Alone or Lonely? | Meaning With MALM #16

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so what i want to take a look at today or solitude you decide quranic guidance and i want to share in light that first of all when i'm saying loneliness or solitude why because i feel and i'll share some of the thoughts on that in a moment and the details but this you see we are living in a paradox we are in a paradox people

in an increasingly more connected world we are ironically becoming more isolated and i want to talk about that because people are finding themselves more and more on their own and and more people are finding themselves young people especially are finding themselves lonely and report to be much lonelier than let's say a generation before them when they were their age and that's quite paradoxical

given the unlimited ways and methods we have to remain connected with one another but i wanna in a moment share some words about that because you see it's not the phenomenon it's the meaning that we associate to it that dictates our experience and following on from that i thought you know what let's share there's a perfect story that comes in about a legend actually many legends shall we say um in that story but this is centered around siboway the dawn of the arabic

language and how he how he suffers is this sense of this hash this washer this kind of loneliness deserted um sense and i thought that would be interesting to share and of course i'll give out the link a little later on let you amazing lovely and beautiful people jump on and and have your uh share your thoughts and questions and whatever it is you want to share so all right what are we

how come our lives this day and age are full of paradoxes and ironies exactly are you i'm 100 with that and that's something i want to um yeah speak about omar rahman we love you at the rahman household you see a person is a vessel of what they carry within them and in arabic as it says

people beam and emanate what they have within them so may allah keep you always blessed smiling and in a state of love i mean right so salaam from australia sami you're doing it you're doing it right so what is the purpose of this guy's life or life i don't know let's see right so what is your position on us

look at this going straight into creed creed what is jahangir ahmed is really concerned with creedal matas esmo importante claro but the problem remains speaking of paradoxes there are paradoxes all around us you see what are my thoughts on asma siva the

i find it amusing that as humans we feel that we can capture god within words allah is above words he cannot be captured or captivated or truly his magnificence and his glory is far above and too transcendent to be limited within consonants and syllables this is the problem

that the day you realize this allah your connection with god will change they have not truly estimated god as allah says in the quran i would say leave your limitations

of these letters in an alphabet and connect yourself to the divine in a true sincere and loving manner you will find him him here is just the pronoun once again very limiting [Laughter] explains the problem so that's my my advice to my thoughts on these topics

yeah gold globe chakra and much love for the super chat dearly appreciate it uh right so all right agnostic atheist

come on i love it you see you know that's the that's like the the the shark element you see what people don't appreciate what these poets are doing they are presenting a paradox okay and the paradox is where they are dealing with a topic which encounters profanity

they are dealing not just with any topic they are dealing with the sacred and juxtaposing it with the profane and then what they do is they turn volta that's the and with this turn it shockingly it's it creates a kind of existential tremor so you see hamburger as johnny says

and you see the the he's juxtaposed the profane with the sacred the transcendental and then he turns to come on bringing from the the manifestation of one ayah that that in sun is so you know look at him he gives parables onto us god says forgetting him or herself what are they cheesy

you know yet they speak on to us in such ways that bringing that parable bringing you know that the verse that a parallel from the verse when allah says you know short was determination was that willpower he had all the ingredients just fell short

bringing that paradox but then also the the the concept of that i am creating that which allah says that that you have no knowledge of in nia that this insane bodhichi is you know it's something he's a universe raveled within himself there's a a poem attributed to an amazing or definitely from an experiential perspective one of

my absolute favorites which says that you claim you are this this small minuscule this this you know insignificant entity yet within you is the entire or the greater world trapped and so yeah and i feel that this is what the poets do and a lot of people they they catch the experience but they fall short of explaining it and they think

the poet is sometimes trying to be profane or trying to be uh to to desecrate taboos and uh the sacred but that's not what they i mean i don't believe that's what they're trying to do i believe they are creating a paradox and you experience it and that's why they call it from because is less about the words and it is more about the experience

and that's that's um yeah something to think about right so where are we at i see sarasota mufti what are your views on mark zuckerberg's idea of creating the metaverse should we embrace it or do you think it will isolate us further i see saracen shukran for this question because i really wanted to discuss this on today's episode and i think i'd actually forgotten and remember as the verse of the quran

says and remind one another it helps those of belief allah so now right so mark zuckerberg has announced the the project of the metaverse and some tiny echoes and reflections are visible so now when you load up whatsapp you can see it with the metaverse logo and and there's plenty you can see mark zuckerberg's interviews or he's

he's got a presentation on youtube explaining in his words and giving some glimpses into what this metaverse will look like surely i mean to what extent will it be able to live out all of those dynamics is a question a serious question for i'm sure engineers software engineers and and you know design creators and all the and all the the kind of experts but it also gives rise to to many other questions which i'm more interested in but briefly just to in case

so the metaverse is briefly put it's an attempt to turn social media from 2d into 3d and that doesn't just mean the holographic or the augmented reality perspective so we're not just talking about you know wearing obviously this is part of it but it's not just about virtual reality and i think this is what some people have have confused or

maybe i don't know conflated because there's a lot of um criticism towards mark zuckerberg on these and some people are trying to say well you know what's so special about this metaverse these metaverses are already in existence and there's some top ones and they especially in an an example of them is like fortnite but you see i think they're missing the point of what mark zuckerberg is trying to i don't embark upon he's trying to take this to the next level

and i can say that you know ladies and gentlemen it is beginning to happen allah we are now beginning to and soon to experience even whether we want to be a part of it or not the illusory world taking it several notches or exponentially higher that it will now start to supersede our actual reality

by far so what he's what he's suggesting is apart from just social media like i'm chatting to my friends i'm catching up on news feed i'm catching up on you know people's what they're doing you create these rooms virtual rooms these are for work so you can because what we have to accept that post pandemic the world atmosphere has changed so many people many companies have now realized actually why are we using all these office spaces i mean that's fine but we're just going to have many people

working from home this working from home is now a thing to stay so you could create an augmented reality or a virtual reality where you are all in the office working but whilst in that space it is a shared space you could play music you could talk to one another you could see each other's avatars you could um you could break off into different rooms you could go create your own space which is which replicates your actual places of living so i could create a room just like the room i'm in now but

it's a virtual room and in that room i get people to come hang out with me and and we do from there we could go we could say i tell you what let's go to the great wall of china um we go to the great wall of china we say i tell you what let's go to you know the pyramids of giza let's go to the eiffel tower let's go to milan let's go to tokyo let's go to wherever you want to go you just turn up and you have this sense of reality you could do things like play games in the actual and you could move the games

around you could and what they're trying to do is and there's obviously a lot of challenges is to create an actual uh dynamism where for example you high-five someone you feel you actually feel it that you can and this is now the emergence of or at least the plan for a an entire world to emerge which is immersive so those people saying well mark zuckerberg has you know he's already lost the race to the metaverse because the metaverse already exists in games

that's true par i mean that's it's it's you know it's a yes and no reply that yes it does exist in that sense for gamers but it doesn't exist in this way that it doesn't exist for all people who don't game and it doesn't exist in the way that you create these break off rooms and just lounge that you just chill or you work or you have these board meetings you know let's have a board meeting all right guys we're having a board meeting we're setting it up in shanghai right here we are this is now the work board meeting we're having an agm we're

hosting it over there we're doing in people may do their parties on these things there will be currency on these um i mean it's the world is it is actually becoming that like they're making it 3d the virtual world like really 3d like taking don't just mean optically it's not just optics it's the concept behind it i think it's immensely powerful it's uh in a way it's scary and i think it ties in very deeply to to tonight's topic of alone or lonely

because i think in many ways it's going to connect us uh with many more people but it's going to create these this deeper state of solitude and loneliness um because you can imagine because on these things you can be who you want to be people can change their genders they can change their their skin tone they can change obviously they're not advertising it like this but this you can do it they say you can express yourself however you want you can you know somebody's not happy with the way their body looks for example their body shape

you know they're overweight let's say but in this they happen to be totally ripped and people see them like this and they create a persona you see ties in much with how young speaks about the personas because the persona is deeply tied and connected to the shadow this element of our struggle with the nerves so we we're going to have people that are living these lives like in rooms replicating their own rooms in in homes replicating their homes having

gatherings with their friends but augmented augmented and kind of maybe not totally super but enhanced versions of themselves prettier versions of themselves more attractive more beautiful more talented more how they see themselves on the inside now this is going to create a a chasm between that world and when they take this off and now they have to walk to the shop and they don't like who they are you see this is

so it's scary in the deep psychological challenges and problems this is going to portray i don't know how people are going to really get around that and it's going to create i think a tsunami it's going to catalyze a tsunami of identity

puzzles conundrums and problems coming especially towards younger people so yeah but at the same time this is inevitable it's inevitable i knew everybody knew this was going to happen and we are now witnessing it in the making it hasn't yet been launched but maybe five years from today this is how we'll be doing this meaning with mal you know i'm there people are there sitting in a virtual hall or an auditorium or

the world is changing people so we've got it's scary times we've we don't know what's um but i think it's also important i don't think there's any point in trying to say should we not be a part of it i don't think we'll have a choice i think we may be less a part of it i mean think about facebook i'm i'm not that active on facebook i'm not that active on social media but i mean i am but i'm at the same time i'm probably more definitely more involved in my real

life than i am on social media but but it's already happening at a 2d level people are already submerged in social media more than the real life people they order clothes only to wear them take photographs send them back people there's a really powerful clip on youtube somebody made it about social media that with somebody where people they wake up and they do things but just for the gram they just they you know put on their jogging trainers and they they put on their track suit and just take a i don't know a photograph of the you know feet putting them on just say caption going for a jog and then they just take them off and go back

to sleep somebody putting a breakfast together a really healthy one taking a photograph saying that oh you know breaky time but then just throwing it away and either not eating or just eating other things and see people their lives and then the likes drive them it's the dopamine see this is it the dopamine the devil is in the detail people allah seriously and i but i don't think we can avoid it and even if we avoid it people younger

than us won't be able to so yeah and you know in many ways it's like i said once before when i was asked that you know what do i think of the these uh narrations mentioning that the gel and i'm not saying this in a um kind of doom gloom way but i said even then that obviously i i'm with those scholars it is a difference of opinion how authentic these narrations are and even though many do accept them there's some that have said these are not authentic and um and i find more resonance with that but i said that if they be true

then in my understanding it would be referring to a time would come when humanity will find it almost impossible to distinguish the virtual from the real and that is the great illusion the great deception and that is in that sense that on this um because the form in arabic is something that is excessively so and because to cover up and people would cover up the arabs would cover up with mud they would cover

up certain things they would cover up even the camels if they got uh they they were they had a jarep they had this this kind of um this illness this disease that afflicted certain camels and you could see it on their skin and they would cover it up with this kind of sand and mud so people couldn't tell and this was the kind of the gel and from here excessively deceiving sense of reality and it is scary it is scary i have to say i i am frightful

for people that are very young i'm frightful for my own children and the world that their children will live in honestly sometimes i think to myself you know what i'm i'm just glad that like i i i'd be terrified to be young now and i don't mean by young like i'm obviously i don't mean to minus my strength or to minus my that i appreciate and that i love the obviously life and it's it's vega it's kind of strength it's everything

but to be young right now i just i find the thought of it kind of so daunting not i mean not in a it's just because it's just so much i and and i you know when i think about i'm somebody that's born and you know raised here in the uk it's not like this is you know strange to us it's not like we weren't familiar with these things they were you know the the earlier computers when we were growing up when i was a kid they were the spectrums and the ataris and the we used to have an uh amstrad cpc-464 those

of you that remember that with the screen and the and you had to put the cassettes in and then obviously the super nintendos and but it's the world has changed and i find it daunting i'm not saying i find it it's horror it's not horror but it's just daunting and it's tiresome to even contemplate and you just think god i don't think i could go through that yeah so what is going on people zubair much love right

right you are searching the world for treasure but the real treasure is yourself i have a quote uh i have that on today's quote actually see it shows how the hearts are connected i appreciate it shukran uh sha allah gonna start memorizing the quran is it the 15 line must have that's called must have i'm not sure you know generally the must have um what's popular around the world is the

standard i don't know the it's this print which is usually like the the saudi print and it's all let me just 15 i think i counted so this is the standard must-have which i do advise if you're memorizing the quran to use that but it's up to you generally all muslims throughout the world generally use that template so that means that the page that begins with this verse will begin with that verse everywhere in

the world using that standard model of the quran there is a different model in print which is the indo-pak model and so like in pakistan they have a different um template of the layout of the quran so when i open let's say page let's say i open any page on that and i look at the the left hand page top verse it if i go to that same in that muscle it will be a different verse it's not so it's organized i think they have 14 or they have a different number of lines so it affects the layout

and if you're memorizing the quran it's it's very important to have that uh continuity that wherever you pick up a must-have must-have just means the quran the recent quran in arabic is called a must-have and wherever you pick up a must-have there is continuity so it corroborates your learning that's important so that's all i'd say otherwise it's entirely up to you when i was when i did my hif in i did it in pakistan but i insisted i took my own must-have and it wasn't this one i took a different one and i would just

