A Reply to Sheikh Yasir Qadhi - Mufti Abu Layth

let's show we move on to chef yes sir Adi right so chef Yasir Qadhi Sahib dammit barakatuhu model alia watch out so shaky I said party has done a khutba recent football I don't know maybe it's been about two three weeks or something but he did a hot bath which I did share a link to that it is it's about half an hour long and he addresses three key points his and I'll go through them and I'm gonna go through some of the details

and I think a lot of this hot bar was aimed at me or and people like me several people sent it to me and I I did watch it that the hood about the talk is titled the importance of orthodoxy in Islam and I did share the link to in on my page as well so people can watch it now right so let's address this and I mentioned today I said I'm going to be addressing chef yes sir are these his

objections and his video on orthodoxy somebody had mentioned you know Oh somebody had messaged don't you you know what about all this might create consequences or or things like was it repercussions in the in the words of the support his name's Abdul Hameed Adam author poet he says hum NATO's

zindagi coachella here Adam dumb as a bogey vodka still he says that we've tolerated we've tolerated life itself Adam and you're talking to me about punishments what is that is that even a thing so or repercussions so this is and I accept look I accept by going through some of these points and by some

of what I'm about to say it may people may think you know why are you you know it may it may make shitty ass have hardly upset but look such is life man what now what to do so the thing is he's he's kind of made his point so I've got to respond to them and if it if it upsets people it upsets them I do respect shell here psychology and I'll

say this time and time again Chevy a safari if you are listening to this I do have much respect for you and I will comment on on that as well in a moment but in the words of the legend Jonah Ilya that bus a key fun hum Nessie car hey this same Ilya who say hockey [Laughter] that I've just learned one skill in life

and that is whoever you meet leave them heartbroken kiss say is harem with jockey cheer up Milton in a khaki G what you know what can we do you don't that's the words of Joe Neely aside right so share here sir Adi in this video he highlights the importance of our orthodoxy and it brings up three key issues three key points the first one and I will go through these in some detail is that it is

unacceptable he feels to resort to reason or is condemning those people who wish to reconcile or reinterpret I'm going to try to strong man and steel man these arguments really so and then dismantle them so so I can be fair and objective okay so he says it's on it's unacceptable for those people who wish to reconcile the modern world with the Quran by reinterpreting some of these

verses and resorting to reason or to science in order to do so so he highlights this and he gives examples by the way and I'll go through these like he says for example the miracles in the Quran and this is why I think it was definitely alluding to me about some of the discussions I'd had about the birds he mentions the birds and ibrahim alaih-is-salaam he mentions I think Ibrahim Ali Solomon the fire he mentions the birth of Jesus and evolution and these things and he says you can't reconcile using reason and he refers to this as scientism

almost a belief in the supremacy of science and he says and that is unorthodox it is heretical it is deviant it is it's it's it's basically utterly unacceptable and it is misguidance okay his second point is hadith rejection he said and these people who reject hadith this point he addresses the Quran you know so I think that wasn't aimed at me but he does he then

brings in a sub factor he says those people who reject hadith all together a completely misguided and so on and he he quotes a hadith which are surprised actually because the hadith he quoted was weak it's in Abu Dawood airBaltic necesarias hadith and it's a known weak hadith so I was quite surprised he resorted to that hadith but nevertheless but I agree with him on this point of saying rejecting hadith the irony goddess I concur how are you trying to prove her these by using wicked Eve you're kind of kind of

doing the team over here I'm with you yeah on this point so and he and then he says but there's a stronger element and that is creating doubt in the sources like doubting Buhari and doubting these things and I think this once again was referring to my recent mihari gate issue and he says well you know oh I think you know this is he says he's an expert on

this and he specialized his expertise is in hadith and anybody who studied hadith knows they can be no doubt in hadith I don't I just don't know how those two followed but allegedly they must be teaching something else in Medina University because anybody who studies hadith the first thing you realize is it's actually huh bro I had that's the first thing they teach you which means it's not actually certain knowledge it's just good enough so I don't know how

that part works out but anyway he share here so godly was definitely certain that this is anybody who studied hadith knows that it is certain and he is an expert on this matter that said I've invited him for a dialogue on Hari Gate to which he doesn't hasn't accepted right so right his third point is any new radical uses the term radical repeatedly any new radical interpretations are definitely heresies and deviations and he then goes on to

some that to say anybody coming up with radical reinterpretations is in essence or albeit you know not verbally but you know even if it's not through vocal expression but the person is ultimately claiming to be a new prophet of God so he says that those stand hand in hand so if a person is radically reinterpreting things he whether he expresses this openly or not he claims to be a new prophet of God once again I don't know

what they were teaching in Medina University because that is quite a leap [Laughter] the otic inch deity we gave you an enchilada torta yeah what have you what spine have you shoved in here I can't seem to figure out man this is this one not nicely so enjoy yourself so but anyway these are the three key points that shared

yourself I love called the has stated now there are countless contradictions in what he said as well and I'll go through some of these by the way those of you just tuning in I can see a few people are tuning in if you if you do like and share this so we can get I'd like as many people as possible this message to reach them about this video of Chef Yasir Qadhi and the response and the response to his objections and criticisms so chef yes sir does go on to say in in the same

talk that by the way I do accept the Quran will always continue to unlock and unravel new meanings for people throughout time which I didn't get by the way because that kind of contradicted his first point because if the Quran unravels a new meaning for you then surely it's not going to come up with a new word or something because enough you know the Quran is words already expressed so that means it's gonna be if anything in interpretation so if your interpretation is is new and

unprecedented as he says that it will continue to unravel and unlock new meanings for people throughout time then that means you've come up with something radically different which means you are a new prophet according to Sharia socata himself in the same video so I don't know how he reconciled those two points together right so I'm I'm thinking so these are some some issues right now also one could sum up before getting and

this is the kind of intro to his before getting into his actual points you can sum up what right throughout his 30-minute hotma he is arguing very much for the the literal reading of the Quran and arguing against a non literal reading of the Quran so he highlights time and time again that anybody who says that the metaphor in the Quran that the symbolism in the Quran the stories can represent metaphors or symbols is is a deviant is a heretic these are radical

