Converts And The YouTube Dawah Scene | Mufti Abu Layth

tell us a bit about yourself I thought then I did you have you converted to Islam or are you I have yeah okay um I'll keep it very brief because I know it's late for you um but I I converted about a year and a half ago um I came from a non-religious background and then just from YouTube I think like a lot of other um people in this generation I got introduced to Islam on YouTube you know the whole Towers theme and everything and then um and then I converted and uh it was it

was amazing um I think as some people have described I went through a very High Iman uh kind of phase you know I was very excited very very passionate learning every day and everything yeah um but then I hit this like brick wall and a few months ago and ever since then um you know I've been I've been going through heavy doubts but I just wanted to say that um your Channel and your your kindness and your spirit

and your reasoning has really like pushed me back to stay you know or at least to keep to keep trying because I mean they were they were there were doubts from different angles but some of it came from I would say intellectual doubts but also a lot of it came from you know some of like the lack of kindness or the lack of you know empathy and Humanity that I saw in some of the YouTube uh dawah people um only some of them but

but seeing someone like you who used a lot of uses a lot of reason and doesn't accept certain things that um you know just sound absurd um even though it can be quite controversial for you um I just wanted to say how much I appreciate that and um and yeah Allah bless you I really I do appreciate that and I it means a lot it means a lot that any of my things have you know they come that they've been helpful and especially in your journey since you've come to Islam

and then found let's say some whether they're speed bumps or hurdles along the way and um and it's it's naturally these things are a struggle I guess you know in many ways life itself is a journey and faith is a journey as well and it's um it's it's so sometimes there's a um see you know when a person even if they weren't Muslim and they are sorry even if they were Muslim and they became practicing or especially in your

case where you Embrace a faith there comes with it this energy and that energy runs with you you don't need to run with it it will run with you yeah but the thing about that energy is it is it has a kind of temporality about it it has a uh it's not never-ending it comes for a certain set period there will be a burnout yeah it's inevitable and the problem is once that what the hope is let's put it like this

the hope is that with the energy whilst it's in full swing a person starts um they they start immersing themselves in a way that it doesn't have to be above their head but in a way that that maybe they learn things maybe they start to live uh the faith in a way it enhances them it gives them some meaning it's a bit like a kind of booster pack with a rocket that it's taken it to orbit and then now it's in orbit so when it when it drops it's cool the problem can be if when it loses that booster

pack that it's not in orbit and so then there's turbulence and it's like well okay well what do we do now and so I think alhamdulillah that you the fact that you're innate nature recognizes compassion kindness that these things this is seriously this is the this is what the entirety of Islam is nested foreign

in Arabic only thing in a nutshell in a very reduced reductionist manner this verse of the Quran that uh that this is all really Allah is sorry that he is but it all comes down to just two things one Justice because Justice is also a form of esan but a different manifestation that you are providing the rights of a deprived people to them they are Seeking Justice

and it's so important because the world without Justice just wouldn't wouldn't work and it's such a fundamental core you know when a person has been wronged they in their like their heart cries that they know how they've been wronged and they so this at the Primacy Allah says and okay so people can get what they are entitled to they are not wrong and then kindness compassion that's it and what follows

it's an extent it's an explanation of that yes sir of just so yeah the fact that you identified that and you and you're right that look there are sometimes some people I refrain from that kind of tower that was seen I uh the reason is I do feel that show people's intentions may be good you know maybe they they love is you know they they have a love for the Deen but the efforts at times can be misplaced like the love can be slightly misplaced into this thing of let's get

people let's you know either love for Islam I'm going to show Islam is strong I will just you know I'll put down other people and I'll have this and sometimes maybe unbeknownst to them maybe they do know but what it brings out this very harsh hashing this kind of you know in Arabic this this side of um which is not a side of the faith the prophet salallahu wasn't like that he was not this person look the prophet lived in a warrior Society he lived in a warrior Society

um he when when pressed and pushed he fought he fought back he did he took and he stood his ground but he was never a kind of um you know when people see this this image of not enough the prophet but they have this image of people who are like all this bravado or all this kind of hard work he would not walk around with a sword and walk around and do you think he was very