memorize with that always i would make a point that i i would not read from the other prints because i didn't want to confuse myself when i was memorizing because sometimes even till today i'll remember a verse and i just remember where it was like i'll remember that oh that was on the left hand page at the top see because we memorize things spatially and in connection to their surroundings so it's important not to disturb that

uh yep so shukran and may allah bless your journey you know memorizing is incredibly powerful and what it does beloved is below it what it does is that it increases your capacity to memorize like the more you memorize the better you get at memorizing it's not um don't think you it's not like something you exhaust it's like you you you kind of sharpen and hone those skills they just become improved you just get much better and the quran is something

amazing to um to to memorize it is it's incredibly powerful i would say if you can i don't know if you can um if you can um if if you can learn some arabic prior to doing so that would be definitely very um that would be that that would be great it really has helped me till today that i mean the the fact that i did some arabic

i mean i learned my basic arabic which to be honest you could learn in six months to a year easily easily you could just use dr sorti's book i always recommend it you know it may come across to some people a bit on the dry side i i don't think so i think it was fantastic obviously like anything there's room for improvements but it you know you could get through it i got through it on my own and you could do that in four to six months and then another six months just practice and then you memorize the quran and what it will do is it will consolidate your arab week and your arabic making meaning of the quran will make that memorizing so much more precious

because you're actually understanding what you're memorizing it's so powerful honestly it's one of the is one of the best things i ever did in my life absolutely and and i'm you know i'm not saying people have to do that but if you choose to do it do it you know you know but as as it's been said that wherever you go go with all your heart allah right now assalamu alaikum did you change the

video setup ah is it different there were one two things i slightly changed i don't know is it is it worse if there's issues let me know and i can try and i don't know if i can fix them right now but maybe for next week you know me i'm always fidgeting with things yeah so do in it all right clear sugar and sugar and

boys and girls just tuned in what is musty talking about today different topics i'll be talking about shortly about the topic of uh loneliness we're just taking a look at some of your comments and questions before i get on to that uh it's good on facebook um no it's fine oh shukran chicken dr it's not dr salty dr surti so s-u-r-t-y um i absolutely i i can't recommend his book enough seriously he's an amazing individual by

the way you know may allah bless him very humble very he used to lecture at birmingham university many years ago i'm pretty sure he's retired by now and very humble you know and yeah how long did you take you to learn arabic your fausta is better than allah allah

ah she embarrassing me so this my arabic i studied dr sulti's book and i finished it in about four months i studied it on my own and i must have been about 17 years old and yeah and i just do about half an hour every single day i'll caveat that by saying okay i didn't have much of a life and i didn't and that became the highlight of my day so i used to i did used to work see some of us went through the tough

life we didn't get it easy like the youngins today so um i would wake up and after subber i would sit down and i would do my arabic which was like about half an hour every day and then i'll get ready and go to work i used to work at the time and then just to work in a brokerage insurance brokerage but the and so i used to really look forward to the arabic every day and i used to even at work sometimes i'd be going over it in my mind and rewriting it on these post-it notes and just yeah and

i i must have finished that book in four months i then contacted dr suthi i remember telling him um that if i could get some kind of test and certificate and he was very kind and he this is years ago this is going like i don't know 1997 or something and i then after that started doing a few things in arabic i attended some but you know i must say within that first six months to whatever it was i laid the foundations for arabic i did then go on to damask to study in damascus and

that was obviously great but i realized when i was in damascus my foundations for the arabic language were already laid i just needed practice and i needed to improve and i needed more vocab but i understood things in terms of grammar i understood why people are saying certain things i i may be like oh okay you use that word and not this word i get it now but i wasn't i wasn't having to learn i was just having to increase the vocab and the immersive experience was really necessary and i really appreciated that

and i um see i can be very talkative and that helps in learning a language and so i i remember i ended up living with some guys that were um [Music] one of them was from tunis and one was from algeria and great people i wonder what came of them in time but they they for some reason their first heart was really good and one of them who hadn't really had got much secular education or religious

education but his first house was just incredible i think he just watched so many cartoons growing up and he was a bit of a vampire he used to stay awake at night and i had this vampiric habit for since god knows i'm very nocturnal i'm awake at night and proper alert like an owl yeah so and me and him would just talk and we'll just talk and talk and talk and sometimes would debate and sometimes because he was a bit selfie inclined and but he wasn't this kind of hateful person he was very you know he's still there was a lot of compassion and

love still from him and and we we would just talk about stuff sometimes we'd all debate sometimes we just you know sometimes we'd read i remember i used to go through that storybook kalila withimna and it's such an epic book for anybody wanting to study arabic and we would go through without asking could you could you read this with me and because the arabic in is so eloquent and yeah and i still have these memories like they were you know like maybe they were just like a year ago or something that's how vivid they are in my mind and we would sit up at night just me and him and we'd just be we'd be laughing sometimes and the jokes and

and that really propelled you know my arabic but so yeah that's definitely is get talking people get talking i need to do the same thing with my spanish i need to just be talking because i'm at that stage where i it's like i understand things and if i read them and if i i can then say them but i have to kind of to say to say things i have to think because i don't speak it so i don't practice it so my uh kind of uh conversations in it are the the and sometimes i'll think oh

which word do we use for that and then when i hear it i'll be like oh yeah of course all right uh nora shukra and shook him much appreciated for the super chat this one foundation course yet that's the one by dr sulti i think there may be some pdfs online other people do courses as well i've heard great things by what um um with the stars courses arabic courses you know um i've heard people say wonderful

things that it's really incredibly boosted their learning so yeah dude look try out different things the main thing is just try please reply stay home stay home i'm from bangladesh i'm a man 30 years old i feel extremely lonely i want to get married what can i do get married yeah winter baby winter baby yeah wait a minute a winter baby is nocturnal is this why is that why you're saying that clear or is this for something else is that a thing that winter

baby yeah because i'm born in january so ah okay i don't that's interesting if it be true right so let's take a look fahad much love fahad shukran shukran um abu yeshua i was pointing out that a normal person will figure out that schrodinger's equation aren't equal to banana so just like that i know it's not islam i don't know what you're saying but

you've mentioned schrodinger and his equation so yeah more power to you [Laughter] ah my daughter is a january baby yep see ah yes so clear saying that's what it seems to be and clear with her wisdom i accept that yeah there is something you know it's interesting you know people say about uh these star signs and they say about people and and i and i think the the general prediction is is it's just you know barnum statements they're not true and where people just say oh you know they

predict stuff just based on your star sign but what i do find interesting is the personality traits that they give they seem to sometimes be above probability i do find that interesting like capricorn and sometimes when i've heard hmm and i found it like quite you know amusing that hmm just seems above probability the and when you when you see that in people so it's it's interesting maybe you know people born at a certain time of the year they do effects because that's how they

yeah maybe there's so many things in this cosmos that we just don't understand but i'm totally against the um you know the kind of horoscopes because this you see all it does is it breeds superstition and this is really what the shirk concept was all about just freeing people from being enslaved mentally to irrational um kind of monocles so yeah i make so people shouldn't really be

paying attention to so that's my advice people do what they want but my advice is don't the horoscopes and things i don't don't don't pay attention to stuff like that and avoid it but i do find the personality types associated with the zodiac signs to be you know interestingly aligned more so above probability and i think wow that's definitely interesting

no i don't believe in star signs of course not but i do find like i'm just saying like you see sometimes um like a lot of people and this could just be something it could be something to do with the temperaments of the year it could be to do with exactly these things could be to do with that like you find other things like you know your handedness is often can be a a determining factor in life that's crazy isn't it when you think about it like left-handed people they are

consistently a 10 regardless of us the world removing this kind of oh it's bad to be left-handed you know previously there was this um this dexterity but i mean left-handed being but they there was this sinister so you know the exterior that was more with the right hand the sinister associated with the left hand but now the world has stopped that now they welcome you if you pick up the the pen with the left hand they're not going to say put it down that's the devil but yet 10 you know the 10 percenters of the

world it's consistent left-handed people still remain at a 10 level yet they are at times 50 if not over 50 percent of you know high kind of or significant people that i find that always very shocking and that that's like a um yeah it's interesting and and it's not necessarily inherited because i'm left-handed i'm ambidextrous i can use both hands but i'm left-handed primarily and my parents well i don't know my mother doesn't write

but i'm assuming my parents are both right-handed they're both right-handed as far as i know and everybody else in my family is all right-handed so it's not inherited and it's not doesn't depend on your parents being that although i think if your parent is left-handed you have a greater chance of being left-handed i think but it's still unpredictable but i find that amazing though isn't it because it correlates with the opposite side of your brain so you know so right-handed people it's there's more of a pressure or in you know they're more dominant on the left

side of the brain and left-handed people are more dominant on the right you know side of the brain and even though the brain is obviously interconnected the hemispheres but still there's a dominance and yeah and i actually do think that you know when i was 18 i learned to write with my when i was about 17 18 with my right hand and i think that maybe changed certain mechanisms in my brain this is why i say to people that you should learn to write with your left hand as well i know you'll look totally [Laughter]

you'll look like you can apply for a disability with the writing but it'll get better and i actually learned because i went to i used to take arabic lessons like when i mentioned when i was memorizing when i was learning arabic and i remember going to one of my teachers home iqbal a great great phenomenal scholar anybody who wants to learn maliki fig should get in touch with him by the way muhammad iqbal lives in birmingham in the uk teaches online as well i'm pretty sure but he's a very private person so phenomenal one of the most i would say in the english-speaking world one of the

most learned people especially on maliki fifth now i would go to his house um he i remember writing and he said to me he said why do you he said oh you're right with your left hand and i said yeah and he said why don't you write with your right hand and you know in hindsight although it seems like such a you know a silly question you know one could say that question just seems like now if somebody said that to me i'll just burst out laughing because i think what a dumb question

but you know what sometimes i tell you it is so some of the greatest achievements in life have been done based on ignorance because being ignorant of the facts is what gives people courage to do things on many occasions i'm not saying everything so like now when he said that to me i didn't know you know left-handed people use the right hand right side of the brain and the right-hand view and this is biological and this is uh i just knew i was left-handed and he said to me why don't you use your right hand and i said huh

what and he goes why not i said okay and i just from that day i just went home and i just kept trying to write with my right hand obviously for at least a few months it looked like some it looked like a three-year-old had managed to get a pen that was reminiscent of i was about to say that the movie my left foot those of you that are old enough to remember that but the it was absolutely distorted and it looked like you know some child does not write but then it started to improve and

start to improve and and then it just got you know in arabic still my see in english i didn't write as much in english with my right hand so i can still write it but it's not as good as my left hand but arabic my right hand is as good like you wouldn't generally like even if i write english actually you wouldn't be able to tell but i could tell that hmm so okay people there you go so this is what i say to people explore you know if you've got time on your hands learn how to write with the other hand you never know what you may unlock on the other side of the brain because you're going to force your brain to

create new neural networks and this you know the neural circle tree has to kind of explode so you never know it may change other aspects of your life qualitatively um do you think the industrial meat is halal sugar and sami for the um super chat much love the virus from three idiots was both handed was he all right epic movie by the way epic movie left-handed people shukran shukran what can we say do you think the prophet's preference to

use the right or left for basic actions as something to do the development of cognitive ability in the brain that's a very good question um very good question raheem do the left-handed folks tend to be more creative once than the majority i don't know if we are more creative but i just know it's i don't know it's um because then sometimes i see i do know one or two left-handed people that won't be as because some people think oh if you're left-handed languages are easier

for you but then i know some people and learning languages ain't as easy for them they're left-handed and so but uh the question right moving to do i think industrial meat is halal i think there's a distinction between i think there's a distinction

my left foot is a beaut yeah it's a very emotional movie incredibly emotional i was just saying that as a joke that that's what my writing would end up like but but it's actually a very powerful movie you watched it when i was a kid industrial meat is it halal look there's a distinction between something being halal as in is it permissible to eat and something being good so i agree that industrial meat or the kind of battery farms that you know that exist have cruel conditions

and they're not good or healthy and i am too i'm guilty of eating that kind of meat you know where you think oh i know i'll have a burger today you know and you you get it but you're not come on that burger is not going to really be from something healthy it's going to be this battery kind of farm meat and that's going to be just just kind of like pumped up with steroids and and just plumped and and it's it's kind of um it's it's hyper uh produced

so what would take a normal hen let's say or a chicken to to grow would take like nine months it would do this in several weeks you know that's this non-stop feeding they just put the lights on and the chickens bloody they just keep eating chickens are like you know they got like the chicken brain which is just purely about instant gratification which humans are as well to a great extent but and they just keep eating keep eating keep eating and they just put the lights on don't let them sleep and they just eat eat eat eat and they just plump them up and they become you see they haven't

even developed the muscles so many of them collapse under their own weight they can't even carry their own weight that's how fat the chicken becomes but it's not about the fatness see the same size of a natural organic chicken could still carry its weight it's because it would develop with time where it moves around and has strength but the chicken just eats eats eats eats eats eats it's it's on a roll it's just non-stop eats and it's just fat as hell and then they just weigh it off it goes and just chop it and now you can imagine it's not going to be healthy and we i'm guilty of that as well

