Fadak between Fatima (r) & Abu Bakr (r) Detailed Overview | Mufti Abu Layth

poisoning let's take a look at this fadak issue I want to explain that it's right so on momento momento people right so I've explained previously that which was quite brief but I've been asked to go over it I have looked into this in much more detail now gone through you know the entire hadith involved a lot of the history I also had the opportunity to go down to within Birmingham that this just weekend gone really just

Saturday there was a kind of symposium held on this are a Shia Institute which was looking at the further issue from a Shia and Sunni perspective and just highlighting the case at hand obviously I mean the Institute was Shia but it's it was kind of with regard to the Sunni perspective as well and the Institute was called al Mahdi Institute it's in Selly Oak in Birmingham I have to say first of all just as a side note for one I was so mesmerized by the actual building and Institute that they've got

honestly I I totally loved it it's I think it was part of Birmingham University or something before it's like a university hall or a separate kind of a unit almost which has all its own Suites and everything and very modern amazing kind of landscape just I I was wowed mesmerised by it as a Islamic faculty I mean I've been in faculties like that before the or when I'm going to things like psychology courses at universities and stuff like this but I've never seen anything to do with Muslims like that and it was incredibly

organized up to date you know kind of technology I was just wild one with the building two days I think it's under the I think the principal share the is share our if very kind of balanced she a scholar I was the first time I met him but somebody who's he's quite very controversial within the Shia circles he's challenged a lot of controversial she appoints and I think there's a lot of the she I've actually boycotted him but I am a very hospitable person I loved that the way they welcomed me there were many Sunnis there

by the way some great traditional Sunni scholars like like trained in back home Pakistan etc people like a lama holid Mahmud sub me and I was overwhelmed with the amount of love he was showing me because I was thinking come on I mean I cuz I really did not expect it from somebody so traditional looking at me I mean because you know I mean just the way I look and things like this and my views are sometimes very kind of challenging but so hospitable he was a lama holid sob and Mufti Farouk's are

both these are Sunni kind of scholars from Birmingham old school and they presented their things in order to but it was an amazing opportunity so I thought I'll just mention that they did really enjoy the visit they and I think we need to collaborate so much more you know sunni shia this whole thing we need to really we really need to kind of go through this Vera you are busy but if you get a bit of time please do answer my question oh yes said shukran much

love I definitely will I'm just trying to see what the question was right I've got - if you can just repost your question please and he doesn't need to be he could just be a standard post I I will get to it I'm just as soon as let me just go through fadak I can't see the question right so all right so I can't see Mesut I can't see his question can somebody post his question please right so I

wanted to discuss so we went through this whole thing a bit about Frederick so fadak is to do we're it's a piece of land I'm going to bring it up let me just see here so for people asking this as you can see I've got it highlighted there fadak and in the center in the kind of rectangle is is Medina so you can see that there right so that's faux

deck and to the top left of it is Hebert and it was in the outskirts of Heber for the cause and it was kind of given to the prophet sallallaahu listen as part of faith okay now faith is that land which the it's that land which the Prophet is given

mm-hmm it's that that land which the Prophet receives through without war fee so it's a kind of truce but as part of the truce people sometimes they would say things like especially in in old times they would say things like look if you they will they would say things like look okay we don't want war tell you what we'll do this sometimes they might say look what I tell you what we'll all leave this region will move to that region you can have these or they might say something like you know what just take this particular thing and let's have a truce let's do this that whatever

it was a kind of compromise that people would do so during the Battle of clay bar there were a lot of surrounding territories and and some of them were taken as a truce they weren't actually taken as as you know with actual war and there is the verse of the Quran we're looking at is in surah talha sure and so if we take a look at it begins with verse 5 market Adam so also we lament Shaitaan regimes or losses market Ottoman lenity no tractor Moo ha ha

