Recordings › A Reply to False Messiahs: Mirza Ghulam Qadiani! -Mufti Abu Layth · 15 Jan 2019 › Segment 6 of 6
Final thoughts: mental health, persecution, free speech and the victim card
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This segment35:37 to 40:53 · 5 min 16 sGeneral teaching
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machinesummary, machine-writtenMufti Abu Layth condemns any persecution of Ahmadis but says criticising their beliefs is free speech, not persecution, and that not calling them Muslims does not amount to persecuting them.
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Mufti Abu Layth says he genuinely believes Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was mentally unstable and finds his followers' passionate belief more surprising than his claims. He says the early Ahmadis were extreme in declaring other Muslims kafir, which is why Muslims reacted harshly, and that he condemns any persecution of them while calling the constant playing of the victim card nonsense. He rejects the accusation that mocking the claims means supporting killing or terrorism, saying that Ahmadis have the freedom to say God sent Mirza and Muslims have the freedom to criticise that. He says that not declaring Ahmadis Muslims does not add to persecution, just as the wrongful persecution of Christians in some Muslim countries does not require calling Christians Muslims, and notes that Ahmadi websites call homosexuals sinners while claiming not to be homophobic. He repeats his shock at days of trolling, expresses sympathy for anyone with mental health difficulties, and signs off.
Position stated
Mufti Abu Layth condemns any persecution of Ahmadis but holds that criticising their beliefs is free speech, not persecution, and that not declaring them Muslims does not add to their persecution.
“i don't justify and i condem any persecution of them i condemn that but i'm being honest look just playing the victim card all the time it's just nonsense”
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so anyway so this is the story so look this is the background of uh and i actually genuinely believe that he uh was that was uh was actually mentally unstable so i i think it's really more uh surprising so i don't find sometimes his things as surprising as i find that of his followers that so passionately follow him i'm thinking come on seriously you acting you really he believes that god used to say
i love you too behave [Laughter] can you imagine the angel that came to give the message and then it got to him and it's like it's like sure this this is [Laughter]
so anyway right so anyway so this is so my my message is that look these things are legitimate that he actually said these claims and you know the early cardianis were actually very extreme that they were declaring the rest of muslims kaffir so this is why then the rest of the muslims reacted harshly against them and i don't justify and i condem any persecution of them i condemn that
but i'm being honest look just playing the victim card all the time it's just nonsense right like you you get so for example i said to somebody because i took the mick out of because they were cursing me so i took the mick out of this so somebody said to me oh you support killing you support terrorism i thought [Laughter] like are you even listening to yourself [Laughter] like can you stop being such a drama queen that look yes i am against and i think most muslims are against any persecution of anybody
but the truth is that by saying that oh saying things like this is not part of islam is not an act of person that's just freedom of speech they have the freedom of speech to criticize islam and say these things that god sent him and god the prophet came to punjab and god said i love you to him and all these kind of things that's freedom of speech and we have the freedom of speech to criticize that and say well that's just a joke i mean why would god be busy saying i love you to some guy in punjabi and in english i mean you know that just doesn't add up so it doesn't mean that oh just because you're against
so some people would say oh but if you don't declare them muslim then that adds to the persecution no it doesn't because look christians are also persecuted which wrongly wrongly persecuted sometimes in muslim countries it doesn't mean now you have to say every christian is a muslim if you go on the kardiani websites i went on their website they very clearly themselves condemn homosexuals they say homosexuals are sinners that's what they say even though they say that look we're not against they say that we're not homophobic but they say homosexuals are sinners i would say calling homosexuals as sinners is then contributing to the
persecution of homosexuals so why don't you call homosexuals non-sinners and just you know call them blessed and call them like what so you know why is it you're only playing that game with us muslims and and and by the way they were trolled they troll other musl this is what i was just shocked about they were trolling me for god's sake they trolled me for days on end i couldn't believe it i was like shocked anyway i was shocked with the so that was my uh so anyway people i think we've gone on quite a bit i think the gym session is calling me uh but i thought i'd introduce you to our
guest today golam hariram you know so look obviously he had i think issues so you know anybody who has mental health may allah make things easy for them we obviously sympathize with these things but obviously but if they don't have mental health but they just have confidence like our smart hariram serial kisser what
that's the confidence i want in life honestly that's the confidence right people with that i'm going to leave you to it have an awesome time till next week any issues reach out to me inshallah take very good care of yourselves stay blessed inshallah salaam alaikum stay awesome
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@misc{abulayth-2019-01-15-S06, author = {Mufti Abu Layth}, title = {{Final thoughts: mental health, persecution, free speech and the victim card}}, year = {2019}, month = {1}, date = {2019-01-15}, howpublished = {\url{https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/s/6/}}, url = {https://muftiabulayth.org/r/decxag9d9g8/s/6/}, organization = {Mufti Abu Layth Archive}, urldate = {2026-11-01}, note = {Segment 2019-01-15-S06, auto-transcribed, may contain errors} }
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