Hypocrisy of scholars regarding awrah of free women & slave women | Mufti Abu Layth

why is the aura of an amma the same as a man isn't that conflicting with the emphasis uh the role of hijab for women three women have to cover up while slave girls are allowed to uh uh walk around with no shirt on now that's the place where all the football all the scholars need to hang out [Laughter] they're like we're just holding a darcia

and you got all these slave girls prancing about topless what a life those people lived religion huh you know this this topic of slave girls is a really fascinating one from many aspects obviously all the guys now are just absolutely tuned in they like they're like what's wrong with you this is islam

it's islam we're learning god damn it [Laughter] see the topic of slave girls is uh it's it's so kind of revealing in many ways revealing as a freudian slip [Laughter] it's so telling in many ways that um most the scholars not all most the scholars the way they dealt with the topic of the slave girl right it's it's so strange because

they just kind of just all went like they just legitimized everything and nobody had a problem with it it's just like yeah and and and and the other guy is like of course that's common sense and the other shirt is like duh of course it's common sense it's not only common sense it's islamic and the next mahdi said duh i even think i remember a hadith about it

this is this is but it's so amazing because look when it comes to it when when you think about it when it comes to it the crux is when it comes to the crux of the mata it was simply really if we're going to be honest it was just it was an issue of pragmatism realism and just i suppose sex so which is as real as it gets so they just said fine what's the problem let's get on with it

forget all the the moral high grounds the ethics the religiosity they just said don't worry we'll make everything fit and they did and it's what's amazing is that they actually pulled it off they actually pulled it out and i'm not trying to right now justify i'm not trying to pass any judgment on it i'm just observing what's happened that the scholars of the past they just

they managed to pull it off like they just said well here comes because if you think about it now you would think like let's let's pause for a moment imagine we go back to that ontology of religion the religion which you know thinks desires are bad and the with the capital r and he thinks uh you know it looks down on sexual practices and and it thinks entertainment is bad and it thinks like material and as an ascetic that ontology of religion the essence of religion to many people uh if you go back to that you would think that they would never be able to pull this

off you know this issue of the slave girl you think that with that mindset like with music for example you could tell that they weren't clearly motivated enough to legitimize music like i suppose some of them listen to it and others didn't music wasn't the kind of the way music is today because music today is a huge thing for many people in their day-to-day lives but in the past it wasn't um as big of a thing i mean it was good for people but it wasn't this what it is today that's what i'm saying so they didn't really they weren't as

motivated to legitimize music some of them did like ibn hasam and a few other all of my legitimized music said look it's not haram but when it came to things like slave girls they just all got in line just organized themselves and just worked and everybody just accepted it like they just said yeah and and they even gave it a religious veneer that oh what we're doing this is actually a good religious act and it's amazing that they actually pulled it off

i gotta salute them seriously that is such a difficult task to pull off if you think about like look think about it today most muslim cultures accept polygamy they accept that polygamy is islamically valid most muslim cultures accept that they don't practice it though look how hard it would be to pull off polygamy even though most muslim cultures accept that it's permissible you know islam allows it and yet most even imams and all these people can't pull it off

and when they do try to look at hasanat he tried to pull it off with his with um abdullah and his his other what was it sister sarah sister what a disco i mean how can you i don't know how people can call the i don't know how you could call any woman sister that isn't your actual sister but chella that's a different discussion but calling your wife sister that's a nutty game going on there but uh so people can't pull off polygamy and in the past they managed to pull off slave girls and they did it not only confidently

but they said it's a religious act and they do it loud and proud and that ladies and gentlemen is the power of religion [Laughter] so yeah i mean and the thing that they said about so the question that was being but i always think that one of the fascinating things about slave girls is as well is that the discussion of modesty goes completely out the window so all of a sudden these scholars don't seem to care about you know that a woman must be covered up and she must

be a ninja and she must be like this and owning her eyes and even her eyes are a fitnah you know some humbly fatwa said just cover one eye one eye is enough to see the world of god damn it so you got some bicharia i'm like trying to be religious and they're just looking at things like a pirate [Laughter] but this is the unfortunate to that extent people went that oh my god you know women oh you know you can't look at women you can't do this oh my god are you looking at my women god god don't look at them

but yet when it came to slave girls everything went out the window so there was no discussion of covering them up in fact they could walk they could technically walk around topless i don't i don't think they definitely they did walk around i don't think they did i think that's an exaggeration because men are men you know and the most the biggest bs is people say in the books oh yeah but it's okay she's a slave girl who who would desire her and you're thinking and every every guy reading the book is like yeah

who a desire that's the biggest black are you mad of course they would desire them why wouldn't they desire that men are hardwired that way they they cannot think differently okay it's impossible for men to think differently so much from millions of years evolution

[Laughter] how are we gonna get the break so suddenly it's not gonna think about it it doesn't work like that the the mail especially on visual perception this not too much you know this one too much so you can see that that definitely wasn't true and they seemed to say yeah the girl i think generally they didn't walk walk around couples and things but i think they didn't uh they probably walked around in kind of working clothes gear so for example they

they probably their arms were uncovered maybe the lower part of their legs were uncovered like working attire so if you're working cleaning things doing all that kind of stuff and obviously with that cleavage would have been showing so they won't have walked around with a kind of because you gotta remember in the past they just had like a like a hole to stick your head in don't take that out of context right out in the cloth and they would have just obviously had a veil to put around here like a dupatta kind of thing so these women that were working wouldn't have been wearing the birthday and doing things like that wearing headscarves and veils

so they would just be working so that kind of stuff would be showing now so hence they the scholar said yeah it's fine it's fine and for some reason the absolute no-no was the navel to the knee and you think kneecaps i don't know what kind of sick games those scholars why is the the kneecap a no-no [Laughter] [Music] so the scholars were like yeah you can see their breasts but kneecaps

have some fear of god why would you see their kneecap full it's like what kneecap but the kneecap is apparently the part of the aura that they're not meant to be uncovering and according to some i know there's the isthalav but anyway it's always a fruitful discussion bringing in the the ima and the slave girls and it's something which i think today a lot of people are then stuck in trying to explain right let