A Reply to Abdullah Sameer's Allegation: The Quran Teaches Paedophilia | Mufti Abu Layth

since now somebody has said let's take a look at this this Abdullah Samir I'm just trying to bring this up here as well now Abdullah Samir who is an ex-muslim now he has a Facebook post about I mean somebody brought it to my attention so I saw about the Quran allows pedophilia and then he's quoting a verse in the Quran and he's quoting a lot of

commentators so I'd like to respond to this now first of all I would like to say I do from there's several X Muslims and they do seem to be growing in number and I personally don't have a problem with people if they want to leave the faith that's entirely up to them it doesn't bother me I'm not insecure about Islam in any way if people want to be Muslim great that's great I'm the life they don't want to be Muslim fine you know to me I'm to Islam it doesn't actually bother Islam and contrary to popular opinion the Quran

really the attitude of the Quran is one of ambivalence it doesn't really care although people act like oh my god kill the apostate kill the apostate that's all nonsense it's a tragedy in Islam that we you know I'll assume neither Sony had the scholars and giants and legends of hadith took had a soft spot in their hearts when he came to the Huaraz you know the extremist hateful butch of

this early OMA those the kind of fathers of Isis who known as the Huaraz they hated the Companions considered most the Companions to be Co far disbelievers they are the people who arranged she martyred said Ali Road Ilan and they tried to kill cinema alia or the alarm they tried to kill Amer ignore us or they allow on they didn't manage to kill them successfully but they killed other people and they butchered they were ruthless the Hawara CH they would the

first major internal threat that Islam faced now the tragedy is that Sonny had the Giants and legends seem to have had a I don't know why but a soft spot in their heart when it came to the Huaraz like they seem to accept this stuff and they seem to say oh yeah but they're okay but you see that this is interesting but if it was a Shia a lot of the times they wouldn't they be very vocal against the Shia later on or they're very vocal against the martyrs

illa or they're very vocal against people who said the Quran was created for example but when it came to the Hawara jus considered it okay to shed blood and kill people and do all of this they seem to be kind of like mmm he's a good guy but I'm serious like a coma a coma is a Hawaiian she's from the Hajj and he transmits this hadith that whosoever is the sole transmitter of this hadith in bihari that whosoever changes his religion

kill him I mean tell me something if Isis said that if Isis said oh he is a teaching to do with killing would you take it from them now here is a transmitter who is no Imam Malik this was the reason in my management like a trauma and he didn't like the fact that people took from him and he said and even OMA and other companions openly didn't they spoke against this person that he was bloodthirsty that he was one of them and he wasn't just a he was like and lead here he had a

position amongst the haulage but anyway and he transmits check this out and they used to hate Ali early on he says Ali burnt people to death because they changed their religion and we're gonna take his word for it but anyway so so that's that's on us as Muslims we've we've kind of slipped up on that but anyway I wanted to say that look optimist I mean I was before I guess her sidetrack too much I actually think I do feel he's genuine I do have

respect for him like that because I feel that look if people are genuine in this search then let them let them search wherever that search takes them if they're genuine in their think some people sometimes you come across them X Muslims they can be very kind of vile very toxic very kind of a bitter hateful spiteful vindictive towards Islam any opportunity they get they hate hate hate hate and always a straw man effect and stuff like this they do a lot of that and I do and there are Lorex Muslims and but I'm

just saying the vibe I get generally and I don't I haven't don't follow him that closely but the vibe I get whenever I do see some posts from Abdullah Samir are usually that he's trying to be feared this is what I I feel usually now so ok so he's put this post so the reason why am I saying this is I'm against any like I want to respond to this I want to show that that's not true the Quran does not permit pedophilia and I will show that in a moment but I want to also highlight this is not about like what I don't want to see is people attacking him as a

person attack the argument but not the person okay so that's really important and that is from the adapt that is from the the character of the Prophet as well you know this if you if we claim to be Muslim then we ought to be showing a good example you know we if we we are saying that the Messenger of Allah was rahmatan lil odd I mean he was a paragon of mercy for the whole world then we ought to be demonstrating that the onus is on us not on non-muslims to prove that we ought to