he was very soft with people when he spoke to them they say one of the things about the prophet salallahu when he spoke to someone he gave them all his attention and in such a way that they thought you know what this I I'm this guy's number one that there's a famous incident that somebody was so taken aback when the prophet would speak to him with so much uh kind of com so much kind of kindness and focus that person thought he was the prophet's best friend and there's an incident where he goes and he and he tells someone that you

know oh and like he says okay guess who guess who like he thinks they're gonna say him that he's the the closest they just confused that why he thinks that and but this was the this thing of this compassion the prophet was not this this person throwing his weight around like I'm a tough guy or I'm it's not that these things don't work and even if they do work they work from a fear angle an intimidation the prophet came from a mercy a compassion for the world

and it's I had this video as well and I was going to say this incident where they wanted to come and assassinate the prophet you have the story of Ahmed and this whole thing and I've spoken about it previously but in that incident the the person's calling the prophet to the side see the prophet wouldn't know he wouldn't walk around they did people did own the prophet did own a sword and did own these things everybody did in that Society but he would walk around with these kind of things and do things like this it was not it was the The Prophet's nature see this is the the beauty there was

such a you know people speak nowadays of this balance of Yin Yang of the of almost the masculine feminine energies this balance they speak of you see that that they say that if there's a balance is this this epic Harmony in an individual where they are secure with themselves where they are kind and compassionate like they used to say about the prophet that oh he kissed his children and like so the harsh because the people the Arabs thought what what on Earth is he doing that's that's like weakness women do that and the prophet said that this is Mercy Rahman and the person said to the

prophet I've got I think nine children I haven't kissed one of them and the prophet said that you know Allah Israel and whoever doesn't show mercial then how can they expect Mercy from God so this this this nature but at the same time you see there's a famous incident narration in sahih Muslim that the there was this this particular mourning there was this uh it was the General culture of the Arabs they would wake up at dawn and even non-muslim Arabs would it was just how the society was

in early just pre-dawn that there was this loud sound so on the outskirts of Medina there were these these kind of like like on one side there were these certain kind of woods and things that they had near not the hourly that was further out but on the outskirts of the city on one side and there was this certain sound that many people heard it and they didn't know what it was and they got scared it was so loud now I'm not sure what it actually was but they narrate that it was this really loud like a bind and obviously this isn't that day and age when there isn't machinery and it's

like people petrified like what is it what is it and then they they come out of their homes and they wait and somebody else comes out of his house and this person comes out of his home and they're like did you hear that did you hear that and they and since I Muslim and so and they say and then they see a figure it's emerging emerging emerging it's coming towards them it's the prophet on Horseback uh horseback without a saddle

that the prophet he had already gone and come back he went to check for the safety like that's me you see it's not about you have the compassion but where the time comes a person is firm firm for the well-being of people not in a thugly intimidation kind of way and I think that's so seriously these hadiths are so they're so mesmerizingly uh you know beautiful and all striking that

you get goosebumps you but yeah I uh uh distracted uh going off there but yeah those those are you those hadiths that you mentioned they're almost like hidden gems you know like we're so caught up in all these loud hadithsis you know at least for me like I was like when I was going through the doubts I was you know I go I search up sunnah.com and I go on all these habits and I search up like keywords and like you know so much to grasp and um just one thing I want to add with what you said um I think that level of emotional

intelligence and and compassion I honestly like I don't know about you but I feel like maybe I'm just not as optimistic right now and where I am in my life but it's hard for me to see that when it comes to like something like religion because like if someone's discussing you know their religious beliefs with someone let's say they're arguing over you know my religion with your religion um I think it's just natural for us to become you know like harsh and like because we become vulnerable to what if we're wrong and they're right and so kind of when I

see these discussions happening maybe at like Speaker's Corner or like even with myself like as as much as I'd like it like to admit it when I was going through like my my high any man every conversation that I was about to have I wanted to like give double and talk about Islam because I was so passionate about it but one thing I that I noticed was I was so um it was so new to me that if whenever someone disagreed with me or challenged my thoughts or challenged my proofs for Islam you know I would instantly become so like uh

