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The letter's attack on Shaykh Akram Nadwi, and a played debate clip: 'one, two, three, kufr'

hadith ahadith ahaadeeth hadis hadees ahaadith muftis kuffar kafir kaafir kufar kaafirun disbelief iman imaan eemaan eeman ahl al-sunnah ahl as-sunnah ahlus sunnah ahl al-sunna sunnis shiah shiite shi'i twelver ithna ashari salafis salafism wahhabi wahabi wahhabism sheikh shaikh sheik shuyukh shaykhs deobandi deoband

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The letter also demanded that Shaykh Akram Nadwi be called a deviant. Mufti Abu Layth plays a debate clip of one signatory repeatedly counting 'one, two, three' and pronouncing kufr, which he holds up as absurd bullying.

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Mufti Abu Layth says the letter, which ran to ten or twelve pages like a booklet, also asked why Shaykh Akram Nadwi was not being called a deviant and how al-Yaqoubi dared to praise him, with threats about what would follow if no answer came. He then turns to the one signatory whose name he recognised, saying there is an audio clip on YouTube of a debate he had with some Deobandis in which he deploys what Mufti calls 'the ultimate strategy', and plays the clip. During and after the clip Mufti reacts that one could not make this up and that this is how absurd it is for people to try to bully grown men into beliefs out of hatred for one person. He repeats the clip's refrain of counting 'one, two, three' and pronouncing kufr, says he believes the speaker was one of the senior figures of these self-styled defenders of the faith, jokes that he feels safe knowing they are out there, and adds that the speaker's actual point seems to have been that he wanted the other side to listen. The transcript around the clip is fragmentary and the clip's own words are not reliably captured.

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7:11

we did get a I want us to know that we are in safe hands people we are in safe hands right because the Islamic board for protection of Sunni beliefs has got this they've got these people right just chill out right they've got this okay so and if we listen to their rules on who we can call who we can why are do Bundy's not kaffir why are Shia not Kathy why our Allah hadeeth Salafi is

7:51

not careful even chef Akram nerdy they had one of the pages by the way that the letter was like like ten pages long or something or twelve I think it's like a booklet like how why is chef Ackerman odd we not being called he's a deviant he's a hobby how dare you praise sure I'm not do we how do you you know if we don't get an answer if we and then I did that name with that name that's the only other name that I did recognize because he has a clip of a it's it's an audio clip on YouTube of a debate that is

8:29

having with some do Bundy's and he has the ultimate strategy people the ultimate strategy and it's one that wants it you you get it in your head you cannot forget it people so it's quite a tricky one because once once you're gonna hear this you're not gonna forget life will never be the same people I'm here is

8:56

this is going on

9:51

oh my god honestly we could not you know something we all lie we couldn't make this stuff up you know this is how absurd this stuff is that people trying to bully grown men into beliefs and just because they're hating on this guy you better agree one two three Kuro one two three one two three people that is you're never gonna forget that now that that is the ultimate argument one two

10:25

three yeah germinating of cool I'm Jani needing it one two three Kuro one two three this oh my god to that I think was the one of the senior figures of the defenders of our faith I for one and absolutely I feel safe knowing that the defenders of our faith are out there and

11:04

really it's just an issue of a the in Cervantes oh sorry do after you in English one two three one two three man that's hilarious man honestly I don't know what he's I think his actual point they was he wanted them to listen and things but he kept going on in the debate about saying I think initially said I want you to list certain three things but and then we'll debate but then he kept saying just do one two three do one two three but this coming

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Mufti Abu Layth. (2020, April 6). The letter's attack on Shaykh Akram Nadwi, and a played debate clip: 'one, two, three, kufr' [Video, segment 2020-04-06-S03, auto-transcribed, may contain errors]. Mufti Abu Layth Archive. Retrieved November 1, 2026, from https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mlnpcjxypqm/s/3/
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  author = {Mufti Abu Layth},
  title = {{The letter's attack on Shaykh Akram Nadwi, and a played debate clip: 'one, two, three, kufr'}},
  year = {2020},
  month = {4},
  date = {2020-04-06},
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  url = {https://muftiabulayth.org/r/mlnpcjxypqm/s/3/},
  organization = {Mufti Abu Layth Archive},
  urldate = {2026-11-01},
  note = {Segment 2020-04-06-S03, auto-transcribed, may contain errors}
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