be championing that kind of behavior so okay now right so this is the verse of the Quran so we've got surah Tauba lakh which is in the 28th juice now it begins bismillah r-rahman r-rahim yeah you know be you is that the lock to Manisa okay so it's speaking it's addressing the Prophet but by extension people that when you divorce women for political who Nellie I did in that divorced them for

the aid that in line with an it is a kind of it's a post marital cycle so it's like a so it's usually it can be one menstrual cycle to three menstrual cycles it's a certain period of time ranging from one month to three months in which usually it was to see if that if the woman was still pregnant if she was then this and certain rites and these kind of things especially as you can imagine it was like a system set up for that there were other many other wisdoms to it as well it also prevented

a lot of suspicion it prevented a lot of social unrest because sometimes when relationships broke up people would feel that oh you know was so in so trying to have an affair with with my wife or is she like this and and sometimes when people divorce when they if they immediately remarried it may have led to some kind of fighting and things like this in the past I mean even now but especially in in that kind of a society a warrior society so there was an ADA that was placed there that had many social benefits in

addition to it allowed to verify whether there was a pregnancy or not and stuff like this so okay so Allah mentions that if that give that the lock for the ADA right and then this verse goes on now right we move on to it's speaking about their ID they're so sorry just to explain Allah says well I so like that and take the idea into consideration enumerate as in keep measure it like be precise with as precise as possible with the idea now

and then Allah mentions laterally juhu numbing beauty now Alea hardener that but let they are entitled to lodging they entitled to live in that house as long as they have their aid there so imagine a relationship was over now so the let's say it's over now so the woman who's gonna move on but she doesn't have to get up and leave straight away she's entitled to stay just saw her stuff out at least during the ADA now and if and it will go on and speak about well what if she was pregnant but so it's trying to say that you let or read your numbing beauty don't don't throw them out of the

homes okay let them stay there and then it mentions if there's certain other issues fight their beloved Nigella whenever I'm sick or but when they reach the time that the ADA has finished for MC corner either reconcile be ma roof with kindness over if you wanna be my roof Oh leave them separate with kindness this is the verse of the Quran right well as she do the way idly minkum but get witnesses as well that you have decided to separate or you've decided to reconcile let people be witnesses to

this just in case you just in case there's some later on people don't know i mean why you guys still together have you separate let there be some witnesses right well our team of Shahada let it be like your testimony as well welcome you are the way God is advising you admonishing you to do that okay Montana your men will be liable your me asking that if you believe in God you will do that you either at that time is our beloved Nigel I'll not keep them with kindness be my roof Oh Farah corner be Marouf or let them go with kindness and you will have you will

set up witnesses at least to the way Adaline to can testify that this is the decision that you guys have arrived at and now you can go and one of the wisdoms with their in there and Allah saying led to hurry to Hoonah mmm beauty now do not send them out of the homes is that sometimes in a in a power of rage or something anger or misunderstanding people could be upset that they want to end the relationship but you see when when you live like isolated lives but you're still there the woman is still there the husband is still there but they're living their own

lives during the ADA now it's been a few weeks it's been maybe a month it's been you see like people kind of calm down and then when they're seeing the other person as well the proper singing damn you know maybe I miss her or I miss him or I miss and he allows that opportunity to reconcile so then Allah says and after that is that verse which I just read that look when the time comes that it does finish make up your mind then are you because don't let it go on do you want to reconcile not or set about witnesses okay and then sometimes it can be when a relationship ends it can be

quite daunting on a person like think about it the uncertainty so Allah says he reminds you all mania tequila but if you keep God in mind you know this it totally is not fear and that's hope if allah - allah fear allah dread god it took allies to keep him in mind that if you are mindful of god allah home he will he will set away out for you like don't worry like God will watch over you that's what what you're a sook

whom in hate to lie at us and God will feed you from places where you cannot imagine so if a relationship is is ending it could be daunting people could think well what's gonna happen now should i grovel should I beg should I put up with oppression just so I can get food so I can be fed like yes unfortunately especially in the past in patriarchal societies women could have been in these kind of vulnerable positions they still can today and and it doesn't have to be women it could be men as well but more so on unfortunately received with women

