Who were the riders seen at Badr?

It's that the Quran is using a description like this to describe God sending down resolve in the heart believers. [clears throat] Therefore, this is ex we can apply this same this understanding to the stories of past prophets. Just a little footnote there that uh I do have a clip. It's quite a very um it's not your average kind of response on this thing about the angels at the battlefield of Badrar which is mentioned in the Quran.

Now I do explain that yes I go in line with what you're saying when Allah says we sent angels to reinforce uh this is more it's not something which is a physical you know it's something which is more about meaningful and this kind of strength and the that kind of vigor and the whole thing but when people said that they saw these these you know they said we saw for example these people with this particular green cladding they were on these horses and that, you know, they would they were just just chopping through the enemies and doing all of this.

I have this uh I've gone I found interesting this theory [snorts] that they were uh that it's likely that this was a particular that they were particular knights that had been brought it through via Salman Al Farci, the knights of the house of of Karan and that they were people who were often described with these same descriptions and they had appeared through other historians you see at other battles especially around the the where the uh the Sassinids were fighting off certain people and they had come they were not

part of the Sassinids per se but they um and I've been quite intrigued by that perspective yeah that 30% where we disagree I I think that's where I would go back to Iben Rush and I would say no no let's take a literal understanding of the story, but understand it in a that it's a literary uh language that's being used. And let's not mess that up because what you're doing is you're actually taking something that's sacred and making it profane.

So, you're actually belittling the language of the Quran by saying that it this is my view and you can No, no, sure. Sure, sure. Say the same. I'm saying that and then it's also ad hoc and you're constantly having to reinterpret every single and and it I prefer that biting the bullet and it's more systematic and it's saying that this is just a literary description that's talking about strengthening the hearts of the believers and if God had actually sent angels down and I know you're not saying that but if they had sent literal angels down then what is the what is the great thing that the believers did they the whole purpose is that they risked their lives lives in

battle uh to defend their freedom of belief. That is what the story is about. That is what the historical event is about. So you actually deny them that when you take a literal understanding of scripture. So now finally now I [laughter] hope I'm getting it. Somebody said the the Karens are unstoppable. [laughter] What does that mean? What are the No, because I had said I know what Karens are. No, but cuz I had said from the the house of although it's spelled like that Karen, it's not a fe a feminine name in Persian where it was it was just the name of the the household.

So the same about the angel story that I said the knights from the house of uh Karin. So how how am I doing as far as audience? Are they are they uh hating it or are they they it's all good. I mean people are finding it uh intriguing and some people finding it interesting and some people finding it as you'll get the normal questions. [laughter] Okay. So, so now to come to the meat of the issue.