new interpretations if Allah wanted to mention a story could mention a story he goes on to say that Quran Islam is not about stories he repeats that message on a few occasion and he condemns this thing of metaphor I mean the whole hook bar is pretty much sums up the fact that is very strongly arguing for a literal reading of the Quran and arguing against in fact condemning a non literal reading of the Quran right ironically by the way

he himself at one point when he's arguing his third point about why you need to stick with what is the orthodoxy he goes on to say that yet allahi wa l-jamaa add that the hand of God is with and he translates this as by the way this means the mercy of God which is a non literal reading which kind of contradicts his earlier point about you can't have non-literal readings of the Quranic must be literal readings and then especially he stresses the point about beliefs he says that regarding

beliefs we must be very literal and we can't have new radical new interpretations they must be the old interpretations of the people before ok so right so this is important so that's what I would like to take a look at in order to take a look at that I want to say a few words in a few minutes about share yourself Adi now I think it's important to highlight these now share here sort of Adi we've got to understand these arguments are stemming from some way ok now in order to understand the argument you have to

understand or at least get a glimpse into the person that is making the arguments ok now I have respect for Shari Arsenal kabhi I used to my respect well a few years ago was definitely on the rise massively for chef Yasir Qadhi because he was really evolving and developing into some into somebody quite enlightened quite critical and he was becoming a beacon of hope and reason for people but then in the last these are my thought

on Cheryl called the in the last maybe two years or so he seems to have for some reason I don't know why I don't know what's going on I don't know whether it's personal I don't know whether it's he's just been advised to do so but he seems to have done a kind of u-turn and really gone because you see share sort of godly just a bit about him he rose as a as a hard-line Salafi a hardcore Wahhabi I mean that's his background I know I'll mention a bit about that this is just so we understand the person and I'm not saying this as a

diss but he is Sheikh assir God it still is a Wahhabi of the Salafi background that is somebody who he is that's unquestionable I mean that's not I'm not saying this as a dis to him he is of the Wahhabi kind of denomination and well hobbies are not all equal there's different types it's like a spectrum you have so for example you're gonna have some nutcase kind of wahhabis extreme like I suppose Isis and all of them were also wahhabis and part of the Hobby kind of thing but they that doesn't mean were hobbies are like that so you get different ends of

them and you get some at the very kind of you get some very inclined towards reason but they are an absolute minority like people like you will get some of the indian sub-continent all kind of raha BL the Sela fear of the past like Maulana Abdul Karim Allah 30 was a selfie and yet he's an amazing beacon of reason in his tough seer orbital with God but Cheryl kadhi he kind of I think in his early days was more entrenched so he has he has a his book he has in share here so Hadees book one of his books is

on the four principles of shirk of Muhammad ibn Abdul wahap and he relies on the that he works by the Salafi you know the salafiyyah the wahhabis of the age like chef Jeanine Ignat you bring in chefs Allah and all of these people and and the reason I'm giving this backdrop is to have an understanding into this in order to understand why share here suck are these saying these things we need to understand the person the person is okay our hobby and the reason I'm saying that and I'm not saying this to offend people I'm just just calling a spade a spade

now why why is that important is to understand that well were happy ISM is generally in essence based on literalism it is a doctrine of literal thought of dogmatism it is something that really the whole belief rose on the back from muhammad abdul wahhab hated reason he was somebody against reason altogether and his whole movement rose to kind of to regain territory what is today modern-day Saudi Arabia to regain

control of that from the Ottomans and in doing so he was a humbly from a very kind of a literal reading of the humbly school and he I'm not saying he was dumb he wasn't dumb he was learning to some extent he was definitely a scholar it's not that he wasn't a scholar but he he wasn't like an exceptional genius scholar by any standard and he was definitely I mean I would categorically say he was a deviant you need to and the reason because he knows somebody who believed it was permissible to shed blood in the name of God he killed many Muslims who he thought because he deemed

them to be non-muslims he said it was permissible to kill them he said it was permissible to enslave and rape their wives he said it was permissible to rob their wealth and including many of those who are coming on Hajj so he attacked the Hajis he said that they weren't true Muslims they were go far pretending to be Muslims because they've lost because they do and therefore you can rake their wives I mean take their wives as slaves and you can kill the men and you can rob their walls and these were people coming on Hajj and other Arabs that lived in Arabia at the time he did the same to them as well so he was a deviant there's no understanding no misunderstanding about

that and it is no joke that his true truly his works have been an inspiration for people like modern-day Isis they so for example Isis one of the key mandatory books that they give out to teach is kata Bhutto he'd of Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab that's one of the books that they give to everybody to learn because it's very hardcore in how what declares Muslims as non-muslims so when they do this which Shelke their kafir they do this they're a cafe and it's all about dehumanizing the other so chef Yasir Qadhi is a huge fan of people like

muhammad abdul wahhab although i don't know to what extent if his views have changed from but he has a book which is still in print about praising mohammed IBN abdul wahab and glorifying him and his works he's is very inspired by a lot of the Salafis of today the Wahabis like chef Jeanine and what they mean and bimba's and all of these people who I'm not saying are evil people they're not evil people but it's important to know that they where he's coming from because these are people who are really in all essence just Bedouin scholars these are scholars who really have just

lived their lives in deserts and because Saudi Arabia has become rich in the last few decades they've kind of been given a certain amount of prestige not to forget the fact that many of these selfies these wahhabis in the early 70s were part of a new can google these were part of the Jamaat and salafiyyah to Mata Seba the movement that began in the early 70s began with figures like bin baz alberni bakr abu zaid all of these people were part of that movement chef bill all these people that later gave that they were doing they were the

prototype version of the Taliban they would go around trying to beat people if they weren't going to the mosque and doing stuff like these and then they got cracked down on after being investigated by the Saudi authorities for a few years and then they were shut down now they claimed to have disappeared from the movement and the lower ranks that were they wanted a worthy like obeyed what's his name sorry and but there were a few of them that were from the lower ranks these were the leaders the pioneers of that movement Jamar Tomatis about to salafiyyah or the JMS now the lower ranks they

claimed took over as they left the lower ranks produced the likes of Joe Hammond and the other people who then took over the siege of Mecca in 1979 and claimed to be the Mahdi and they smuggled weapons into the Kaaba and they killed people and they you know declared to have taken over and they declared he was the Mahdi and you can see that on on YouTube now Joe Haman was part of the movement this is why Albanian dog chef MOC bill and all these people were exported from Saudi Arabia they and they were never allowed to be in Saudi Arabia that but they claimed and maybe rightfully so I accept they claim that

