Jinn Possessions: Myth and Reality in Islam by Sh. Akram Nadwi & Mufti Abu Layth

[Music] you now coming to the story of the gin what exactly happening is in Islam every you know B or I believe their gene exists that's in the Quran no doubt about that and what we know the order from the Quran is that a lot of metallic created angels an undersized creation who do

good but the neighbor can do any any evil so Quran said that there over last hot Allah and they never disobey to the always obedient you know to us what a career that people like that who always obey Him they never disobey but among time just there are who can improve them so they can be even better than others so that they can do they can there are just were better than other and just but the neighbor can do an evil then Allah so hot Allah created after long long time we don't know the right type occur the gin again basically missed people who are hidden so it is a name you know in relation to human being we can't see them but this years so you know from

generations we have so many rules from the agenda to news also guard and hiding to say tagine are the creation were hidden from us we could not see them Allah clear them from the fire that's in the Quran you know so many times to tell a clear them from the fire and they are they have got both things they can do good they also can do something bad then I lost how to create a human being better than them so you might be better better than them it's very clear from the Quran and analyst of how Allah made the human being as a ha'la'tha and in charge of this this earth tutors also in the Quran Shaitaan the leader of Jin

he became jealous so this jealousy also mentioned the Quran he became jealous and he determined that now he's going to miss his very Quran makes very clear he is your color clear enemy Adamo be Shaytan it releases our clear enemy and he and his all his followers you know karate yoga Rock'em Vava kabila habil all his family all his supporters they they basically are jealous of us there are clear clear enemy so there he has you know made very clear that he will do all his best

to misguide us to stop us from being guided you know to basically do anything possible that what he but he can do you know he will do - unless what I said no you don't have any power you know other than whispering - whispering is the power Allah has given to like no whispering they say this is a power which Allah has given to everybody meaning like human being you know like in media you know they the misguide newspapers misc are the people you know many good many writers they be scared the people many speakers misguide the people even many Muslim mislead the people you know the convict dismiss guiding by whispering by teaching

anybody can do to Shaytan are together the same thing what he does he just said you know run in the in the vein of the people and he misguides to further ample if you're walking on the path a woman comes Shaitan will whisper look at her but if you don't look you lower your eye he'd not go to open your eyes in order to force you you only whispers look at directing even human being that many of your thoughts also look at that thing look at this thing people do the same thing to watch a ton has got deported publicly share by human being that white poor are actually calls not only general Shaitan also human being shared in seventeen both are Shaitan so they are a

human being who whisper teach there a jinn would whisper and teach the only difference it Jean we don't see them human being we can see but this whispering and teaching goes all the time people keep doing this is the power Allah has given but to stop with people for our being misguided what Allah has done has given us the true nature Fattah true fitra people understand the fitra it really helped him a lot then allah has given us those abilities you know faculties I and although they help us to understand together not proper knowledge and then on the topic that has given us the mind the reasoning the reason that most noble thing that a human being have

been given this this that nothing more noble for human being then having the intellect reason another reason if people use data Fattah their faculties and their reasoning properly nobody can be scared no newspaper can misguide new media can misguide you know Shaytan Calmes God nobody can get me scared I just think properly and the way basically the less morally made very clear is that to whenever it is in the Quran whenever somebody teaches you something just you need to to love to TC ask the person very shy human being ask the person the proof if Shaytan tells us do this thing

ask the proof what the food is good for me first thing you have to ask the proof second thing is what is the consequences any action any statement whenever you learn from someone you need to know these two teeth first thing with what in the proof second thing what is the consequence sometime there could be proved but the consequences will tell you know don't do this thing not you know not necessarily every two hours sound right you should do because consequence said you know not right for example now you can see in the north day all the people are fighting about moon sighting everybody think they have got revelation from in from heaven if they're proof is so strong and this

under but it what they don't understand they can see with their eyes what the consequence consequences after argument with the vision amount of society division with the believers you know will moon sighting is something where Muslims should have one opinion a new penis we divide them it basically there's some problem with that you know honey if I just have his own opinion but I did not follow these people first this is two things we need to understand whenever people make any statement any action anything any behavior any ple teaching you need to ask first thing you have to ask the proof second thing it what is the consequences and that Quran always keep saying look

the consequences you cannot always say what is the proof bring the proof how to burhanakum you know bring the proof what your argument the proof and the second till consequences these two things if people keep learning them they become wise that was wisdom basically means that what reasoning means use the your reason properly so when people say anything about gene the first thing is to ask the proof and proof is the Quran and the Sunnah it is not enough that you can experience something there could be certain phenomenon in this world which I cannot explain but if I cannot explain something I have no author

to explain it with the ignores you know if could be possible there's somebody had a behavior he goes to doctors doctors say we don't know what it is we can't prescribe the medicine we don't think it we have never noticed it me explain something then you come to an anomaly synovial guardian tell me really what is the proof since because if somebody cannot explain something how it immunity gene it could vary unless we people don't know there are many fairness in this world we don't know we can't explain if you can't explain something how can it mean that it is gene you know you knew that I prefer that to what happen in our society actually is it since somebody cannot

people say you know this person has got something doctors don't know it must be Jim how can we must begin it could be any less which people don't know I don't know the people selected for Apple people will say that in the time here at mullet Allah used take out a gene from the people you know you could who could have taken out something from the people but what is the proof that what he took out to the gym that no proof for that so this is what you need what we need to understand properly that you know in anything when people make a claim the first question really is what is the proof and the second thing as medically you know about that we need to learn the consequence of anything what will happen

now you see if what actually gene can do quran can never hide us from us the only tender poor are worse about did this work or are so yeah alladhina amanu let the wat wat the Shaitaan all believers do not follow the footsteps of Shaitan Quran never glamp that you know they've got to possess you a depart to Colden you the color code to start with from some never Quran said don't follow their footsteps what following means you cannot be follower unless you've got will a rather people never can follow someone without a Radha when you follow someone you must have a rather you must have built if you are

possessed by someone we don't have will the will is gone poor are never mentioned anywhere that people lose their will it never happens in the quran quran always makes very people have will weep across the formal shell of a human woman sheriff-elect for people have got a will whether believe or not to believe you know whether over la Salter don't obey people have gotten will thereby : come our other Commerce are you know unnecessary when allah startled obey allah's messenger if you cannot obey it unnecessarily come on when LS water Kumar's people to establish the prayer and but we cannot do because Shaytan can possess us then it unnecessarily come on if we cannot do every come out of Allah basically simply means that we have got to will to do it

we've got to wheel and Webber power to do it and it's given us Shaytan never can force a lick or are said let they do not follow follow simply means you have got wilt if unless I don't follow it means you have got power not to follow him there simply means you have got to win and you have got power not too far if we are asking you to do something and Allah said don't do it means you have power not to do it Shaytan said to you don't go for the prayer it simply means that you have power not listen to him because Allah said don't follow his footsteps it never can happen that Shaytan kumar's you something and he takes away the power from you never can happen case goes again the Quran Quran said that at

the via ferrata Shaitaan do not follow the footsteps of Shaitan if Satan can force us then this command basically does not make any sense for to anybody to that take in meaning it whenever shaitan says something you have got choice you have got a will and you got power to disobey Shaitaan it never can happen that shuttle can force you so the poor ours this is the only authentic treating the curb of Shaitaan and that's in the Quran the Quran and last letter devil who taught the Shaitaan do not follow the footsteps of Shaitan will - Tata Shaitaan for innumerable fuscia well Monica that one less what a warning

us that we Shaytan always will command the people to do the evils mooncalf asha things which are you know shameful they were called shuttle will come out so this verse make very clear that Shaytan never can force us Shaytan never can take away from us our will he cannot take away from us over the power he never can do and this is also very clear in our end of the story best when the people are greater in the day of judgment Allah so hot eccentric allah shaitaan the material armory in the law welcome what back in the day of judgment when everybody's there and things are there people who blame the Shaitaan they will

say to Allah she italic the man who mislead us all this didn't happen Shaitaan that time will defend himself and Shaitaan will make very clear he said in the wha-ha-ha de combate Allah Allah made true promise a lot stronger too and then he said I took him for a life to come I promise you but my from it was not true it's not to Travis American ally array could mean Sultana I did not have any power panic north power Illya and auto come fast a job to bleep the only power but I told you I called you and you listen to me that is a

keyword human being what people do you know when shed when people like pharaon what they did they just you know we invite people they call people all the unbelievers like about jihad and it's part of what they do they invite people they call people do something this in this matter Shaytan and human being what she the same thing Shaytan has more power he can whisper you know you can run in the hands of the people that he can do but what he does actually not more than that then he said fall at a new moon do not blame me if Satan can put us then we can blame him we can set velocity he put assertive I wanted to go for the player and he came and hold help me but it never happened tell me t ever happens to

you that you go for the prayer a shuttle stops you it ever happens really that you know there's a Haram on halal and we want to get halal and shuttle stops you force you to God for Hara never happen he only teaches you only T can do it teaches you he whispers to you that what everybody Shaytan never never never never pushes anybody never horse anybody this never happened to fasting it we had learned what exactly truth is about Shaitaan and and gin in the Quran this circles these two verses they are very clear you know in in the Quran and the Sunnah the parcel Allah said oh we don't have any sound Hadees anywhere where it

has come that Shaitaan has possessed anybody Shelton has force anybody to do something this is never never has come so human being on the one hand that was so respected they walk on the ground you know under learned the Masters of the learned you know they're masters of the ocean after the sea and gin they're not masters they are in the case they are in the dirty places in these are the places where they arrive and the hadith are the personal I seldom in many books of the Haditha you know especially a Muslim for an updo like Massoud a lot no no he said that we were with the prophets and our thumb one night and then we missed him

