Does using reason in Islam make someone a Mu'tazili?

argued was halal many of the people after him argue this then it falls out of flavor with many of the people but the shia continue it so they're just getting targeted as as part of this theological turf war that hey look at them look at them prostitution blah blah blah blah blah you know temporary marriages so in a similar way the material that what defined the material was the fact that they said that if a person commits a sin he is no longer a muslim this was what

defined them they also said that god has no real control uh or does not dictate any um you see they they said that god is not in control of the kind of evil that happens in this world and also what ties into that is that god is duty-bound to serve what is always good so these few points which are a bit intricate so for example let's say you did a good deed

uh god is not all powerful enough to i mean he is all-powerful but god is now duty-bound to make sure that you find a blissful afterlife whereas sunnis mainstream sunnis always held that god is omnipotent and he's not duty-bound he does what he does but he's not duty-bound if god wants there will be no afterlife for example now according to the martez that's impossible because god because you've done the good deed you have to be rewarded so therefore there has to be

that god is duty bound to recompense and so these issues are what split them off it was nothing to do with reason nothing to do with oh they were rationalists but what happens is as islam progresses and muslims progress in the next 200 years or so because a lot of material happened to be gramerians and also philosophers they did argue some points with the sunnis so what they did do is gain the upper hand from a point of reasoning

like they made some of the sunnis feel dumb on some points so what the sunni reaction was oh but you're using your aqua and this was a dumb point so obviously when they said this to them just owned it and said well yeah because islam tells us to but sunnis used to also own it prior to this point but when around the 4th century of islam sunni started to fourth and fifth century sunni started to say well oh because they were taking a little beating in some debates so they started to say oh but oh wait

you know you're trying to use your aqua your intellect and they said okay here sunnis tried to say oh but the deen isn't built on intellect and they started to pump this narrative just to get back at them it was all a reaction that's all it was and later subsequent generations just inherited this but if you go back before that debate so let's say you go back to the time of the salaf you go back to the first 200 maybe under 300 years of islam you will see

that in the early times many sunni muslims in fact some of the earliest people to claim reason and to own it were sunni was sunni islam so these this difference of reason was not a matazili point hence all the great philosophers of islam were not mata zillia were not mata you know obviously before his thing but hindi farabi these people were not i mean i suppose some people could say well some of them were from the shia

ibn arush who was maliki who's you know somebody who i'm inspired by take a lot of my roon he was never you see it does not mean to follow your reason you are mata zilla this is later on people like ibn tamir he really spewed this on steroids it's like he injected himself and he would just bash on anyone using reason saying oh my mother had long died before ibn saying i mean this they didn't even they didn't even exist in his day and age

but this retrospect it's like i give an example it's like today if somebody says something you start calling them a communist ah you're a communist you're a communist i mean communism isn't really around today and by saying something you're not actually a communist you know it's not like if you say look i think they should be let's say like like in the uk this should be a national health service as the nhs exists and it's great now oh you're a commie you're a commie why why do you believe that the government should provide this that's communism communism you see this is what ibrate mia was

doing he was just like any person that was using his cease to exist way before ibn staff writes that looked haven't existed for centuries that in our and he's from the six hundreds he says that the mata have long died out but this is what they used to believe so i hope that helps and the reason i kind of went on the explaining that is because on many occasions you will get this kind of uh dirty tactic

by muslims who can't handle your debate so what they say is oh just call yourself a different sect and therefore we can disown you and we don't need to deal with you because if you say why would i say i'm a mata when i'm not that's like me saying i'm a roman catholic why would i say i'm a roman catholic so you say oh but you use reason well what don't you use reason you know you know what's that even supposed to mean the quran instructs you to use reason

so they say oh yeah but uh you know but do you say so you say well is this in the quran sunnah no oh who told you which one to take then oh our dada ibn taymiyah well last time i checked ibna taimiya wasn't god and he wasn't the prophet he was however somebody who suffered from mental health issues and albeit you know still performed on on many uh rulings greatly but he was someone who obviously suffered throughout his life you know for god's sake

why why should we be taking him to be so supreme