they claim that they left that movement when the police crack down on it and this group took it underground and a few years later emerged as the MIDI and but they in essence laid the seeds to that movement they were that movement in its early days they founded it they were the pioneers of it they were the ones going around beating people up if they weren't praying and doing things now they disciples so to speak did go on to become major extremists and do stuff now these people distance themselves from that I accept that but this is to give you the backdrop into these people because this is the history now I know

today the Salafi acclaim that we are the least violent and we are the least to do this but you know lest we forget that only a few decades ago all of these same salafiyyah were the people that founded that movement Jamaat on matters about the salafiyyah and it's only because the Saudi government bashed and beat the hell out of some of them in the last few decades that they became so terrified that now they speak about glorifying the king of Saudi Arabia but prior to only in this seventies they founded these movements so it's not even that long ago and it is

on YouTube and it's on you can buy the book a siege of Makkah so any so this is the backdrop to these figure heads or or an inspiration to share yourself adi share here sort of gauzy studied in medina university and drew great inspiration from these kind of people in his early days he my understanding is he was a hard cool Salafi and this is why the salafiyyah loved him back then that's where he grew his his kind of his claim to fame on the back of that movement later on he departed from that movement to be fair to him he started to kind of discover his own path and go about

things and he does criticize the Salafi a I think he refuses to call himself the Salafi and so things like this and I and I commend that and I you know applaud him for these things and most of the salafiyyah today consider him a deviant so that is that gives a huge that gives a huge kind of backdrop to Y would share here cell godly be saying these things because ultimately he's coming from that background and although a few years ago

Shari yes it'll kadhi was trying to shed some of this so I'd like to actually share with us now it's interesting that a few years ago they would say a kind of scandal now I say scandal I'm using that term lightly but there was a a kind of there was an issue with between Dawa man and he a self cardi I don't know if you guys remember it was a few years back and I was very supportive of Yasir Qadhi during that thing and and I commended his his approach like Dawa man had

released certain emails of Sharia cell called the expressing certain things to people trying to teach them and and in the he was saying things about doubting about radical new thought and that was my point that he you see like these were the words of chef yasser love cardi and this is only a few years ago he says that conclusion the preservation of the quran cannot then be a letter for letter tequila tequila narrative the latest call is verbalized and the muslim ummah is taught not just as the sunday school

level mind you rather the preservation must therefore be interpreted in another manner and then he has a lot of details on that he he then ends up by saying look this is what one person said the quran is the kalaam of allah so does it mean this does it mean this does it mean this he says here we are faced with quite a few paths to solve our problems I'll only mention the two main ones one we adopt one of the above standard theological schools and somehow force it to take our second theory this will require some imagination hermeneutics especially for the etheric read for the

humble ease he's a humble he's a Salafi in a PITA Oh - this is his suggestion chef's yourself Adi we discard all of these theological schools that is the Salafi they are three - Adi the Matuidi and understand that none of them are in fact divine and hence we cannot assume that they will all answer each and every problem hence we start from scratch and rethink through the entire notion of Kalam to facilitate this we might imagine ourselves in the Iria era of the turban oon so he's saying we put ourselves back in the picture of the self and we reinvent the wheel radically

reinterpret so that we are not impeded by fully fleshed-out theological boxes and allow our for press processes to think outside of the box we are no longer concerned with be with people labeling us a shoddy or Matta silly because we have now jettisoned these man-made structures okay this these are the words of shares of Adi himself I mean now he speaks about his crisis of faith and he begins this whole thing by saying at this stage I'm hesitant to fully

verbalize my beliefs not only because I'm not quite prepared to defend them now but also because they will be developing and I have been developing them this is beliefs for the last six to seven years these are the words of Shelia's Arkady himself speaking of himself in only the last few years and that was the time I was highly praising him now I for some reason he seems to have done a u-turn and become very dogmatic in the last few years 1 or 2 years definitely now right ok so let's take a look at this first point people

right now he said about reason he's saying that people today are reinterpreting the verses of the Quran so they make sense to them that they they feel that this sense is above everything right and you can't do this especially for beliefs although just a moment ago we read the words of share he has a father himself saying that his beliefs are still continuously developing over several years and that when it came to the schools of belief which was also doxy orthodoxy means the general prevalent belief of a people of

a society of Muslim society which is really a Shari's have been the main orthodoxy of this Ummah right so firstly he's chef has a car D is not a shoddy which in itself is a contradiction because the seller fees themselves are unorthodox by going against the orthodoxy of this Ummah the seller fees reject methods they do not follow any of the four traditional schools of thought if you are sure here so called the do you follow method he will say no we don't need to follow method which I'm not saying it has to be wrong but it's unorthodox it's against

the orthodoxy of Islam on that point he will say oh let's refer to the Quran and Sunnah and you will say to him you wish what about the Jamaa of the Muslim and then the Salafis they quote the Hadees that oh one man can be a Jemma as long as he's upon the truth so you think well that's interesting so when it comes to understanding certain verses you're saying oh no youyou can't go against the general what majority of the people have said now but but you yourself go against it on that but so this that's something for you

guys to think about now he mentioned certain verses of the Quran he gives that right now he gives the first verse he he mentions is the one to do with the birds in Surat al-baqarah verse 260 what if Ali Ibrahim that Ravi araignee a kafir to heal motor show me how you bring the lot at the dead to life I wouldn't talk mean Allah said do you not believe it Raheem ELISA Lam said I do it so I may have tranquility in my heart so Allah say is called Allah for who's our bottom in a fiery force or on

a lake some magically javelin men who images and the Madonna yeah Tina kesariya no I'm sorry Anwar lumen Allah as even Hakeem now Allah says why didn't you take for birds first sort of annihilate now I've got a detailed video on YouTube explaining this but still now this is how it's read for Sorna now in one of the recitations of Hamza it is read for Sarah him nightly now he said that this means to cut now I'm not saying most people haven't taken that to mean cut most people haven't taken that but linguistically for sort of a night lake