and we looked over the parcel al-salam in the valleys and everywhere and we said you know could it be that you know some some something happened to the parcel Aston maybe had been killed it was very bad night for us it is forbidden I sure wish are related in part we have all been very very bad night when it came the morning came so we saw the professor coming from Hara and we asked well as mass and SL dolly Salaam we missed you and we looked for you and we didn't find you and that why we spent a night in very bad condition so the professor class and said you know one of the collar of gin he came to me

and I went with him and I read to them the Quran it was all said and then the professor dolly said them to cast there and he showed us the tray said of jinn and their fires and all those things and they asked him what you can eat that the person have said you can eat any bone on which under the name has been mentioned if we open your hand you can eat that bone and your animals they can eat you know the tongue of the people the professionalism Marino a very clear far cooler part in artfully the Barbican and that then the person said to people last as latticed Anju bahama

for in the home Aparna come merging because they are food of did so this virgin are now you know this this creation with lower than human being this creation which is so humiliated you know no respect in compared to human being and Allah saw that first day no she ate our so so clearly now the human being our skeleton now anything happened to us we just associated to this really you know know big mistake and it has become big big business for the people all over the world and that what we need to understand anywhere you go it is basically you know I have been teaching

this course in London I said to the people why it's the origin there in East London nowhere else why is it like that ignorin there did they believe in these things you know people who believe nothing happened to them I you know I was in Oxford in Oxford one of my friend you know his son-in-law and his daughter they left the house they live in the hostel so I asked them what happened why we left by the left house said because there's so many gene in the House today scared and they left the house I said no no don't believe in these things they said no you come I said okay I'll come and when I went to the house and then they're so scared they said to me you go

first I will follow I went everywhere in a very single room nothing I said nothing is there nothing it is just even made up a story nothing I have seen this is truly minimal time in my village the woman I Jean used to come to her and I was truly another trauma I got nothing my teacher but I do not believe in winning the oldest thing any time anyway so there's people said to me I said okay when the gene comes to call me and they called me I went there to here I think I'm young boy you know I will be scared so she's in a frightening me I did not believe in that anyway - I asked a certain question which I know that she knows - Jean is answering all this question then I asked those questions

which Jean can know but she cannot know then she became normal she said Oh Jean had now run away you know no he'll come later on so I said to the people whenever next time comes calling me I asked Lang like what in the village Jean never came never happy never cut in all this basically people make a trip trick this thing I've seen so many times so many stories in lucknow in the villages everywhere it never happened all the text by the people sometimes people bleed blurt on some time people are lifted in Austin so many texts from this matter they have nothing dude in this matter that no single hadith which can tell the

people can be possessed by jinn this noting that one Litton that we can see in the hadith is birthday you know can misguide they can mislead and you know that also can you know it can happen sometime to the prophets they can actually affect in their senses but that what means meaning they are misguided in the whispery and sometimes that can can lead to certain harm but take hold someone impossible somebody who was sitting in the mosque in Oxford so I ask you know what the person is he say he's got a jinn don't you understand really if there's a jinn possessing Wai ghin

will bring him to the mosque you know is it the Plus version brings the people Jade will take him away from the most not to bring to the mosque just if he's in the mosque it you simply miss it there's no gene didn't order why didn't we bring it to the mosque somebody phoned me one of the Ramadan there somebody has come from India and they you know he cures women from the jinn so he takes for every session 1,000 powers not too far session to cut people from the jinn and he has got to her teeth how then gin with him forty thousand in big army I said with her 2000 G he can can cut the whole world he does not need to come at either beggar forum India to this country to pick the women you know

get the money and then he got all this money I'm going to buy thirty thousand in debt think really if you have got 30,000 our mutagen and nobody can see them easily can can cut the whole world and people believe in these stories and then he got so much money so you know this thing all the time you can you know these stories going on really and people people the simple matter is there's something in Lissa's sometimes you know people have got such entries that were happening we do not have any single proof in the Quran the soon something I could no proof in the real life it never happened so it could be fast will no doubt real sometime could be people's condition is so bad doctors cannot spend

I don't deny that this kind happens r10 in time that you have some some certain illness who nobody can explain but not being able to explain how to miss it is general in which to just produce by your mind you make up this story that no proof for that similarly there are in many you know in Sona and Alison Bihari Muslim when the professor Darla Salam had advised people what to read I don't want to condition because we don't have much time so this is due to our best summary of these hadees basically the prophet salaallah Salam is pitching that people can be whispered by Fatah and when upset on whispers it can harm left further put in when a human being miss

Calcutta polish somebody you know Shaitaan some human being said - okay you know use the truggy know these drugs are very good when you you know take them you fly and you become you know something different we are in heaven you know that what people think so then we don't believe the first time second time third time until he convinced you and then you test then you test again more and more and start flying so and then what happens then the harm come to you so this harm has come he did not harm you but you listen to him harm has come to similarly when people listen to Shaitan her will come but you not shattered in making the harm you basically following and the harms coming - like that why are you balusters

hamsa once he said oh allah shaitaan has touched me with the heart and in other words he said you know Robin you know I read the book was from from the Quran what clear carranza well in the Torah are you with why you bite not a robber who a Nima's senator to harm has come to me Oh Oh Anton Orihime in other words a u.s.

Tom said what Okura Abdul now you inaudible and me must initiate oh no been a swimmer adapt Shaitan has caused me this tiredness and to that how the right manner is really when any harm happened to no doubt has come suffer from Shaitan Shaitan at all but Shaitan did not bring that cleared harm it based meaning you listen to Shaitaan you follow the device then it hyper resulted to Shaytan never can create any heart for anybody never happen it impossible he never bring the heart but what happens it when people listen to shatters advice that advice if you follow that that will result into some harm to death can happen to TomTom the Quran you know relate the heart to

Shaytan because this reason because you know all the coddle you listen to Shaytan you follow the shaitaan and that resulted into this harm you know the Koran said very clearly what a tactful a slacker volume in the samurai wala basara were four other could occur kana inamura if you don't know something then basically you don't you have no right to make a claim the first you have to know the chorus of rata formalize the Cameo if you don't know so all those people who claim that somebody has garbage in possession of something like Delta you ask them what it what is your proof how

do you know this thing what the proof and a lot sometimes far we need people you know from saying anything which for which they have no knowledge and this is our tell we don't have knowledge because we card sitting in what you see you know that know where you can see them what you see something different but you collect that this is something dinner you see certain you know a you know activity of some disturbance and they interpret that this could be Jean but they're not prefer that in Allah so Allah has created so many illness so many things in this world you know something with know something we don't know but if you don't know that we don't not not immediately that we have to claim something you know you know it

spiritual you know relate to jinn first thing it this thing has been discussed in detail by even a husband wajarri in his book at the middle of Anna had in other places so he said what let's see what is true about the jinn and what is not true we can accept the Shaitaan whispers we cannot accept the Shaitaan can run in the veins of the people we also accept that were certain whispers it can have effect on your face and your own your mood and your behavior all this we accept but to claim that Shaitaan can possess the people can control over them and they have no will no rather no power

socket Allah in a man who beat anyone who claims like that they observe something for which they have no knowledge no Hara Hara moon like a halo this unlawful Haram and not allowed anybody who claims they're making it a name for which they have no proof and certainly you know staying something like that with Hara Elijah were attack for Malaysia lock available if you don't know don't claim don't make anything let's be quiet say I don't know same Putin really just make it very clear I don't know Muhammad Allah Jim Cantore Rafa ala batata Allah bear harbour in sahih him this

think that Shaytan can possess Gina can possess somebody this womanly can be known through his sound report if you confront parcel Ali Salim voila Jabara a loser Lou Salim bhai Reema the karna and the prophets are doesn't never told anything a girl he only has told about whispering of Shaitan he never told the Shaitan can put it this never has come you know this thing if it is true really it is so hard food extreme in the Quran if Quran can mention of asparagus Shaitaan and karana mates very cliche tell your enemy if his enemy and he can posit that is the first intimation rather the machine the whispering karana message with carranza you know seek

protection to Allah so Allah from the whispering of Shaitaan it shall possess the fasting should be secret protection from Allah you know against and the possessor of the Shaitaan but that's prime never teach it well Quran teaches about our enemy clear in your Porsche hadoo mobile a clear enemy this decision never can come so he said there are no Hubbard from the parcel as in this metal will build ahead of you and then he said that was aha - Aparna it is also true the Shaitan can cause you know certain in disturbance in the behavior you know when the people do something that happen this is an the

