What was the hardest time of your life?

could naughty naughty mufti remember his present and the fun the fun times [Laughter] shower soap what is this one now the i do remember of course i remember my present time somebody somebody had asked in the beginning well i don't know if i reflect what are some very difficult times in my life some very sad i don't know actually you know it's there's been some very

challenging moments unquestionably in my life um and naturally they would have had sadness with them but i'm trying to think of grieving sad i don't know if i can think of grieving sad obviously childhood is just something which i can't even go into it's just like uh lock that basement and yeah that's uh that would have been a very uh interesting time growing up but all the therapy i've had to watch this is us in in just slow uh series at a time for

therapy to kind of like heal myself i gotta say it's so well man i it just hits me so much that tv series does but yeah um what times have been there have been times there have been times obviously since some things could be very personal so i don't really share very personal things not my style so yeah there there there probably were some very tough times i remember you know if i if i try and think of flash bulb moments so there was a time i remember when i was studying but

uh that kind of comes to mind a a very difficult time i mean i don't know if it was a very difficult but that moment was very uh overwhelming um from an emotional perspective there's obviously been you know many challenges since i've been back and many ups and downs and roller coaster of a ride but um but what what what is worthy of mention though definitely i do yes i mean the it is unquestionable that the

it's not the prison thing but uh you see prior to the prison there was the whole turning my life upside down because of it [Laughter] not the prison itself so you have to remember that the arrest kind of turned my life upside down it clearly did uh there's no question like i won't lie when in my life there's you know there's a marker of that kind of pre-arrest and post arrest i mean there's a there's a kind of a blurtle prison and all that kind of thing but

um but that actual point this is kind of like a an unintentional kind of marker the way people see like kind of events pre-911 post 911 in my mind i kind of see him like that and um because um you see you it kind of came out of nowhere and my life was kind of going full steam ahead in you know in directions i was teaching i was teaching online i was teaching classes i was doing things i was you know i was doing all kinds of and yeah you know everything is it's hustle and bustle and you know traveling and this uh and i'm not saying things didn't restore

things in many ways got even better later on but for that moment in fact i recall i had actually just come back from a trip abroad i'd come back from a trip abroad and [Music] i just got home and it was um i think it would have been a thursday i was very tired and i remember

i remember pulling a sick so it's so i remember uh kind of yeah doing that with work for the next morning and yeah and then these what do you know these uh bang bang bang bang bang on the door and these cups and and i and it came out of literally nowhere i mean just the day but prior to that so wednesday night i would have just landed back being abroad i was abroad you know and hustle and bustle and this this this and that

all kinds of things and and just suddenly to you know it wasn't just being arrested it was that they see they kind of they said oh um i mean i was arrested for the the the alleged offence was corrupting a police officer i was like how can i corrupt the corrupted i usually corrupt the ummah but hello you know if you want me to and and to be honest you know in this thing i was actually innocent to be i still maintain my innocence but it wasn't just that it was see they really wanted to make an example out of me

so they kind of seized everything they could imagine electronic and it had no relevance really to the the kind of case but still you know they seized everything phones laptops computer ipads everything digital just went and i knew because you know you they must have taken so many whatever phones ipads everything that was digital nothing i've got nothing and that shock there's a kind of shell shock um which must have lasted for weeks um

and it was very and then the uncertainty of what's happening you know and then this this dragged on for years this this dragged on it was so ridiculous it dragged on for like three years or it's just under three years this uncertainty of what's happening and this and that and yeah it was a very um kind of strange time obviously during that three years i kind of obviously i resumed my life maybe with maybe about half a year later i'd kind of resumed my life i'd got back to i started teaching classes or you know my religious stuff

and doing other things and and life had some kind of normality to it but it was just strange and you know they just treat you really weird and um and you you it wasn't um unquestionably that those early months were very unsettling from the shell shock you know because imagine now you have no phone no anything no um no work no everything goes from so busy to just stand still and i think at the time it really scared a lot of people around me as well and that's natural it's not their fault but i i think i would get scared as well if

something happens to somebody you know who i'm around and i don't exactly know what's happening so and i think a lot of people kind of retreated from me because they just didn't know what was go i didn't know what was going on and they didn't know and it was just uh i'm not blaming them but you see that kind of added to so it was like no people no contact no phone no work no [Laughter] welcome to the world of uh shell shock uncertainty so yeah that was a very interesting um i think it

left a kind of imprint on my psyche definitely and but i mean like many things look in life you come back stronger and i i must say lila many great things came out of that not directly but as a consequence many greater opportunities for work and things like this came out of it obviously necessity is the mother of invention you know you got to think out the box and you try certain things and they you know and you get involved in this and that and it works but yeah that was definitely a very uh shocking experience and even that the