does not mean to cut them it means a mill whole night lake make them being climbed towards you and why would you use the word a lake why would Allah have a lake in this was towards you all take cut towards you it doesn't make any sense so the literal reading of this is incline them towards you and that is what abu muslim had translate ad in had translated this versus ages or centuries and centuries ago so that's in most of the toughest yearbook so when he said that nobody interpreted that in that way I don't know once again was

this his understanding or or he's not come across these are the interpretations or so for sort of night in lake bring them make them be inclined towards you and then go place one bird on each mountaintop and i've explained that before he somehow feels to say that is a deviation why that's the actual word of the quran the actual reading i'm going with the actual reading you're going with an interpretation the actual reading of sovereignity lake is to kind of a mill Hoonah a lake make them be inclined towards you now people say

inclined them towards you then kill them but that then killed them is not in the quran so that's an interpretation I'm going with the actual reading why is that a deviation now he said oh they used the verse of the quran about ibraheem alehissalaam being thrown into the fire right now the question right so okay so we have this verse of the quran now in this verse in surah al-anbiya verse 68 and

and then going moving forward as well a lhasa quotes the non-muslims of ibrahim ali slums time saying carlo harbor a fool who once Oralia to come in kuntum for i mean that they said why don't you burn him and aid or give victory to you to your many gods if you are to do anything and then allah says culinarian are okuni burden was salam and other ibrahim and they tried to plot against him for allahumma la colline but we made them lose

they were the losers one @j now who and we saved him walton ll ordinality Barack Navi huddle Alamein and loot we saved him and loot to the land which we had blessed for people and then Allah goes on to say but then Allah follows this verse a few verses speaking about prophets and then one no hand is Naadam in Kabul and nor Noah who had called his people before and we responded to him first a novel Fernet Jana who and we saved him Allah goes on to say as well

and then mentioned one asana who and we get made him victorious now no way in the Quran is there a single verse is there a single verse that says ibraheem alehissalaam was thrown in the fire there is no verse that says ibraheem alehissalaam was thrown in the fire now you could say well hmm there's no verb but there is no verse Allah says we saved him but does that mean he was thrown in the fire oh Allah saved him some other by using some of the means that he managed to escape now you could say well Allah doesn't say but he doesn't he definitely

does not say he was thrown into the fire now there is the verse yeah now do Kuni burden what's 11 Allah Ibrahim that verse does exist that a last then says and I just read that that Oh fire be that all fire be be cool and peaceful towards Ibrahim now the question was that yep so is this not a miracle and why would the fire be so cool towards Ibrahim if he wasn't thrown into it well

to start off with most of them are sitting all right that Ibrahim Ali sallam was caught by these people they built a big fire and they tied him up whilst they were making this big fire now the heat of this allah has mentioned Kuni burden wa sallam on be peaceful and be cool too Ibrahim now were any mediums adopted in how this wind sorry in how this fire had a cool effect are in terms of its heat upon Ibrahim Ali Salam was it through a wind was it through a cool breeze was it

through some Allah doesn't say but Allah doesn't say that in many things like let me give you an example another verse where Allah says about Noah Noah who Allah uses the same in the same way he says we saved him from the flood he wasn't thrown into the flood we saved him from the flood we saved Ibrahim from the fire Allah says and then we said to the sky yes summer this is in surah hood verse 44 yes am i ugly ie o sky hold back your water now everybody knows the sky doesn't rain water

it's the clouds and there's a process everybody knows that but Allah saying the sky yeah but that's how general usage is in the Quran not on all occasions but on many occasions Allah will refer to the sky you refer to oh and we made fruit come forth from the earth but we know there's a process there were seeds there were things we know this a lot doesn't mention that every time you say something so is that going against any verse of the Quran how is that going so on a lot of these occasions people that are saying we are reinterpreting verses were actually just

reading the verses as they are the problem is many of these people have forced their interpretations onto the verses so Allah never said in any verse of the Quran that Abraham was thrown into the fire one of the questions if Abraham was thrown into the fire and he didn't burn why didn't the people become why didn't the people embrace the message that would have been an incredible miracle yet Abraham leaves his is town and migrates everybody knows this so

whereas think about it all the people would have accepted orders of what the hell we tried to kill this person and he didn't die but that's we know that's not what happened people did not embrace the message of Abraham so that's one thing another example is like you will see in so for example surah maidah there's a verse about there's a verse about the table a surah the surah of the table

right right sorry it's just the connection they almost went a bit weak so it's the surah of the table and the Hawaii in the disciples of Jesus asked Jesus that can yo God send down a table and Allah says is the verse of the Quran right so it quotes them first verse 1 1 4 and then 1 1 5 is 7 o Maryam Allah Amaro bonanza Elena mati that's a minister mantacorn Alana evenly over Lee now you know I it's a mink what is it

now antihero raza pain o Allah send down a table from the sky that it may be a feast and and so on and this is what the people with was asking him that it may be a feast for us and we may celebrate and Allah says Paul Allah in me Moniz Aloha alaikum for me yak for vardaman company or the other band lazybone Adam in anatomy Allah says I will send down this table but should any of them disbelieve after it then I will give them such a punishment and that that nobody has ever received such a

punishment now P people would say oh ok so law sent down this table but I want to ask you something way does it say that Allah actually sent the table it doesn't say any verse is saying if I send this table and you disbelieve then watch what happens now see look in all the tough acid and all the major toughie see if this is even assured they will write what telefilm officer oon demo first serine disagreed an almighty the hell nestled at - Emma