Quran in Y admission all dossier anyway vahana super on vomit - Jebel Musa Hamas da-da-da-da-da hora fatten mint Audi Dilla's mean well cut the bill other than this means when people claim the possession this is the thumb people use and generator by these repeat those who do rupiah so these people have invented the stories nothing like that all the rakia people they are the one who have done the nothing that you know they just there lies the keep making lies and they create the way they do you know P it basically not only money it is money and some time in such things both things are

there even on wider scale energy emitted by basically money and the money they generate through these things and you know people can't believe how much money they get in this thing you know for any session Amata have a rockin of louder so this in the library you wanna have is the Hanafi he writes in his share of my lighter he said one a cinema emiru bill steer a determination on FEMA Allahu Sultan Ali Mejia illumise versa people I have been only commanded to ask Allah to protect them from the was associated you can see all the time the person doesn't ask

people to make out I would it pharmacist nothing is not no position if Shaytan computers that I would should be from dead but all the hadees after i would even the poor armor asif asteroid will languish at and regime and when operational readiness Maliki nasarah in us all that I would that has come in the Quran Sunnah it already bought whispering or are never makes a peep to ask that Kumar's people to ask Allah to protect them to save them from the position of the shatter but that's never happened to Maha we said when leting Allah has under watch a ton of got the power a Shaytan is God's power was awesome in America Shahada

min ash-shaytan free majora Yahoo Sultan Allah he is the one leading the Chattanooga purveyor or the saucer let any be sure what and then he goes on but he said then after that if people clear that Shaytan can cut hard to their property or can cut harder to animals or something under body this has no proof and there had no worse and Hadees has come to ask alice order to save the you know protector you know them from forum Shaitan regarding these two this never has come similarly if you look among the mafia rahim allah tala is you know kasia

and also in his mortality and mostly I basically don't believe this thing anyway so you know he also makes you can see there you have a very we have got him out to Hobby the Hanafi we have got a you know this not easily and then you see Marazzi in esta serie Marathi arrived he said a Shaitaan o la Poudre Donohue alaa batata a logical nassif in a Marathi well allah shaitaan has no power absolutely at all - cause in - you know cause people to fall in the illness Oh pain he had no no power so and similarly paramesha from Thais I know somebody mention we must suffer a heart Allah

Himself I said if somebody believes in this thing I will reject his witness with somebody believe that he has human gene I need we possess the gene or something like that I will reject it and this has coming in by happy you know Ravi a semi-auto chef ie a pool man Solomon who are al Jinnah avital Nash had Shahada Tahu in LA I could not be here if anybody who claims that he has seen the jinn we will invalidate his witness except if his prophet only prefer can see nobody else can see there's organic coming from even have the friary in his early middle volume number 5 and K number 12 he says

why why the aspirin wahala an around family da I knew your home Oh Cathy anybody he said that's what I said gene you can't see gene now if anybody connected the concision they're liars can laugh said you can't see them they see you but you can't see them if anybody collectively they can they can see them they're Liars in Lonnie Acuna Mel and BIA he must accept a profit profits can do Vitalik a more desert Elohim commonness rasoolallah seldom and notify Latin who shaitaan/the yep de la salle at abou this happened to the

parcel allison de Vaca - for the car to divert officially man Nicholas Bahamas the pannier al-madinah similarly about the Somalis now you know he got the question of Zinn and one of the ifreet big region you know he said to him this but in their style didn't happen imagine there are killer power more powerful than other they can do many many things but nobody can cook that control and la città only mere testing firstly militia and someone BR some prophets they can see them they have seen them made them and they became Muslim under a lock muscle Islam like the parcel as that is

but anyone other than other than the prophets we never had any proof of this thing that they've seen the gym you know they mix with them there's no proof at all and absolutely at least one of the Dovan the element is to live in inexorably madrasah he is to say to me that believing in all those things this birthday I guess Iman you noticed in the shuttle can do Jill can do all those things I guess Iman you know this in heaven this believers cannot goose believe in something like that so this is what you can see has come from the people you know in Islam earlier generationally something mean went in our time you know you know even type like Mahan's ideas from the fifth

century we must have used earlier than him and imam arrazi and all these people there are people who had missing this thing there have been few cases and another people who believe in this matter the Shaitaan can possess still can possess the beginning within the timing so that only beginning we can find really where he is to think that Jean possessed and they have control over the people and they can take away the will from them and he used to treat people like that and there are many story himself I'd mention is fat Awad and also you know his he stood evening had mentioned about him that he has seen you know every time you are doing this thing and in the tiny also had made a claim that you know somebody came

somebody a chef died and his students came to me tell me and they said our check after that has been writing letters to us and they showed the letter to me Thomas and I said to them no no this is not letter from your chef this is later of Jean and I know their writings so in the Tamiya claim that no yes in the writings of Jeannie he knows how they write things like that you know certainly we were really i respecting the timer of not Allah and I really learned from him a lot of the things but one thing has taught us they don't accept anything unless there is a proof from the Quran Sunnah now this we also test little tiny also with the same criteria in the Tamiya has claimed all

those discs but without any proof so there's no proof remiel Tamiya in the columns that I have seen my teacher taking out the jinn from the people yeah you could have seen that he has taken out something but how do you know tagine it could be anything like well people have illness or something you know coming like you know when people breath it you can see somebody's coming to cut something flying from mouth but how do they do what it makes you to take it is Jim how do you know what you look like how cookie Jean are around us do we know the can we look them if something comes coming off from the mouth how do you know that with certainty it is Jim the we don't we don't save me time yep I'm at line we say yes certainly there must be

something coming out from the mouth but then no single proof on the face of dirt that what came out that was did the new product it loosened in a la subtle it made many many illnesses for the people and you know and that exists for approve are what you can see sometimes sometimes what were high person somebody will be lying on unabated and erratic liar anyway Oren said don't believe in these people for a minute about these people anyway what the drug he will come and he makes some real some Quran and you can see the person is in flying rising above the bid it or trick and

claiming them those who want to tell the truth they are limited the or trick will play the trick to people can't believe you just think really how when you cure somebody he will rise about the bed why cure need something lager if you cross some wonderful what should happen is he should occur from the illness wife wife are cure you need somebody to rise above the bed why this will happen why they need for that why they need to cease us show some some magic this is they're making up to when you see something like that used to go there must be some because he said sometime war happen see that I the person they build the person you know this really the very well but

no doctor anybody who's a hit it really sim hitting the people for unnecessary if they build the person with the stick and you know so many things at the cries and let imagine is coming out from Sartell he was somebody's bitten you can asking anything will admit you say yeah you know is coming for Humanity and all the families helping the person trying is hind and all those day this person cannot relative and now we sing oh gee nice company say yeah he's coming out he and then people can see the genus come the nothing did this person has some illness some problems and health drops of cyclic a problem now you people are booting him and making a little bit too economist that there's Jean beside him and worse than that really is happening with with the women

did these people do so many things really you know the stories that have been mentioned the books earlier not only our time in our time it really so disturbed me and I really advise all the women never never got to desires they're really the ones just in just basically there there are people who have no more no character you know dead dude should not exist on the face of the earth this is draw directed people what they do if you do their stories you know what I enjoy a written a woman she did Xena so even basically she's no more bargain and in Arab culture nor the Muslim culture when you marry it was not the

sea with a luminous virgin or not as she she has lost you know the Baqarah so she came to one of these erotic people so he said I can cure I can make cure he says you have to pretend that your perigee disappearance he algorithm then the family became very much upset that she has got dinner and she's about to married and this and that so they got the woman jihad Elton is all in the book and it looked very early 2000 Santa Fe da so Joe I said then the broader the young girl to disrupting they already agreed on this matter so then they brought to the rocky look at the woman and they said to the family

you know I got the problem and I talked with the gene but Jenna said he can come out but wherever he comes out he's got to damage it if he can muster on the mouth he go to dine with them out if he comes out from the private part to he will remove the virginity of the woman the people said that is the easiest thing you know - okay make him to come out from that part - basically then if the people think it did you know who had damaged all those it this story had been made this thing in India on such a scale really many many women have become pregnant because of these people they said you know they make and the family the tussin these people so much they

leave the omen and disraeli alone and then this rock is you know they do certain time that perfumes and descender do they make the woman they become indifferent condition and they do all all those this is happening else in this country and you know on a bigger scale many may rocket in this country exactly do this thing I'm saying these stories just - you know - were the people don't believe in these people they they really are people you know deserve Casa falafel Matala and what the harder people you know and then you give them money and you there are people to be trusted the water the right position position this matter watch people should do that I'll teach you the

truth of the matter really is that certainly people have got many many illnesses someone unless it is actually in the body sometime illness can be mental sometimes comes psychological just once I've met so many innocent and for every illness he has made cure some type people don't make proper effort or find a cure but if you keep making effort you can't find a code go to write it that way unless I have made the worries that follow the right procedure that allows me if you follow the right procedure even if you don't succeed unlevel forgive you abort the process in every illness at got a cure good to find so this thing a killer a

basic and then how are the profits Anjali when the profits are unused to fall ill people ask I should not know around the Western said I asked my Mahalo Haifa that you know you know fact you know the Quran you know the hadith that week understand because you are wife of the first alsalam you know also Arab genealogy you know Arab report Lee do we understand because your father Abu Bakr Siddiq was expert of Arabic poetry he was Potiphar Guinea our genealogy it you know those you know how to interpret dream because your father is part of this thing but we don't understand how do you know so much about medicine miracle treat how do you know so much about that so she said because when the professor used to fall ill to Arab doctors used to

come to him and you know look at him and they used to prescribe certainties and I used to make those Melissa Farley for him data how I learned so the professor last that how he did that or right procedure is you know is think really if you people think that you read certain words it can cure illness who knows those words more than the professor also people say if you read Sutra father's cure from every illness if this is what it means what you think really then why the Prophet then the Prophet read through the taffeta there he read more than us why the professor need to go to a doctor just think if you take the meaning of this Hadees actually is that any unless

you just will fight that you're cured if this is the meaning then tell me that during the professor will the suits father why didn't he write what that equal to dr. why the companies he went to doctor why in Islam Muslims develop that to him because you know signs so much why it happened if a sutra attack and kill the people that is the meaning then why people do this thing if people say that certain if you have a headache you read this verse you never came if you have a stomachache you do this thing even this problem could they have gone actually that they have made it you know Doha a medical treatment from the Quran actually they call this did in or align the Quran or Davao a bit of Quran or

