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How did Iqbal see Western civilisation?
muftis fitnah fitna fitan strifeIqbal on Western civilisation: a dazzling exterior around a core of knowledge
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machinesummary, machine-writtenThe guest sets out Iqbal's two-layer view of the West; Mufti Abu Layth says the prophets' message was simply to reconnect creation with the Creator.
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The guest presents Muhammad Iqbal's view from The Reconstruction of Religious Thought in Islam, which he says meets Mufti Abu Layth's position more than his own; Mufti says he sees Iqbal as hopeful but despondent because of his circumstances. The guest says Iqbal described Western civilisation as having an outer core, the dazzling exterior of entertainment, dance and film, and an inner core of knowledge, rationality, observation and measurement, and held that through trial and error, from communism to democracy to socialism, humanity would reach the conclusion the Prophet was taking it to. The guest adds that, in his own feeling, Western civilisation as it now exists is headed for a very big problem because of the entities driving human destiny. Mufti calls Iqbal's view brilliant and says his own understanding is that what the prophets taught was simply to reconnect creation with the Creator.
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corporate you know corporation literally means bringing the dead to life Claudia corporation yeah from a corpus like a human they are like a living entity that in fact that's actually why they call corporations to give them a legal entity as a living entity yeah they are like you can take them to court and etc etc so this system is such that let's say there's a banker he can be a good person but the point is that we are with the system we're living in it has come to a point you know that might but really put it well me me me I'll talk about what I was going to talk about but I want to put it the way he put it
because I think he allow Mike Budd put it in a very good way in his book reconstruction of religious thought okay a nutmeg bud says and I want to know what you think about this right and this shows the positive aspect actually where I would probably agree with you okay so I'm gonna because if I was very positive in his in his outlook you see do you see that I see I see the kind of opposite sometimes I see that he was kind of well he has the shake one but he also yeah yeah but I kind of see him hopeful but kind of despondent of the circum because of the circumstances and
I kind of see that but yeah carry on sorry yeah so short back Stein would come into existence and Andy and you know he had this vision yeah he did you thought right now so so anyway let me tell you what it buds philosophy is on this issue that we're talking about particularly West how he looked at western civilization right so this is actually very very unique and very interesting and in some ways meets with you more than it meets what I'm saying very to be fair to the subject I have to kind of like discuss this because it has it's worth he says that the Western civilization has two parts there's an
inner core and an outer core he says the outer core is like what I was saying Xena the dazzling exterior calls it the dazzling exterior right you have the entertainment the dance the hully with the movies this is like this is the false glitter of that society this is what he kind of like calls it the dancing experience exterior then he says there's an internal core which is we will which is knowledge knowledge rationality understanding things observation of things measurement of things testing things in the lab so he says the inner core is knowledge the
outer core is the culture which is he calls it the dazzling exterior the entertaining and not that it combines against you that's not the point the point is is that he's trying to give you a map of how he sees Western civilization now when he says it but says this he says that man is in a journey to seek out the doors of the Prophet what he's saying is after everything man is experienced meaning communism to democracy into socialism in the end through the process of trial and error they will reach the same conclusion to where the Prophet was
taking us to start with okay so this is a quasi view of what will happen and this is a bad view of Western civilization okay so you can choose to agree or disagree or what you like of that now where I am saying currently the Western civilization as it exists right now will probably in my feeling because of certain entities that are driving human destiny and and I think that we're on for a very big problem you see I just wanted to say them but obviously about
Iqbal and the whole thing you see okay him saying look we're gonna is gonna is gonna come back it's gonna come full circle to what the prophets taught okay obviously as a Muslim you know I'm not gonna that's that's absolutely brilliant I mean my understanding of what the prophets taught was simply to reconnect creation with the creator it was not you know something incredibly complex it was a and in that simplicity lies a you know an amazing structure but ok coming to this point he was saying before that that you quote looked that the Western cultures have these two aspects this kind of in this core of knowledge and
this core of this glittery kind of shell but in all honesty I look I feel that that's not exclusively in any way Western human beings have always been drawn to entertainment it's not like the West invented dance or they invented sex or they invented let's say drugs even in that case I mean they may have invented some modern drugs that that may have been invented today in in in the West but the concept of intoxication is a you know it's an it's an ancient concept so and and just dancing or having drums beating drums or playing music or just
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Mufti Abu Layth. (2020, July 10). How did Iqbal see Western civilisation? [Video, segment 2020-07-10-S20, auto-transcribed, may contain errors]. Mufti Abu Layth Archive. Retrieved November 1, 2026, from https://muftiabulayth.org/r/wce73zqci_i/s/20/
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@misc{abulayth-2020-07-10-S20, author = {Mufti Abu Layth}, title = {{How did Iqbal see Western civilisation?}}, year = {2020}, month = {7}, date = {2020-07-10}, howpublished = {\url{https://muftiabulayth.org/r/wce73zqci_i/s/20/}}, url = {https://muftiabulayth.org/r/wce73zqci_i/s/20/}, organization = {Mufti Abu Layth Archive}, urldate = {2026-11-01}, note = {Segment 2020-07-10-S20, auto-transcribed, may contain errors} }
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