does it mean they should kind of crumble succumb should they do to kind of saying well okay you know so long as I've got some shelter and food you know I'll be I'll permit to be oppressed Allah says look we are so come in hastily artisan Allah will provide for you you set that foot forth I mean you set about on your way God will watch over he will provide you with provisions from where you cannot imagine what man yet Allah Allah Allah Allah for her husband indeed whosoever relies upon God God is

sufficient for him or her in allahabad Leo Amery cudgel allahu ala kulli shayin that Allah will reach what he has set out okay indeed Allah has set everything to its scale now these verses are put up until here the person that objected doesn't bring these verses into consideration he starts from this from this point here

Allah says what is nominal maha demon is eco inert optim 48.1 and those women by the way who had reached their menopause right but he doesn't say menopause it says who had despaired from their menstrual cycle yeah it's not those women who had disappeared from their menstrual cycle in a septum if you are in doubt now here there's a question what if you are in

doubt about what so the more faceting are in to two camps about what this means when God is saying if you are in doubt because he's not saying this to the women he made it up to them to the men it's a masculine pronoun plural it's not any tab tuna that would be to the women but it's saying and those women who have despaired from the menstrual cycle in a tub tongue if you men are in doubt now what does that mean if you men are in doubt about what so the scholars say either that you are in doubt that

whether they have despaired from the from the menstrual cycle meaning whether their menses have completely stopped if you are in doubt about that some people have said maybe this doubt is referring to the eighth day if you are in doubt about has the ada began or not has it been completed or not but what makes sense is that if you are in doubt as in the men about whether they have had the menopause or not because think about it back then they weren't really too sure and the men what do they know

so if they're in doubt for it dot or NASA Lassiter a short then they ada is three months let them stay for just three months non-stop let that be the idea okay let that simply be the ether that is not going to be three menstrual cycles and let it just be three months because are they pregnant or not or whatever you can it's an ample opportunity for all the factors with men before will Allah meeya Hitler and those

who are not having these cycles what will hurtle a man and those who are appear to be pregnant agile owner in Havana Hamlin Hamlin the ADA is until childbirth or may attack in La Jolla jalalahu min amri hero and indeed if you are mindful of God he will create easily now this is the verse that that they are claiming allows pedophilia we let me tell you this part that said

after it said those women who you are in doubt whether they've disappeared from the in there whether they at the menopause or not let them wait have a 3-month cycle and then he says well let me ahead nur and those who have not had their cycle the question is what does that mean those who have not had their cycle does this mean those who have not had their cycle because they're six seven years old they're just little girls they don't have a cycle or does it mean those who don't have not had their

cycle due to some kind of abnormality now this that's what this verse very clearly meant you will see people you will see for example a bhai jaan he mentions how it's very clear that this that this verse because it this verse those who ever who have not had their cycle how would a woman have not had a cycle because there's many women who have abnormal cycles as many women who do not either it could be for an illness or it could just be for some abnormality of their cycles that they don't have

menstral cycles and he mentions our hawaiian mentions that it's women for an allah it mentions them now that you will see other people even our short mentions that this is simply a follow-on from those women who you are in doubt about have they disappeared it's the follow-on from that evening I assured the great mufti of the Grand Mufti of the Maliki the great which the aid of the 20th century he writes this is just add upon Allah yes nur those women who

you are in doubt about whether they have reached a menopause or not then let them sit for three months and those women who do not have cycles he's saying this is simply just an out this is just a follow on and those who it's just a description of those women now meaning even if they are not at their menopause but they do not have these cycles then let them sit three months that's the most important thing then you have other scholars like