Emmet and Allah will surely have a be evening level your seal fastening so Allah is speaking about them this as you go into warfare and so on huama afar allahu allah rasool he and that which Allah gives as fate and PHA is this land or whatever comes as a truce allah rasool e he mean whom farmer al jerf tamale him inhaling villarica or like in the la sala Toros allahu allah ma yah and you have not had to kind of Wade you who you know war with your horses or do things like this Allah has

given Allah has allowed the messenger to kind of preponderate and subdue and control the situation here and it mentions wa lahu al Akula shayin Qadir ma affair allahu allah rasool e so what Allah gives us fate mean a little paurav ala llahi aerosol then it is for Allah and his rasul walid el Korba so voila del cobre well yatama well Misaki whoa Vanessa Beale kala hakuna do Latin banal agnya minkum wama adraka ma rasool allahö do woman huh come on - Tahu what Allah in a

la Hache edita liebe now this is from that four seven in suratul huh sure now in this verse Allah mentions these five categories of of who the who benefits from the faith for losses lillahi wa rasuluh so people generally can't align his rasul as one you know it says well is ill horrible well your terma so the relatives of the messenger while your terma orphans and allah mentions robinus a womanís Sabeel and people who are travelers that kind of need this and

stuff so the issue is here we're dealing with this land and this particular land that we're looking at is is called fadak that i've shown in the map now what's happened is during the lifetime of the prophet salallahu alaihe salam i want to give you a synopsis in some in more detail that during the lifetime of the Prophet Elias room he had this this land and he was very fertile they say that food that was incredibly fertile so he had a lot of produce you know produced things like whether it was barley or dates and things like this now the Prophet would use it and in summary

Wyatt he would use it for travelers that were coming he would kind of have that allotted and he would have a portion from it summary Wyatt say you'd split it in two or sometimes in three and use a portion for this and a portion for that he would set a certain amount aside as they reserved for crises like sometimes there was you know low food availability there were things like this they may have been armies going out so this is how they were organized now the issue at hand was there's two key issues after the prophet's lifetime could this be inherited by his offspring

who in this case is for tomorrow Tilo on her now what we know as a fact is that for tomorrow the law on her approaches Abu Bakr to ask for inheritance but she doesn't receive it she asks for this now she asks for the cidade the Sadaqat as in the the land which is around Medina which was burning a deal and she asks for haber and she asks for father she asks for not just further quite she asks for there's a a large claim that is made or a claim for a large quantity is made

and better to word it better now a worker of the long run response by saying the Prophet said Lenora 'the we as profits do not be quit we do not leave things in inheritance matter Akana siddhappa right so whatever we leave is is a charity the question on reincarnation I'll come to that in just a moment as soon as I just finish this topic of verdict all right so I will I will discuss that I'm just gonna let me

just finish this right so the the issue here is that we know that happened okay that she's denied this now the question is was who was right here right holid sheriffy I'll come to your question as well just on momento momento right so I'm chakra and much love right so I really want to explain this in some detail so now we have these reports we have an in-body that for tomorrow the Allahu Allah

comes she asks for this in fact I'm going to bring the hadith in front of you so you can see this hadith iya that Fatima is asking a worker she asks for the cidade of medina and she asks for also father and haber now and then this goes on to mention it gives a kind of story in a worker saying know that look I'm just going to leave it as how the Prophet had it and that the Prophet kind of oversaw think he kind of oversaw it but not as a as his property but as a guardian as a manager of it basically

and he actually belongs to the Muslims and then it mentions that and then this went on to Omar and then Omar kind of allowed the guardianship of the managing of it to Ali and Abbas and then but that's of the Bernina deal and father can labor he kept control of under the state and then it mentions that in other narrations it does go on that this in the time of Osman is then given to Marwan now I want to highlight here there's some important points right and that is it's a really important question

this land of fadak or fate fate what we're calling faith we're spelling it as FA why and then with an apostrophe for the hamza fate now they do you does one own fate or is he simply managing it because this is what allah says that you have obtained without having to struggle for it so it belongs lillahi wa li rasool volatile korba well your time I will misaki Nawab Mississippi now does it belong to the

general public is this an endowment or is this personal property here there is a difference of opinion among scholars on what they should and ought to be now this really if one can understand that they understand the whole debate abu bakr radiallahu one denies Fatima this based on his understanding that this is really not personal property this belongs to the state belongs the general Muslims so her for tomorrow

de la on her her perspective was that this belonged to the Prophet himself now we do the Shia sources seem to indicate they claim that fatima of the law on her during her lifetime was gifted this by the Prophet and she simply came to Abu Bakr to just kind of state her claim and a worker denied it so this is why some of the Shia then go on to say so this is he usurped he kind of snatched stole her land from her now some of them claim that they go to that extent then within

the Sunni sources they like in Abu Dawood is a hadith that the Prophet in his lifetime Fatima asks her for Fatah and these lands and the Prophet said no he doesn't give it to her now one might say well that doesn't sound like you know is that the case the Prophet would have surely given it to her but actually in the sunni sources you do see this another very famous hadith in which in the SIA inside Hari I believe we the way thought they must cease that there's many more servants have been brought in by the state and she comes to the Prophet and complains about her struggling with household work and asked

