of burning on the air and Haber and we know that this

these issues did have they didn't always there wasn't always ups and downs but there was as well quite a few towards the end of the life of the prophet sallallaahu I leave Salem I believe that this was a cup this rumor was also spread by some of the Jewish people why because you see in the time of Musa magic was at its peak according to them and the Jewish people were known for magic and they you see this thought that wait a minute our prophet Musa despite the best of magicians coming to him

couldn't be impacted in the slightest by magic yeah your prophet muhammad salallahu alaihe salam one of our very own did magic on him and impacted him for months on end you tell me who is better another part that adds to this narrative is there's another story which once again I do I personally do not accept in its entirety is the fact that the Prophet was poisoned well the way it's described I'm saying I don't accept it now once again by a Jewish woman you see

that not only do we poison your prophet and he can't be defended and some Muslims argue shockingly that even he eventually died because of that poison the Prophet died eventually several Muslims argue this is shocking now so the Prophet has had magic done by a Jewish man lebedev lassen who by the way does nothing happens to lobby the blosum there's no consequences he's never heard of his not punished and this in my understanding may be an indirect or an indirect kind of attack or a question mark presented by Imam Malik when he

presents the hadith in the Matta he ignores all of these are these but presents the hadith that the magician ought to be punished because if the magician ought to be punished then why wasn't lobbied they will ask them punished nothing about him nothing he just walks nothing about him after that now let alone the fact that the Hadi in the hadith when the Angels read Maya was attained cool out a bit of willful applause better been asked these are mucky sewers the Prophet already knew these sewers so okay the Prophet apparently forgot the maybe at that time the benefit of them oh they were reminded to him this is what the the

story is presenting in addition to their happens to be a hadith that Montes abraha be Sabbath Amati Najwa that whosoever eats seven a java dates a day Lamia dora who someone wanna see her this is apparently the prophet teaching this that anybody who is these dates cannot be harmed by neither poison no magic the two very things he then gets harmed why this is a mockery of Islam and it's an insult and an affront to our beloved messy

sallalaho aleyh wassallam now how that wait a minute the Profi is teaching this and then he's impacted by the to the both very things that he's actually teaching people or this is how you stay safe from these things he actually gets impacted by them and so uh so I wanted to just shed some light that this is utterly this is unacceptable altogether now the story is definitely either made up or misconstrued I do believe that is definitely misconstrued along the way it sounds actually very I love the input that the chef gave about his hands rewire about Bella honey and how this

may have then become transmitted as his famous chain from you know his father from Aisha because Imam Malik cuttable birth daddy transmits the Imam Malik never can allow your vehicie that he would he wasn't happy with his sham because especially since he came back from Iraq and what he used to transmit Khateeb al-baghdadi transmits from certain people that Imam Malik never used to like him and like his transmissions but I'm not saying I'm just pulling that in there as a little question mark I'm not saying you we have to reject all these transmissions or anything but it's a question mark to see hmm this is interesting now so so just

to to to highlight that I did want to say that okay well people might say okay if look today we've heard chef economy say you've heard other allama if not shoot most of all Marathi all these shells to the ulama of al-azhar all these people saying look no magic wasn't done on the Prophet and this is all like this but then tell me there were many great alumni in Islam hypnagogia or imam no we called the ER in all these great people legends of islam couldn't they arrive at this simple understanding that you guys have arrived at or you guys you know got

access to some special in what kind of pre-workout drink are you guys on so the thing is how is it that you know this and it wasn't obvious to them so i want to explain that to explain that i need you to just slightly just take a step back mentally and just try to understand what where I'm where I'm coming from I want to speak about orthodoxy for a moment what makes mainstream beliefs in Islam and I think this would be a beautiful topic for another day as well in full detail but what makes because in the time of the

prophet Mohamed Salah listen there wasn't we didn't have a list of beliefs the Prophet just said in the hadith Iman is just believing in these five or six thing you never said more than that today we have Creed we have a list going now you miss one of them you're out of Islam in the time of the Sahaba there wasn't a list there wasn't like if you went to Omar rahat table and said what what a Muslim supposed to believe in yeah they'll say believe in allies messenger as in the hadith these books you know and afterlife that allies absolutely in control things like that's it there's no there isn't gonna be like all