third Avenue from they made these things that they were could publish the book with the treat people by the Quran but the people who published the book when they fall ill they go to doctor for you have they made this book the publishing and the printed that you get money but when they fall ill they go to doctors because they know this is not Allah saw that did not send the poorer for this purpose this is misuse at the Quran disrespect at the book the book has got come to guide you to make with proper human being that would intercut far this more thing exactly anybody can you know develop medical medical science would intercut further purpose misuse of the book but people are Kiptyn and many many more lamar do the delphi a lot more more

mislead so by doing after allah ma it does not become varied because the professor does myself very clearly Monica does Fe a marina hada malai Cimino the Hawara to anybody who elements in our religion what I did not have found religion it is rejected anybody anybody believes something the reason our frontal region reacted the Professor Larson and also hotel never never allowed people to do this thing the Quran never came for this purpose they said they're either Hadees that somebody in or another tribe a little tribe we know he was hot problem and then what a companion he know he he read surah fatah he became code yeah certainly this thing can happen under so

hot Allah can do to him he wanted to help those companies because didn't have any food he wanted to help them to get the food but this is not that never people used to fold a you to for elder father and also if this is the true then why you need not be carting read Fatiha if you relate thanks to the reading the father can cure you telling me really wide then you need rocky who among you say who can EE father themselves why do these people surah fatah can choose the father can cure everybody for every illness their wine with rustic wine why they needed so you know this hadith sir

Mahadevi amoreena hada male stamina for a - amar Chaudhary said falmouth today in Surat Allah he will assign Holly or mythology unnecessary Atta lambda Timah the person who in verse something the religion he basically what to say - alia was not complete when are complete one uber km you know Amina Xie Jia Jia mr.

ha Bush Dracula there are something left and now we need to complete that what he's saying so this is big accusation against the professor listen I guess al-aswad Allah and our parcel o man of Raman Beamer if draw like a river who is more wrongdoer than those purely mental I guess Allah the messenger if people in midlife so this a lie has gone and very very large disc instead no proof are these people about any of this course they do and most of the course that they do it in 30 anyway but even if they use the Quran did not proof are that what actually is proof are that certainly no doubt there's art ever said the Quran their meaning is so clear if you read them you understand their meaning which

were helping you a ghetto whispering of Shaitan and they make stronger against many many are those problems just true but for that you don't need anybody else you need to develop understanding of the point yourself read yourself the professor learn lesson did not say that somebody else read for you read for yourself you read yourself you know all the truth are for yourself admirably fell across would have been a see for yourself who's the fattest for you you don't need anybody to in with the name of Rakhi to come and to do for you this is what you never never found really I never have found in my life I asked many Allah I will neither told a mother and cousin stop the people all the time coming I never found my life any story

were gentleman because in America nowhere I even ask people who do this thing you know how much trick they do one of my teacher mention about her one of his friend he used to write Toffees for the children did you if you want a baby what used to write actually in that one is it you know LaRocca and a lucky boy not you know girl not a cardinal or a key if you get an Alka whoa hirotaka lady says yeah I wrote do you give me a lot of money if you get daughter this is that I wrote not a karna lucky you could not have anything if you don't

have anything said that why I wrote not a camera lucky no never happen generally one of these didn't happen yet for you to write so what happened one of our live another at him you know he did not happen he married he did not have any any children you know far long time so now his family for Women Act remote believe in distant to women first then you have to go now to rock this at this man he can write something he said no no I don't believe in this thing but they kept forcing kept forcing he kept recheck and said that you know my women are forcing me to come to this rally is a no no don't do it say Haram he listened to shake one year second year then the woman said no good must listen to he kept to share I said no you

have been asking me to stop you know but in most you like not have child now we're not forcing I must go to this man the shack said were to only for nine months it within the nine must your wife does not get the son you can go to him within nine much he got a son you know a child born then he kept to the shack I said how do you lose this and how we wives thick how could you allow because you don't like this thing anyway however allowed me after nine much to go he said very insisted upon me that you must go to him then I realize you are going to have eNOS son and now Shaytan wants you to go to this roughly he gets tough with and you got son and you believe that he has given the son I knew I realized this thing

that you got to have son anyway do you did not go as an happen if you had gone to Turkey he would have thinking that you see I listened to darling nothing happened I went to Rocky I got a son this team you know people and in India let's play sodomy Sheriff one of the big shrine you know what happens is when you go there as soon as you get off the train station somebody will meet we said why what I'm going with one go to shrine you know I don't have a son they saw you came to write please let me happened to me that I did not have any son and then I came to this place I got a son then I'm not personally meet oh we're going I don't have son I came to Fubuki I say oh you are right place because my my relatively

nerves and by the way until you do to the shrine three four or five people will tell you the same similar stories now you believe you go there I give a lot of money but then you have son are you doing buddy know them if you get son you will tell everybody if you don't get son you think curse yourself because you think you know so many people have true story I the one who did not get time unlucky this is what happened it really in the business in all over the world liars the lying the inventing you know in the nephilim hot right no doubt we in the day of judgment their punishment will be so severe but I don't understand how people believe in this thing that I don't vary your mind is there not dinner Allah give you mind don't you think

relieve people people believe if you like that you who have no Iman no Turk one no party no Seraph Allah and if pyramid the only are running after your money you just want to take from money from you and give me believe in this tooth so you know this is really very dangerous very very Muslim read to you know people who don't nothing you know more telephone up but they don't believe in this team they don't believe in jibt at all anyway Mozilla to water first it is told turn our so bi jahi one at the house and more easily well there were already so nobody was there for a moment somebody pull a car somewhere this already lived alone in the house a thief's entire to house in

the night with the black lot and all those days he was thinking she's already and he will frighten her that in the gym and she will run away then he can steal everything but he did not know that she's mortally she that believe in digit so he came to the house and he pretended that in the gym and hidden hidden are blooming Imogene she took the sticker she started beating him until she killed him and the people sold he was thinking that you know she must be like all those women who believed Godinho dark clothes nor does it threaten the woman but she knew that the nujin to them you know why gender why this gene don't come to I tell people I don't believe in the this gene - why don't they come to me

that you don't believe me that should to fight me that means don't believe me do you make everybody - no disrespect us I die insert them I humor them I don't respect any Imogen why the door come to me think really you know I go for the Priya I'll go for the potato - stop me and I already stopped people from believing them did not ever whenever I go for the prayer know she'd come and stop me you know just think not only meet happy many many of these you know people who are atheist don't believe anything nothing can come to me to them nothing happens in many many Muslims non-muslims bring this thing nothing ever didn't only happen about those who have got this week belief they

think they're you know there's something like that they are the one who suffer from the still and were there more ignores these more cases in the villages you know in people who were not learner this could happen more among them people are have any sense any knowledge any wisdom anything they never affected by anything like that so it was this really big lie Nikolai I guess Allah the messenger to sing something like that and to spread this rumor among the people to get the peoples of money and could take the honor of the women this really no doubt you know it really the punishment will be very very severe in the dev team

so when we speak about possessions there's an understanding that people have that are like demons out there and these demons that people envisage are the the shayateen or the jinn and they come and take over they somehow people may vary in the interpretation but they come into the mind or they take over the body of people and usually what they do is they make a person go ill this is the public perception I'm just saying I'm not saying this is correct um this is what the myths the general urban myth out there is that once these demons have

possessed people they usually become ill they developed some kind of perceptible mental health issues so they become weird they might appear obsessive they've got OCD this is this is what people their relationships usually mess up this is one of the key things that okay the relationships going downhill it's usually all they've developed some kind of illness or about of insanity they act weird or sometimes what could be called catatonic schizophrenia so

they they develop weird limp actions and they freeze and - you know these kind of gestures going on and so this is usually when people see this this is what they picture as Djinn possessions and also in the bouts of insanity they're screaming and shouting and anxiety and all this stuff now a first the key question is why why would the Djinn be doing this that's one question comes to mind we're not saying it's definitely not true but let's just entertaining this premise for a moment why would the Djinn be doing

this what is the objective of the Djinn in doing this to start off with well the key thing that comes to mind that most people believe that the kind of cultural myths out there is to create mischief on earth this is the interpretation that to create fitna and facade and to destroy relationships and to harm bani adam' this is what people think so that's the topic and it's not the topic so this is the problem at hand that we're trying to deconstruct and show we'll actually now with that in mind

that picture let's go back to the true sources the Quran the Sunnah the authentic Sunnah and and and out the sound voice of reason and let's take a look at this right gene possession demonic possessions the way people pictured this understanding that we've defined does not actually exist but I want to go into why do people where is this confusion stemming from within the Quran and Sunnah where is this coming from and then I want to take a look at

psychological kind of perspectives and also highlight some chakra had highlighted earlier on about sometimes there are medical issues which we don't know like sometimes there's a problem we don't know why that is and but just by not knowing does it mean it's the jinn this will and that's a hundred percent valid point and I will highlight as well some psychological cases that I want to share with you guys but that will be my in my second part I want to take a look at that to just show the complexity of some cases and if you go back a few decades how that could be so easily

inexplicable and you have to remember that the backdrop to all of this is coming from a single point and that is human beings trying to explain what's going on around them you see we have to remember that historically the most learned people in any society were the scholars were the religious scholars of any religion so in Christianity the monks were the people who could read and write in Hinduism the Brahmins in Islam the ulama