for a a slave a servant to kind of help her and the Prophet when he finds out that this is what she came for he comes to visit her and he tells her that shall I tell you something better than that and that is to recite this dua every day but he doesn't give her the slave now my point is that it's within the Sunni sources it appears that during the lifetime of the Prophet Fatima was not given this was not gifted this although the Shia sources claimed it was so that changes the kind of debate slightly from the two perspectives we all agree that

during our workers after the prophecy lots and Fatima comes to a worker she asks for it she isn't given it she is upset with Abu Bakr that much is kind of true and I do think from an inheritance perspective for tomorrow deal on her was right I feel because looking at it and looking at these arguments from the Quran but this is the thing I kind of now feel both were right in their own way and I want to explain this that Fatima in the sense that in the Quranic mentions that the prophets do inherit like what what is the Suleiman Dawood and Solomon inherited

from the hood and we know that wasn't prophet just prophethood we know that the kingdom of David goes on to become the kingdom of Solomon he becomes one of the most powerful kingdoms in its day in age and one of the most wealthiest kingdom of Solomon so we know that was wealth we know that the you've got Zechariah saying Ali Salam in the Quran were in me little Molly I mean healthy I I fear these people after me that Robbie Hubley that grant me a child he says to Allah Jerry Thani that may inherit from me we're assuming a yahoo so we know that this

inheritance thing does seem to see is the Quran seems to suggest or inclined that they do inherit and when Allah says to the Prophet fit you see Camilo Feola dekum Allah tells you about your children that inheritance is like this and a girl gets this much and a boy Allah or to have then said by the way we don't mean you we are so low we mean normal people rest of the Muslims not the Prophet but here the Prophet is being revealed on to like this verse but yet it doesn't include him and there's no mention of this I do feel that that is a weak argument from that perspective

so I do agree with for tomorrow the Allahu Allah in that sense about inheritance however after looking into this in a lot of detail I do see that the debate if not about inheritance if about Fame makes more sense that PHA belong because it was so much wealth it was something the state needed to support the general Muslims like travelers times of Christ times like these things can't become personal properties that the Imam whatever he gets as an imam is not

really his personal property so if today an imam went out on war and he got a certain landing truce and that becomes fee then that really is not his personal property to say okay you know why I'm gonna give this to my nephew that's not how I mean that would upset a lot of Muslims because they'll be like no this is Muslim general kind of welfare property it's an endowment so I see that angle of a worker is more correct although the line of arguing of myrath seems to not then make a bit of sense that because they're discussing inheritance whereas they should have

been really discussing fate so that's the thing one thing that definitely gets quite I think after fought after Abu Bakr Omar Odilo Han in sahih al-bukhari mentions that he gives the guardianship of it to Ali on a bus and then they start arguing over it and what happens in fact Mahadi seems to use his words that they insult each other and actually swear at each other and it mentions the sways as well this is Ali and Abbas to each other and and then it mentions Omar saying to them that look I didn't give this to you as your personal you know property I gave you to just manage it but as by the way those who manage it do

you get to benefit from it they can keep the benefits but they don't own the actual thing so here it mentions in re Wyatt that Ali overcomes a bus and manages to keep it now this is what some other rewired mentioned now then in the time of Earthmen and I'm not quite sure I think here there is a question mark it becomes hazy because earth man seems to give it to his cousin Marwan I'm not quite sure what was going on there maybe earth man at that time felt that you know people don't really need it or

whatever or maybe I'm gonna you know I have since as I'm the Imam I can do so he gives it to Marwan does he give it to him as ownership or does he give it to him as managing I would think he gives it to him as managing why because otherwise it would have been the inheritance of marwan's kids but you see marwon son after him Abdul Malik who becomes the king the Caliph and then his son you get Walid and suleiman they ought to have inherited it but in the time of Omar ibn Abdul Aziz after them and he's not from Abdul Malik he's from Abdul Malik's brother Abdul Aziz he says I'm giving this back I'm returning it to how it was in the time

of overcurrent Omar and he says that this was wrong you know I I disagree should be like how it was so he he gives it restores the guardianship back to the family of the Prophet and then what happens is in the Abbasids time because they felt that I li na snatched it from a bus as the hadith says they snatch it back someone su snatches it back then Mamun gives it back then what overkill snatches it back and it just becomes a kind of a toy really but there was something really interesting that needed to be highlighted here and I mentioned