um i need to do something about that i do think you know i do i do think about organic but hopefully if there's more um availability because sometimes it comes down to that ease you know you just think ah well you know i'll just get a burger from here get this from there and i suppose maybe we'll embark on an age soon where we can get synthetic meat which is healthy but not minus older and it's you know it's there you go it's not even meat so we're not killing the animals i mean maybe we'll reach that time in

our lifetime alam all right so so there is a distinction just to be clear between something being halal and something being good as allah says in the quran just finish watching the andalus series best one on youtube something i hope you can do something similar with the abba sids one day inshallah i was thinking at some point i will um i would re-do that in a more you know up-to-date version and then start some historic

things in sha allah inshallah um do i miss a super chat i got that one mufti the prophet said heaven under mother's feet but some of us men grew up with controlling narcissistic mothers this has caused mummy issues yeah okay yeah i mean you see there is a

this is a difficult one because and i hope to insha allah do an entire episode on uh parental questions and permutations in one of the coming shows inshallah right so but it is difficult because many people grew up with very you know with tough love shall we say if love even it can be fitted into that equation and they're very tough childhood

and it's difficult because you know your childhood shapes your future life unless you um intervene therapeutically and it will require a deep sense of you know further psycho development on this kind of psychodramatic therapy and you know bringing reliving those moments abreaction what they call in psychology and and you'd have to go through this therapeutically and kind of

heal those wounds to truly be healed and to kind of just beam your essence how it's meant to be and to kind of individuate as they might say or to to actualize to reach a higher potential so and the truth is most people can't do that in life they're not that life just gets in the way and then they bury it which may work as well and then let's hope many people it's not been as tragic because for some people their childhood is more tragic than others

on the bright side the news is it can be healed you can heal it i definitely had a very tough childhood very incredibly tough and i would say that it had a so it's you know it really had so many bearings on my development as you know in terms of my persona but i i would say i was very fortunate to have apprehended that and to have therapized and to have treated and healed

if not all definitely you know for the most part also but i get that most people won't be able to so it's it's difficult but what i would say that that now brings you face to face with the question that but you know what about the parents and the relationship because you have all these memories that are hurtful and what i'm going to say is and we will dedicate an episode to this in more detail and dealing with other splinter questions but i would say look just let it go

let it go you know that that song what is it the is it the elsa song or let it go and layla was about four she used to always have that played and just let it go you will find in it your own healing i can tell you that you see many of those people those parents who have been incredibly difficult they don't remember it i guarantee you they don't recall it and in fact ironically they recall things very differently in their memory and you know what this isn't about who's

right or wrong some things in life are just worth letting go it's okay you made it thus far and you didn't make it this far to only come here so you can keep going but jettison lose the baggage it's only slowing you down and you know just let it forgive as difficult as that may seem that's what i would say and sometimes it's not diffic sometimes it's

it's not easy to build those bridges but i would say in this episode being brief on this topic if possible do so at some level if you can't then at least try and lose the baggage and and the resentment and you know just just be that's what i would say may allah make things easy for you it definitely it is a it is a sad state of affairs i've seen especially in the uk a lot of i've seen it especially with the pakistanis but i think it's with

the asians generally so even the the indian the uh the bangladeshi i i'm assuming it's kind of across all of these that the upbringing is quite um it's quite ruthless and i don't know why really because you know the ironies many of those parents had actually quite a decent upbringing [Laughter] so something obviously it was the climate but we'll talk about that uh another time but yeah that's my thoughts that just you know just try and aim for higher

uh the higher ground in sha allah right let's take a look at let's have a question i mean always a pleasure to to have you on the show allah somebody always beaming happiness and always smiling whenever you see him right was the prophet live and let live yeah definitely you know it doesn't what i found in in life you know this is let me

take let me share something with you that even when justified even when justified i found that carrying the burden of past it always weighs down on you you pay a toll even when justified

meaning somebody is clearly wrong to you yet so you you're justified to to to hate that person or to do something but it it you pay a toll still nothing goes free so i would say as difficult as it is seek inspiration like in the verses of the quran where allah says and we've covered this in a previous um lesson as well about you know unforgive and those who who forgive

you know allah will recompense them with something unfathomably amazing that that's the and it's difficult but i think just do it seriously on that note i'd like to actually say a few words right you know last week i was speaking on i suppose wrongness i i can't remember what i was looking at and maybe some i think was it a video somebody sent me or was it on a

newsfeed and dawa man so yeah so a little message for that one you know i i saw i can't remember what it was now it was last week i think it may have just been a picture of something and i was at the gym and you know when you get distracted and you're looking at the you start looking at your messages you start looking at your social media and i was distracted and you know you know the pre-workout is in and the pre-workout some of these oh my god

they make you proper emotional as well so you get into the zone and i was going through these things and i saw something and it just triggered my thoughts about dhawa man and i thought to myself you know what i feel that i feel in my way i wronged because i i thought about it and i thought you know what i disagree with him obviously polarized world views and i'm sure he disagrees massively as you can imagine with me but i felt

you know what i had a principle that usually i used to only criticize people who'd publicly criticized me generally for the most part i mean that's and i i think that's for the most part i generally stood by that as as far as i can recall but there was dawa man who i i thought you know i did really um you know did pick on him on many occasions and to be fair he never publicly

ever said anything about me so yeah and i just felt you know in my heart i just felt yeah i wronged him you know honestly i and i and i had this kind of sense of emotion overcome me it was strange because i thought to myself you know i think i've only met him once we were years ago we were at a charity conference it must have been 2014 or something and he he was he was popular but not as popular as he became so he had a shorter beard

and i'd never i had no idea who he was and somebody said to me he's somebody who used to rap or do these kind of things and he's become practicing and the young people really like him and i remember he went on just before me and he said some very nice words about me you have to say very nice words like he he spoke really high and this is obviously going back then but and i thought to myself you know here's somebody that i did actually go on so i i felt that and i thought you know what if i remember i'm gonna say this publicly so you know despite whatever differences of views which obviously is entitled and

everybody's entitled and i'm entitled to have my views but yeah man i i sense duas his way in love and may allah keep him smiling i mean i hope you know obviously our views i hope he changes his views i'm sure people hope i change my views but i did feel i felt he had zara i came off my principle and so if he gets to watch this i'll cut i'll try and cut it out as a slip that may allah bless you and keep you smiling i mean yeah so let's move on to the question

see this is what the this is what being in the gym and the the pre-workouts do to me right let's move on people right let's get to today's i want to cover this so we can start um moving forward as well i can share the link you know normally this

you know the heating i'm just thinking i've got a window open it's like normally i have this sweating as i'm like oh it's way too hot here and today i'm like ah why why is the temperature down right bismillah people so to tackle the question of loneliness or solitude you decide and before that i'll remind you once again if you haven't already caught up with the book lounge that was last month's book definitely well worth a discussion this month's book is

awakening but there's this quote i thought was really timely to include by rumi do not feel lonely the entire universe is inside you and many ways it echoes the poem by saying ali which we cited earlier right loneliness or being alone now this is what i want to highlight that look we are in a world where we will paradoxically find ourselves being more and more alone the pandemic is a prime example

but being alone is not necessarily a bad thing okay it is a good thing it's a developing thing solitude is an amazing blessing there's been several studies that have been conducted recently especially with young people aged between 16 to 25 and they found in fact there was a study with over 50 000 i think maybe 55 000 people participating and they found that people between that age range were to be more lonelier than other

you know whether you want to say generations or other peers much older than them or counterparts and you think well that's strange because these young people live in a world where they ever so connected you know snapchat tick-tock i don't know games and all these kind of this this world and they live in a connected world but that connected world is ironically isolating them this is by their own self-confession and they and

they are being challenged by and they don't know how to deal with this and this sometimes it can lead to depression it can lead to phobias of you know not wanting to go outside not wanting to meet people it can lead to low self-esteem it can lead to suicidal ideations and may allah make it easy for all of these people and in light of that i want to share some quranic guidance and and to explain that you see it's all in the mind people the world is what your thoughts make of

it solitude is an amazing gift but when does being alone shift into lonely it shifts into that when people feel because the person who's lonely the person who's alone but doesn't feel lonely what is different there and it's the mind because the lonely person can even be amongst people and feel lonely because they feel that the the indispensable ingredient

is that they feel people don't want them or people don't appreciate them or value them or love them this is what creates that sense of loneliness it's not being alone but because we will find ourselves increasingly more and more alone let's take a look at some guidance and some reminders here we've got in suratul verse 94 allah mentioning

that you have come to us at the end of life alone as we created you in the beginning allah see this being alone was never we were always alone this life is a journey we undertake on our own other people just they appear parallel to us they may have concurrent journeys with us but they are on their own journey as we are on our own and allah says

and you have left what we and all these everything that you collected your mass that you acquired it has been left behind those people who you claimed that made your world for you

your acquaintances your partners business partners your friends your gangs your spouses your none nobody you know allah saying we don't see them these people are not with you you claim they were partners now this can mean in many ways but in this way that looking at life see where are they you are born alone

you pass alone all right and allah says these claims you made they have long gone they've left you behind now in many ways this is an absolute it's an eye-opener but it's also a blessing to say look these are not bad things necessarily i mean the primary verse may be speaking about partners and shuriken but by extension is talking about all kinds of partners as well the

verse this is the superpositional nature of the part now having people having support mechanisms having whether it's going to be your acquaintance acquaintances your friends your your support your spouses you this could be a powerful thing but just remember a wake-up call it is ultimately you don't neglect that and learn to be at one with yourself

and i'm going to speak about that but let's take a look at this verse here in surah maryam an amazing example of maryam who when she according to certain people that she at the time of labor was on her own elijah now this is important what now some people say she was maybe joseph was with her but at this point she was on her own allahu alam but the point is she felt

this loneliness she felt it because you can feel loneliness even in a crowd and with that the pain and she's going through the pains of labor and look at the and then the exhaustion of going through childbirth and the hunger she's hungry she needs food and look at what allah says the the verse after that was 23 verse 25

that shake the tree that shake the tree you need help you need assistance you've fallen down you know you found yourself to be that the world around you has collapsed and you've fallen you you're on the ground you're on your back but you can still look up so you can get up the spirit of the quran

[Music] you want this put some effort into it the fruits the dates they came showering down allah could have said it's okay here's food from heaven we're gonna make this happen we're gonna make other means we're going to there's going to be a group of travelers passing by that have got so much food and they don't know what to do with it they could be 100 means that don't even have to be so supernatural but they could be many means

but maryam is a is an archetypal role model for women to come and what will people have they will have struggles so shake the tree the food it will come yes you're alone you're stranded and guess what you have to do guess what you have to still put the effort you have to pull yourself up by the bootstraps

and then it comes the glory the the fruits it all you know it unfolds magically and and that is such a powerful inspiring verse and the final verse i want to take a look at this was from surah hadid i and i'll show this that allah look at how it's lining this up

with all its magnificence see everything that goes and comes out of the earth that goes into the earth allah knows about it why is this important saying this allah said he created the cosmos so yeah i guess we know he knows everything it's reminding you what you're going through as well he knows he knows

he hears you you see and what comes down and what goes up many of things whether you're looking at just elements water you're looking at the cycles of nature or you're looking at things like your cry your plea for help goes up to the heavens

and what does allah say you are in this moment of stranded loneliness allah says he is right there with you god is with you [Music] go wherever you want god is with you such a powerful verse

and allah surely sees that what you do see reminding you why what you do because you have to do something yes allah created the cosmos yes he knows all of this but he sees what you do this is bringing it back see allah first of all he shows you the cosmos shows you everything you're thinking but i'm going through this he says i know you're going through that and then you're like but

where is god he's with you go wherever you want allah is with you all of a sudden that a surety you see because loneliness comes from this thing of not being wanted allah wants you he has chosen you your story will always just be your story there isn't a single person on this globe through humanity that has your

story like your fingerprint like your dna it is unique to you and then allah reminds you he sees what you do meaning do something have a bit of strength you'll get through this and i thought it's so important to remind us because when we find especially people find feeling in this age where things are becoming much more and more isolated ironically and they're

thinking well damn you know am i worth anything am i capitalize on solitude yeah let me just bring up the these so that was these verses i wanted to share for today and this really

sums it up as well so beautifully somebody had mentioned uh maulana rumi and there's his quote that we carry inside us the wonders we seek outside us and the you have as well the lover is always alone even surrounded by people like water and oil he remains apart yeah so yeah i want to share some thoughts now tying on from that but this about exploring yourself and solitude this is a journey that i implore you to take okay

do in this day and age we need to sometimes just be on our own to understand who we are look at how the prophet salallahu alaihi sallam would go off in this sense of mindfulness you need to do this you need to because when you're with people you're constantly just chattering chattering chattering and and you know what people you see this is the amazing thing you see the reason people say they want to find themselves the reason you can't

around people people are too busy telling you who you are beginning by just how they beginning by just addressing you telling you your relation to them telling you your name your identity see how can you search within when this you're constantly just being told who you are you need to withdraw and go in search you need to kind of just quieten

