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Are people basically good, or is the system the problem?

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Personal peace, goodness in people, and corporations driving human destiny

DiscussionRecorded 10 Jul 2020MindTrap with Mufti Abu LaythSegment 19 of 38 in the recording2020-07-10-S19

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Mufti Abu Layth sees goodness in people despite immorality; the guest says the problem is a system run by corporations, not individuals.

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The guest says there can be no global peace without personal peace, pointing to depression as an epidemic, unhealthy nutrition and the work ethic and entitlement of millennials, and suggests Mufti Abu Layth sees a good future because he is a good person. Mufti says it is not about personality: those who lose optimism have often been through things that marked them deeply, and while his own life has not been rosy, stepping back he sees goodness in people alongside immorality. The guest gives the example of a drug dealer outside a mosque who moves to another corner when asked, saying gangs live by codes, and argues that the problem is not the individual but the species, which is no longer in the driving seat of its destiny. The guest says corporations, legal entities treated as living bodies, now drive humanity, so that even a good banker is caught in the system.

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suffering I mean somebody suffering from a terminal disease to somebody just suffering from the pangs of day-to-day life you see yes people are suffering but I mean how does that they're not I mean people are equally that kind of suffering they are equally at some kind of peace as well there is some kind of you know there is a there is a sense people do there are amenities there are I'm not saying things are it's our paradise but it's not a hellhole either just look at the individual level right like okay let me break this down in it may be a more simple way

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until there's not individual piece of personal piece there could be no question of global peace right the people have to be at peace but when you say that peace what what do you what what do we mean by when we say at peace what do you see levels when you look at depression as an epidemic when you look at the type of nutrition we're having meaning it's not healthy for us which means it affects our minds it affects our bodies it when you look at our worth at work ethics of the Millennials for example when you look I mean you you can you can look what what is the work ethic of them of the villains what's the world

1:09:29

just just quickly I mean oh okay right and there's a sense of entitlement that the Millennials seem to have so my my feeling is I mean again this has to do with maybe you know maybe you're a good person you see a good future I don't think I don't think it's not at all sure it's not it's not about me trying to say oh I don't even see this like let's say whoever has this view it's not I'm not seeing in them this a reflection of their personality but they obviously

1:10:08

must have been through certain things in life which I mean we've all been through challenges in life but it has imprinted on them much deeper to the core that they have lost a sense of optimism for Humanity like they feel that humanity is just spiraling downwards and I do see that as well I see you know I've I've also been through you know I hate things haven't been rosy in my life but but I do see that you know like stepping back that that's not necessarily true like people are just as good as well you know you see the goodness in people it is there but yes there isn't immorality

1:10:46

that is there so I can see a drug dealer in our streets for example right and I see good in that person he's the one who's bringing the weed for you you like thank you yes I should I see the good in me for turning up on time good we got a mustard here can you please not sell your drugs and he'll be understanding you'll go to the other corner right so so and he has respect he understand like sometimes these you know people in gangs they have codes they live by a code right do they have this morality whether you like it or not it is a different issue whether you agree with their morality or not is a

1:11:24

different issue but but see what am i what is my problem this is the the question that I wanted to give my problem is not the individual that may be good or bad the species huh is the problem the species the human species is driving the species see the driving force of human human beings are no longer in the driving seat of their destiny sort of saying okay who's driving us the driving the driving force of our arts are our species right now is is corporate is the corporation's the multi core from the corporate and

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corporate you know corporation literally means bringing the dead to life Claudia corporation yeah from a corpus like a human they are like a living entity that in fact that's actually why they call corporations to give them a legal entity as a living entity yeah they are like you can take them to court and etc etc so this system is such that let's say there's a banker he can be a good person but the point is that we are with the system we're living in it has come to a point you know that might but really put it well me me me I'll talk about what I was going to talk about but I want to put it the way he put it

1:12:43

because I think he allow Mike Budd put it in a very good way in his book reconstruction of religious thought okay a nutmeg bud says and I want to know what you think about this right and this shows the positive aspect actually where I would probably agree with you okay so I'm gonna because if I was very positive in his in his outlook you see do you see that I see I see the kind of opposite sometimes I see that he was kind of well he has the shake one but he also yeah yeah but I kind of see him hopeful but kind of despondent of the circum because of the circumstances and

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Mufti Abu Layth. (2020, July 10). Are people basically good, or is the system the problem? [Video, segment 2020-07-10-S19, auto-transcribed, may contain errors]. Mufti Abu Layth Archive. Retrieved November 1, 2026, from https://muftiabulayth.org/r/wce73zqci_i/s/19/
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  organization = {Mufti Abu Layth Archive},
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