but in Islam there is this thing that all Muslims should read the Quran so there was literacy to that level but the most people if you think about it historically were just farmers most of society was always just farmers this worked lived on a farm their entire life then you had city small versions of cities not like today's and and people generally speaking you know they had trade and they did their things but lives were relatively simple people who learnt stuff who studied mathematics who studied trigonometry who studied philosophy history of the world poetry who studied belief who studied

other religions who study this was just the Olimar who dedicated a huge portion of their lives to learning and then usually went on to teach or become judges and things like this your normal you know in the past you wouldn't go to buy something from a shop and the guy happens to be you know for hobby he happens to be a researcher on mathematics so he happens to be somebody who's deeply read on history you this doesn't didn't happen ever it was not like I mean I don't mean as a totally somebody who was an expert and then did a job like but this was not the norm at all so let's say you had a llama

in the past speaking about atoms can an atom an atom actually linguistically means something that can't be divided any further so you had people like avocado broccolini or debating with other allama of the Asha era and other motor kala mean can and can they be a juice or ladle a the dessert can they be an atom oh is that further reducible think about it why whoa and they arguing this they're going on time after time after time you think today Olimar wouldn't do that but why would it you have detailed discussions on where

is the akhul where is the artal in the past many ala ma what is it in the demo in the brain many ala ma said no naka lain in the de ma why why are they bringing these questions to the all about who else should they take two people say you know you have a girl you have cognition we're is it people said well hmm so the ulema are using the resources to come up with answers these are not necessarily religious questions these are just worldly human questions but they so the olam are saying oh but Allah

says you know I love earth either you know we gave you heart after latter afternoon don't you think hmm the flood the heart is where Akalis in mama behind it so you get quotes from many of the self saying the heart is with uh Calise imam abu hanifa actually said the de mal is with alkyl was but many people disagreed with him back then they believed that the mark like greek philosophy just had these humans in it these kind of fluids and gases which kind of just influence your temperament why is this important to understand that

people were coming with normal whatever problems asking these people to explain them and they had took they were trying to come up with some answer to help these people right so that is because we need to keep that in mind when we're dealing with this so why are the ulama where's this confusion coming from within islam certain verses had historically been debated verses in the quran allah speaks about a very popular verse that when allah speaks about those

people who take of RIBA liya home owner Allah , Akuma lady at the Hobbit or Shaitaan or anonymous those who take a river do not kind of go about the daily affairs except how liya come on or they do not stand or however you want to see this or lie upon muna as though they do not go about the daily face except as though somebody who has been yet the hot butter in Arabic means to become unstable like you've kind of like you've been all over the place as though somebody has become unstable due to mus like this touch by a devil

or a demon what does this mean so some people said well okay so what people coming to this people who are supporting this whole gene possession they say ah well here's a verse in the Quran highlighting this first of all people who were taking RIBA were not doing that they were people who look normal people who were taking River weren't actually acting mental they were just people looking out for the interests they were just saying no I'll give you 100 if he can bring me back 200 at the end of the month they weren't kind of like all over the place and acting like

lunatics so many more first Selene had highlighted this is talking about in the arc era that lie a homeowner ll al-qaeda Oh min kabura him or when they come from rise from the graves they will be all over the place and some people said no this is so so it's not even talking it's got nothing to do with this you know Djinn possession some people said oh well this is speaking here about them in their lust and greed that this is how it's as though they possessed they're so greedy they don't want to help people

this greed is so overtaking them it's as though they've lost their mental faculty but why this must summon a Shaitaan why this this touch of the of the Shaitaan why does it have a reality why would Allah use this as an example if it wasn't real this is the question so here may many people hide highlighted including them of us here like even our Thea and other people that this is imagery that Allah grows upon the

imagination of mankind when he's addressing them let's take another example let's take a look at the verse in the Quran well I speaking about Jahannam and he says that in there there's this tree shall return means our home this this devastating tree and then last days that Aloha I know a narrow social theme that it emerges as though it's the heads of Devils have you seen a

devil has anybody seen a devil so how do they know what that's supposed to mean when you say that oh this tree looks like it's the heads of Devils I haven't seen a devil that's because it's okay you have imagined Allah knows ezel imbecile teehee he knows they have creation that they have imagination and then what's interesting he has a side note is that in life the most intimidating and frightening phenomenon that you will ever encounter right

throughout life contrary to what you may think is actually your own imagination your own imagination is far more scarier than anything actually out there what you actually imagine scares the hell out of you so Allah is growing upon the imagination of people so this verse is one of the key verses that is misused or misinterpreted by people who grupe drew into this or draw upon this whole x-gene demonic possession kind of narrative a

few hadith I want to highlight as well and I'm sure the sheriff will be highlighting as well several perspectives but just popularly these are brought to the disco straight away because I wanted to take a look at the religious kind of aspect first and the kind of rational and then come back to the psychological and stuff like that in the in the second section so there's a few had the three hadith first of all I just want to highlight there isn't a single sorry sorry hadith in this bar not a single hadith that is free of criticism

there are a few hadith I mean there are many hadees which are just completely week or week there are certain which rise above that weakness thing and I'll just highlight the two or three that are usually used in this context but there is nothing which is sorry and sorry unquestionably so as in is free from criticism taking into consideration like just take this point into consideration that the messenger of allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam has come as a paragon of mercy for mankind not just for the Sahaba or for the people around him for

ever and he never transmits this he doesn't teach people about this and think think about it this is going to impact us all every day and he forgets to tell us or he chooses not to tell us clearly I mean think about it so the hadith that are usually used is a hadith to do with there's a transmitter yeah like Nomura that he accompanies the Prophet he's a person from beneath a thief who accompanies the Prophet on a journey and he says that I saw three things which nobody else saw and one of them was that when the Prophet was

walking past this lady on a journey she had a baby was crying and the Prophet said okay knee exercises this and he brings out this diamond this is one narration that is used not a stab not sorry I mean some have tried to argue it to be sorry but not unquestionably sorry so as in is not free from their owie is usually the popular revert of it is man jalapeno armor it's been criticized you've got people like Abdul Rahman but whoever is in the chain has had criticism okay second hadith to hide and the fact that this hadith actually says I saw three things one of them this which nobody else saw and the gene

affects everybody and the Prophet decided to just show one person and never tell the other people in itself is absurd that the Prophet wouldn't teach us how to protect ourselves second understanding a second hadith is one of Earthmen enable us once again from beneath that if the is thought of he who comes to the Prophet in a delegation in 93 and he complained now this hadith is transmitted in different books one in Sahih Muslim and in other books even imagine the brawny and generation kind of varies a bit the sahih narration which is sound is that it comes to prophet and he says that I'm

struggling with the Quran this is what he says and he says I'm struggling with this inside Muslim and he doesn't mention exactly what the struggle is but he says that I struggle with the Quran and the Prophet says to him he tells him and in the hadith he kind of Fedora by Sabra who be yeti-like he kind of like taps his chest with his hand and he tells him that on McCormick's go and lead your people for in them in home of the evil away and they've got different mixed abilities in them you are strong people weak people so on and he says after that wallahi the Quran was always with me like I never

now in other narrations that narration is sahi other narrations which are criticized and weak and some people have tried to say they're okay but they they not sound as in they're not unquestionable they've been questioned and weakened by some people that he says oh I've got a Shaitaan or and the Prophet says he kind of aspirates like just but that kind of tougher what we call in Arabic and it's like slightly with salivated aspiration I've got like this towards him and and and he opens his mouth and and he says oh I do Allah come out the enemy of Allah and and something comes out this is not

established okay Imam no we when commenting on this inside Muslim says all of these rewards they are talking about one kissa and he says that and there is no evidence in these that is to do with jinn possession he says that this is most likely he says when he was struggling with the Quran it was either health o Imam no he says maybe it was kibble that he felt arrogant that he was leading his people and so this is what Imam no we highlights on this and he says that this is the narration in which none of this is mentioned there's another hadith which people bring quite a bit which is to do

with a woman a burn once again very criticized that she speaks about her grandfather saying her grandfather came with the child saying that the child is ill and the Prophet says you know same kind of thing overage yeah I do a lot come out or enemy of Allah and they saw something coming out heavily criticized some people just say by Eve some people said it's very weak and some people try to strengthen these incidents but once again nothing sorry sorry for such a ubiquitous event for something that would affect everybody the Prophet doesn't really transmit anything in

sound transmission so it's important to to take this this understanding we will be hearing a lot more about ulema that have taken certain positions that have what they've said and on both sides and I want to go into some psychological cases as well to explain things like that but the most important thing here is that what I want to highlight something and that is that it's actually I mean it's been said earlier on today you heard earlier on today but also people like Imam others early of highlight here and many of the people that bill Oakley you are a for statehood

team that we only know whether something is accurate through reason when the Quran came to people you see this is people's logic today people's logic today is why is this true because they say some here well how do you know that's true because it's a ha like so for example how do you know the Quran is true well I say so in the Quran that's an illogical statement that's not even how that's not how the Quran came to us to to invite us to the Quran Allah said

what he didn't say a larger to say believe in me why because I said so in the Quran and who revealed the Quran I did and therefore believing me because I said believe in me in the Quran I said I fell on the Runa a little Emily k4 holy pot do they not look at the avila LS mi a kafir don't they look at the sky don't they look here don't does it make any sense this world has come like this after that act alone do you not ponder ponder over the correlator the Burman Quran is there any