Salah be he mentions that the hadith in the suburban Azul for this he mentions that the suburban Azul to do with this verse was to do with women a woman that was divorced during her menstrual cycle and the Prophet told the person off and said you don't divorce them during you wait and then you divorced them and that's why this verse was revealed and he doesn't summer Cundy in his stuff she mentions this is simply talking about women and Nyssa who don't menstruate

that's the tough see he gives Abu Saud he mentions in his stuff see that this dimension no mention of anything to do with girls little girls or anything he just says is to do with women old age stuff like that now once again if not I fear the same thing you know it's just women old age those women who don't men straight stuff like this well do we have a problem first of all what is the challenge because I want to steal man not strong man these people's arguments the steel mine argue

to steal mine their arguments you see the problem is many more faceting many of our scholars of the past have they have been part of the problem now they are great people we do love them adore them for all the great work they've done however we they've made a mistake they've made a mistake now many orlimar and we're talking not talking about people remember we took my people who are still hundreds of years after the Prophet but many scholars some so many hundred years after the Prophet them in

the books have written India tough sieves ethnic a--there for example who to be for example who's like a thousand years after the Prophet like people like they have written in native seed oh this can also include little girls they have written this we utterly condemn that utterly disagree it makes no sense right now because these scholars have said it does not mean that the Quran said it the Quran simply said

those who do not have this who have not had this cycle now how do we know first of all the Quran was speaking not because to be fair to to the ex Muslim they could say oh look but good to be said so even a kassir said so if North I am said so generality in a suti said so so surely how you know what's your evidence and this doesn't refer to little girls okay evidence evidence will give you it says though as though these

verses would have known of this challenge it's as though we go back to the very beginning of these verses that I've read to you just as we opened up this section yeah a you Hanabi in that the luck tom o prophet when you divorce and Missa women we mean not girls

Missa not but not not Jerry yet not Joe worry not we're not talking a dude didn't even say as logical he didn't even say your wives he said women nobody refers you do not refer to a six-year-old girl as a woman or a seven-year-old girl or an eight-year-old girl and if they say and let's let's what could be a counter-argument that they might bring up they might say oh well you know in the past because young people they were doing you know that

they were robbed of the in their kind of infant stages and childhood was kind of robbed from them therefore they were treated like many adults so because of that we're going to say linguistically we can use this then I ask you if that be the case if that be the case then them being robbed of their childhood was equal for boys and girls so show me where boys are core region where do you call ever show me where they called boys

region men they don't because neither do they call Bernard Lisa they don't call girls women now here allah begins by saying is that the luck to Manisa when you divorce women and this whole the whole verses are simply speaking about the divorce and the ADA if you reconcile if you don't reconcile how long should they wait they should wait three months

what if okay what if the dimensional cycle isn't so apparent what if you're not so sure what if they don't have regular cycles what if they're pregnant what should you do now tell me if it was if they trying to say this was a little girl why would you think that the little girl was pregnant anyway why would they think that they wouldn't think that a six-year-old was pregnant anyway so what would be the purpose of saying oh let her sit and either just in case go straight after it straight after II Allah says and what we'll have to laugh

Miley RG Luna and if they have pregnancy then there is still childbirth if you thought it's a child then you wouldn't be expecting the child to be pregnant so this is stupid but yes yes we have to accept that unfortunately some scholars there's been quite a few Muslim scholars have written that in their books it's not in the Quran it's not in the in the Sunnah it's if you look at the whole verses of the Quran the verses of the Quran that I've read them verse by verse and demonstrate

and shown to you that look it's very clear what the verses are speaking about Imam Malik was very clear in his fatwa that it was Haram right to have to have any kind of sexual relationship with any with a woman I mean through marriage unless she was nubile he's very clear about that in his fourth hour now what I'm trying to say is the Fatah WA of men men that make up fat ones like I'm a Mufti I could I do issue fatwas like that in the past there were many scholars the only she thought was just because some of their fat hour were

wacko or worse were influenced by the the kind of Oh the kind that the global patriarchy in which they lived doesn't mean that was Islam so yes if scholars have said it we will accept that that's wrong if they said but there were other scholars that didn't say it if not sure I highlighted these these more for city and that demonstrate they don't mention some of the summer countries only about old women you see a bhai yen highlighting although he say some people have said about this being young age but he says

