Recordings › A Reply to False Messiahs: Mirza Ghulam Qadiani! -Mufti Abu Layth · 15 Jan 2019 › Segment 3 of 6
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's developing claims: reformer, messiah, prophet, Krishna
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machinesummary, machine-writtenThe claim that Mirza never claimed prophethood is a half-truth: he began as a reformer in 1884, then claimed to be the promised messiah, a prophet in 1901 and Krishna in 1904. Mufti Abu Layth quotes these claims from Mirza's own books.
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Mufti Abu Layth says many Ahmadis argue that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad never claimed prophethood and quote his books, which he calls a half-truth: Mirza went on a developmental journey, proclaiming himself a revivalist and reformer in 1884, announcing seven years later that he was the promised messiah, claiming prophethood in 1901 and claiming to be Krishna in 1904. In reply to a chat comment he clarifies that Punjab is largely in Pakistan and has nothing to do with Sikhs, and allows that some Ahmadis may not accept Mirza as a prophet though most do. He mentions Mirza's addiction to certain drugs while saying he is not judging. He then quotes claims from Mirza's writings: that an angel comes to him and that Jibril was renamed; that he swore by Allah that these were the words of Allah revealed to him; from Ruhani Khaza'in, that God placed his name as a nabi and called him the promised messiah and that revelation kept coming like rain addressing him as a prophet; his son Mirza Bashiruddin's statement that the door of prophethood remains open after the Prophet Muhammad; and the words 'I am Adam, I am Noah, I am David, I am Jesus the son of Mary and I am Muhammad'. He says Mirza called his new law the Ark of Noah, wrote that blessed is the one who recognises him, and that his followers send salat and salam upon him and call him the imam of creation, as in the Ahmadi paper Al-Fazl [?].
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Mufti Abu Layth says the claim that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad never claimed prophethood is a half-truth, since his early writings disclaim it but from 1891 onward he claimed to be the promised messiah, then a prophet, then Krishna.
“he did not claim to be a prophet some people will say this to you and and they will quote you his books right now the interesting thing is that's partially true that's a half truth”
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her name is gal i said okay girl but i am not your boy [Music] hashtag serial kisser hashtag hariram so ghulam and the reason why hari ram is not it's not an insult because later on you're going to learn in a moment hariram khadyani saab actually claimed to be an incarnation of krishna krishna ji later on krishna i'm not making i'm not making i'm going to quote the sources yet
i'm not making this guy you guys don't believe me this is the problem you know you know so let's get on to a bit of facts about uh who was aka harirao right so he's born in 1839 in punjab now i want to mention something a lot of karjanis will say that oh he did not claim to be a prophet some people will say this to you
and and they will quote you his books right now the interesting thing is that's partially true that's a half truth know this one after without her the reason being is because kadyani went on a developmental journey right and there was so initially if you see in 1884 he claimed he an open proclamation to be a revivalist and a reformer so it is true in his early years he did not claim any kind of messianic mission
or prophethood so they will show you these books okay so they will say that look in these books he doesn't say that and that is true however seven years later he made an announcement stating that he was the promised messiah and in 1901 he claimed to be a prophet he claimed prophethood and in 1904 he claimed to be krishna krishna [Music] you know that krishna this is nothing to do with sikhs by the way sikh somebody is saying something about sikhs he is nothing to do with sikhs punjab is is a
huge region in fact a greater part of punjab is actually in modern day pakistan so there's more of punjab in pakistan than there is in india today so punjab is actually nothing to do with i mean obviously there's sikhs in punjab but there's muslims in punjab as well and historically there was our good looking guest in punjab as well so so there are and i accept look there may be some cardianis that haven't accepted
uh mirza sahib to be a prophet there may be some but the majority of them do okay now some claims made by mirza aka syria okay by the way in his lifetime he had an addiction to certain drugs but hey i'm not one to judge i'm judging no no don't you don't judge people no no don't are you judging don't judge
we're not judging about the addiction to he did have some addictions to certain drugs but but but but but no judging right so what did he say though what were the claims he said an angel comes to him right the angel he said gibrael has been renamed as aeil [Laughter] said he's called his new name was and he said comes to me again and again this was in his book called on page 103 honor 3 he said i swear by allah saying that
these are the words of allah which were revealed to me this is in his book people he said check this out in his book rouhani hazard spiritual treasures he said that and i swear by the lord that he has placed my name as a nabi as a prophet and he has called me the promise promised messiah in his book sorry in his son's book mirza bashiruddin he wrote it is very clear and evident that after the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam
the door of prophethood is still open loves the book he writes in his mirza hariram writes in his book rouhani afterwards revelation kept coming to me as the rain clearly addressing me as a prophet these were his words many he had i'm not saying that he's he's saying he's in another one of his books he wrote in i am adam i am noah i am david i am jesus the son of mary and i am
muhammad these were the words of right so this was in his page [Music] right this is what he used to call his new sharia he used to call his new laws that he's bought the ark of noah in this he writes blessed is that person who recognized me
that of course you're gonna well obviously you're gonna be ah you have to recognize him obviously with that thought he's wearing on his head sorry sorry keep it academic keep it activated so this is these are his words okay i'm not making any of this up because some people might think i'm making this up his followers send salatu assalam upon him so they so for example in the books of al-fazal kadyani you have the book of the rude wasalam upon him imam that they call him the imam of the
creation assalaamu like this they send that upon him okay in one of his now in his early years he did write so in his early books like he writes anyone who claims to be a prophet after the prophet is cursed so sometimes khadianis will show these early things and say look he didn't look he didn't make these claims but that's in his early years that is true he did used to say i have no claim to prophethood that is in his book so in his early years he did do a lot of this in aina kamala he writes i am not a prophet i am an addressee
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