s telephony is there Allah is calling you to the voice of reason he saying believe me he's condemning this thing of saying O Hara or jet na la Habana when you say to them listen to reason they say oh no no this is what our forefathers used to do so how could you so the Quran itself comes with this understanding that look you have to resort to reason now with reason you can accept you do accept I accept the Quran I accept this it makes sense to me but when we come across these issues we have to bounce

them back on this voice of reason through accessing the Quran so it's important that this is this is something that I want us all to to keep in mind because this is very key to this topic of demonic possessions and stuff like this that we are we getting all these ideas from to some it to some this this segment I just want to say that we're are we getting all these ideas from because when we if we if you came in a vacuum you had no cultural history you were just an alien you just came approach the Quran and read this you wouldn't have this understanding that these things

happen and the fact the second point that look people had to explain phenomenon that occurred to them in their environment and they use the best understanding they could and they saw people acting weird they can explain it maybe it is the jinn maybe it is so so they accepted it but whatever as time progresses and we get a greater understanding of what's going on people miss you several evidences and I'd highlighted before that our understanding comes to us either through what is textual rational experiential or

cultural sources this is where we derive our knowledge from now what's interesting is there is a hadith that is used a lot by people and this in itself if we just sometimes just pause with hadith or evidences when they're being used by people and just look at the bigger picture it has the answer in it so we just heard a hadith share a crime I just read a hadith which is used by many such people that in the shaitaan a dream in Menomonee adam measured at them the shade Shaitan he flows through the

blood off of the son of Adam through through people this is how he now this hadith it has a content the actual hadith contains the context that the Prophet is walking with his wife and there's a group of people standing there and as they walk past they carry on and the Prophet stops and he comes back and he says in a Sofia but that's my wife Sofia by the way with me and they say subhana Kalodner Subhan Allah ya rasulallah you don't need to say anything as though you don't need to justify to us you know your rasulallah

this is in the context of the hadith this society this is in the hadith they say Subhan Allah ya Rasulullah you know you you you are who you are and he says in the shaitaan and Yeji demon apne atom metadata that Shaitaan that the insinuations of the Shaitaan are with each and all these people weren't possessed this we were like acting all like unstable and they were all over the place and they weren't behaving any weird symptom and displaying any weird symptoms they were just the facts suspicions that's what the Prophet was speaking about that look I'm not saying you were being suspicious

but it is human to sometimes have insinuations have negative it's about people that's human so just keeping that in mind and I want us to take a look at the experiential and then the psychological right just speaking before we get into that you just heard some examples about people being so easily conned into a culture this is a massive this is a multi-million pound industry that said I'm not saying that everybody in it is necessarily devious

and plotting people actually buy into the idea as well so I'm not saying people some many of these Iraqis may be very sincere in what they do they've just bought into the idea that's all experiences is an interesting one why is it that we only take our experiences you heard just a few minutes ago that these gene problems only seem to affect those people who believe in them you don't see atheists you don't see mega atheists you don't see non-muslims getting afflicted now and why only our experiences if we're gonna say yeah because a lot of people when you tell them these things

don't exist I'll tell you the first thing they'll say they won't say yeah but it's some may say now that oh because of this hadith or that because they've learned that but most people would say ah no no no my uncle his nephew or his new eyes witnessed or I know somebody who this happened to or my auntie or my mother people will use expert anecdotal experiences to say oh but so-and-so they experience this the question is why only our experiences why not everybody's experiences why not other faiths why do we discount

immediately things like reincarnation I I've quoted before on several occasions why do we discount miracles of of the Hindu Saddles and what why immediately even though they could have millions of followers and I've caught an example of who was very famous in his time Satya Sai Baba saying that he had demonstrated in front of apparently millions of people miracles and he had millions attesting to his miracles yet you wouldn't for a second entertain it like if I told you that even for a second

you won't entertain him you won't even think for a few seconds you know maybe he is doing all of this you'll just dismiss it immediately and and the interesting thing is you'll start to reason against it you start to use reason even though when I present let's say I present cases of demonic possessions you'll never resort to reason but to discount and discredit other religions immediately the voice of reason is called up like when you say oh but this is dumb in say oh but it's absurd in Christianity to say 3 equals 1 they don't say well you say well why is

absurd oh because Allah says in the Quran no they say because look logic it doesn't make sense they say it's absurd to say oh the the Hindu mythology this is absurd why not because Allah says because it's absurd they say it doesn't make any sense when you present the same thing from what has been is Lama sized they shut down no no no it doesn't matter I've experienced now what's interesting there has been a psychological study on certain people when they're going through religious experiences and they're listening to their preachers and they're listening to like the attending church or they're

attending things and people have checked it and they've measured kind of brain neural activity and they thought what they were going you can find these kind of the results of this online they thought they were going to find a lot of certain neurotransmitters being released and positive feelings and all this year like you know they the preachers going on and but what they actually found was the the the prefrontal cortex which is involved in a lot of our thinking and rational thing actually activity and it shuts down when we're going through our own religious stuff when we're engaging in our religious kind of ceremonies neural

activity in the prefrontal cortex seems to shut down which is interesting so people block themselves from reasoning when it comes to their own faith that's just I thought well and I'll you see when I said here that we don't see gene possessions happening with Kafar or with atheists or something people might say oh but how do you not know that the mental illnesses are not gene possessions you see this is like I want to give you an allegory a kind of a story paradigm of of a child who doesn't

understand the world and asks its mother asks the you know the mother why is this happening why is that being what is happening and the mother doesn't have the answers so the mother says well what are these is the mother comes up with a a cyborg invasion paradigm where the son mother says what it is is these cyborgs these kind of like human-like artificial intelligence has actually is responsible for everything that's the mother's answer so the mother says that this is what's making so why is this happening oh because artificial intelligence and these cyborgs have done this and they've

done this and oh they've convinced this person to do this so this becomes the conspiracy now the child because it trusts the mother takes on this paradigm the child can use this to answer anything that it can't understand in the world so when you say oh but why is it earthquake oh but this was a conspiracy which really the cyborgs and oh but why is you know Donald Trump doing this really Donald Trump has been convinced by the cyborgs who have done the OH electronic stuff is like if you've just got one version to answer everything

then yes you can do that but it doesn't make it true like Muslims have got this aunt like their version of this cyborg paradigm is gin anything OSHA's the gentleman over he doesn't accept it because he's already influenced by the jinn oh but oh this person had a mentor that was the gym oh this happened this this is magic oh well that was the gin oh so it's just this you have one plastic the plasticity because it stretches you can just fit this on anything this is in religious in philosophy of religion you study this this example by

by somebody known as basil Mitchell known as the parable of the partisan and the stranger and he says that this is what faith people do the partisan is this person who is part of a movement a revolution and there's a struggle going on but he meets this stranger one day who he doesn't know the stranger somehow wins his trust and tells him that he is actually the leader of this revolution that he's a part of because this is obviously picturing back in the days when you never had social median stuff so he says it convinces him I am

actually the leader of this so imagine it's me and I now bump into into you and you're a strong you believe in this and I tell you I am the actual leader of this and stay strong I want you to stay strong on this hang in there but then I tell you that by the way you will see me on this side and acting to the contrary to what the cause stands for but this is all part of the greater plan so no matter what you see me say in public do not fall for it I am with you and it's for the cause now you see once you buy

into that it doesn't matter what I say or do in the real world you will rationalize it I could now stand there and tell you oh by the way this whole thing was a lie oh the cause was just something I made up to make money but you'll be like ha ha ha he's acting's good good good he's really in character and I'll be like no no it really is nonsense nonsense you see now it doesn't matter what I say you've bought in to this parable that's it you're locked in so basil Michell gives this example about this is

how religion works with a lot of people so it's interesting and they call that by the way non propositional faith we you're not you don't care whether evidence or reason or anything contradicts what you believe you just don't care because in your mind oh it's all part of the bigger pitch oh it's meant to trick me Oh Sian oh this is the shaitaan tricking me this is part of the test like I'm not supposed to buy into it because if I bought into it that's part of the test so you see then it becomes like there's no way to win now it's game over like for anybody who tries so so it's

important to keep these things in mind why is this so important to tackle this topic it's important because one the mockery that is being made out of Islam alone is messenger in the name of these myths and to the tyranny of abuse that is being conducted with this belief it is indiscreet is it is unbelievable I mean you've heard some stories from Chef Akram no do we serve right now but this

countless stories abuse beatings violence sexual violence just power structures destroying lives destroying families exploitation money embezzlement countless countless like people they will extract this so much going on people or take money they will take a thousand pounds per you know more people have houses given to them I had somebody tell me about a case where the person said ok in order to cure this the evil Messiah on this house you have to really

just give it away in the name of Allah and really you should just maybe you should just give it to me and all blessing and they did they gifted it to the the chef then I mean this is when I hear these stories I realize I'm in the wrong business that's the business you need to be in so this is so it's the abuse that's being and will this abuse because it's being is llama sized it's been given an Islamic vignette what's going to take the brunt of in the end is Islam so people will just say you know what Islam is just a load of nonsense and you might

not say I might not say but the coming generations our children when they grow up they probably say you know this is just mythology Islam has just become mythology like Zeus and Apollo and the Greek gods or the Hindu gods it says store reason because it's nonsensical so I wanted to highlight that and I want to show some when we can't explain things okay when we can't explain that just to us as a few seconds to touch-up we have to understand that look in science science has has gone through many like when we

look at the domain of life it is so diverse and this is something I want to come back to when we speak I just want when I touch up on relationships being impacted with this but when when we can't understand things look in psychiatry and psychology you've got something called neurosis and psychosis yeah neurosis is like well when it's like weird things we had beliefs that we can all have or we display weird things and we can all do this is a natural to a great extent we can all I'll probably say we are all weird in our own way there's nothing wrong about that okay to

