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What was the purpose of God sending Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet?
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This segment9:16 to 15:54 · 6 min 38 sGeneral teaching
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machinesummary, machine-writtenA prophet is sent with a purpose, as with Jesus, Moses, David and Muhammad, but Mufti Abu Layth sees none in Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who lived and died under British rule without liberating even Qadian. The caller could not name a message and asked to call a friend.
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Mufti Abu Layth says he asked the caller whether he really believed in Mirza as the prophet of God, and the caller said 150 percent. He asked whether he had studied Islam, the Quran or the sunnah, or Arabic; the caller said he had studied and researched independently but had not studied Arabic. Mufti shows another picture and jokes about it, then puts his question: if God sent another prophet there must have been a reason, so what was it? He reports the caller's answer, that God wanted to make a team, pointing to how many Ahmadis there are today, and replies that God could have sent a football team if he only wanted fans, and asks whether there was a message. He says Mirza was born and died under British colonial rule, one of the darkest eras for Muslim civilisation, and did not bring it to an end or liberate even Qadian, so what did God achieve by sending him. He contrasts this with the objectives Christians give for Jesus, Jews for Moses and David, and Muslims for the Prophet Muhammad, who was sent to rid mankind of superstition and shirk and bridge the personal and impersonal encounter with God. The caller asked whether he could call a friend, which Mufti mocks as a chat show; he says he offered to have one of them as a guest on his show Mind Trap in a few weeks. He adds that another person then came on WhatsApp saying he could not insult their prophet and get away with it.
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God sends a prophet with a purpose, as with Jesus, Moses, David and Muhammad, and no such purpose or achievement can be shown for Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who lived and died under British colonial rule without liberating even Qadian.
“he never brought that to an end and you can't say he liberated the world you can't even say he liberated a part of kadian”
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you guys are you know you're you're picking on me yeah so I'm I'm telling you look okay let me ask you some questions then do you really believe in uh being the the prophet of God so this guy said 150 percent I said Java
who wouldn't have that level of yakin after they've seen such a beautiful face so I said no I never said that to him I said okay I said I want to ask you that I said seriously have you studied Islam as well have you studied a bit of this as well Islam and stuff or you know have you not studied or he said no I've studied I said okay that's interesting it's getting more and more interesting here I said uh I said is have you studied Quran or
sunnahu have you studied you know um just researched independently he said no I said I haven't I said have you studied Arabic he said look I haven't studied Arabic but I've done research and I'm you know you know I'm not like a jail person you know hmm right those of you that don't know the the the saviors
all right I've got a he had this uh oh here he is there's another oh [Laughter] I honestly thought that was a ruler the first time I saw it well I thought your contact intelligence what kind of intelligence is he measuring from [Laughter] so I said look I said look let me be real yeah I just wanna I'm trying to be real here that if you've studied which you're saying you have studied you've
researched can you tell me can you tell me what is the reason that God sent that there must have been a reason that God sent another Prophet would you not agree and I was using the word Prophet like you believe this is your Prophet yeah God sent a prophet there must be a reason yeah so he said uh he said yeah of course there's a reason I said okay I said what's the reason I'm interested he said well look how many ahmadis there are in the world today
you know God's reason was I want to make a team I said then he could have sent a football team or he could have sent anybody you know if he just wanted fans was there no message was there a message as well or was there any I just wanted a gang God was like yeah yeah gangs message you know it's like so so I was like you know there must have been a a reason so he goes yeah yeah there is I said well please do tell so he said well um I said well because
am I wrong that middle born and died during the British colonial rule one of the darkest eras for General and especially Muslim civilizations he goes here I go well he never brought that to an end and you can't say he liberated the world you can't even say he liberated a part of kadian did khadian become a liberated Nation we know that it didn't I mean until decades after his death so well so what is the purpose of God sending him like what what did God achieve I mean come on this is the last shot god is sending the final
I said look if you're gonna say that look God sent Jesus to redeem mankind sins die on the cross and redeem their sins shallow take care whether we accept it or not but TKA you're saying God had an objective in your beliefs as a Christian people say God sent Moses with this that he wanted to save the Israelites from the pharaonic kingdom and take them back to the promised land TK that's an objective God sent David to rule and establish the kingdom of God God sent the prophet Muhammad sallallahu
alaihi sallam to kind of rid mankind of superstition to teach them to bridge between the personal and impersonal God encounter and the The Narrative of shirk okay why did God send in Punjab okay so and you know so he said um can I call a friend on my I said yeah I was like call a friend call a friend are you having a laugh I think this is some kind of a chat show
call a friend I'm asking you a simple question is there a message to this you know you guys are trolling me trolling me calling me now and I'm asking a simple baby question what's the message can I call a friend can I call a friend you know it's like are you lucky in front of me you know trolling me like this do you guys have any idea how much out of your depth you are
you know I'm like I and and then I even offered I said look I'm offering to let your you can call whoever this person is not now but I've got a show Mind Trap at some point right now I've got a few people lined up but for a few weeks but after that I'll have one of them as a as a as a guest he goes okay we'll set that up now they go on to WhatsApp and this other person comes on it's like I think it's that um so and this guy starts you think you can
insult our profit and get away with it I was like [Laughter] look I said I'm asking you nicely tell your little minions to stop flooding my inbox with this video take it right leave it at that I'm asking you nicely I said this guy goes you think you can you think you can cuss insult our profit and get away with it I was like putter
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