this by the way in the symposium I went to that I said that look if this was such a key issue one thing that you there's a huge kind of a pothole in this argument and that is during the reign of Ali after us man when he becomes Calif he never takes it back and then some of the the Shia Imam said to me that look here but that's because I Lee you know it's he didn't want to because like they gave me a few answers one was because no land is given to you you don't demand e I said look come on that sounds that isn't really mm you know that's a weak

response because truly speaking he comes to Omar asking for it demanding it so we know he was passionate about he even overcomes a bus on it so we know he was passionate about it so the other argument they gave was that I lira deal on at that time for the sake of unity but that was a weak argument as well because during a euro Delano's time he actually goes to war gained several company of the profit including the wife of the Prophet and other people so I don't think unity was it doesn't make any sense and since Frederick was so fertile it would have been an excellent resource for his army the kind of supplies and

things like this because he a little DeLong spends most of his Calif 'el rule you know the four or five years he has in civil war so he would need resources and the fact that it's so close to Medina and the Umayyads who was fighting against later on or the Huaraz were up north in damascus or iraq he could have easily taken for that but yeah he never even mentioned further he doesn't really you know and so I feel that this is a huge kind of it's a huge question mark that why did I leave this is such a big deal why did I lira deal on not take it

in his in his lifetime as a Calif and and and I feel that none of the Shia responses seem to make sense of one of the Shia kind of students of knowledge did say to me that this was a metaphor photic it was never about for that he was a metaphor about the Kaylee the the caliphate so when for tomorrow Dylan came to a worker she really came saying that he ought to be the Imam I found that a bit weak as well because one it just doesn't really sit right - if she's coming to him a worker then she's kind of acknowledging that he's the Imam and I don't know but so I wanted to really go over this and sum this up that the key

issue here I felt that for tomorrow the law on just in the argument of inheritance I felt that she was kind of right that prophet to inherit and you can't really use that as an argument that's my personal understanding however from the argument of faith the lands are an imam gains during non-combatant kind of war that i would feel doesn't doesn't become his personal property it becomes the property of the general public the welfare so I would

fall in line with that so I think that would really be the crux of this issue I did have a little theory as well and I don't mean to this is just coming from you know we were just discussing this and so this this could be completely off but I'll just share it with you I did feel that maybe because for tomorrow deal on her in her claim asks for so much the quantity is so much maybe that was overwhelming which led to an instant denial because she asks for the Tzadik art of Medina opening of the year of Hebert a father she asks for all of that

maybe I just thought I mean and this is just this is pro spec this is pure speculation but I felt maybe because it was so overwhelming and in the time of our Kurt is that this social distressed is the masala Malekith herb this you know there's all these things people bunny honey for saying we're withdrawing our resources we're not gonna pay anymore we're not gonna give the card we're not gonna give funds what do we do there's an army of osama already being dispatched where did they get the resources from and all of a sudden fatima of the law on her comes and she doesn't just ask for a particular asked for the medina resources she asked for

the haber resources for further so i felt maybe it was kind of overwhelming quantity you know from a quantitative approach and that's why maybe a worker of the law and just instantly denied it and if it hadn't been that much maybe he won't have dinner i don't this is pure speculation i don't mean to you know this is with the utmost love for all of these companions i absolutely I do love them I'm not somebody I disagree in that sense with the the Shia approach I do you know believe and I've got a video

that look all the companions I kind of love them i I do feel that they were human and the absolutely human it's not that they were kind of angels or anything and and naturally they would have had disagreements and made mistakes but but I just feel that this maybe that's what led to that each the hardy respond it's that immediate response because you see the other companions do disagree with overcurrent later on but I hope that's of some help I just want to sum that that there is no you can't resolve these issues but at least you can have some clarity on them guys I hope that's of some help let's

move on we've got the masala to get to as well I've been asked right about somebody said just to follow up on that somebody said so what he did was wrong you see I believe I'm in line with al-baqarah de la on he's thinking in terms of faith so the argument from Fay I feel a worker is right the only problem is in the hadith it doesn't mention that it mentions the argument from point of inheritance now inheritance I feel Fatima of Delano was

