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Does the verse of light describe an expanded state of consciousness?

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Objections, the verse of light, and a tradition that had no name

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The verse of light, 24:35, is an approximation that resonates with those whose consciousness has expanded, and entheogenic experience was part and parcel of the tradition without having a name.

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Mufti Abu Layth anticipates the objection that Ibn Mas'ud was simply communicating with the jinn and asks why such experiences never happened on other occasions if he drank nabidh regularly; he answers that, as with ergotised grain, such effects happened unplanned when grain became afflicted with a fungus, and that this was within the tradition but went unnoticed, so people assumed it was normal. He then suggests that a verse of the Quran, 24:35, approximates an experience for people whose consciousness has expanded: reading Abdullah Yusuf Ali's translation, Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth, the parable of his light a niche with a lamp in a glass like a star lit from a blessed olive tree whose oil would shine though fire scarcely touched it, light upon light. He argues that this understanding is an approximation that would resonate with people who have had certain experiences. Summing up, he says that whether one reads the verse that way, or Ibn Mas'ud's visions with the drink the Prophet called pure, or the harmala report, or Ibn al-Awwam's note that harmala was used in bread, or Rumi's poetry and his flute, he is trying to show that this has been part and parcel of the tradition but had no name, so that people today who delineate it by name reject what the past induced without realising it.

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Mufti Abu Layth says the parable of light in 24:35 is an approximation that resonates with people whose consciousness has expanded, and that entheogenic experience was part and parcel of the Islamic tradition without having a name.

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“What I'm trying to show is that I feel that this has been part and parcel of the tradition but it's just it didn't have a name.”

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This if anything would have been a kind of most likely would have been a psychoactive experience uh that would have had and he explains that I had with me this particular drink. Now you see this is where I people would say no that would just be him communicating with the gin.

29:56

Now, okay, I mean that's, you know, one way, but does he ever have these experiences? Does does this ever happen to him on a normal occasion? Does this ever Now, people could say, well, what okay, but if he drinks these drinks regularly, why why doesn't he have these experiences on other times? You see it's interesting like I mentioned with this erotized kind of thing that there were certain at times there was certain um let's say grain that would become whether it was erotized or obtain a uh it become a afflicted with a particular fungi unplanned unscheduled it would just

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happen. It's not like something that people would generally seek out, but it was widespread. Uh my point of saying this is that I do feel that this is within our tradition, but it's just because it was unnoticed. Um you know, people they wouldn't know it. So they would just assume that it's it's just normal stuff.

31:02

I wanted to actually share here as well. Uh if I can let me just let me see if I can bring this up. Yeah, I actually feel that a verse of the Quran if anything uh explains an experience that is an approximation to to be understood by people if their consciousness has expanded in in such a way.

31:33

And that is inah like let me bring this verse up for you. Now people will say that okay no this verse is just speaking about Allah but nobody really understands the this verse in its true imagery that Allah that uh that you see Allah is the light of the heavens. Now that much you can understand but look the example the similitude of his light.

32:02

Now, if I'll just read it. Now, this verse 35, you can take a look at the translation.

32:29

Now, just have a read of that. This is the Abdullah Yusf Ali that Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth. That part you can understand the parable of his light. It's as if there was a were a niche. is kind of like a like a cutout in a wall and within it a lamp and the lamp in a glass and the glass as though it was a star lit from a blessed tree, an olive tree, neither from the east nor of the west whose oil is a flamed without being put on fire without you know it's yet luminous um though fire scarcely touched it light upon light.

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Now I would definitely argue that this understanding is an approximation. It is uh for people who have had certain experiences in this world and that these verses would would resonate with people like that. So I've tried to show that look there are certain um there are certain whether a person wants to read this verse of the Quran in that way or whether a person wants to look at the hadith of Abdulbah in that way that you know where he's

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describing all these visions and having this particular drink with him this uh drink which the prophet said oh that's a good drink it is indeed purifying Whether it's this other narration which was by I mentioned that look this particular the paganum seed it is blessed angel and it reaches where the angel reaches and it cures everything and it expands and and you know what and I'm not saying whether that hadith has to be sah but the narrative had to have existed to the extent that awam is highlighting and other people that this paganum seed

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is something widespread and people use it in things like bread to the fact that Roomie often speaks of it in his poetry, the paganum seed and why his drink is made out of this harla and so on and and yet he often addresses his nay the flute and the flute is made from uh a particular read that contains often and I I showed that it is often used historically for making flutes and that is known to have contained things like DMT.

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What I'm trying to show is that I feel that this has been part and parcel of the tradition but it's just it didn't have a name. So people didn't understand that they were you see today it has a name. So because of that people they you know they delineate and they say no no no you know we we're not going to you know this is wrong or this is um it seems to be a a kind of a triggered event induced event but in the past they would have been inducing it just not realizing that they're inducing it because it would

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have been maybe part of the grain maybe it was urgatized grain maybe they were consuming these these things which were natural. They didn't understand that these things would and when it's consumed with a particular grain, it would have a certain um you know it would have a certain eruption of consciousness. So yeah these are and when you look at the Quran was sunnah there is nothing I would argue that these verses of the Quran resonate with that but there is nothing to say this is not okay this is not of the Quran did exist these things existed by the way if Allah wanted to

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Mufti Abu Layth. (2020, October 17). Does the verse of light describe an expanded state of consciousness? [Video, segment 2020-10-17-S07, auto-transcribed, may contain errors]. Mufti Abu Layth Archive. Retrieved November 1, 2026, from https://muftiabulayth.org/r/7skyphqzdy8/s/7/
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