about oh it's about illness people that don't get and Meza fee quotes him as well on sorry Lucy also calls manga but yes just because scholars have said things like that wherever they've been wrong will accept that they were wrong but that is not Allah and it is not his messenger and that is men and their opinions who was subject and influenced by they day and age so I hope that shed some light the Quran categorically addresses the wives here divorce as women because they are women at that stage right it does not say but not it

does not say you know Fateh yet even in this it could have said Fatiha to be fair because what the earth can still be girls in their late teens and things like this but here it actually addressed them as women okay so and you definitely in Arabic do not refer to little girls as women just as you do not refer to little boys Oh lad as a region right so I hope that sheds enough light so we you've got and there's a no Sully principle that we something has is Matta shabbiha so you've got this verse here saying and those who do not have their

cycle now one apparent reason if you said that somebody you'd think oh abnormality you know like if I said all right so there's this girl she doesn't have her menstrual cycle the first thing that would come to your mind is are okay like some abnormal you wouldn't first of all think like if I said that to you now you wouldn't think oh a seven-year-old like unit you want to think I'd be saying that because that's a stupid but now so the apparent would be oh so some abnormality now you could extract a meaning from that by saying oh and and I guess underage girls also don't have mental cycles which is true they don't as well

so you've got a mutter sharp is something that can have can go in multiple directions whenever that clashes with something that is sorry that is very clear the clear thing so the beginning of the verse begins with women and it sets the tone that when you divorce women then divorce them for the AIDA count the AIDA measure it make sure they you cannot throw them out their homes if you reconcile once they're 8 days up do this to that it begins with women which is clear so whenever there's a slight challenge between something that may go

one of two ways it has some let's say let's let's say there's some level of ambiguity right and there's something clear the clear always overrides that's a clear or suli principle so here the term lisa is clear it is sorry this is not something that is you know in any way ambiguous the other verse although it's clear personally it's clear to me is probably clear to many people but I can accept that okay fine if you just took that as an isolated understanding you could say yeah well young girls

don't also have the menstrual cycle so we're going to include them but then that's clearly canceled out that understanding is by the beginning of the verse Nissa women I hope this makes sense to you guys I hope it's shed some light I want you to explain that as a I felt a duty because you know there were many Muslims or I'm sure there are many who may now be confused if they've come across certain people saying that the Quran allows pedophilia it does not okay so I hope that's of some help guys let's

wrap it up it's been over two hours right now and like I said there are some there are Muslims unfortunately that will drop us in in this mess right because they this is a problem isn't it because they will didn't say things like oh no no no it's it's okay it's okay it's like the conversation I said earlier on I was speaking to a person and he said well oh it's okay to you know it's not a sin to force to have coercive sex with your wife or not it's

like what a new thing you want about of course it's a god it's Haram and it was like no no it's not and this is the problem that we are really to blame that we are our problem that while some people are trying to connect of like show that look the Quran the Sun that doesn't say these thing and this is why will ye you know when I keep saying about Imam Ali Imam Malik he said that you know he said that Lane you slay her are carrera del oma ulema allah o allah o allah that the last of this ummah what

will save it is the same attitude the same approach that saved the first of this Ummah that kind of made it for the first of this Ummah and what made it for the first of this Ummah was that they were independent they didn't feel obliged just because so you see turbo ain't just because a companion said something he will still challenge the understanding and just because the tabie said he yet the the Tubbataha like in my molecule challenge his understanding they still respect the person but they

challenged the view if he contradicted the core the essence of the deemed to them and that's what imam malik said we'll save those who come at the end of this allah and that is us we need to yes look I'm not these scholars work great people but they were human they lived in a political day an age where they saw things as normal and maybe around them they probably thought they lived in these kind of on many occasions in oppressive patriarchy's in some occasions maybe not but in others yes a

very kind maybe they lived in the medieval ages there was a lot of misogyny so to them oh yes sure you know who cares but we now do not live in that we can remove those blinkers like Imam Malik said like the early people of this Ummah and examine the text and say whoa you know this is your culture this is your baggage from the medieval age you can keep that you know you can't check that in okay you're gonna have to carry that with you this the Quran so now fine we'll take that so I hope that's of some

understanding people