these these details and so so okay but people might say hey but in the time of the Sahaba things weren't developed fine okay let's move on turbot aim okay Hadid start to get documented let's move on again at about October in time of Imam Malik are things documented now Imam Malik from him transmitted as volumes five volumes of the Madonna dealing with all muscle buying selling married divorced speaking about sectarian things how worried she are martyrs Allah this this

is does he have a belief system no did he mom Alec ever teach you what Muslims ought to believe as I believe no they don't have it did Imam Abu Hanifa recollect bar is not Imam of a honey Facebook it's attributed to him and by I mean it's actually more or less the work of some of the Huaraz means who came after this did Imam Abu Hanifa know this in fact the word Allah Sunnah didn't even exist so what define the main body of Muslims usually okay there's some good work done on this usually the dedication to hadith as a movement as a social movement

became the this is why mom Abu Hanifa took a lot of slack because he wasn't part of that clique so to speak but the people who dedicated themselves to hadith became known as the main body the orthodoxy anyway moving more importantly this extremist group emerge in early Islam in the time of the turbo enan at about a being known as the martyrs illa why I say they were extremists is because they believed by committing a major sin you were no longer Muslim they said you weren't kaffir but they came up with a purgatory state you were a man's illa bima manzil attained this is the first thing that split the MARTA Zilla

from the main body of the muslims then they went on to develop other beliefs along the way as they started to get more sophisticated over the generations because the main body of Muslims had dedicated themselves to hadith work these people relied more on language on literature and then sometimes just common sense and reason now the issue was that the Methuselah started to make some matters a point now the moment they made it a point it became theological

turf war there was turf war going on now so the moment the martyrs Eli believed in something we have to hate it all now this still happens today with all the other groups the mozilla came up with this they used to mock a lot of things with normal allison whatever they were up and downs debates but they mocked this concept as well there's no such thing as magic ah the martyrs are saying of what are you talking about of course there is magic they say well no there isn't this is nonsense this is this in the Quran Jesus

ah even the Prophet had magic done unto him you see this was retrospectively reinforced as a narrative to support the sectarian turf war that was going on and it just people became blinded the fact that was it compromising even the honor of the Prophet but it's just that what's important is we prove this point an example is like you will get like let's say in a good one now it's calmed down but in the subcontinent Indian subcontinent maybe a decade and a half ago this huge big thing about

roughly thing or maybe two decades ago roughly then became this huge thing and people because the seller fees at the time were people who generally and some chef is but we're doing roughly then and it was seen as well so people start to say Oh to do this is to be a Wahhabi roughly then it's got nothing to do with the Wahhabi group or the it's got nothing chef for a year to roughly Dane DeHaan ability roughly Dane the Maliki ado roughly then there's nothing to do with the Wahhabi Salafi movement but it became it became a victim of theological turf war sectarian this kind of

sectarian warfare so now people try to hate all roughly they do you know why people did roughly Dane because in the time of the Prophet the mana fifteen used to hide these little statues in their armpits like this and these to take them to the Masjid so they can keep their gods close to them and and saw the Prophet and this is found out and said or do roughly then they're gonna fall out this I heard this story myself this story I don't know if you guys have heard it this is this is look the point is why are you over doing it awfully Danish from the for bottle of Salah some do it some dog why the big deal big

deals not because of real filadyne big deals because the wahhabis are doing it so we have to be different we have to attack any a good another good example three the locks let's take the three thalaaq as an example now the three the locks in one modulus minority opinion but it's existed in every matter every single meth happens at this view starting even the hanafis with al-razi over kerala Rossi and and other people and you've got sorry Mohammed ignore Makati la Rossi and you've got in the Malik here several people said in the Sharia the Hannah Beulah every mother said it okay may not have been the popular view

but every Mother's Day oh but because the seller fear made it their view though hobbies made it their view oh now all hell will break loose so now oh my god it's the worst kind of Xena this is this your house will be cursed do not expand I get the amount of cases I'm sure chef gets tons of cases I the amount of people that speak to me about this oh you know and they're so guilty like that you know I want the relationship to be saved but I can't because you know I've set the lock three times and you know they've told me this

