Recordings › Age of Aisha (ra)- Mufti Abu Layth · 11 Jan 2017 › Segment 8 of 18
The reports: Hisham's Iraqi transmission, Madinan silence and Asma's age
hadeeth ahadith ahaadeeth hadis hadees ahaadith malik ibn anas malik bin anas imam maalik imam malik ibn anas imaam imams prayer leader muftis haram haraam sahihain saheehain saheehayn the two sahihs hijrat hijri madina al-madinah madeenah yathrib ulama ulema ulamaa nikah nikkah nikaah nikah nama nikahnama
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machinesummary, machine-writtenThe six-and-nine report rests on Hisham ibn Urwa's later Iraqi transmission and no Madinan compiler carries it. Asma's reported age makes Aisha about eighteen at her marriage.
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Completing the Uhud argument, Mufti Abu Layth says the six-and-nine report is transmitted by Hisham ibn Urwa, the son of Aisha's nephew, whose transmissions in Iraq were criticised by Imam Malik and, he says, by hadith scholars including Ibn Hajar [?] because his memory was affected later in life, and that this report comes mainly through Iraqi transmitters. He says that although al-Zuhri appears in some chains, no compiler of hadith from Madinah, the Prophet's own city, transmits the report, and that Imam Malik, a key student of al-Zuhri, does not. He notes that another Madinan in a chain, Abd al-Rahman ibn Abi al-Zinad [?], also transmits that Aisha was ten years younger than her sister Asma, who is reported born twenty-seven years before the hijrah and to have died in 73 AH aged one hundred, which would put Aisha at about eighteen at her marriage. He adds reports that Aisha accepted Islam before Umar and that Mut'im [?] referred to her as a jariyah, and says that scholars already reject other dated reports in the Sahihayn, such as the Maymunah and Abu Sufyan reports, when they clash with the wider narrative.
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Mufti Abu Layth holds that the six-and-nine report rests on Hisham ibn Urwa's later Iraqi transmission, is not transmitted by any Madinan compiler, and is contradicted by Asma's reported age, which puts Aisha at about eighteen.
“you backtrack and you take away 10 years and it makes Aisha you're talking in her late teens at the time of her marriage whether she was approximately around 18”
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of the Muslims were desperate for as much help as they could get right so the prophet forbade om did not even attend the battlefield so you tell me who would be more helpful in doing things like providing whether it was getting the artillery to the to the fighters removing the injured dragging whether it was having to move bodies would a N9 or a 10-year-old girl be more helpful in running around dragging bodies moving things or at least a 14-year-old
boy so at the very least the prophet could have said okay look you can't fight but we need all the help we can get so why don't you come and at least help those who who are participating with with their weapon or prepare things or move the wounded or why didn't you help with that I mean he could definitely have done more than allegedly a 10-year-old girl on a battlefield but he's prohibited altogether he's forbidden from from being present so that is this is not just oh right that is actually quite that is very interesting and compelling so these are
some of the Hadith of uh that that this that the Hadith inkari of aa's age at Mar clashes with let alone the fact that this Hadith Inari is transmitted by who is the son of the nephew of Aisha but what is and Hisham is criticized by people like Imam Malik for hisi that he that are transmitted by people of Iraq because it's known that he went there although he went there on certain occasions but the the many scholars of Hadith including haar
say what he transmitted in Iraq if it's solely outside of Medina it has been problematized because they say his memory was affected at a later age now this Hadith generally of IAM is transmitted mainly by Iraqi students or Iraqi kind of transmitters now somebody here could say well look uh you know well it does have other chains and and and that's true it does and somebody could highlight that wait a minute isn't there people like I shab who is from Medina and so on transmitting this
Hadith they are but no Medina now this is an important concept no Med documentor of Hadith transmits this Hadith at all and this was the city of the Prophet no person who produces Hadith I don't mean a person in the chain but who produces Hadith in Medina reports this that Aisha's age at the time of a marriage it's only predominantly or it's only people outside of Medina that transmit this that report this I know I shab is in the chain but I shab has countless students of Medina including
Imam Malik is one of his key students does Imam Malik transmit this no do any other people from Medina transmit this that are producing and documenters of Hadi no somebody could say yeah but what about there is another Medan uh person in this chain known as uh umn ab zad and he transmit this transmits this and I know that people have criticized him but what's interesting is he is also the person who transmits Aisha's age in another uh reporting in relation to her elder sister
Asma and he says that AA was 10 years younger than Asma and that's an important thing to go to that when we look at the age of her elder sister right Asma it is reported that she was born 27 years before the migration because she's one of the before the Hijra because she is one of the people that helps the prophet during his migration she brings him food and Abu Bakr food and she's very helpful she's referred to as in in the Islamic kind of history as well now she was 10 years
older than AA and we know as Abdul and other people say she passes away in the year 73 hij at a 100 years of age and you backtrack and you take away 10 years and it makes Aisha you're talking in her late teens at the time of her marriage whether she was approximately around 18 now that is something important to see also the fact that certain people have documented that AA was one of the first people to have uh become Muslim that her
Islam was before the Islam ofar there's reports about that too there's a report which I the when we were looking at the reality I highlighted that when Abu Bakr went to speak to mut and say look do you still want to we are we with this engagement he actually and this is in uh this is in the of he says he refers to her then as AAR and aaria we know from the Arabic language is an elder girl now you now people could argue oh this is all
metaphor but why is this metaphor like yes there is this this report that has come we're not denying that this report hasn't come but there are several other Hadith as I highlighted in the premise which are in these books which the refuse to accept that are to do with dates or to do with marriages like the marriage of the prophet in sah Muslim the scholars say that's a mistake Abu sufyan did not they refused to accept this Hadith the Hadith of is they refuse to accept that Hadith they they categ
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