I'm lanterns in did the table actually come down they disagreed fan Mujahid wall has an unknown limb Massimino polar Allah so Hasan al-basri Mujahid they said when Allah said for maniac form income for maniac for bottom income whosoever disbelieves then watch the punishment huh Fuu they became frightened first offal men pala penis Uli - em Tintin for them - no said that they that they became frightened and they said that you know what forget it we don't want it that is the selleth of this Omar the students of evening bus

were saying that that the table didn't actually get sent down now you can believe that the table got sent down that's up to you people can believe that it didn't get sent down that's up to them but no way in the Quran does he actually say that it got sent so what I'm trying to say is to force your interpretation onto something and then to call other people deviance is unacceptable he then went on to say about the birth of Jesus and this is something that people are deviants for

challenging now regarding Jesus ali ali salam in the quran we know the language surrounding Jesus in the Quran is quite interesting ok because it's styled in ways that no Muslim beliefs about Jesus so for example Jesus is referred to on more than one occasion in the Quran as the Word of God now that doesn't resonate with Muslims we don't believe in Jesus to be the Word of God

that's a Christian thing get in the Quran so for example in Ali Imran verse 43 Allah says when giving glad tidings to Mary that they hear that she received glad tidings we kill him at a min who but of the word coming from God is smoo al maseeh hi Sapna Maryam the Messiah Jesus the Son of Mary that will be his name this the word this is the word of God in another verse in Surat Annisa 170 in the Messiah I said no Maryam rasool allah wa kelly that jesus is the messenger of god and

his word which he sent down or threw down on to Mary and the Spirit of God what I mean once again what are these these words no Muslim really believes this about Jesus if you want to accept literal nobody believes that another see this is very like like in the Gospel of John that in the beginning there was you know in the beginning there was the word and the word was with god and the word was god and as muslims if you believe that the word of god is uncreated then by

that you ought to it follows almost ties into Jesus being uncreated because he is the word of God now Muslims will say oh but by the Word of God here we just mean he was a miracle no but that word of God isn't used for any other prophet and you could say yeah because he didn't have a dad yeah but then you argue that Adam didn't have a dad and you don't refer to either as the Kalamata law is the Word of God so what is going on why and then the word the holy spirit is used with no other prophet I mean it's used once as

revelation coming down with the Holy Spirit but otherwise it's used on three occasions just with Jesus and so you have for example Allah says in Surat al-baqarah verse 87 ye Adnan Bey help others and we assisted we gave him a help with the holy spirit this was to Jesus in surah bakra verse 253 while our teen is a memory man bayonetta we gave him the clear signs what a Vietnam be Rohilkhand us and we as helped him with the holy spirit in surah maidah verse 1 1 5 Allah says if call Allah yeah i said

'no maryam and when god said oh jesus the son of mary booth corneum a ti-liger remember my blessings upon you and your mother what is the take it yet took a bear or help others when I helped you with the Holy Spirit once again what is this holy spirit this isn't mentioned with any other prophet generally you don't get any of this so there's a lot of rhetoric being used when it comes to Jesus that was generally the kind of Christian rhetoric that is used in the Quran perhaps in a sense of building bridges between the Muslim and Christian

communities and to maybe a find an ally in them and be maybe for many of them to convert and come closer find themselves in greater proximity to Islam and they by embrace the message right right generally a they say is 58:22 what is

that let's see let's see 58 sort of ok oh right no I've passed it sorry one moment I wish they would number in this myself I haven't got it numbered you see

right okay what verse did you say 58 22 21 22 that's I didn't know it doesn't say it doesn't say see this is my point it doesn't say in any verse of the Quran right I I mean see it says we help them with a spirit from him not with the Holy Spirit we're raw hello cutters row hello cutters is the Holy Spirit not Roy Roy

just means spirit holy spirit which people will say is gibreel now that only comes generally comes wants to do with revelation that we sent them revelation with the Holy Spirit other than that with the only prophet that it is mentioned it is just ASA now my point of mentioning this is that the rhetoric with Jesus is is different so now when it comes to the virgin birth first of all it's a different topic that even in the Bible right now with the exception of the Gospel of Luke and

Matthew generally the Bible never really referred to in essence the virgin birth I mean this wasn't a the early Christians it's not it's Oh most likely that the early Christians did not believe in a virgin birth right this is the early Christians I'm not speaking about Muslims the early Christians most likely did not believe in a virgin birth and neither and the prophecy that they're referring to in the Old Testament even biblical scholars highlight that that word does not say but all virgin he says Alma which meant a young girl as in like a

young maiden which most likely was a virgin but didn't have to be so the same word is used with Solomon and the same word is used on a certain occasion Alma who had a child and so and it's one of the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament that they kind of fall back on but you will see before the Gospels are written so any of the letters of the Apostles of the letters of for example Paul and all of these there is never a mention of a miraculous birth of Jesus and this comes much later definitely by the second century third century after Krish

after Jesus this becomes doctrine now the question is as well Mary is never in Islam referred to as the Virgin Mary this is a very Christian thing right this is never the some Muslims have started to fall victim to this we never say virgin mary virgin it mary is not referred to as maryam al bottle okay she is not Mary was definitely married and she was most likely definitely not a virgin generally speaking throughout her life like the Catholic Church likes to

believe so for example Jesus had brothers and sisters in fact the Gospel of Mark and definitely the Gospel of Matthew 13 mentions James josie's Jude Simon and unnamed sisters were the children of Mary and the siblings of Jesus that is mentioned so now just to highlight right so okay another thing I wanted to highlight the reason I was saying this is I've not said that people cannot believe in the virgin birth I've

not said that I've said that the Muslims have had a difference of opinion on this matter that you do have that as a general belief that Muslims feel that Mary had a virgin birth although no verse in the Quran says that she had virgin birth a verse implies it does not say just as the table verse implies that the table may come down but it doesn't say that it did happen like that so I'll come to that verse in just a moment now verse is implying note so yes in God he says in his thing this is a clear verse of the Quran I'd like him to show me what clear verse of the Quran says that

it was a virgin birth that it happened like that now not just implies but directly says that then I mentioned some Olimar like Maulana Abdul Karim Allah thirty Alamut Amana Ahmadi and these people said that it was a natural birth and that's not the case but the miracle they highlighted was that when she got married to Joseph that Joseph would abstain and he was not interested in any kind of intimacy and hence when the angel came and she said but how can I have a child and I haven't even been touched and that after that that she did

conceive she conceived naturally just as Ibrahim ELISA Lam's wife said how can I have a child and when the angel came to her and she said I've reached the menopause I'm an old lady and they said and the angel said well it's the decree of God it doesn't mean she had a natural somehow kind of non-sexual birth it doesn't it didn't mean that just as the wife of Zechariah in the Quran who says that she was barren and she says well how can I have a child and the angel says it is the decree of God it doesn't mean that she just conceived just like that she had a husband Zachariah I mean that none of

these and the same so these people who have argued this point have just gone with with those two prophets before them they said well the same thing was said to them same thing was said to Mary everybody accepts Mary had a husband at the time Joseph the difference was was that birth a virgin birth Muslims do not believe virgin she remained a virgin throughout her life nobody says these not Muslims anyway and even many Christians beyond the Catholics don't say that either so and here's the verse now this is an interesting one you see chef yes sir are you saying no we must only go with literal reading of