sometimes you see you may have you may find yourself with conflicting voices how often have you have we found ourselves saying to ourselves that oh no you can't do that or uh you know if you do it like won't this be like this and then you're you're thinking ah now but this and you're answering it or you're telling yourself oh my god you're never going to be able to do this and you're

which one are you are you the one telling you are you the one responding got news you're neither you're the one becoming aware of it so you have to connect to that and you have to and i feel that this sunnah of the prophet sallallahu alaihi has been so often not emphasized that this being on your own and i think that because the world is going in that direction anyway we can capitalize on it

use it to discover use it it's okay it's a rite of passage it's important and this is how many you know many great mystics of islam they attained who they were like this you know it's interesting because you see one of the distinguishing factors between certain traditions of the world like let's say certain um [Music] classical ain't the word even but people may say primitive but say let's say the shamanic of the shamans

and people like this that are pre-industrialization and pre-institutionalization many of their practices are very different to let's say organized religion and i don't mean their practices practices because everybody has rituals that are different but what are some of the core founding factors that that delineate that differentiate and that is that you see let's say to become

learned in islam you have to learn stuff you go through a syllabus you pass an exam you become something you are now this you know mawlana sheikh mufti you know this is how these people are now because they've done all these studies learned all this stuff and passed it's it's academic in in its way and some people in some faiths it may be more um

ascetic hermetic you have to abstain you have to be a hermit you have to then you know you're granted these things and you can find that you know echoes of that in islam as well but you see in some ways you're just ordained like in christianity you just ordained you know you've become the priest they've made you the priest now it's

you know in hinduism you could say there's a mixture of certain stuff in buddhism as well you just try to have this enlightenment kind of procedure but the difference in some of these other what are seen as primitive traditions is that there you have to have taken a journey of yourself

where you've explored where you've gone off you've gone off into solitude you've gone off into a forest you've gone off into some you've had to battle your demons and live there on your own you've had to be in utter quietness apart from your own voices where it's the only way out is you're going to go through these through this shadow you're not you know behind you it's just insanity otherwise satarik pinsiert said when he was on the andalus porter he burnt the ships

he said you know behind you is just the sea and impending death and he said la you know you want to get through you got to get through these people this army ahead of you to get through he's like well i'll see you on the other side and this is how these people they what they do is undertake that because they have to go through that self-discovery you have to make it or it breaks you and then you come through

and it's interesting this is how the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam did for years he would just go off into solitude his own journey allah showing us that this is how truly yes the other things come late you know this academizing this learning a syllabus and passing an exam and passing all but they haven't you haven't really found the you and yes some mystics in islam did you know they did take this route obviously mahiti ibn arabi people like jalalathina for me other people did take

this route but many for many was just the academic route so this is why i think it's important to understand and we can you know wisdom wherever you find it take it that's what the teaching says people say it's a hadith people have questioned the chain but you know wherever somebody finds it he is more deserving of it so and you i i feel that there's so much in these traditions and in the early life of the prophet sallallahu alaihi that we

can use in this day and age when we're becoming ironically pushed more and more and especially with this metaverse coming whenever it does in the coming years i feel that you know people are going to become more isolated and because young people don't see this in old in elders they don't know it's like a rite of passage but they don't see it and they don't see people doing it so they left to their own devices they don't know what to do and they just spiral inwards and remember their neuroplasticity hasn't even fully developed that's around the age of 25 your brain fully kind of fledges out so it's still developing and because it's weak

a bit or not weak but because it's still underdeveloped and they feel depressed lonely low self-esteem we have to be weary of things like suicidal ideations may allah make it easy for all but i want to share that let's take a look at some of your questions um all right masha'allah enjoy listening to musty feel more enlightened shukra and shukran may allah always keep you enlightened and motivated right

yeah metaverse i heard this is in spider-man are we going towards that yeah we are i spoke about that a little earlier on today we're going towards the metal i think it's a great time to invest in it though yeah why not huh if you're gonna end up alone you might as well be at least you're like a millionaire alone or a multi-millionaire

i'm joking people all right so what is going on thinking exactly a lot of good input there is a lot of good everywhere see the goodness people you know it's amazing uh we'll cover this in another session in more detail but very briefly this there was something in the time of pre prophethood uh in in in the prophet's life there was one of the um one of the battles some people say fujar and it was something that lasted went on for several years and the prophet

partook in this battle he participated and he says in a hadith that about that i was handling the arrows with his uncle and then people disagree did he actually fire the arrows or did he just you know prepare them but and people say maybe both but the point is the prophet participated it was a pre-islamic battle between um and kinana and it's interesting because you know when you study these things you also start to see after effects of it in later history

you see these tribal uh pasts re-emerging when they start supporting one again and one another again it's it's amazing if you you see the nuances but yeah but following that there was a something known as helful for which was after that shortly after that certain people in makkah they made this agreement that we are going to give refuge safe refuge and asylum grant asylum to any person who has been oppressed and any oppressor can have no sanctuary

in in the haram okay in the sacred uh territory so which is around the kaaba and that part of the haram so this was interesting because this is before islam so this maybe this is anything between 10 to 15 years before prophethood and this became known as helful for and and people disagree why was it called for some people say because of the fodder the virtue in it some people say that there were at least three people involved in organizing this um this this agreement because it became a

pact and several neighboring tribes kind of pledged their allegiance to it and they say because several people were named fable it got the name the fadul is the plural of father but whatever it was it was known as helful the pact of and the prophet says later many years later you know decades later the prophet said that um he said i was invited because this took place in in somebody's home known as uh we'll speak about him as well in the future he's very um

you know like an illustrious personality and character that appears pre-islam and even today people if you hear of people that are refer to jadan tribe it's actually a sub element of quraysh coming down but it's it's with reference to ibn who was incredibly virtuous and in pre-islam used to be very generous but then he does have issues and we'll speak about that another time but at his home they have this meeting and the prophet says decades later he says i was invited

to help and i partook in it in this pact to help the vulnerable and he says says and if anybody had invited me to the same kind of thing in islam i would definitely hasten to i would agree to i would respond to them i would go meet them see what's interesting is the prophet was not saying that this can only come from islam other people non-muslims

could come up with things and the prophet was saying he filled islam i'm invited to it whilst in islam i would hasten to it because it was goodness and i think these are the things that we these nuances we sometimes forget that there's goodness everywhere don't think that goodness is in these values in these principles it is not constricted to just as i said in today's lesson at the beginning that you know people try to constrict god

with words goodness you know you can't constrict it with words so yeah wherever we see goodness we should take it wherever we see wisdom we should embrace it that's my message right what's your so beautifully put sugar and chakran

all right you should study this tried the study quran translated by hussain nasser yep or the quran translated by muhammad assad right now [Music] yeah there's different ways to you know even in the quran you see glimpses you see what you see this kind of message in islam as well although it's not the main

projection because what happened with the islamic tradition see you have to remember what people were in need of where islam came okay so let's let's let's talk about this um about the the central theme of islam being justice when islam came it came to a lawless part of the world that was eclipsed with inequality with oppression transgression

and just crimes it was it was really submerged in that so it was not the you see the primary message wasn't going to be i mean not sorry let me rephrase that the message at the vanguard at the forefront that was going to constantly echo was going to be about justice

the message of love and compassion and these things are equally important but the message of love you see allah constantly says in the quran so many verses allah loves allah loves constantly but why was this not the if you were to say the nectar of the message it's definitely there it's a powerful ingredient the nectar definitely emerges as justice because you see when a person is oppressed

it's not you know just saying to them hey it's all about love or it's about you know it's it's you know just love everyone and it doesn't work for them because they are in a state of being oppressed and transgressed against they have a yearning an irresistible yearning for justice and this by the way hasn't changed this even today in most part of the world it you know in in i would argue the majority of the world is still the number one yearning for justice

because people have been wronged so the quran in that lawless state it had it pushed forward the message of justice and then it nested it within mercy and then it it watered it with love and compassion so this is why the central theme that emerges immediately is one of justice because that was what was needed

it was the primary fundamental the the the the crisis and the instinctual yearning that people had so islam brought that now you see and so this is why the ulama most of the ulama developed on the back of a legal platform because legality was about establishing law and order it was about attaining justice it was about setting up rules it was about

structures in society remember this is a society that had none of these it was bereft of all of these so when islam brought this this is why overcame the like this was the the standing point of the deen this is why the scholars for the most part were always for kaha they were jurists why weren't the scholars for the most part why were they not preferred of the quran for the most why were they not experts why were they not mufasirin why were they not i'm not saying they were many of these scholars but the majority were always legal jurists because it was

about setting up law and order establishing rights for people having structures having rules in society having giving people this which they did not have now you fast forward to a time where in some parts of the world like where we live in the developed part of the world alhamdulillah there is order for i'm not saying it's perfect but there is plenty of order there are plenty of structures in place there's rules there's you know guidelines there's contractual

um nuances and fine points there's bylaws this there's cannons there's there's so much of this stuff where we live in the world today that this so you see so what happens as one pulls the other the the other kind of relaxes as the other pulls this relaxes so we we find ourselves with law with within with a reasonably good amount of lawfulness with rules with structures

with bylaws with you know um with guidelines with just with all these points in society in that point we start to see the other element blossoming more of the theme which is about compassion about love about humanity about because these things are there in society see people here yes i'm not saying they don't yearn but it's not the same in this part of the world some people have had enough there's too many rules you know you park at this place you get fined you go into this lane it's like

this you know they can't everything is about technicality now you know somebody does this they only get this this happens to this person this happens to this it's like people are like oh my god i've just got so many rules and laws and bylaws and and they've got too much emphasizing just this this aspect of the deen people can do it but i feel that that is a mismatch because people have that there roar it yearns for the other side for the love for the for the compassion

for that humanity so this is how these things balance out so i think that's an important message and i think this is why people sometimes mismatch things and don't and i absolutely understand in many parts of the world justice and that is still clearly it you know it's way ahead of the the the requirements it is absolutely number one so many people are still oppressed and you're right that's why in many of the muslim countries that's the number one thing but when people import those same things

here this is why it doesn't gel as well you see you have to understand that the shariah has a a kind of to it and it gels with with with its surroundings so yeah i hope that's of um some interest right okay what is berserk like wow this is a fascinating question i want to cover this another time because i was just reading ibn arubi's works on the bazaar

it's absolutely like it's not a a large piece i was reading it on actually script fascinating it's uh you know just seeing how and i wanted to read it and i wanted to then read it in arabic this was in english i wanted to then read it in arabic and um and and then kind of compare it and then i can speak on it inshallah it's i think if you type in on script uh just ibn arabi and bazaar it should come up it's it's an extract i think they've extracted it from his but they'll tell

you which work they've extracted it from right um i was an ex-muslim i'm not even spiritual sure um you know each i saw one madrasa boy in mulhead live stream sure i'll share the the link and if you want to come on you can come on and we can chat that's absolutely fine

yo mufti is live and i've got nothing better to do allahu akbar true many things in life we just stumble upon them as kind of like happenstance just as ah i've got nothing better to do let me watch this believe me that's how many a great stories began so right guys speaking of stories i want to share with you let's right that that's a beautiful quote so we carry inside us the wonder we seek outside us

the lover is always alone now before we move on let me just share a quick poem and speaking about perspectives right from delhi and he is one of the classic poets is a contemporary of people like zok and khalip he's from the dons you know moment moment allah what a name huh you gotta love it moment means believer as well and he has a poem he has a in his poem this line where he says

and this line of his it's you know it's so simple but it's simultaneously so profound ralph allegedly said to him that if you were to give me that one line that one stanza just this i would i would give you my entire divine of poetry

that two mere that you are with me when no other is with me and it could be understand just simply him saying to you know someone he loves old when i'm on my own i think of you that's a very superficial way but the depths that look that you are with me

when no other is present not even myself with your presence my sense of self dissipates there is nothing but you that is present allah and in many ways that echoes that that relationship with the transcendental divine that you see when i hone in

and it is you then it is just only you there is nothing else that what it what what is the self [Laughter] but an illusion nothing in essence exists except you i think that's so powerful and that's by moment and it's it is a beautiful uh a beautiful vessel which he has several other kind of lines in there that are epic as well and he says one of them is

