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Why the Quran could not be corrupted like hadith, and the fashion for chains
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machinesummary, machine-writtenCorrupting the Quran was next to impossible because it was recited en masse everywhere; hadith, written down a century later, were easy to fabricate, and chains for the Quran came later as a fashion.
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Mufti Abu Layth asks what obstacles someone trying to corrupt the faith would face: an addition to the Quran would have to match its universal style, context and rhythm while it was recited everywhere, and he says the Satanic Verses attempt flopped because it clashed with the overall message, so such an effort offered little return. Hadith, by contrast, were not part of the living tradition and began to be documented about a hundred years after the Prophet, when many false hadith were already circulating, and one only had to say 'the Prophet said'. He says the Quran was never transmitted through a sole transmitter but en masse, while chains were documented from a decade or two after Umar ibn Abd al-Aziz and scrutinised well but not infallibly, so a hadith that clashes with the Quran or Islamic principles is abandoned. Comparing it to the spread of 'stories' across social media apps, he says chains became a fashion that spread to grammar, poetry, fiqh and the Quran as something decorative, which he values as a collector's item, and that later people naively assumed the Quran was transmitted only through chains.
Position stated
Mufti Abu Layth says the Quran was never transmitted through a sole transmitter but taught en masse, so problematising hadith does not problematise the Quran.
“if you problematize hadith then you by default problematize the Quran no you don't at all the Quran was never transmitted through a soul transmitter it was just taught on mass”
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come and a maddie will come and all these things and then there were a lot of teachings fabricated to consolidate the state so the omega dynasty came up with a lot of rulings that would help them like when they wanted to take over india it's it's very convenient that all of a sudden is a hadith that the prophet said all the great battle of india so these things were just teachings of convenience so there's a lot of reasons why people fabricate something so now this is important that we clarify that now let's just pause that for a moment
it's come back to come back to the working working board here people what is the problem I ask you what is the problem or the challenge is a better word with trying to push your false teachings into the floor and what do you think would be the problem if if you were a person pretend you are a person who is intentionally because if we take the the worst-case scenario first we can deal with the other cases but by extension easily so those people who are
intentionally premeditating an attempt to corrupt the faith they want to mess up the teachings of Islam what would be your challenges if you would to add verses into the Quran you know very well that that will not fly it would be so difficult why number of reasons one or an is so widespread people are reciting it all the time so if I wanted I don't know say add a
ruling into the Quran I have to match the entire context of the Quran so let's say I want to invent some hadith to support the state of Bani Omega the Umayyad dynasty now I can't just add a verse of the Quran saying hey and they will be a great dynasty call Bernie Omega because the Quran it's not its style to speak like that so this becomes very difficult the other thing is the Quran does not often delve into tiny
issues it seems to have a very universal approach it's speaking about things universally and fabricating a universal is very meaningless like you know if I want to fabricate a universal ruling the problem is so many people read the Quran in different parts of the world all these people read it it's part and parcel of the tradition I have to then make sure this thing matches the exact style it matches the context it doesn't go against the overall message of the Quran so some people did try this with the Satanic Verses
and it flopped why did it flop because it clashed with the overall message and people spotted it as a contradiction and so that the return on investment here is very little it's not worth trying to corrupt the Quran in that in that you know with that in mind because you're not going to get much back out of it okay this however is not the same with hatty the hadith don't have account the hadeeth were not being taught from father to child they were not part of
this living tradition unless you know maybe a one-off story may have been but hadith weren't had he'd start to get documented almost a hundred years after the Prophet by that time many false hadith are in circulation for me to make up a hadith all I have to say is the Prophet said whosoever doesn't watch Monday nights with Musti has lost out on a great big fortune for example that's it trying to add that in the Quran is
impossible next to impossible why because one the Quran doesn't talk about things like this in general so people will spot it - I have to match the rhythm that nothing the flow of the Quran I have to choose a particular surah to add it into then people are all reciting that surah in different parts of the world it wouldn't really fly so this is why people did not corrupt the Quran in that way it wasn't it wasn't a project that they could see a return on investment in so when people say are but
if you problematize hadith then you by default problematize the Quran no you don't at all the Quran was never transmitted through a soul transmitter it was just taught on mass that's it now yes when the hadith culture takes off the hadith project becomes so powerful that it has it posed in to many other aspects of Muslim tradition so the way in hadith you have a chain so this chain and everything started to get documented
over a hundred years after the Prophet so when hadith were first documented in the time of Omar Abdullah zis hadith the chains weren't being documented but then within a decade or two after him people start to document the chains and then they started say well that person were not so sure if he's reliable or that person and that way and they did a great job of trying to scrutinize the chains but it's not infallible okay so it's still susceptible to error it's prone to error it still does have some mistakes
that's why whenever a hadith clashes with the Quran or clashes with the principles of Islam we abandon that hadith because there's no way could have clashed with this now later on this hadith project becomes so fashionable that people start to have chains in everything you see becomes the thing it's not like it's like like I give an example you know snapchat for example has stories had stories which were so
the stories that you have the 24-hour stories which are still they became so fashionable that all other social media outlets started to adopt stories you know a Facebook Messenger has a story instagram has a story bloody everything you know Microsoft Excel I would probably have a story so my everybody just takes up something that starts to really take off now in a similar way once the Hadees project became a dominating project which it did you see everybody even if you're learning Arabic grammar which is not nothing think about it what is Arabic grammar got to do with
a chain of transmission but all of a sudden they to now have chains of transmission oh I took this from my teacher who took it from far ah who took it from cursory you took it from I mean it's nothing to do with you know who cares it's grammar but no we're gonna have a chain of transmission in it oh where did you learn this from I learnt it from here where did you learn this poetry from I took it from him who took it from him who took it from this Imam Shafi is poem so this chain of transmission is not just as a superfluous event not as something carrying actual meaning as a
trend it trickles into all other sciences which were just normal teaching normal thing and some were part of the living tradition so thick for example people say well if you don't have hadith how do you know how to pray because it was part of the living tradition see the living tradition predates the documentation of thick it was just what the parents taught their children and it was part and parcel of the Muslim community so this fit now all of a sudden people start to have a chain in
it oh where did you get it from I got it from him who got it from him oh wow I like this chain don't get me and don't get it I don't want you misunderstand me I like this as a as a kind of as a décor something decorative of our legacy I like it too I obtained recently in the last few years a chain of transmission in in fact even though fit is really the chain doesn't mean really anything but it's it's nice it's a collector's item to people who are part and parcel of this tradition so
what started to happen is the Quran to people started to transmit in chains late you got it from this guy okay I'm gonna take his name I'm gonna take his name now some people centuries later naively began to assume that the Quran was you
to kind of write Southie I don't know why this is happening just bear with me people but so some people naively thought that because the Quran has a chain as well now oh so it must have been taught only through chains the way hadith was taught that is a mistake on their part that's like saying because Arabic grammar had a chain so everybody who ever knew Arabic grammar knew it because he must have studied it all through this one guy who taught it through a chain that's ridiculous
so I hope that shed some clarity on this on this kind of fallacy that the way hadith was transmitted is how the Quran was transmitted it was not the Quran was transmitted as part of the living tradition was transmitted on mass hadith was transmitted as a tea as an institution so people sat down and taught it so cool so I hope that explains that I did feel that that was very important to kind of cover let's
let's move on people
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