If we all recognise harm, why do people still do terrible things?

the other needs the instinct for power the instinct for other things override our empathy. So it's not about raping that people wouldn't know. Like let's say a woman is crying. They would sense the empathy, but the instinct at the time would override it. So they they just wouldn't care. They'll block it out and they'll just do what they want to do. Or if you were saying about killing someone, if you said about killing children, it's not that the cries of the child, they don't register it, but they would just block it out and just just go ahead with the attack.

So I feel over time and the other component that I add which I suppose is a bit u maybe a bit woohoo to people is uh is the fact that I because I believe consciousness is the ru I feel that there is this kind of uh like a connectedness and as societies evolve over time uh there's a kind of even though it's very low level but a kind of like a feedback of the feel the kind of zeitgeist that you were saying that you know in a day and age people's like it's interesting how today racism in the west now is uh even though

it's unfortunately still there in in in several places in some places more than others but it's considered like horrible and even people you know even people who sometimes let's say in the west if they've done something they will take offense to even if it has stemmed from racism but if you said to them oh you're racist. They would find disgust at racist like oh my god like I'm not racist.

And whereas let's say in the '9s or the 80s this wasn't there. Now has is this just simply a result of one is it a result of just more advertising and propaganda and raising awareness or is it so just telling people it's information saying this is wrong don't do it. Or is it that as with the last few decades the kind of consciousness what I would feel is that the the feel has changed and so people have now it's not that they've read so much about it but they just feel that that's wrong.

Um and I obviously that part is really difficult to explain because the first part is obviously I can use evolutionary studies and I can use psychology but this is just my but yeah I I mean that was just saying if you wanted to say something about that but I also wanted to tap into uh you'd mentioned Quran the story of Israel and I wanted to come to that but yes sure uh yeah so I'll just say I'll end with one point which is I do agree with you that I think we can understand spirit as probably a it's the symbolic word for consciousness.

I think religion is describing consciousness. So I agree with you there. That's that's a probably a good theory uh that I agree with um that I lean towards. I don't know for sure but but I believe that the only point I would say is as far as this shared consciousness, I'm not [laughter] well I'm not I'm not discarding this idea completely. But what I would say is the problem you would run into is um then how come in let's say in North Korea where those ideas don't reach through mediums you don't have that change in cultural views.

So I think you have true but uh but in any case I I just just toal sure just to get I'm going to get in trouble. I don't know. I'm not an expert of moral. No, sure. I just wanted to uh Yeah, absolutely. But there was just this verse which I wanted to say before and that was it really ties in so well there and it sums that up is that when Allah says that really all God is commanding towards is justice and a compassion.

And it's interesting that the justice isn't expanded upon. It's kind of just said justice as though you will just know what justice is. enjoy the good and forbid the evil. Uh you know there's no mention it's like what is known as good. So uh this is this is a very good point that you've raised and this points us in the direction of hey maybe we should look at what these early Islamic rationalists these muzzes what they're saying. So what what I taught in my when I was teaching my course I do it in a more neutral way.

Now of course you can read between the lines and you can tell where I lean. And this is like behind the scenes where I'm actually giving you my views. But in my in my class, I didn't, you know, I took a step back. Sure. But what I what I think a lot of students realized was, hey, I kind of agree with the Muzzlies. Their views are not that crazy on these issues. It just makes common sense. Um, so I I think that's why we need to go back. I think I want to move away from Sure. Sure. Sure. I mean, it's okay.