a certain extent but some people can't differentiate that weirdness with normalness so you might be weird when you're at home but when you're in front of people you can behave normally some people can't do that that falls into psychosis they can't snap out of it okay and we have many today I'm not saying we have all the answers but we have some answers that give us shed light about things that can explain whoa how would people have explained this in the past I've touched up on something in the past

saying things like Palin op SIA a visual kind of when you have a problem with after images now check this out everybody if you look at something in in bright light and you look away you can maybe for a fraction of a second hat see an after image in some conditions that actually persists for much longer abnormally and much stronger it's not a like a shadow after image it's like a clear after image like I look at the phone they I look there can see the phone there that actually is called Palin op see and you can and in certain condition affects people now can you imagine in a village a few hundred years

and this happens with people I see you here now I look there see you then how would I explain that in the past what an abnormality in the brain no maybe you're a demon I see you in many places this is very you know this there's a condition I've once again I think I've highlighted before and it's worth highlighting called the the Charles of the Charles bonnet syndrome where the part in the brain called the fusiform gyrus and this part it gets this it gets affected for whatever

reason there's some abnormality in it now people with this start to see this is the part of the brain that processes images imagery about things like teeth geometric sizes buildings so when there's an abnormality and it usually affects people sometimes who are getting losing their sight or hearing and the brain starts to compensate by over activity in in the fusiform gyrus so they will see things like people were with strange buildings they will see people with stretched faces and weird teeth so there's a famous case where the

neurologist Oliver Sacks speaks about speaking to this lady who sees these men walking in Eastern dress clothing with long teeth and he asks her that and she says am I going mental and he says that these people what do they do when you see them are they trying to harm you and she says no there's not trying to harm me at all see this is the difference between cycles where people believe that oh no I'm getting attacked like in schizophrenia or different kind of disorders she says I see them but I know they're not real but I can see them and it's weird because it's like a movie but it's and he explains to it this is part

of the Charles bonnet syndrome and when they check that part of the brain where a normal person if you see teeth do you know if you see teeth there's a part of the brain that actually activates four teeth around there's a neuro within the fusiform gyrus the neural activity now that part is getting activated now they can suppress this with drugs you can give drugs and that will just suppress activity how would you explain this in the past if somebody came to you and said oh I see teeth and I see people I see buildings you would have no kind of

explanations and an hour and let alone we've seen we also heard some examples of where people sometimes do get better you know people say oh but so-and-so did this a rookie and they got better I want to highlight two people the placebo effect okay this - actually this it's actually interesting because there's a study I'll bring your attention to as well it's by Ted Kaptchuk who is an associate professor at Harvard University a medical professor I bring you want to bring your attention to some of his studies but before that I just want to highlight there's a placebo

effect where you think something is happening and it's actually happening it like it creates it and this the opposite called the nocebo effect which causes harm well you actually can cause harm and this actually happens and has been tested and trial I mean through trials it's not just something that people have made up but what was interesting about this study just to highlight the placebo effect is Ted Kaptchuk what he had done was with about 200 seventy subjects they wanted to test them who were suffering from certain pains to do with the wrists or they had like the carpal syndrome or the elbows

or shoulders were hurting he got half of them and he was administered them a pill which was actually just nothing it's just like just made out of cornstarch or whatever in just this useless pill but told them that okay this may have these kind of side-effects and this is what it was and the other half were administered acupuncture and they were told that why don't you take some acupuncture and stuff like these have you got stress you know it's hurting he rights hurting here and you know with the needles acupuncture you're all aware of it so what happened is to their amazement almost a third of the people started to

complain and some very severely of the side effects that they warned including you know from sluggish behavior to not being able to get out of bed to excruciating pain to being like all feeling dizzy I can't do the the exact symptoms which they warned off a third the the half that he had given acupuncture much more of them a great quantity of them actually said that they felt a lot better and they felt relief now so from this study you could say well that's brilliant acupuncture works better than medicine well actually it

doesn't because both were a sham not only were the pills he was giving fake but the needles that he was using were actually retractable and didn't even go in the skin they were actually just giving the illusion that they were using needles they weren't actually there were sham needles the interesting thing this showed was that people the pain that people were feeling insomnia Congo to sleep nausea throwing up was real it was actually happening this wasn't like oh they weren't throwing up the person was actually really throwing up they were really feeling pain it's called

psychosomatic behavior when you actually can get ill it's called the nocebo effect and the placebo effect where you can actually get better so when people are going through gin exorcisms or rupiah or things like this things can actually work it's not that they but they could work anyway it's like you heard chefs say that you know but some people would get better anyway it's not an it's a bit like that scam you know if I go through it with so many people by the end of it I'm gonna have a hard coke cult that definitely always get better like imagine you did that same experiment but with exorcism or with rupiah same thing

somebody could ask what is the purpose of Rokia see a Rukia in my understanding first of all the Quran when it came to say that the Quran is a Schieffer we need to read the full verse don't just stop way says what Schieffer he says she fell only Muffy's so do it is a surefire for what is in the hearts what is it talking about like what like like cardiological heart diseases it's not talking about heart diseases it's talking about disbelief qu4 superstitions myths these very things

which islam came to eradicate now you might say well give up you know what so what what why these Rukia then why this first of all we do believe that look Allah knows his creation and how he helps his creation is not sometimes truly understood by us but at the same time these things work as a scaffolding to help people until they a man becomes stable because when you come from it is very easy for humans to fall into superstitious behavior it's very easy we too easily in fact part of the study and

that that I spoke about of Ted Kaptchuk they've realized that you know with the acupuncture that rituals one of the findings was that rituals and drugs use the very same biochemical pathways in the brain that was groundbreaking to realize that that when people are undergoing rituals it's highlighting the same neural activity that why that drugs would use the same pathways so there is

this that human beings are very easy misguided into superstition so rukia and these things have been set as a scaffolding with a large name to guide people to a pure Iman so it is a scaffolding it's like a Zimmer frame to help you walk until you can walk it's that kind of to help you along the way because you need you see when people said oh Brahma like to the Prophet or what about superstition and he told them to do all along my Latoya Ella Trudeau Kuala Huayra ilaha illa

Allah have a look he could have just said relax there is no totally or there is no you know especially you don't need to worry about it why teach them a dua that - one which has almost a ritualistic rhythm to it because the mind clings to rituals and people need that to become strong in their Iman so with this I want to just give you some examples of some conditions psychological disorders now check these out and just think in the past trying to examine these now there's a condition

known as you've got prosopagnosia yeah now this is a condition known as face blindness it can happen to people who are stroke victims or they could happen due to mental health sometimes and they say maybe two to two-and-a-half percent of people in the world are born with it it is an inability to distinguish between faces so there's a section in what we said the fusiform gyrus which is known as the FFA the facial fusiform area which humans used to distinguish between faces why does your face not look like his face not look like like if you think about it like if you look at a

crawl right a crawl all their faces all look the same to us but to the crows they I'm sure they can distinguish so how do humans distinguish between human faces like we use this area in the brain now there is a disorder known as prosopagnosia where you can't tell the difference like if I hear your voice out oh my god that's you but when I look at you I can't I think I just can't recognize your face like I can see your face but I can't recognize it now that is and when that happens it happens

later on in like let's say with a stroke or something and you can imagine the whole chrome and how would people in the past say say well maybe magic has been done on to you maybe you've had the you know some something has possessed you there's something known as mirror-touch synesthesia now this is where you can actually feel what somebody else that you're looking at may be feeling so if right now let's say somebody hugged somebody else and if you suffered from mirror-touch synesthesia you would

actually feel being hugged you would actually sometimes feel pain like if I saw somebody getting hurt I would feel that pain under this you can google phantom limbs sometimes people have lost their limbs and yet they can still like they've been amputated in an accident or something and they can still so they've lost their arm but they can still feel the pain in their arm there's huge Studies on this and how that works in the brain how would you answer that in the past there's actually there's one speaking or alien hand syndrome when you

feel your hand or your part of your body is possessed by an eight and acts involuntarily somebody could just say well that's easy because the jinn is controlling it well but I mean see this is that your view fits all here's an interesting one this is known as the Capgras delusion right where you pee where people feel that a loved one somebody close to them is actually replaced by an impostor and you think this is and this happens to people often sometimes with paranoid schizophrenia or if they've had brain injury you actually feel that it's the

same like it looks just like the same person but you actually believe 100% that that is an impostor he knows the same things but it's an impostor and you can actually search the cases that have happened in real life the Capgras delusion now here and this is is another interesting one hemispatial neglect happens sometimes after a stroke or other kind of brain injuries or lesions hemispatial neglect is where half of the the world half of perception becomes blind - you can't you just can't

it just doesn't get processed so you don't see half like it's not that you don't see like you can see but you will not see what's on that half so you will just see this half so these people will sometimes only eat half a plate if you give him a plate they'll only eat from that half or if you showed him a clock and said can you copy the clock they will copy it from with the numbers twelve to six only and they don't see the others how would you explain that if you lived in the past and here's an interesting one as well ah Fantasia now

this was an interesting one that and it happened there was a famous case of a 65 year old man who went for he'd gone for some angioplasty surgery and after it this was a side effect that he lost the ability to visualize anything you just can't picture up anything in your mind anymore like right now if if I want to think of an elephant if I want to think of a phone or a car in your mind you can think of it he could no longer think of and you can't visualize any images now you can imagine how that so easily

