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A debater, Saqib Shaami's crew and a conference on the finality of prophethood
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machinesummary, machine-writtenMufti Abu Layth recalls a debater facing down Saqib Shaami's entourage when it disrupted a finality-of-prophethood conference in Birmingham.
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Responding to a chat remark about his jolliness, Mufti Abu Layth tells a story from the mid-2000s about a well-known debater of Deobandi background [?] who spoke at the annual conference on the finality of prophethood at Birmingham Central Mosque, held in reply to the Qadianis [?]. Mufti says he himself does not see them as a threat. He recounts that Saqib Shaami, then still rising to fame by challenging people to debates, came in with a small entourage and disrupted the conference with slogans, and that the debater slammed the table, told him to send his father to debate, and the group left. He adds that another preacher, once Saqib Shaami's right-hand man, later rose through the same culture of debate challenges, and that Saqib Shaami is now seen as a dignified shaykh. He ends with the debater's punchline asking why the conference troubled them if it was aimed at the Qadianis.
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two weeks ago on this clip it was a bit borderline not borderline it was rude but it just wasn't swearing so I was thinking to myself well hm Jello even if he wants to it's not like it's the first time but I'm hoping he can bring and answer the questions cool let's move on people uh Muti check my super chats are you super Jolly huh Mr super Jolly hi hi hi hi
why does uh my jolliness bother [Laughter] people you know why uh you know uh unes nanii s he was uh a great debater he's from um a kind of uh a a shoot of the dndi backdrop although he had his own opinions and quite different not all Dio bundis agree with them they very
critical in certain things so he many years ago came here to to Birmingham and he was doing a conference and they had other Scholars there and it was about um you know the obviously the the finality of the prophethood of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam and this conference is usually done by dundes in rep annually in reply to kianis so even though I to be honest I don't really think cism is a threat I don't think you really need to kind of go at CIS and stuff like that because I
don't I don't see it as a threat or anything so but they do this every year so the whole point is it's aimed at uh it's I mean it's aimed at common Muslims but the the indirect channel is a reply to kadani so whilst he was at this place before he began uh s shamiah those of you that know Sak shami those in those days he was Rising here this is going early 2000s so it's like you know it's uh or mid sorry it's about mid 2000 so he was still kind of he was he was still rising to fame he
he's not like now he's like really he's seen as a sh and he's very kind of now um dignified in his character but back then he was quite very um you know challenged and all about debating I want to debate people he'd go to Green Lane I challenge you I challenge you it was all like that that was his kind of his kind of uh claim to fame the the challenge you know this assar what do not doctor what Rashid our belowed he the same thing he did to to become popular it was go around try and challenge people to
debates but he picked this up from I mean won that whole culture but his kind of predecessor in it was shik Sak shami because he used to at one time be uh she sakib shami's kind of like right-hand man but then she sakib shami kind of distanced him and hence they you know politics politics so uh she Sak shami comes in and he comes in with a little Entourage and he's not this huge shikh back then but he comes in with little Entourage and they disrupt the show so they kind of they yell these uh kind of
uh uh cries out about um what is it which about a a br Alim s Assad uh you know molana s Assad he's a a big br Alim who also debates and he knows no Manis from Pakistan so anyway they disrupt this show he comes this is in Birmingham Central mosque by the way so they come in and they they've got a slogan i' I've forgotten the slogan now but it's but it had say say in there and so they come and you know saying this really loud disrupting the whole everybody's kind of like what do we do what do we do and they're standing there so unas and you
got to understand yunas nman sa he had a presence to him he definitely did you know he's he was one of those traditional type of daunting kind of you know present and big and you know and that voice and oh so none of the imams mol's on on the stage thing whatever on the panel they didn't know what to say so he said let me speak and he goes up there he proper he slams the table and he goes what because you know Sak shami said I
challenge you to a debate he goes who the hell are you he goes go send your dad S I will debate him right now he proper flips and he goes like Oh So everybody's like what these guys crapped it they just like she sakim crew like they just immediately kind of left the the the mid so uh this was in the days that a lot of action used to happen in Mas so M unun namani he goes look he
goes uh he goes it's a conference is to do with the finality of the prophet he goes why is it bothering these people like the bres he goes that the the pain was meant to be felt there right with them them he
goes he goes you know he goes but why are there agents the ones feeling the pain but it's just hilarious you guys reminded me of that so I don't even now I kind of lost my train of thought so where are we people Muti will a person who doesn't shave there I you there gender fluid or plural confused you know confus gender fluid plural plural gender fluid
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