[Laughter] says it was just you that i couldn't have otherwise what is there in this world that is not achievable oh you can feel his pain huh i am enjoying moment he's doing it yeah and it's on this loneliness and these things you have you could contrast that with some a bit more slightly melancholic loneliness of gorakpuri somebody much after 20th century from india one of the dons of urdu

poetry is well we in in with great simplicity he says [Laughter] if only

you were here as well it would have been nice honestly just so simple but it hits at the heart strings you can feel it it's like a genuine sincerity in what he's saying wow reminds you of einstein he said everything should be as simple as possible but not any simpler so people with that let's uh

where is love always at the falling down habibi what quran no other all right okay just put that person in right so yeah speaking of uh stories and people i want to share with us an incident of a great epic scholar of the past and this goes to show people that your world is what your thoughts

make it i want to speak a bit about a legend known as siboway now this story is about heartbreak and this is why i said the world is what your thoughts make of it because really in life you fall apart when your heart loses its fight and it falls apart you lose the willpower if you lose at heart you lose in life and at times you lose life itself there have been many people who they because of some kind of loss they

actually died maybe not imminently but in the weeks to come for example maybe the months to come that such a loss hit them so powerfully and you see that with people that love other people they that you know only know other people i saw with my uh my own grandparents that uh my paternal grandparents i saw that they had spent an entire lifetime together um they my grandfather must have passed away at

the age of i think he must have been 93 or something and he was still walking around and you know mobile and of good health given the age still had hair on his head and even though he's used to shaving a very a very pious person always you know praised tahajjud always dressed in that traditional you know used to wear the the old style the izars and very and the buggery you know the old people who wear the the turban in the is like that and i saw when he passed away and within months my grandmother passed away

and she was of a similar age and and she passed away i think uh i think maybe six months after him and and that was the difference in her age with him that she was six months younger and you see this with people may allah bless their afterlife i mean and everybody who's who you know who who's somebody has passed away in allah bless them and you see this in people that they they when they have this in life and this can it doesn't have to just be people it could be a passion if that falls to pieces they lose life and that's it you know they

they pass away and such is the story of our guest tonight the man the myth the legend sibo way that's an alleged picture of i don't know how they would have drawn that but and that's a picture of the city of shiraz in iran which he i believe was from but he resorted to at the end of his life and that's his book known as al-kitab he is the dawn of the arabic language his book in arabic grammar is called al-kitab it's called the book i mean you can't top that they say what what book did you write he says i wrote the book

and his name was but people know him as sibo and there's a whole debate on why but he was the head of this whole bossary grammar school he was a student of khalil ahmed and he had a rival school kufa and they disagreed in grammar and they used to take digs at each other and they had all this kind of rivalry going on and his arch nemesis was kisa right if you recall previously we've spoken about the kerat of the quran

and you you see one of the people of the terra at is kisai so kesari is his arch rival he has his own school of grammar which they disagree on rules and what happens is once in baghdad now you see remember my story of the baramika the burma kids and how i spoke of how you had the different jaffar al-baramaki and all these stories at the time of haruna rasheed now this is at that time

now you see in history how when i will tell these stories they will then you'll be able to connect the dots that who was where and how they were connected and in your mind this kind of mental map gets created where things come to life so yahya al-burmaki he one day wants he hears that sibo is in town so he says that yeah he says to kasayka he was the royal teacher so he was the teacher of amin and mahmoud of the abbasid and he was therefore close to haruna rasheed and the baramika

because they obviously used to see him often so he he says he says you know what let's arrange a meet up clash of the titans allah so we've got these two heavyweights these dons now siboway gets invited now he turns up and um when he turns up the two kind of students but you know the followers and they're next in the school

of um of kasai the kufi school you have some other figures he's like one of the founding figures he's not the founders proto founders but he's one of the key people kasseri but then you've got junior to him people like farrah who's uh who's like incredibly well known and a lot of his opinions are in the books of grammar you have then um now these two are waiting there so see boy turns up so they start you know quizzing him starts at yours hey what's the uh tell me what's this what's that

so they they come on a bit harsh and strong to see the way and he doesn't like it and sibo is a bit of a private person and what happens is siboway gets offended and he says to them what is this this is you guys have no manners no respect you know i'm a guest here and you guys just you know just trying to basically you're trying to kind of like bully me because what would happen is they would ask him questions and he he started to engage them he'd answer them and they

start saying ha ha you got it wrong and so he's obviously offended he's like what the hell so what happens is kasaei turns up equals peers so he says give us the room allah so they're saying some people say this was done by harun rashid by the way but it makes no difference so people are there in this room so kasa is sitting there

he says he says no he doesn't quite say that but he says to him oh see boy how's it going he says it's good he says to him you wanna you wanna ask me you wanna quiz me or shall i quiz you allah look at that straight straight to business huh straight to business so see boy says he says you go first he says it says quiz me he says okay he says what do you say

in this masala this masala came to be known as the masala a zumba in arabic is a wasp okay and he says what do you say about what is the how should arab say he says tell me how should arab say this he says

and this statement is irrelevant it's just the the kind of preamble he says that how should the arabs see this and the sentences i used to think that the scorpion's sting is worse than that of the wasp for either who are here but lo and behold it is the same that's what he's trying to say you know lo mismo in espanol but he says is faith

should we say that it is it see now both of them mean the same thing in arabic okay in arabic a pronoun when it's on its own and not being acted upon stays nominative so like hua hiya anta anti anna these are just nominal pronouns which are on their own detached but if it's the object of a verb they change so it's not who it becomes who

and so here the question was should they say faith or should they say here now sibley says to him now siboway is right in what he's saying but technically so what he says is you're wrong no sibo way sorry doesn't just say well here he says al arab the arabs only say that who are here the arabs only say this this is where civil war was actually mistaken

he says to him the arabs say also and i have to say for some reason to me that the ring of that sounds a bit better although what civil way is saying is the not the baseline how it generally is like in the quran how it reads suddenly it is like a snake it is a snake or um usually it is like that that is true but they could do this in terms of making it hal so what happens is siboway now

kosai and siboy get into this argument and he keeps asking these same kind of questions to him with the same like changing the wording but the same structure and siboy keeps saying no it's only just this way and kasai says you got it wrong don what kind of a don [Laughter] doesn't even know this so what happens is he says you know what you guys are the dawns of your if you guys can't agree who do i ask so questions look there's bedouin arabs

who have come to the palace because they would often come as delegates to ask for stuff why don't you invite some of them in and ask them they let them judge they're the the pure arabs so what happens is they bring in these uh these kind of bedouins who then say they agree with kasati like i say is right now this embarrassment or this what people what sibo i felt was a betrayal kasibo way felt and this is how many grammarians stated because the school of basra dominated the scene afterwards it kind of won the the culture war

and so they say that kasai had set this up and he had even bribed those bedouins at the door now allahu alam if that be true i personally don't think he bribed them because even later gramerians like ibn hashem and all these people write that that is actually how arabs do say as well even though it's rare so it's true that it's not common usage but it's not unheard of so they felt that cebu way was in the right for dictating that this is how it should be said but he was wrong for saying this is how

it's only said and so so siboway is so heartbroken with this this incident because he does say to yahya al-burmaki that look don't you know he is a guest he came here don't let him go just like this like give him something you know he came here as a guest of yours and so they say that yahya al-baramaki gave him ten thousand dinars which is a hell of a lot of money in that day and age and um and remember i spoke about the barami and how they used to be so generous so sibo way was so hurt

by this overall experience that he he kind of returns he he leaves people and recluses he goes off heads towards shiraz in iran modern day iran and that was his hometown and then within weeks they say he dies and he was he was reasonably young i mean he wasn't that old but he they say he was so heartbroken and he felt so like like i've turned up to this royal palace for once and i'm you know the at the

the the epitome the what's the word ah what's the apotheo [Laughter] right so is it apostle state or but i am at this you know the summit of my passion and this is the humiliation i face i first get these people kind of trying to degrade me and trying to denigrate me and then i get this and i'm insulted in this way

um even though he feels with kasa he wasn't trying to bully but he feels that maybe because i set him up for failure and he bribed this is what people feel and some grammarians like jeremy say you know it wasn't fair why why would they ask the bedouin delegates because the bedouin delegates are people who turn up to the palace who are familiar with people like kassai who has the royal who has royal audience so obviously they're going to agree with him because they need something done and he's the royal person sibo is a nobody to them so they're going to pick sides so other

grammarians did say that yeah it is a tragedy but you see this person coming to a death as a as a consequence of his passion and i'll tell you something you know there's a maliki uh scholar who centuries later has him what a slick name has him his name is him okay and he's from

which is cartagena and espana it's in spain it's still it's still there it's a i think south east in mercia and it was called in many ways named after in tunis there was an old there was a city called which was carthage after the old carthage kingdom from the near east the persian kind of the the offs shoot that you had the carthage kingdom and that whole and then it had

there was a city in tunis and then you have almost this new uh cartagena this new kind of car cartage of carthage being built in spain uh and it was in muslim spain well i'm sorry not built but whoever built obviously before the muslims but the muslims then inhabited and they lived there and has him he has a poem and he's a student of uh and he's one of the most

authors on ballarat rhetoric in arabic and he's a student of abu ali shalom who's also one of the most profound uh is the scholars of the arabic language and and and this is all around that time and who is shallow being a student of just to show you to put in that picture ibn roost so just to give you a picture because when i'm telling you these things that mind map is connecting dots and uh so they around this mo had time so you've had

and we've spoken previously of yakubu mantua and um when he has that whole debate and i did a whole video on this and just after him this generation you've got in muslim spain this has him and he writes a poem and he brings this in to his nah poem this whole incident and he says

he says he says so that the arabs may at times drop the akhbar is the predicate in a sentence if they want to give a surprise like this this sentence he's talking about this he says he says

and maybe at times even though it could be infrequently they said it with a nasp as cassetti was saying after either they may also do the other version so as siboi had said and he says in his poem that um

tricked people like it puzzled people and it led to the death and depression of sibling that the i used to the wasp i used to think the wasp was you know more than the or that the uh scorpion was worse than than the wasp but you know they are whatever he's just highlighting the masala and and he's bringing that zumbaria he says he says

that is it that the answer should it be is this how it should be this is what they disputed and fought amongst he's bringing this to uh to the forefront and he says he says

is the maliki scholar saying this he says that these people they considered civil way to be making a mistake and he says they actually oppressed him [Laughter] because you know even though to be fair sibo way i think was wrong on saying the arabs don't say that but they did oppress him he says and he says and he really infuriates the name of sibley

he says ali is kasiri he says ali really wronged him and he kind of infuriated him if only he didn't get the last say yes and here he's taking the same names back to saydna ali when they had after the battle of sephie and he's saying in the same way that wronged ali he's twisting the play on the names because here ali in this case kassai has wronged sibo way so ali is wrong

how amar had wronged ali over there and he says that and this is he says he says and the worst of things is knowledge you know when you are oppressed in knowledge that the pain it causes like and by this it doesn't just mean knowledge it can mean your intellectual property if you are oppressed and robbed of your intellectual property your creativity

he says this is from the greatest of them and that's a poem by um um and even um ibn hisham brings that as well in his so this is such a obviously an amazing story over just this wasp [Laughter] wow but what it did is it immortalized this word of the of the zamboar everybody if you think if you ever hear the words it's a masala so yeah i thought i'd share that with you guys

guys i wanna i'll share the link and let's see what goes on maybe we'll wrap it up shortly i'll see how much time okay let's share the link invite let me just share the link

uh mufti shouldn't you just explain islam rather than the lullabies wow i mean i to be honest i love this stuff and what it does is it brings islam the heritage of islam to life for me and i'm trying to share that flame with you guys because you know you see to me when i see things in islam or i learn about things it comes alive in this mind map that i have

that oh this was over there this was going on this was the context these were the people and when i share these stories with you of these people i mean there's there's obviously morals to the story but what it also can help you with is creating that mind map of these people because they contribute to your understanding of islam like how you learn arabic today has been influenced heavily heavily by siboway heavily like al-kitab is the basis of arabic grammar as we still know it today

despite some grammarians along the way kind of having their own there was an andalusia this kind of muslim spanish um um there i call it insurgency but there was this thing so the schools of grammar kind of worked as you had these kind of prototypes and then it evolves into the bustery school with khalil and then siboway but then you're going to get uh rivaled by the kufi school by people before like and others but then uh e and then after him you're going to get al-farah you're going to get but here you're going to get people like you do kind of move away a bit but

you're going to get almazzini now this then triggers somewhat of a baghdadi alleged school some kind of an amalgamation of the two allegedly alambari and other people but really grammar is heavily dictated by what the basrin said and then you do get this kind of insurgency centuries later if i can call it that deer i call it that by the andalusian where you've got these people like shallow bean you're going to have hazim that i've mentioned but you're going to have the likes of ibn ibn landalusi you know these people this kind of you're going to have ibn mubarak and his whole what what's that all about

that's madness we got to speak about that someday you had this with the mohad movement rising and i mentioned in a previous incident you see now you can tie it all in i spoke about abdul mukhmin ibn ali al-ghumi and how he has the maliki fit books burned and even as stands up and in shade of that these events the rise against the maliki method was also a rise against other scientists so you have people like ibm refuting writing against grammarians all of a sudden saying these grammarians have lost the plot and what are these and we don't accept them and redefining

grammatical rules and ibn roost tries to uh possibly refute him in his now now all this is going on you've got other people these are adding to the grammar people study today the ajrumia the ajurumiya to some extent is kufic which is quite surprising i i am fond of the kufic school personally so this shapes your understanding of how you will even read the quran today because it's dictated uh or explained dictated isn't the right word but it has

really been you know it's it's explained the rulings of grammar in it are explained by these people and if you know who they are you know it shapes everything and they have so much disagreement amongst them wow you know this is a saying that if you think the fukaha disagreed you've got no idea how much the grammarians disagreed so it's like so wow honestly um so i do advise people to learn it it really makes everything come to life these kind of things as a convert from i appreciate the

lullabies i'm learning a lot about history i've never heard before thank you shukran nora shukran much appreciated uh you should do something on kung fu uh mufti is literally an encyclopedia [Laughter] i wish i wish um people let me just share the link out again and then let's take on some guests

all right so all right who do we have here we have stefan sharks alright oh crap stefan welcome all right where are you joining us from stefan am i saying that right by the way is it stefan yes yes yes surprisingly usually people get it wrong um oh that's very it's a british accent all right from um i'm actually from new zealand which is kind of interesting

uh okay oh i thought it was a british accent wow yeah it's okay i mean i don't have quite a thick um new zealand accent but i kind of i've kind of grown up with a lot of british shimmer and stuff like that so it's kind of come on okay wow it's a it's a pleasure to have you on the live talk to us share your thoughts with us what's um how can we also reflect on what's in your mind um honestly at the moment it's a bit kind of chaotic but um the mind off the mind often is