the Quran in surah tota hareem in verse verse 12 you had the verse about Mary whoa Mary my Boneta in Ramallah t a sonnet for jaha and Mary who had been chaste and safe guarded her private parts and asana by the way is a verb that is used often in Arabic to do with safeguarded through marriage so hence they say when somebody is in trouble for adultery were they my son as allah says in the quran well mas an ottoman and Nisa which is the beginning of the fifth

juice is referring to those women who are married who are chaste through marriage okay Imran Allah ty0 Mary Mineta Imran ality a sonnet for John - fo na female Ruina you see this verse reads and maryam the daughter of Imran who safeguarded her genitals her private parts we breathed into the into it he says fauna naffy he into her private parts may Rowena of our spirit

now that's in surah tutoring now as far as I'm aware no Muslim would generally believe that to be literal I mean I don't know maybe she'll hear sort of God he does believe it to be literal but generally Muslims don't believe God actually went and breathed into Mary's private parts with his spirit into that no but no Muslim that I'm aware of generally believes that to be literal so yet yet you're saying that any other verse must always take every literal

implication so this is my this is my point now this is the verse that you're referring to that in surah Maryam and there's another one as well but this one is in a bit more detail what kerfield kitabi maryam and remember maryam when she set off to a place for Taha that mean dunya German and then Allah says for our salah alayha rohana fatima Salalah hey Bashar and so we and we sent our spirit and this once again they say is the spirit here is the Holy Spirit being gibreel but Allah didn't say that but they this is the general understanding

and he appeared as a strong man to her as sorry as a fully-developed man call it a near homonym inca in cantata yeah she said i seek refuge in allah from you paula in a manner of solar ibiki i am the messenger of your lord Lee AAHA balakey Holloman zakiya so I may give to you a lamb a young boy now by the way most Muslims don't accept that either literally that he gave the child to to marry nobody Muslim I don't know any Muslim that accepts that

literally so eyelets I know you're cool illegal am unwilling me obsessed me but sure well I'm a kuba a year she says that no man has touched me I'm not a woman of bad character oh how can I have a child Carla cause I like a caller Ibuki who are Lea hanging that such your Lord has said he and it is easy for him well in niger allahu and so that we may make him I attend Lena see where I'm at a mineral can Amalia and then it mentions she became pregnant and went to a distant land and so on no we're here

does it say that it was a virgin conception I'm just saying you can still believe that I do except it implies that just as the table verse implies that the table was sent down yet several people didn't accept that it was sent down because he didn't clearly say so so a lot could have clearly said yes and Jesus didn't have a dad but a lot doesn't say that once in the Quran he does not say that so yes you can take this verse and say you know I I take from this that it she it was a virgin birth but to say people anybody who

disagreed with that has left the the Dino has become a deviant and gone against this and that how that goes and and let me tell you and those people who argued against that so for example those like Maulana Abdul Karim an asari his teacher maulana in ayatollah gujarati it was vizier Abadi and a lama termina ahmadi and all these scholars that they have so for example they use this verse in the Quran which is in surah al-anam well i speaking about the prophets and in surah 80 verse 85 he says was that

career yeah yeah Issa well yes I could aminosilane and all of these prophets were from the pious people Zachariah yeah here Issa and yes they were all pious why is my ill well yes sir were Eunice were lute and all of these were : football now al al-amin and we favored all of these women ABBA him and their fathers we favored was the reality him or f1 him and they brothers and offspring this verse would include Jesus in de because it says it mentions these eight prophets and it says and their fathers now you could say yeah but that

was just lit that was just usage language but it didn't include him who but it does seem to Incline definitely weighs in on the side that he had a father weighs in on that side another verse that those people used is in surah 2 an arm and they using the quran d it's not that they making this stuff up Allah says in surah al-anam and this is a very powerful verse that they use we allow in refuting people says buddy Osama Watty one Allah who created the heavens and the earth Analia kun Allahu Allah

how can God have a child listen to this listen to these people I'm knockin Allahu Willard how can God have a child well I'm tackled level sahiba and he did not have a wife or a companion you see because Allah is showing them the reasoning that how can God have a child and he didn't have a wife now if you're gonna say yeah but you could just have a miracle child like he did in the other verse so that means God's reasoning here that God has given is silly like God is

arguing against them in unless the only reason that would make sense is if a reason and the laws of nature make sense why else does this make sense why is God saying to them but he Osama was he well on that Allah the creator of the heavens and the earth Ania cool Allahu Allah how can he have a wallet well mtech Allahu sahiba and he did not have a female companion because that's how babies are born so right so this shows this is a clear

verse why otherwise this reasoning is to say the Lord you say well that's easy God doesn't need to God could just make a child without having a female so then that's an argument like that's an argument against God for using that as an argument the only way that verse can make sense is if all births follow a natural law of order or natural order of law sorry so now the so these are the arguments used by these people who argued for a natural birth and like I said look it's

entirely up to people I'm not saying you need to believe this I'm not saying you need to believe that but to declare deviant and to declare people like oh they've lost the plot they they no longer main Stream Muslims they no longer this they no longer that because they have this reading of the Quran when the Quran itself doesn't actually say that that's a huge stretch so I mean these are some words then he whoa at the time right then he spoke about evolution even though the verses of the Quran say work on halakha come at whare in surah Noor that Allah created you in stages Allah

mentions in surah new verse 17 wallah whoo I'm better communal or dinner Berta Allah grew you like plants out of the earth now what is that talking about and then Allah says in surah al-anbiya verse 30 I want a mirror ladina Catherine s-samawati wa lob can I tell what do they not see how everything was like as one and then we cleft in asunder and that was all nominal man equal lashing hey FLI you mean I'm from water from a common water we created all

sources of life do they not see this yet they do not bring faith that's verse 30 of surah al-anbiya how is this aunty once again look you can believe what you want an eeveelution I'm not saying it's up to you but these verses clearly argue for that I'm just saying why are these people deviants or heretics or new prophets how it makes no sense whatsoever and as the verse in surah al-e-imran in the math Eliza in the Leica Maithili Adam a holic almond throbbing from a hollow cone fiyaquun' the example of Jesus is like that of Adam he created him that's in our on