defensive and like I would it's almost like I would lose a sense of humanity and I see that I think a lot with these religious um it happens to it's interesting that the Quran when it does say that okay fair enough get into a debate it says okay awesome but only in a way that it's it's better and in in a way that us and from Assam with the same thing of with goodness because seldom do people ever accept truths in debates like it

doesn't it just it has the what they call in Psychology the backfire effect that people Double Down and this is why it's you know you need to be quite very very open-minded to get into a debate with someone and accept what they're saying almost almost never happens uh it is an exceptionally rare case almost like a Black Swan event but the yeah so but you're right and you know often it is the ego and it happens to all of us it's not um you know it's

I guess it's human it's creaturely and I remember somebody saying to me the Mufti we are too certain because I said that look I don't want to do any debates and things and that's and I said look I'll have discussions on podcasts My Mind Trap people want to come on we can talk we can have a conversation we can disagree we can but I don't really want to do it portray as a debate because I know that my ego will kick in and and I mean I it's just something which isn't you know

even if you it's not sincere at that stage you see because it becomes about just overpowering the other person vocally and yeah and and you may be able to do that you know you may be able to because you may be maybe you'll like I find with me you know it's really weird I mean I've been debating or like are in that field if you're gonna say for almost what better part of like what 24 years or something so it's not you know when you argue and debate

for so long you become so skilled at it and it I find myself you know in a debate in the debate pressure mentally excelling like I will if I was to do you know when I debate people or when I used to on the spot I will come up with answers that I would not have thought of before that discussion right there and it it just I mean it's sure it's a blessing but it's also I think can get very wrapped up with the

ego because you see it's it's very The Rush that it will because you will because people are not skilled at debate people are not very intellectually astute in that sense like debating is not just about being intellectual it's about being very witty being on the spot being able to come up with something on them in the moment under pressure being able to recall things under pressure it's not about just knowing things like you can do it but on the spot if that if those three second goal the then the conversation could change or that moment has gone and the person's making a different point now so

it's just something which you know maybe some people have it some people don't but it is so wrapped up in the ego that it's not healthy and it's not what Iman is about you know it's not this this journey isn't about that um it's better that we converse and sure we could yeah we could have like a low level kind of if people I I don't like the word debate but discussion where we could kind of you know yeah Challenge and allow that to to manifest but but yeah I thought no I I really

appreciate you coming on sharing your thoughts and um do look and do stay in touch drop me a message on Instagram I will look out for um your profile and I would say that look don't um I I don't know how old you you seem very young how old are you if you don't mind me asking uh 23 23 yeah very very young yeah 20 years my junior look at that 20 years ago 43 years you know you look you have many

chapters to come in your life here many chapters that will unfold events that will um materialize before you and you know so many great things yet to happen so just you know just Just Go With It Just Go With It Like You the the rope that you are holding on to this thing of even kindness within uh Islam this this is

the Rope of God that don't just just just don't worry don't sweat it don't don't you know things there will be turbulence here and there it's all part of the journey and no if you want like if what I'm saying is that if you if you do want to let's say you want to learn a lot you want to go in maybe you want to slow down sometimes maybe you want to it's all good you go with it you go with the flow that you're feeling but don't sweat it don't don't don't don't think look oh uh if I'm not doing such and such what's my faith like what's this oh my God I need I question

my faith need I it is life it is just your faith will be there sometimes some people you know it's like something some things you'd rather have and no this is not an app uh analogy but you know you have the phrase that some things you'd rather have and not need than need and not have but what that's referring to is some things some people their faith they don't even appreciate it until something hits them in life and then the faith is this bedrock that

rises from this abyss and holds them in place and they think yeah Allah you know like and for that day if everything that that was so silent invisible to them it was all worth it for that thing in life like it then becomes clear maybe you're just in like I say chapter three of your life and really in chapter seven you start to see wow now I see how all these things fell into place the story was just being built up it was like a slow burn it was just getting characters into place and

you know Allah has great things in Destiny for you I mean so yeah so stay in touch and drop me a message um and we'll do that shukran for coming on thank you so much