[Laughter] um yeah i mean at the moment i'm at university so i'm still quite young and like i'm still going through you know my mind is still trying what are you studying at university uh engineering so engineering wow yeah it's quite a popular subject i think in quite heavy as well i'm surprised what brings you to to this channel i have to ask the question i'm intrigued i'm i'm honored and i'm also intrigued um so originally um i

happened upon your channel from the meme that was circulating you know you're not doing oh you nothing but i i looked at a lot of your um i watched a lot of your streams and stuff like that and um i actually really enjoyed listening to your perspectives and um i thought they were really informative and it was really nice hear a different perspective um that's actually um from a muslim because i'm i'm christian so it's a little bit different but like um i find that for me because like um [Music] from my kind of spiritual journey i i kind of i'm not so much wandering away from

christianity but i want to journey through different um you know kind of religious thoughts and um literature because i think it's really interesting um and uh there's i feel like there's a lot to learn kind of both religiously and philosophically and psychologically about like um how to kind of just navigate the world and and yourself and i think that um i think going forward um in my life i really want to keep that as a um a part of my like uh like an integral part of my life yeah wow that's no that's really good i

think you know it's a um an inner yearning this that you know like you mentioned this it's it's not about you see you're not interested in identity politics like you said it's not about me trying to navigate from or to christianity or these it's there's a there's a yearning there's something a thirst that hasn't been quenched and and this is that path of consciousness that path of of of just seeking and it's a journey and and that is in

many ways what faith is and and it um these things and and looking exploring what other people have said you know it's interesting because in many ways many people echo a very similar uh this you know they say similar things they may use different terminologies they may use you know different angles different filters i was looking at a book called the two million year old self and it's by um anthony stevens and he's a uh a jungian um you know academic and

so and it's really fascinating because he's obviously putting all the works of young in there but this whole concept that is so integral to you know analytical psychology young in the approach of this this inner self which is sometimes called the two million year old self that they say that we still carry this within us that we are this collective consciousness and um and we're kind of connected and it's interesting how really this and and they may say well this is where for example we still have that intimations of of something before some kind of

that we without the us we existed but we kind of existed without us being the who we are today now it's interesting you could look at religions and they may say a a a different thing but in essence they may say well people were a soul and the soul pre-existed and you know the soul knew other souls or that it had some kind of communication and he had some kind of experiences let's say and people may say and and and you now incorporate that soul so there has been a part of you that is

you know millions of years old but it's still you and and people may somebody else from another tradition may say okay we're not going to say so we'll say we'll just focus on consciousness and you know maybe that consciousness has always existed and consciousness as always and it's interesting even when we're looking at the battling within within the person how um how people differentiate sometimes in the islamic tradition you'll have that and even christianity to to an extent the self being this um you know this thing full of desires this capricious avaricious kind of uh

this thing that leads you to temptation obviously by aid of the devil but also in and of itself this self but then you'll have this higher kind of self and people have always gone with these kind of splits and even in modern psychology you're going to see where they've tried to strip it off religion let's say with freud senior to young but still saying that look there's going to be the id the ego and the super ego and it's amazing that it doesn't matter human beings are still human beings and really this journey yes there's a different filter that we

all carry this different lens different perspectives maybe but in essence the the fundamentals of our journey are very similar i'll be having to be undertaken on our own and individually oh yeah i remember as um i've been uh while i've been studying for the exams and stuff that i did uh finished uh relatively recently i was kind of in the background i was listening to a lot of um jordan peterson uh lectures oh yeah it's very fascinating to listen to oh i i love listening to jordan peterson yeah um but one thing i think one thing that uh

really resonated with me um i can't obviously i can't remember the video because i'm like churning through the stuff hey um but it was um people have like a god-shaped hole inside them and i felt that that was really insightful because it was it yeah it's uh it's that kind of people and then if you don't fill it people try to fill it with other stuff and like some people try to fill it with science and some people just try to fill it with like you know hedonisms and stuff like that and that was really interesting that's so interesting and profound because you see it's it doesn't matter once again language it doesn't matter some some have argued that there

is a god gene within us from a very neurobiological perspective that they've argued there's a particular gene perhaps or some people have argued this part of the uh between the temporal and parietal lobe there's a region that correlates with spirituality and even with the with going into dna that there's a certain gene or that there's a hole this is this vacuum there's a void but one thing that is for sure there is a natural irresistible yearning that we carry for the transcendent and even where we have tried to strip

humanity of these they end up finding their own way it may be in some deformed way they may take up some superstition they may take up you know how many people don't believe in god but they will believe in some kind of karma or some kind of uh like touch wood superstition you know oh nothing bad's going to happen touch wood you know people say this and you may ask them do you believe in god someone say no but they because they we can't separate ourselves from this this the numinous it exists in us i think it's

uh we can we can maybe try and mute it for so long but then it'll just we have to do something you know you got to put something there yeah it's it's kind of like it's it's part of um what makes us people is and so like if you try and suppress us it's like you're trying to suppress part of yourself and so instead of like um it's like if you try to be because um i kind of have these two like i have like quite an emotive side and quite a rational side and so it's like you just you just focus on the one or you um you take precedence of one rather than the other instead of consulting both um yeah

and i think oh absolutely that's quite a quite a mix by the way that you've got uh highly emotive and highly rational that's yeah it's a little bit weird so like um when i'm conversing with people sometimes i'll uh i'll i'm quite i can be quite uh humorous and and and silly and stuff like that but then i'll um sometimes i take a very rational grounded kind of approach and i think it's usually towards problems like um because like i guess as an engineer it's like um trying to solve problems and so having a rational mind and being able to kind of navigate those issues really helps but um yeah i think that's fascinating

yeah yeah they say that you know a lot of our problem solving abilities that the they go back to these heuristics these kind of anchors mental anchors that we have from childhood so they say that let's say the kind of problem-solving ability that you develop as something like a ten-year-old an eleven-year-old nine-year-old the this kind of age is actually for many people what will mostly serve as this kind of go-to for the rest of their lives now what that means is um obviously people become much more

intelligent in life they uh you know they can become like you you become an engineer become a doctor become a lawyer now in the specialism they will obviously they're solving a technical problem a technical problem will be solved with the technical sphere that they are in and so if they're a doctor they will look at it with medical knowledge or an engineer or a mechanic or a lawyer or whatever but the moment they are removed out of their expertise and they face a different problem in life that isn't anything so a doctor facing a problem that's nothing to do with medical stuff or a you know an engineer that's nothing

to do with engineering that they say we fall back on the kind of ability that we developed as just young children in solving that it's a very kind of like an instinctual uh it's interesting and yeah and intuitive this kind of intuition that we have since our childhood i just thought that was very interesting since that's what you're saying about solving problems you know probably as a child you're probably someone very you know you said like i i always fall about trying to solve things logically and it is probably yeah you know maybe indicative of how you were as a child yeah

i remember my parents talked about how i would um when i was a child i would um talk to them in like a baby language kind of like gobbledygook but i'd have these really long and like uh really detailed conversations and i'd just be like oh yeah yeah one of those things it's like you mentioned where you kind of fall back on a child um i remember in the bible that mentioned um like uh just from i guess from my perspective um but jesus would would um

mention like uh you need to be like a child and i think um perhaps maybe it's it's a similar kind of um uh i like i like the word to describe i guess perspective um that you that um you don't like i feel like as as i've kind of grown up i i kind of understood i started to understand obviously kind of how little i know about everything but also um and then you as you kind of grow up i feel like you do kind of lose um something about being a child and i think part of it is yeah like you like you mentioned um but also

i think it's also that kind of um incessant incessant questioning um i feel like and i feel like for me i think it's kind of trying to rediscover that and like trying to find information and learn and learning and keep learning because i feel like that's such a that is the beauty yeah that is the beauty and you know you're saying i was actually reading from and about some of the uh from the gospel of mark from four and five and it's interesting that this you see this whole thing is so reflective in the gospels this whole thing of the disciples constantly questioning and

they're questioning in this inquisitive curiosity oh you know teacher uh how would the so in the gospel of mark beginning by saying that how how can the how can the kingdom of god come how how can it come like how you know where should we should they be kind of looking out how does it come and and jesus giving them this parable and and it's interesting because in the quran as well it mentions uh i i feel in many ways builds on from the same parable and also when we're speaking about jesus uses the term ayah which people sometimes translate as sign i mean aya can mean a verse as well of the quran but when in the quran when it's used sometimes it's people

translate to a sign but i think often it's more apt a symbol and it's because how jesus symbolizes and many things for them and these things are symbolic and obviously in the quran as well symbolic of god so jesus says well like the mustard seed and he says that this is smaller than any known seed and and this and he says that yet when it is planted uh he says it grows to outgrow all the other plants in the garden and it has great branches on which birds can come

and seek to nest now this jesus telling them this whole thing are first of all this curiosity that look what you're trying to seek it's not how you're expecting it but it will have a way of its own that's undeniably unstoppable and how it will be a mercy because they say that this the birds being the gentiles that they will also seek um you know benefit from this message of jesus and it goes on and you know just building on from what you're saying about child jesus then going over to what is it the i've forgotten what they call now the

girl but but the people he goes over on the boat and calms the storm but then when he goes over they see this uh this madman who just he wanders around by tombs and they say he's he's possessed and and and obviously they're looking to jesus and jesus uh speaks to this person and says well um he says to them that who are you and and the famous that i am legion for we are many that my name is legion for we are many and then he says to to cast them

out and there's some uh pigs near the near the sea and he says that and he's casting them into those pigs and and as he says that the pigs kind of go into the sea and it appears as though many of them have drowned and it's interesting that this whole thing this whole phenomenon of what's being discussed in in in mark 5 that from a psychological perspective where they discuss it that many psychologists speak of this as jesus like you mentioned speaking to them in a way that you see like you said like you have to

access that child because that child is what is hurting with them and in many ways here they were seeking this salvation from something that they feel is in them and when it's in them the only way to save them is it has to go out and so even many jungian psychologists and others discussed this that from their perspective that it's not necessary that they were these demons that you know i am legion my name is legion foreign many that this obviously legion rome as well you know the whole wrong kind of greater backdrop thing but that by showing them that look it's been

casted into these pigs because people believe that if something has gone in that it must come out and jesus addressing that in a symbolic way that would work and it did work and it's interesting i mean i i just because you're mentioning how jesus addressing this kind of inner child and because i was just reading about this whole thing recently i thought very fascinating but yeah so um yeah that's wow so what else uh stefan is is going on in your thoughts anything

you'd like to share yeah um gosh uh i can't really think of anything see if we put there you go that's it there you go i love it information i appreciate i appreciate everything you know just just just coming on sharing your thoughts um telling us a bit about your your story you know i always i relish kind of and really and cherish as well people's stories and i think i don't know maybe this is something just with age it's it's more i find it fascinating

even if to people sometimes they seem mundane but it's it's it's a person's story and yeah and i appreciate you coming on sharing that sharing your thoughts and and and you know just where you are at life so sure i mean i appreciate it yeah i mean like um like jesus used parables stories to kind of convey messages i think people's stories or like you mentioned they're also very powerful um and it's symbolic of something much greater than them yeah it symbolizes yeah because the story is so much greater than the person it's it's you don't remember the people you you remember

the story story about them a lot so true it's so true interesting isn't it yeah i know well authors authors are not p you don't remember how the authors were cause you you didn't live there when they were living but you do you can read their books you can access their thoughts and i think that's that's interesting isn't that is very profound thank you for that stephen and shukran thank you once again for joining us tonight uh do stay in touch and all the best right we'll catch you so it's very nice to talk to you likewise take care people that was stefan sharks from uh new zealand

all right so let me just take on another guest are we getting to later what we've got nowheres matani nawaz matanyama saying mothani where are you joining us from uh you're on mute i think you're on mute you

or your mic isn't connected or shall i i'll tell you what i'll nope not working i can i'll tell you what i'll remove you and then try and connect it and um pop back all right people nawaz multani something going on with the mic there uh there was let me see i'll share the link again

um so what do you mean so thanks for your subscribership can okay i don't know right okay there's the link let me check as motani fixed the issue let me add him back that's odd it's definitely it's not on my end

because i your mic isn't mute isn't muted from here so it must be on your end right maybe have a another go or something nope and i'll add you back maybe if you disconnect your your your mic sometimes what it is is that when you're connected when you fit it it gives you an up it gives you an option to select and if you select like headphones only then it doesn't let you use the mic depends if you're using a pc that is okay so that's uh okay

it's nawaz mike has probably gone yep it has i'll tell you what i'll share a link if anybody else um his bandwidth now i don't think it's bandwidth issues otherwise we can wrap this up if it's all good if you do come in remember to activate both your mic and the webcam so once it's it's both active it shows as active on my thing then i can bring you in okay so if you activate them both and i can then see you on this thing and bring you in all right so that's uh

right so okay we've got somebody else jumping on uh can't see the webcam activate if you can activate the mic and the webcam so i can see you i can't right so people nevertheless it's been it's been good chatting i was interesting getting recently there's been quite a few people from new zealand and so we've had some i'm i must say i'm very intrigued that and a few non-muslims that have come up now and that's like really wow okay

all right we've got someone here heider hey there let's bring you on assalamu alaikum i think you have to dip the camera i'll rather not for now because there's a lot of few people watching um but no movie i've watched your videos before and um i've been watching you for a very long time for a few years now since shooting a very small channel where where are you joining us from heider from manchester from manchester oh from manchester uk

yes um no i want to discuss with you because um uh i found a comment um very long time ago and i found it quite interesting he was talking about um um and uh uh and he was discussing well in the comment you said um that uh uh who basically he was in the right and that's in the wrong and it was due to his fault that these kind of who was saying that you

is this going to be that clip that you as in the you you me i was saying no no no no oh comment was saying that you wrote a comment on youtube i said this in a comment no so i uh okay i'm not aware of saying that what i said i've actually had a very lengthy clip it was like uh i think it was like a two-hour video on it so i uh in my thing i discussed the whole situation i took the conscientious objective stance that i don't personally with many which was the majority of the tab in not parting with any side not the

not saying because i said like war i feel was always going to just lead to disaster and crises like war was never going to be a solution so that was my stance i didn't stand by taking any of the side so i don't know maybe that comment i don't i don't know which comment it is but right well yeah we'll even put this to one side um because i know we'll talk about that kind of like the miley key kind of math hub as well then as um because it has a few questions on that um so you know um personally i completely uh i think the maliki math hub is a you know a very interesting mother because it's kind of two aspects to it you have like kind of a herai side

the intellectual side and you have more of the kind of knuckling perspective of the maliki motherhood and all these other scholars but if we check for example individuals like uh abu bakr himself even they do seem to be pretty uh anti-ali like so you know i mean how would you um view those kind of state i mean like abu bakr even ought to be supporting gazeed he doesn't support yazid you know this is a this is one of those kind of i don't know we don't call them now a lot of people say chinese whispers but this is one of those things that i don't

know what they call it today the political correct version of it but that it starts off as a rumor and then by the time it ends on the other side it's become a totally different story his imminent does not say any of this stuff that they attribute to him his book is imprint he actually praises hussain immensely and he does not do any of these things that they say and he actually this is yazid but you see what it is is that people later on some people's paraphrased his argument so one is what he's talking about and his argument gets paraphrased by later people and some people say ibrahim

paraphrased it and he shouldn't have used paraphrased it in that way so but even arabi has never said those words so some people say something like that they attribute to abu bakr al-arabi that his argument was that hussein be safety that hussain radhilan was killed by the sword of his grandfather right meaning the prophet now if a working army as far as i'm aware has never said anything like this but in fact in his imminent he discusses about the calamities that occurred after the prophet had passed and amongst the sahaba and then

obviously he discusses many of them and amongst them the issue of yazid and hussain radhilan and all these things he now his viewpoint in the end is the viewpoint of ibn abbas it was the viewpoint of muhammad it was the viewpoint of uh of ibn omar it was the viewpoint that he felt that it was uh that what hussein wrote the law and him going out he shouldn't have gone because he said he says that even abbas and these people gave him uh what was more strategic advice like

they said if you go you're going with just women family you're going to get all get killed don't go and he says that he didn't like he obviously went and so what vacation says that he he sides with those people the other thing is he does touch upon the debate now this is where it gets a bit emotional he touches upon the debate that does the ruler have the right to crush uprisings so he says that well a system is in place and they do have the right to resist it

with force so this is the as far as i'm aware of his seminal question but when he begins like in fact i i advise you to read it like um he actually begins he like a whole page he just praises said na hussain he speaks so highly of him he says that you know this and it's nothing like how people make him out that you know some people think he's like some kind of hated that's ridiculous nobody could hate no muslim truly i mean in i'm not talking about those who are alive in that time fighting because obviously if they were fighting i'm sure they're going to have problems with each other

but no muslim afterwards really speaking could ever hate the family of the prophet sallallahu alaihi i think that's that's you know it's it makes zero sense i do think that what's happened is people have sometimes you know they've kind of got a bit hmm you see the problem is i think it's it's rendered a bit of confusion because right the the family of the prof like let's say the shia they will say the family of the prophet were oppressed right right and they will now have a bad guy which is like bunny omega

okay and you see the problem is i think many sunnis have then not because the sunnis then will say well okay who were see the problem is in it to being fair when people say the bad guys were maya right many had historically extended it to also saying that includes sunnis so the problem is on that side they can have a narrative by saying look these people were oppressed these are

all the bad guys the problem is on this end who are the bad guys because they can't say ali radhilan and his the bad guys because that's not what they believe and so who are so how do they juxtapose it what do they put in parallel so this is where i think it caused a lot of confusion uh because some people felt oh um obviously you gotta imagine as well there's going to be an anti-shia sentiment as well in there as there's going to be an anti-sunni sentiment as well so this obviously makes the waters even murky and then people you know some

people defend certain things they've defended caliphs and but i don't think mostly sunni scholars have defended his eid okay i don't think mostly they have they have i think most of them refuse to call him a cafe but but i do i do think that by saying for abu bakr allah be saying that it's the right of the khalafar to um you know destroy the uprising or you know to stop the forage uh this is indirectly you know kind of indicating that you see this in the right because look if you look at this as well i understand the 50 perspective is bad but we have to look at the kind of

entire perspective of this because uh with one person alone will give the uh when he said to uh maori that you could be the khalif it wasn't just they are it was a treaty so i'm by the amazonian as well because i know people might think i'm shias sure okay doesn't matter even whoever i mean suddenly it doesn't matter because the question is legitimate see i i i would say this is if that is what's obvious to be honest it's been about nine years i think since i've read the book marshall um and i don't recall the details

okay if this is how i recall it that he doesn't say that this is how i recall that he's saying that he's taking sides with that hussein rodriguez shouldn't have gone because he put them in danger right uh that's what i recall but let's say let's go with uh it is how you're saying that he's saying that um he's justifying yazid's hakuma let's say um i would say this is okay my thoughts on that that first of all the the these are two different issues one is people accepting

in the time yazid as the ruler so when muawiyah kind of gives him is that a valid thing or is this illegitimate in islam i would say well that's valid it's not a good thing it's not a nice thing it's a wrong thing there is no inheritance of of leadership we are doing that was mistaken radial but he did it obviously i understand it you know at the end of the day it's his son and i'm sure he loved him immensely and so he gave it to him now and and that's obviously now yazid obviously wanting to be it

is this valid even if it's bad i i would agree that most sunni scholars say it was definitely valid because the sahaba accepted it people like ibn umar pledged allegiance it's in bukhari and all these things that's one issue which i would agree that it's valid i'm not saying it was good i feel it was wrong yazid should never have been half to start off with he was ineligible to be the caliph i mean there were so many people even if he didn't want to put it into the family of ali and there were other people abdullah opens obey there were all these other people if not there was all these yazid was not a candidate and his thing was just a disaster as the habit says he

says it was just riddled with disasters from being you know from bad to worse the assault on medina the the hussein radhiland the whole thing everything you know that his whole thing was a disaster so that's one thing but the validity part okay i would agree with the majority of the sunnis that you know if somebody becomes a ruler it's not invalid like they will just leave it because otherwise this is going to lead to more bloodshed okay the other thing and the important thing would if a rb is arguing this i once again i genuinely allah i genuinely don't know if he's i don't believe he's arguing

this but if he is let's say he's arguing that yazid was right to have hussein attacked i would 100 condemn that and disagree with it right because i don't believe they would have had any right to attack hussein or illinois definitely knowing that he's coming not with an army okay so if if he felt like let's say as any ruler that oh my god he's coming with something yeah he has the right to to you know to bring him in to talk to him to do these things to ask him what's going on but to have him attacked is an absolute atrocity and it's a tragedy of islam and if any person

whether they sungni or whoever has says that i disagree with that opinion of this uh strongly okay so you see it would have had no right if it's a different thing i i get the question if a whole army came to fight would he have the right to fight back and that comes back to a different question not that i would agree with yazid in any way but i'm saying that's a totally different question but here it was so clear you know the armies very clearly knew that hussein was in no position he was not with a kind of battalion or you know they were just slaves mainly and they were just family and stuff like this it wasn't really a thing so in that sense and i know some

sunni sources say that yazid didn't um command that that he only commanded him to be stopped right i feel that personally where i stand on on this i feel that um i don't know if yazid commanded for uh hussein radhilan to be martyred but i don't know if he commanded him personally i'm not convinced that he commanded that but i don't think he was that bothered either this is why i utterly condemn him i don't i'm not so certain he told them as some people feel that he definitely told him make sure you kill him kill

them all and other sunni say that he didn't tell them that i think zahabi and all these people bring these things saying that he didn't really say that and he claimed because later on he brought some of the women folk and he brought them to his his palace and he said that oh if i was there i would have stopped it and i never knew and obeyed kind of got carried away and i never told him to do this and but then he does he doesn't punish obeyed either so so the thing is that i feel that even if he didn't command it i'm not certainly commander but he i don't think he was that bothered by it i think he was to him it was like you know and i and i think that's you know it's a tragedy it's another tragedy in itself

right i mean i mean i understand your perspective um yeah but just to move on i mean on that though of course i definitely disagree with you saying that um because yazid was even though he shouldn't have been the khalifa because he was the khalifa therefore is valid i definitely disagree because from my understanding why i think there's two there's two perspectives to this i think the first perspective is is that um

in the treaty he did mention that um you know it shouldn't just be made by his own decision that should be you know consulted with a bunch of by the whole um nation as well and i agree with you yeah i agree with you i agree with all these things i agree that even in his time really it should have been i i actually feel if in that time i'm to say uh you know really i see at that time after lebanese obeyed uh because he already had people around him and they were already kind of working towards that and they had something in process and he's obviously i don't feel he's more virtuous than hussein radhilan but i feel he because

he had something in motion and it was there he is therefore more deserving this is why cyuti actually puts him as a valid cadillac and i believe i'm the life this way it was a valid case but i i just said from a this is look this is just a uh a philosophical discussion that right the muslims have had that look if a leader got in by force now that he's a leader should we all fight him and and and try and have an uprising against him or should we just accept it if let's say he got it by force now he's taken over by force but he's there now so what should we do

so generally the ulama their stance was that look fighting war is always bad so so long as we can still live just like this stance has generally been that we won't we won't kind of do an insurgency or uprising um i'm not saying that that has to be a universal categorical always throughout history but i'm just saying i can see why they say that in principle because all of the aliefs have been like that you know the the abbasids have come in like that everybody's coming whoever comes in just comes in by killing the other people and coming in i mean that's how they come in so to say that every person who comes in

is invalid uh then obviously for them you've got to understand that they're legit like you know then everything is like there's no law because the law is being you know allegedly coming down and saying there is no king right now so i get their argument i'm not that argument when i agree with it it isn't a reflection of yazid who i have the utter you know another distaste for uh at least to say if not you know repulsion but i so but i accept their principle they're saying that look ibn umar gave bayern because obviously it's in line with this principle but we're not going to fight because you know fighting just causes bloodshed it's

there's no good in war uh you know they're saying that look these people these sahaba did it if not bursted it so let's just go with it so i get that and but i'm not here to to kind of really support this kind of thing or i don't even to be to me the history it's happened the good has happened what's happened so i guess we'll move on from this then so that the next thing i want to go on to was i think you did mention you had a clip of this as well um and you were discussing when imam malik mentioned that he kind of chased the caliphate and then you mentioned oh well look if we're

going to criticize other sahaba then let's make it kind of unconditional okay so let's not place it for one standard then and christmas or these other sahaba are not criticized i would agree with you actually philosophically but i do disagree i'll tell you why because from my understanding the quran explicitly tells us we cannot even do this because it mentions uh clearly for me are purified so for this reason we can't uh even see that's the problem you see you see the problem is you're you're doing it you see you're doing sectarianism and this is the problem you may be doing it unconsciously but it's sectarianism and

this is the problem my my whole point of that video was i was saying that we shouldn't criticize any companions like i've got a video called should we criticize the companions and i discuss this in the and i say this two ways there's two doorways to take two pills if you like the red pill blue pill and i say one is where we just venerate everybody we only speak nicely of people because they were great people right and they've been before us and i say that's what i advise taking the issue is if we're going to if we're going to discuss this objectively um we have to look at the subject and i honestly know philosophy as well i have a degree in philosophy so you know i'm i