people would just say well maybe somebody's done check on you well somebody's or a demon has possessed you I mean just think in the past trying to answer these difficulties things like there's actually one known as an exploding head syndrome which causes no harm no pain but you can just occasionally hear a really loud bang inside your head but it doesn't harm you it's no pain but you just hear like a bang you think and you can definitely heard it but it's not real and one that

you can actually this one you can actually see on YouTube you can go and search several cases an interesting one the foreign accent syndrome just really fascinating it's a speech disorder sometimes develop spontaneously or sometimes after an incident something's happened where they just wake up or they're regaining something it could be an accident or whatever and they develop a foreign accent so you've got the case on YouTube with the lady speaking in it Tiny's accident and somebody in a French accent they've never been to front somebody in a southern accent they're from northern England I mean the solar

son speaking the southern accent in explain x-plane even today neurologists don't know why it happens but it happens due to see not knowing something doesn't mean see this is what atheists use so often to attack people of religion or what they call the God of the gaps or the moment you don't know anything oh it must be good and and in this phenomenon this is like the Djinn of the gaps like the moment we don't know anything it's the Djinn oh we can't explain it must be the gym let the Djinn of the gaps so it's it's it's not just because we don't know the answer it doesn't mean we can't know the answer answer the hadith that you heard earlier

on that the Prophet said mantle allowed Minda in Allah Angela Lucia and in rewire the Prophet said I Lima home and Alamo jahiliya home and Jael those who know that she fire will know it and those who don't know it won't know it meaning go out find it like you can so it's interesting to see all of these kind of things put yourself in the past where you are faced with this like if you had a person just all of a sudden with multiple personality disorders or they call today dissociative identity disorder is right now how do you how do you explain that like people all of a sudden I'm somebody

else and the thing is that a lot of these cases happen usually more so than more often in our communities amongst women and they these people have a background of trauma abuse of of just like tragedies in many cases they've got so much going on so in our communities you'll have things like you know obviously segregation but not just segregation control excessive control so let's say a girl in a typical I know in the UK this it's a change it's slowly

changing but it's still there like girls are not allowed to do anything guys can do anything a guy can get away with guys can go out do everything girls can't so always restricted at home now on top of that always suspected like the suspicious oh are you chatting to anybody are you doing this are you doing a lot more control on ago then on top of that arranged marriages sometimes forced marriages or sometimes maybe not forced but emotionally you know like our Asian version of force like the black male kind of emotional blackmail that are never gonna speak to you and then on top of that they make them marry a lot of the time they're their own cousins now

think about if you grew up with somebody you're already that is yeah you're probably not attracted to the person sexually and then on top of that you gotta marry them you've been controlled all your life sometimes within our families hopefully now within the UK it's reduced or doesn't happen as much but they beat the hell out of you as kids so a lot more maybe when we were growing up but but so you've got all this kind of stuff going on you get like torture torment this or you gotta believe this you got to do this you got how does the psychic on cope one way is it breaks down into these

kind of disorders it starts reacting weirdly like think about if you physically do something to your body react why would the brain not react we think everybody so and we have such a stigma towards mental health Muslims get so offended if you say this could be a mental health issue so what do you mean like my mom my mom ain't mental haha not a betting man but if I was you know the thing is look what do you mean like what does this sound normal what you're saying that you know there's all this

going on in every fairy fairy tales and all this kind of stuff no but she's not no it's the jinn god damn it it's the genius the gene that makes sense or it's magic oh my relationship has broken down my relationship was broken up because because of the jinn somebody sent jinn to interfere with us now I've said hmm okay even if even if right we were to consider what the jinn are and this is what I was saying earlier on there would be a different domain so they speak about life breaking off into these domains you have archaea bacteria and Eukarya and from Eukarya comes all animal plants all this kind of

stuff yeah archaea actually is one of they probably feel the most ancient form of life on earth which is tiny microscopic single-cell doesn't have nuclei and nuclei to it and it is actually what they call an extremal file I'm just giving an example it survives in extreme like wait it could survive in up to 150 degrees in thrives like forget boiling water wouldn't kill it freezing temperatures generally wouldn't kill it it's survived in space it doesn't require oxygen it doesn't require photosynthesis the way other things do it doesn't

this is archaea it thrives in hot lava and stuff like somebody could say well Allah says all John Halak now main Cobb Luminara salmon you know we created them from fire and but if you were to draw parallels of life with any thing I'm not saying they are AK Archaea but you would draw them with things like this these time these things which are extremophiles completely different to you carry on where we get our life kind from plants and animals and humans and so on yet so would you say Oh a bacteria is jealous of my relationship oh that you know my relationship messed up

because this gene fell in love with me or fell in love with my wife or fell in love with and it just ruined everything that's like oh this this virus was just flying around and I fell in love with me ruin my whole love life that isn't making so white why do you think Djinn work like that like oh they work like humans they're not the same species or genus they're not even the same domain as us like so it's important to understand these things we can't just be little we have to take responsibility for relationship messes up it's because of your own doing because the relationship messed up human beings look

they mess up at times it's not I'm sorry I'd like to take that word back even messing up isn't the right word people at times fall in and out of relationships it's a human it's human behavior you know there's nothing you can't measure your success by your relationships as an example because we have a vision that relationship ought to be like this we feel people with we failed and we need somebody to blame it on sometimes there was a case study I don't want to go into and I've highlighted it before where there was a very religious person a rocky and Exorcist who many years back I had the opportunity to interview and and visit

and and whilst we were speaking his is his gene came came into character came into form and we had this whole dialogue and discussion and I spoke to the Djinn and it went on for over an hour and he you know he told me his name he told me he was from his name was I've highlighted the story in detail before his name was Hawkman he came up with the name my name is Hawkman and he's from India is from Kashmir and he's 500 years old all nice numbers in a scenario but the interesting thing was when I asked him oh well you know you're a long way from home soldiers what are you doing over here and and so well what it was it's that usual scenario well this guy The Exorcist you

know I love him and and then I realized oh oh he didn't mean I love him I said I'm sure you do love him he said no no I really love him like and he stuck his tongue out and like I was like oh okay I misread that one I thought you just loved him oh that love obviously at that point i extremely feared for my own safety thinking alright this i don't know how i'm gonna relate this story back to people right so I thought but so but what was interesting is he then goes on to explain that Oh actually he's homosexual the Djinn this is the gym

talking sorry the gym is speaking to me obviously the person is speaking but is and whilst he was speaking you do all this speak like that obviously once again very ominous very kind of trying to be scary and so and so I was like okay okay well so the thing is you see that look here is a person who is very religious he has very in fact that guy had an extraordinarily long beard very incredibly long he was abnormally long it was like this long world lie it was so long it was scary long at that point

now I don't know I haven't seen the person in years but anyway but that point had a very very long beard very scruffy looking person religious you know that kind of attire at the Thal band and has a name amongst people is an exorcist now you can imagine he must be thinking to himself look I'm having homosexual tendencies I'm a man of God for God's sake you know I'm one of the good guys how could I be having this how could I be thinking deviously about men so displacement of guilt it's easy look at

psychoanalysts explain it all the time you just project your demons onto something else and chastise them so it's not me it's a gene the gene has got the Jeannie's game this gene may Allah curse it has obsessed as possessed me and that's why I'm thinking like my own make sense obviously I could never think like this it's the Djinn that's thinking like this so it's okay when I think like this because really that's just the Djinn in me doing that and you know when I'm in control then it's me you see this is how

this person made sense of his world I'm not saying the person is lying I'm not saying he's trying to lie to me it's not like saying hey listen this person's coming I'm gonna trick him now maybe he genuinely believes what the stories come up with but that doesn't make it true like if you genuinely believe there's a sketti monster out there it doesn't make it true so so these are the things that I wanted to highlight that look in the past there were many things that people could not explain we could not sum up but to say it's the Djinn of the gaps is is nonsensical it's absurd and it makes religion into a joke

and beyond that it doesn't tackle the greater issues of abuse so this isn't sometimes people say but why can't we just sit on the fence you know okay this is a view you know you're saying because there were many orlimar you heard from chef's occur many Olimar being quoted there was for Athena Razi Audioboo yeah Allah from the humble ease there was people there were other ala ma from the martyrs Allah but even within Allison man you'd heard up into recent times sheltered most of all Marathi great the great Michelle as her if not assured famous Mufasa even show canny in stuff see these kind of things they they they don't accept this kind of stuff jinn

possession but people say okay this is an opinion but it wouldn't a Mia said this and you know so-and-so said this but so why don't we just have it as two opinions no because it's not just this isn't like should I do roughly Dana should not do roughly thing because look roughly a Dane or not roughly then isn't it's no big deal if you decide to do roughly then you know I decide to do it and you decide not to do it it's a four dealer within salade is two opinions this opinion results in mass exploitations in incredible the tyranny

of abuse is unleashed by this huge a whole multi-million dollar industry is on the back of this this this belief religion is ridiculed on the back of that you believe in demons possessing you I mean in the 21st century what you know let's like people who go to a doctor it's okay is this got a gene this is an in Islam the Prophet Muhammad SAW Allah Allah salam is ridiculed as a consequence and all of these things make this unacceptable to just say well look oh you know it's just two opinions let's just be diplomatic towards it so this is why i refuse to have a

diplomatic stance on this that this abuse is unacceptable it needs to be brought to an end and we need to popularize this understanding in saying and this is why you know hopefully people obviously yourselves here but people who watch this later on can learn from this in child loss so hiya Kamala so I hope that's off somehow