verse 59 he created him from dust and said be and he was well we know that's not true for first of all for Jesus because if Jesus is like Adam then Jesus had a mum then that means Adam must have had a mother and then you're gonna say well no well that's not the case Adam didn't have a mother so when how is he like Jesus and then you're saying well he created him from dust well you know Jesus wasn't created from dust and then you say oh no but it was the command be and it is and he said yeah but let's just go to that verse Holika whom Interop he first

of all created him then said be so look Hanukkah whom Interop he created him from dust some all after a time had elapsed said to him allah llahu khun chayakorn but he created him first he wasn't created with the sudden be because then why would why would Mary be pregnant why didn't it why wasn't he just created what was the whole purpose allotted Hanukkah whom he created him then said

be and he was right so right so that's some of these things which I think are important to really truly was just seeing here there was another important verse I want you to pay attention to this this is sort of taught me known on evolution right Allah speaks right verse

12 and 13 this is incredibly important right on surah told me known Allah says walaqad jalapeno in sanam insularity main thing we created in son from a gooey kind of substance of clay and many people said that this extract this kind of Salalah sorry a gooey extract many people today say that is DNA that is being referred to maintain most of them of a serene say that this by the way in son you can check bobbery and all these are the books they say in Sanya is Adam

walaqad jalapeno in sanam insularity maintained created Adam they say so much Allah who then we placed him him not fatten the kirari McKean we made him a drop a droplet and not fight is usually a droplet of sperm the ferrari machine in a stable which is the room for our in a stable place now some of them here the more serene get confused because if the first one was Adam then

how was Adam in a room so here some of them say maybe this is talking now the second who is talking about people in general other people said no maybe Adam was created and then placed in an artificial womb like a love created a womb like structure and put him in it and then those people who argued for evolution like the tore up the reversible Shaheen and other people they said well why if if wounds were already available why would Allah create an artificial womb like structure so look these are verses of the Quran that are

being used they're not like somebody's not bringing this out of thin air so I think that's really important the second key factor that shelf Yasir Qadhi went to was about the Quran UHN and I agree with him here that look and by the way on the evolution point yes oh god he said a lot clearly mentioned in the Quran about Adam and Hawwa and anybody who disagrees with this first of all how ah is not mentioned in any verse of the Quran okay there is no mention of Eve in the Quran just to clarify that for sure he has a Adi Sahib damnit vodka - come on alia there is no mention of even the

Quran Eve is mentioned in some hadith in the Quran Allah mentioned there about five or six places well Allah kanakam me enough same way he that we created you from a single soul in none of those verses does he ever mention that to be Adam so any verse in which Allah mentions the origin of mankind that we created you from a single soul and from it we made many Alfre and you know from it or its partner we set for many Adam is never mentioned in those verses the word Adam although the name Adam is used on countless occasions in

the Quran but never used we're allies speaking about we created you all from Adam and so on like that in these verses where well I gotta lock now come enough sim Wahid and so on that is just it always just says from a self another interesting verse is one of them I don't let me see if I've highlighted here somewhere with bringing up if it is here

right see oh this is an interesting verse in surat al-a'raf and you can all share yourself copy this that you see who only the halacha come in not saying why he they created you from a single self and by the way this is always feminine whenever it is used it is never masculine created you from a single self a feminine self Raja al-amin has Oh jam from it created it's the feminine its partner so he may find compassion or sorry may find tranquility in her fellow Mottola shahe when he covered her intimately sexually she became pregnant for hama let me Hamlin for Hamlet Hamlin

- she carried she was off child for Margaret to be out as time went by when it became when she became heavily pregnant fell in my ask Allah that Allah Obama they cried out today Lord line are tight and I saw Lee Hamlin a cool and I'm gonna share Kenan if you give us a pious child we will be grateful fell in my art our masala Han when he gave them either a pious or a fully beta body in able-bodied a sound child when he gave them a sound child jalalahu Shalaka they committed with allah most mother

serene say that's Adam how is that Adam why is Adam committing shook and then they say oh he only committed shirk in name like he decided to name his child offer another God but he didn't believe he he just named it what a stupid thing to say why would Adam ali salaam be committing it doesn't make any sense unless this person that is being spoken of is from before Adam right another interesting thing is inni ja'ilun fill all the Khalifa I will play something halifa means something that comes at the

end of on earth the end of you the end of the other hominins that will succeed the other hominins so this that's that's those who are arguing in favor of evolution and look if you don't want to accept evolution you don't have to although it is pretty much a scientific fact now through genetics that we are connected all of life on Earth is connected so but don't call people who do believe that the world around us is you know it's something Allah has told

us to explore when it is reconcilable with the quran don't tell us that that is somehow devaluing the program right now the second thing on the Quran I own I pretty much I agree with the chef Yasir Qadhi although when he said about the Quran in rejecting hadith and so on the hadith first of all he kept using the words hadith and so 90 changeably which according to the school of Medina Imam Malik Inaba Hanif is wrong so we believe in the Sunnah the hadith is not the Sunnah okay so we draw a distinction obviously share here so called the being from the seller fees from the Wahhabi kind of background doesn't draw that

distinction so so to him they are synonymous to us they ain't synonymous the other thing he missed out when he said to the Quran that they are how would they know how to pray five times a day you see we don't know how to pray because of Hadees we know how to pray because of the living tradition of Islam so we know that through thick okay so Fick carried on the living tradition which ironically is rejected by Sharia law kadhi and the Salafis and the Wahabi by extension they reject as in following a particular method but the living

tradition is what preserved the pseudonym that Islam was just practice people didn't used to say oh hey how do we how do we praise Allah I know let's open a fifth book oh sorry a hadith book oh we do that that's not how Islam was spread they just learnt it from you know from from father to child that's how it was transmitted that is the living tradition so he forgot to mention that point oh he chose not to mention that point the other thing is he said about look the hadith that let the Haditha quoted of air badness area is a week by Fadi that

isn't really there's no point really quoting that because it is graded as life which is a bit ironic since you're trying to prove IDs and the hadith you quote is a weak one ah being a goddess all right so the the other thing is he said I've I've mastered the science of

hadith and anybody who masters had these knows that there's no doubt in hadith I [Laughter] don't know what class you were sitting in because anybody who studies have eath knows that hadith in general oh the general understood the orthodoxy of hadith studies is that hadith is hobro a hat okay it is not certain it's not known with certainty and we and this is why you can't build beliefs based on hadith according to the majority the Orthodox Muslim the ash Oddie's okay you can't build beliefs based on hadith you can only build beliefs based on the