is the worst kind of Xena this is like this this is like this and I've gotta do halala and this is another industry that opens off he assumed he adult industry that kind of comes off from this but the thing is now so this why why you will this harshness against the threat alocs is it because a 50 masala no because of the sectarian a good example muta with the Shia or wiping over the feet or the socks same thing what I in itself is not is a 50 debate in essence I mean generally most polymer will believe it

to be Haram some may not but it was in essence something to do with thick to do with marriages it wasn't to do with al-qaeda in fact it was the understanding of it not a per se more uneven or Hussein and I think jabber are gradually and other kind of people from the Salaf but but what was oh the moment the Shia had it it now became a sectarian Matteson you have to destroy the Heller of the argument and you have to be as harsh as you can and the same thing happened with magic and jinn possessions and all this kind of stuff

because the Motta's illa held a stance Alesana retrospectively re-engineered our narrative to fall in line with this to just bash them to hate on them analyst so now were generally early day is very proud of reason but the moment Montes let's start to use it they start to bash on reason and say you know none of this makes any sense so these were the key things that I wanted to kind of address the this incident of her root and marut that is used in the Quran once again just bringing it to that Allah

mentions that that they were that what was revealed allowed Malik Ain right and this is generally understood as angels and according to Abner Percy's reading Malik cane the two kings and this is what many of them offer serine say is Suhail mana this is what the meaning is that these were two very pious people in in Babylon that they were so pious that they were seen as angels so people perceived them as angels and that's why they've read as angels these were not actual according to this understanding

they were not actual angels that came down and was sent to kind of teach people and became these kind of stars in the sky or whatever this kind of story that circulated is nonsense they were these two people that were teaching with what were they teaching those categories of magic that I said you know like of what is hypnosis what is mind control what is this maybe these kind of inducing chemical inducing things maybe stuff but they were telling people look listen and people are saying wow you are something else because what what is clocks third famous Lord the popular thing that any sufficiently advanced

technology is indistinguishable from magic any sufficiently advanced technology is always indistinguishable from magic so these people have this they've got this skill which to people is like magic so they like you know you guys are something maybe you're a god and they like local or not know if it's not tuned so that took for you know like this this is just don't let this try you like become a test for you I've got these skills and in the head in the IMI you for a raccoon abhi he been on more it was all it doesn't say how they split the people

you know people would use this to split people look how would this one way is like this I get my doll and I stick needles in it and and this guy this is happening over there this Quran doesn't say that you can make people split through conspiracies through backbiting through mind control through kind of like with mind control and hypnosis you can actually embed commands of hatred sometimes how do you people go to cognitive-behavioral kind of therapy CBT to want to quit smoking how do they help you quit smoking they embed command commands into your subconscious about hating cigarettes and stuff like this

and it works with several people so so these kind of things you can make people have a hatred this many ways it's not just I pick up a doll and stick needles in and get here wrap it round squander it or whatever throw it into the air and get a black goat and Stroke it three times and you know like this kind of this is our understanding of magic nothing like that has come from the Koran asana so I just wanted to highlight these things the hadith I did I think worth touching up on the surah what I did mention the seven dates that the Prophet said in a hadith which is in Sahih Muslim that mantra sabaha be service a Marathi Najwa

most of the people who commented on this didn't did not accept this hadith in that understanding so even people like call the yard and all these people who come afterwards they said maybe the Prophet was speaking about something in Medina exclusively and in fact Imam Missouri in his commentary on Muslim before worried the Muslim gives a very good understanding and he says he says that maybe he says Allah who that was in the prophet's time over there because he says that I have not known and not understood he says that I do not know

bestir maha shiva with Erlich fearless amanina he says I do not know that that kills people today in our day and age like this so look how were looking at hadith and in my understanding this hadith was hyperbole it was it was just hyperbolic he was emphasizing the benefits of date of date so if I was to say to you something like boy you really need to buy this phone it's so awesome it'll make you forget everything so when the Prophet and this is the kind of thing that even a whole dune and these and other similar scholars highlight about the medicine in

the time of the Prophet they say when the Prophet was addressing these think this is what so when the Prophet is saying that these dates are so good that it would even kill magic as that's and it's like it's it's hyperbole it's like trying to say that it's so beneficial and you see that in another hadith intermedia the Prophet said Peyton or Darin Latimore ephyra Jian Alou that a house with no dates in it its people are just starving because the dates was such so cool and even though our we said in commenting upon that he said that this

didn't mean dates that's just because the Prophet in his environment was dates he said nano villa I feel under loose we in al-andalus a Muslim Spain would say there are on Latino feeha the house which has no FIGS Junior on a low that is family or starving because that is our common kind of fruit like that so so just to clarify and once again the reason why this is so important to just some de is that because of the amount of abuse and exploitation that is conducted under this banner it is ruthless the

amount of abuse I mean you heard stories now about people just owning up to stuff saying look I have to do this because I need money for it I need you know there's a I've cited this before somewhere in the Midlands this some Baba is on YouTube where he he does this whole thing with putting he dips his foot in oil have you guys seen the videos that go he says he'll in oil and then rubs it on usually the women's bodies and and then they get and this is it's on YouTube and and the charge ridiculous money and they charge and and even when you look at the guy okay I'm being judgmental but I mean I don't know the person but I would really

doubt that they have any understanding of Islam that goes beyond very superficial I mean I could be totally wrong and he's an a llama to hadith and he comes out and says what are you talking about that whitney made these mistakes in his but i doubt that the thing yet but people fall for this time and time again because people want miracle solutions you see when you're desperate like it is true that when you're ill you will want anything you will just want a solution and if somebody said there's this a i remember reading in this poem person saying about the the drowning person

it's enough for him to just clutch onto a straw like he gives him some hope that's like even though the strong ain't gonna save him but it gives him some hope and and to these people when they've got an illness and somebody says that okay why do you go to this baba i remember once i when I was studying in pakistan i got jaundice you know the yellow the hepatitis a whatever so your eyes go yellow and everything in the hole and I remember like obviously they told me all this can take weeks and somebody said hold on or I know like a don't worry I know somebody I'm take you to him and don't worry you're gonna get better and I thought like a her beliefs

turn but this is it I was so desperate for just to because it was it was horrible it's just like the feeling was like you just can't do anything you just you can't eat because you throw up you nothing has any fun in it you can't just lie down because it's horrible lying down you can't do anything it's so so I said okay just take me just take me anyway just get make this finish and they took me to this guy and I when I saw I thought the guy was gonna give me some herbs and stuff and maybe you never know like maybe they've got some he was one of these kind of Baba's that they take me to and and he had this thing and I thought he's gonna give me that herb he had this kind of herb and everything

in this pot and he goes no he's like and it's kind of Champa this guy um I was like it's alright man state me back and so but but people when you're desperate you want a solution and this is where this market then opens up to people and it's done under the name of Allah and His Messenger and this is why it's an affront and it's it's it's a duty I feel to kind of clarify these things and the solution is to seek proper two things want to seek proper help from either your social network or from if it's a health issue whatever it

is or if it's an economic issue or if it's a relationship issue you know the reason you've gone bankrupt isn't because somebody's don't RVs on you because then like the chef said come on seriously how diff in this digital day and age digital day and age how difficult is it to just add a few zeros to your bank account that come on that's gotta be easy like people could say in the past okay transporting gold to the other parts of the world but they stay in it come on if you're such a jinn with I mean a jinn Don with like 30,000 gene or you've got all these kind of you just say listen it's add a few zeros to my bank account it doesn't does this ever

happen you know like countries like Pakistan which are roaming with jinn Baba's and and these kind of college are doing stuff like I've said why don't they just double and triple the the country's GDP one has got look listen this this week I've decided to take out to help the country so this week we're going to Pakistan's GDP just shot up people because sign baba or so the thing is that this anyway so this is the the kind of thing to look at this with reason so that's the first point the second point is that we need to focus on greatest social issues that are actually

damaging this that things like like general communities that and the issues all going on because like chef spoke earlier on as well things like within families there's a lot of this kind of like nonsense or just things we've got a culture of it and we all know these kind of things and they're causing problems they're causing psychological problems with people this needs to be tackled and mental health needs to be kind of embraced as opposed to kind of shunned right now the way it is so may Allah make things easy so with that