am very um up to date with these kind of objective uh kind of truths so the thing is with what's the objective truth here what's the objective truth here um so well if we're going to talk uh from my epistemology it would have to be your epistemology objective yeah what's the objective so my epistemological objective truths no objective is independent of your testimony yes how you ascertaining the knowledge of something what's your epistemology no no but you you said objective then it's subjective if you're so what is the objective truth what is the objective truth yes so my epistemology allows me to come to objective truths

no okay but i'm not that's okay but what is the objective truth here i'm telling you what okay sure but what is it specified about the objective i would put into three categories and this is in line with him he said and that is the first thing is empirical senses second thing is no no no put that put that aside i haven't got a problem with that tell me what the actual thing is example instantiated substantiated so it's mostly transmitted that um that you know then being purified so therefore we can't even uh try trying to try how is that sorry how is that

no but what you see no no because you you're almost so hang on hang on so we understand you i understand what you're trying to go you're trying to simplify oh we either criticize or we don't criticize and i yeah exactly now i understand your point i get it i would actually agree with you but the reason i'm disagreeing is because it's a premise the prophet saws pardon where's the premise yes the premise is is that you can't so what one one of the parameters okay which is which is making this more complicated and not as simple as we wanted to make it simplified is that the idea of islam or depending how how could no but how could look d do you

seriously believe that the person is do you believe this part of the story do you believe in the infallibility of human beings they can never make a mistake no no no non-profits uh mufti if you listen to what i said i didn't say masu i said any human being to be infallible beyond prophets so this argument that look wait say allah

by necessity because if they weren't muslim they could lie etc but with then he says okay and there's two types but he says the first type is that it's the same as mushroom so they cannot commit sin but is not out of necessity it's out of generosity okay and then the second type is is so let me get this right let me get this right okay the prophets have to be protected by god from doing it yeah but then there's other people who god doesn't even need to protect them they're so good they don't do it themselves they're in nature i didn't say they're so good what i'm saying is just said by generosity so

that means by virtue by their own virtue they themselves are infallible by allah mercy so let me get this right so you're saying that so they have a greater machamp than profits when i ever say this because by virtue if i'm saying that look i give i never for example you're misconstruing the argument you're saying that because

listen to me and then tell me if you're not because category a is prophets you're saying these people god has precluded prevented sins from coming to them so they don't it's not even about will or choice it's not it's destined they're protected this is this by destiny as in god has had to intervene and do this here now you're saying there's another category of people who god doesn't even need to intervene right because they by their virtue are so great they could never make a mistake because god has bestowed this favor i've never said their virtues so that sounds

more virtuous than i never said their virtue you must construe my argument i'm saying by god's mercy he can make individuals uh he didn't say he mentioned which can indicate the prophets could sin so okay if you believe in that i don't believe you know i believe the prophets are free from all major unminor sins i'm just saying that you want to use the quran

what look you see i i've got i haven't got a problem with you believing in whatever you want to believe yeah i have no problem with people you know you could say to me look i believe in this i believe in this i believe in this but you have to understand that the argument of infallibility whatever you want to call it to the majority of muslims that it doesn't make sense to us no but you can't kill the majority listen so no but i'm telling you as a core belief because the core belief in islam

look the point is that muslims generally believe all human beings have accountability and all human beings are susceptible to er and all human beings do make mistakes this is general islamic belief across mainstream muslims now i get it that you could disagree you could say look i am in line with the belief that all the whole the bloodline of the prophet is sacred and therefore the bloodline of the prophet are superhuman and can never make a mistake that's wrong it's not going to human okay they are super protected my food now the the thing with this is that this

super protection that they have most muslims you know just because look muslims love the family of the prophet but that doesn't mean they place them in in this kind of super human category they don't so they they love them with all their heart like now i don't obviously if you're trying to convince me or you're trying to convince me you're fine i mean you could come no no no no i don't believe in that so i don't i mean i don't know what the point is of this this whole thing look you see the because no no so you see the the the main discussion so what i'm trying to say is is that for me my imam malik when he said that statement i feel is

completely condemned i mean i don't understand how how um because i see he was a rational person as well i don't see who's entirely rational i think you're partially rational but um i do see you as a person who is genuinely trying to find the truth you see i've already answered that look i've said and this is a very rational look people who are watching this can make up their own mind i've got a video and you can watch the video for more detail i've said that there's two ways yeah two doorways two pills one says you don't criticize any companion you let it be you venerate them this is where i am this is the pathway i take yeah the other is that you say no we're going

to apply critical lens uh critical lenses and a a critique to all companions i've said then by that measure it applies to the more but it doesn't say well it's going to apply to omar before you just certainly applied to a man to not apply to you no but before ali you're going against your own premise because your initially was your premise was is that all humans make mistakes and then you're saying oh well let's take this other pill and that is yeah exactly whenever we all compound you yeah exactly but what's why is that why is that contradiction because i i clearly believe that all all the companions were human beings normal human beings they

were great human beings but they're human beings but if you're going to ask me look do i have to find mistakes in people no i don't have to do that why do i have to look but there's a person sitting around finding mistakes in there you have to accept you have to buy your own assurance admission you have to accept individuals like malik novada you have to accept these individuals as well by your own acceptance why don't i accept malik so you do accept malik as a muslim i do and i feel that personally i do agree that said um he did say to him that why did you kill him and he says i thought he he

he was going to attack me because he says he uses the phrase which uh the meccan arabic was used as a slang to attack and and in their thing it was about gathering and he meant gather the the other people not gather for an attack but the point is i i agree that uh you know people say that many sunnis have said for example there's two examples one is abdullah and another one is a prophet he mentions

hey look listen look listen do you really think we're going to resolve a sunni shiat how can we do it i don't like i don't believe we're not going to resolve it like this like it's not going to happen you know the only way we can resolve it the only somewhat is that we put differences aside and you try to move forward with like some love compassion and common ground you see the dialogue is a moot point because it just ends up with a point that we just disagree so it's not going to be like it's a great resolution you see we disagree on it

exactly this is my point move forward because i think the issue is there hasn't been much academic discussion in these kind of things i mean if you look there's always believe me i'm not going to get anywhere if you think if you think academia is going to resolve sectarianism i i wish it would i wish it's going to only be resolved by the hearts people are going to overstep academia and just see a human being and humanity and compassion and the fact that look most of the deen we overlap is dissimilar like okay you know this has all happened we can't change it whether a person

agrees with the the uh the the death of malik or disagrees with it it's happened now we can't change it you know now we are where we are number multistar what i'm trying to okay what i'm trying to say is you know sometimes when we make uh premises we do over simplification and the two pathways that you've given is an oversimplification of the issue because we have to understand but it's a pathway that works that's not what it does it works as purifying look i don't want to see we're going to get back to that point because when the quran mentions it's talking about the wives now you're

going to say well the wives are not from the family that's fine now we're going to come back to that same circular discussion i don't want to discuss it because to me it's like look where do we get with this you know where do you use the where do you okay you're a person of rationale you're a person of uh i think you're a person of rasool okay so so um so i'm not trying to insult anything i'm just trying to say i think you're a personable i don't know i don't think you're trying to insult me so um and by the way if i've come off as rude no i don't honestly i don't think you're you're being rude or anything i just i believe you're being very passionate which i think i'm you know what i i love to see people passionate about stuff and i love that you've got an uh immense

uh love and you know and i feel in many ways envious in in a nice way that you have this immense love for the family of the prophets and i think it's exemplary but i i understand as well that these arguments are not going to be resolved by you and me or because nobody's gonna because it's just basically we've got two sides of a perspective somebody sees that side somebody sees this side this is why i do try to promote saying look let's just leave it all to just veneration because you know and and look at the similarities we've got we've got so many more similarities than we've got differences so you know if we can just

move forward with that thinking look it's one god it's one prophet it's one quran you know it's like even if we disagree so what on certain interpretations don't everybody disagrees sunnis between themselves disagrees between themselves disagree uh i might read the quran and it hits me with a certain meaning somebody here might read it hits them with a different meaning this is the the powerful majestic nature of the quran so i think if we can move forward like seriously one thing i know for sure is that the message of the prophet salallahu salaam would have been and i know human things would have got in the way because human beings we're these human beings there's

going to be you know challenges and issues and uh but the the the message of the prophet would have been for people to to try and oversee to try and sorry to to to to sideline the differences that would have been the message so that's i i think i do honestly i i love that the the the passion where you're coming from obviously i disagree with the point of view but and i don't think it's rude i think obviously it's very contained because you feel that look all these people have been wronged and i agree with you that that statement of saying that sorry that statement of imam malik about says to somebody who

you know is so immersed absolutely in in this pure bliss of love for satan and i like i said i envy you on these things positive because i feel that that would be offensive to you i feel it would be offensive to many people i get that i also understand that imam alex said it i also understand that he had a context to it but i also get that maybe people won't agree with his context and other people will but it's just going to be that difference of opinion um but it's done everything is done you know we are in 2021 and we'll we can't change it

so this this is yeah so this is honestly i do uh in fact it's one of the things i want to bring on inshallah i'm trying to on one of my mind traps because i want to kind of try and create these bridges and saying you know there's differences but at least there's some you know here's a bridge how do people move forward because you see you know i do think a lot of the times you know you talk about the school of medina and stuff um and you know with kind of your your viewpoints and your kind of a soul i really do believe that you would have been better as a hanafi because i think you would have got away a lot more of your views um which are a lot more

against the majority jamboree i think this this is actually more in line with the the kind of you know early hanafi principles i mean i'm not talking about you know malikari or all these individuals but abu hanifa himself for example um so i was just trying to understand your logic and your perspective on these kind of issues i mean the maliki method is there to be honest and you know anybody i obviously i do love the method but anybody wants to study it's the its principles all known its scholars are known its attitudes have been well known to be honest if anything i think my attitude uh not my attitude my my tabi are my nature does gel well with the school of medina i feel that they've always had

these kind of my thinking at times is a bit maverick and they've always had these kind of maverick scholars they've well rushed and stuff right yeah no but but write down really if you if you look from imam malik himself look how he his principle of muslim welfare it goes it's so you know blind it's like wow you know he's somebody who's saying yes you know the rule says this but what about the welfare and people are like what the hell you know it like shocks them his thinking is so out of the box sometimes yeah it's like somebody asked me the other day about um and i sometimes out of like i said i may not practice certain things like somebody asked me the ruling of

uh you know wearing something with like the name of allah or something in the bathroom and because imam alex fatwa once again still thinking it's out the box he says well he says what's wrong you don't need to remove the ring that has the name allah on it and his put his point was that well you're you are just in nature and god is everywhere anyway like why would you need to remove it like the prophet had a ring and he says you know he doesn't believe we have signed narrations the prophet used to always remove it and look at his thinking so kind of radical and yet uh even though i personally find a

kind of disinclination to do something like that you know with the name of god but i can see his thinking even when people say you know you should do he says well don't remove the ring you know what even if water doesn't get underneath you don't remove it like a such maverick way of thinking because he says well you only go by the apparent the rings the apparent wash over the ring and it's it's this whole maslah thing going right on to people right through the school who speak of things like like purzuli speaking of the changing of punishments in islam because that's what the sharia wants to obviously ibn rush like you mentioned to other ya to all these kind of people are just so awkward

to be another you know um all these people are just so i feel right down to ibn ashur of lassen i'm actually surprised you mentioned i think he was quite traditional in his uh i mean i did readers as she fought i didn't i didn't agree with a lot of his points i thought a lot of his points were kind of um problematic like the black magic point and all these other things yeah i really felt was wrong yeah yeah i mean they obviously they are a product of their day and age um right yeah it doesn't mean that they but they you see agree with the maliki thing that's gone before them with all the disagreements they kind of honor them and agree with them and that's the kind

of open-mindedness that i but yeah these are all things to learn hey there it's been epic chicago much love i appreciate you no no no i haven't honestly and shook him for coming on uh people that was from manchester hey there well we did get a bit carried away in that discussion i see it's been quite a while let's wrap this up people it's been epic chatting yeah i but that was my summary i genuinely feel that uh honestly i agree with a lot of people that say i agree with the sentiment that the family of the prophet islam um many of them were oppressed but i also

agree with well nothing can be done now it's this is history you can't undo history you can't say well you know this person this happened to him let's undo it and just talking about it i don't think creates a a bridge i know i wish it did but it doesn't because all it does is it then triggers the sectarian sentiment and people back forth back forth they're just hating on each other and yeah so i do my message is that look if anything can move you out of this it's not going to be academia in my perspective it's going to be just love okay ironically the very thing that the

argument is over love for who as in it's all about love in essence and if we just return to that foundation of love we can find a solution people um let's wrap this up right shukran those of you that have tuned in for this long if you haven't already well okay if you haven't already liked and subscribed people do that um the usual there you go the world is what your thoughts make it allahu akbar that was right there sibo way people those of you that want to connect somebody did ask me a question musti if i want to connect with you well there you go if it's just simple questions

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