right so I feel that Fatima was entitled to inheritance but this land I do personally feel was fate and oh maybe most of you if not some of it maybe wasn't but most of it was the general Muslim it belonged to the general state not to a personal property it wasn't a so but the only kind of confusion is in the hadith it doesn't mention PHA it mentions me earth like the Prophet said we don't leave inheritance I so it's all muddled up so I feel they're kind of both right but from different perspectives and then I was deciding the human element of maybe that was just pure speculation that's

just me thinking you know I may be wrong so you know it's not too by the way insult and I don't want people to think that oh my god he's thinking oh worker wasn't thoughtful or something like this I do feel that you know when we're asked things that I do feel that our worker was one of the closest people to the prophet sallahu salaam to the extent that in the sahith when the Prophet is asked by a lady that look I need to settle some financial affairs and and I got to do this and I'll come back and the Prophet says he had come back and she says for inula Majid what if I come back and I don't find you and he

says I can hurt Annabel mote she intends by what if you no longer alive by the time I finished these things and come after a few years and he says fatiah rebbekkah come to Abu Bakr and I do feel that you know he has his an amazing maqam in Islam radi allahu anhum jimmy on who people let's move on with that right so is it permissible to perform what to purchase loans and by turning them into performing ones and foreclosing properties are paid by borrowers look I do feel that the whole I've got a

detailed video on interest and mortgages and I feel that these things mortgages and whatever are not Haram I've got a very lengthy video explaining it that said I'm not quite sure I fully understand this question call it but if it means kind of doing people over then I'm against that oppression and things I don't think it's fair to just kind of exploit people because they don't have money and to kind of chuck them out of their homes but if you mean just buying property and using it as business and buying more than I feel that that is permissible right so reincarnation I'd been asked yes reincarnation I don't believe in

reincarnation in that sense if that's what reincarnation means to to what it generally is understood as your soul kind of comes out and comes back to this world as another soul but I feel that the Roar is connected right so I feel that the raw is connected the aura are connected and because of that connection maybe people this consciousness being collecting the social consciousness maybe people feel as though they have been reincarnated so I feel that they you know it's the reincarnation theory

from some perspective if we're talking about Allah being connected and then ultimately connected to God then the Quran also does mention things like that but not quite in the way that like in Hinduism or Buddhism it's being mentioned so I would say that this is almost like the the story of the you know the blind men and the elephant and having to describe it and people have grasped a different you know part and then describing accordingly right so so in that sense the Arwa they are connected I feel and then ultimately they connected to God so I do feel in that sense one could think

or experi they because of this connection they think they've been here before or they've had a past life or I don't believe that they have had a past life in this dunya I believe that in this world our lives are just limited Yolo in this dunya and then we move on I do feel that what we will move on as will be more consciousness related but yeah so I hope that makes some sense what I meant Mark Lanza what I meant earlier on should we as a principle have only public funding of Elections compared to cobra bribery of politicians

that exist today to not bribe the judges yeah I I understand what you're saying mark and that is a an interesting question the issue will be I think there should be some regulation I think it's fair to say that people can kind of invest but then you're right I mean people with more money than get to tip the elections because they've got more funding but then at the same time if you control it then you're kind of not allowing people to exercise their liberties it's a really tough one really but I do agree that you know you get multi the multi millionaire and billionaire corporations are gonna fund

people that support the elite and then they're gonna get more funding and then they can advertise more and do stuff and and we've all watched that you know the Netflix kind of documentary on it which was really scary by the way somebody asked what my thoughts on Amir Maharaja lon I do I see cinema are eroding ron has a great figure in Islam I do highly respect him I understand that he they they had disagreements amongst the Companions I actually kind of like the the statesmanship of mahalia's he was incredibly astute and really knew how

you know some people are cut out to rule and I would feel that Mario was one of those people that was cut out you know he's cut from that cloth like he knew how to rule and you can't deny that I mean in his 40 years of rulership he never within sham had an uprising against him like that's just amazing isn't it and I quoted the story once where he went past this he was going past this place and this lady was complaining and she's saying oh and she used to be really pro eilean auntie Maria and he said that I've heard your crops or whatever and she said she was complaining that she didn't have the

crops and things like this and he said so you want me to would you like me to assist you from the state fund to give you some and she said yeah okay and he said okay I'll give you and then he said to her he said you know if if it was ally he wouldn't give you because he would say no you know there's a certain system and I'm not gonna give you and and she says yeah that's because he's more just wow he just laughs you know you gotta love it though he kind of

laughs and he says to the guy he says give her the crops and I just love that narration like the way I don't know it's it's it's amazing right people