Quran right by principle according to the a shoddy s and the matarese which were the majority of the Muslims the the orthodoxy so so that's not not actually true the other thing is hobro are had normal hadith the hanafis do not accept normal hadith just like this anyway until they don't meet their principles so they do to reject hadith that go against reason the Maliki method the European will reject Habra hat if it went against reason this is an on principle - either you don't know this or you do know it when you chose to omit

this or you I'm trying to find more excuses for you Mary John this is out of my love for you but I'm rich stuck in this one you know so sorry but yeah right so the thing is that yeah and as to you being an expert in Buhari and all these things yeah let's have a talk Buhari gate I've highlighted the issues on Bihari Gate you've not

answered them you've refused to engage in a dialogue you've repeated about two or three times in your hotbar that you are such an expert and master you know you hold these and which maybe you do I'm not I'm not denying that your studies by the way you began your talk by saying people who are not qualified I don't think that part was aimed at me to be fair because technically I would clearly outrank you okay you know I just like speaking with honesty because

technically I'm innocent I would outrank your teachers that taught you because I'm a Mufti at the end of the day Quran major who must be a bull a sponging up is Kabir Hadley husk ichika that's actually a poem from John Illya I just put my name in there but the thing is that look so as far as the qualifications are concerned I don't think you were referring to me then because I've definitely studied the whole Alamitos I don't think I don't know as far as I'm aware sure he has a thought he studied in Modena University

so I don't I'm not aware that he actually went through traditional Madras our training I'm not sure if he did I don't think he has I don't think he's being freshly trained what they call the animal attacked in the Arab world or we call it did us at a Lamia I don't think he's received that and as far as I'm aware I could be wrong I don't think he's actually you know studied the book I mean like memorized the Quran maybe he has memorized the Quran but I don't think he's actually studied the books of hadith cover-to-cover so we had to study all of bihari Muslim abu dawood tell me the etc cover to cover every single hadith in there I

don't think he's done things like that but I don't think that was aimed at me anyway but perhaps I thought I'll just mention that anyway so qualifications are definitely there so that's not true and why don't we have a talk if you're very confident since you said I'm more than confident about the science of hadith and as to the third point of radical reinterpretations that meant anything new is tantamount to declaring yourself a new prophet car these are bars either you behave you know this one

what do you mean declare yourself a new prophet how is not the Salafi movement a radical reinterpretation do you declare yourself a prophet for being radically a moment when I read your message saying look we should shun all the previous schools and come up with a new interpretation from you what you had announced was was that you declaring yourself to be a prophet this one big problem this label too big you know this trying to say declare yourself being a

prophet come on come on behave so god this up that one was that's a bit too much that really it's on they don't do much so we can't declare so i think these kind of things are out of order however you can look you can say to people look I think you know I disagree with you or I want to stick with the majority and like he said that hadith is yet Elijah MA the irony is all of the selfies are presented with these exact same idea on why they should follow methods and

that's the irony all you have to do is read their own responses to normal Muslims on why they don't follow methods and they say yet Allah Hema aljahmeir but the Jamaa are can be one person this is the Celebes you come up with this that we don't need to follow the majority one person can be the majority this is what they say so why is it that these things aren't looking at either look what selfies believe I'm not trying to be rude but look in all honesty you can ask F yourself Bobby they believe that God has one leg old selfies believe

God has one leg and one foot not making this up they say yeah we don't know what his leg looks like sorry that's just my laughter coming out these are not nice B hey Musti behave let me just have a word with myself right okay but in all honesty in all seriousness they do believe God has one leg you can ask yourself Cardenas he'll tell you yeah we believe God has one leg in one foot but we just don't know what that forty's and

we don't know what that leg is and we don't know what it looks like or and you think well what on earth are you on about that majority the Muslims have never believed stuff like this is this not a radical you know are you not why don't you follow the majority the Gemara the Gemara and the quran has is full of only from usage as well to say there's no non-literal usage in the quran of course there is the the Hadees have always argued the majority the Muslims have accepted metaphor in the Quran Allah uses metaphor on several occasions in the Quran I've quoted like the verses the whole wanting to fall down how does

the world want the verse is to do with Allah most of the Muslims do not take these things like Allah has one foot in one leg and what is it hands and this and that and multiple eyes and these verses that are mentioned in the Quran most Muslims accept them just as non-literal usage like just these are just like idiomatic usage of language to reflect power and Majesty in the Quran and stuff like that so all right so I hope these things make some sense my battery is kind of coming to an end people look that's how much passion and

enthusiasm we put in this guy but I hope this the serious message came across here that I had to share my thoughts because I thought that video was quite dangerous by Sheree arsenal Fadi and it does dishearten me that I don't know maybe I'm wrong but he seems to have really done a 180 on his his stance where he was developing and becoming quite open to reason so a few years ago share here sir all these saying music may not be Haram I remember that because I shared it on Facebook that was interesting that was a new radical

reinterpretation sometimes sometimes sometimes subtle right not old-time sometimes alright so the sub so that was but then I don't know he seems to have really come back with all with all of these and so that's it really so in summary share chaos Arkady all I want to say is it's there's a difference of interpretation we need to be welcoming we need to embrace dialogue and I do agree with you I am not in favor of

rejecting hadith in general although Imam Malik Porter that we accept hadith and we reject her thee where it goes against the tradition where it goes against reason where it goes against the principles of Islam or against the Quran this is our understanding of the theme however we generally accept having we are not people I say throw hadith away nobody has said that and I agree with you although I wouldn't quote that we can

sorry sorry sir sorry I got carried away no carried away your excuse me sorry way yeah right so that's the I get excited you know sometimes the excited so right people so on that I'll leave you with that wow it's been quite a lengthy session guys have an awesome evening an awesome night wherever you are get some rest inshallah as always much love and to share yourself Adi yeah little bit Muttley and I have don't take these words to heart

ah love you my journey all right rest of you Chavez likewise take care of yourselves we'll catch up soon salam o aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato