My Thoughts on the Discussion with Veedu Vidz | Mufti Abu Layth

all right let's take some let's see what the folks are saying how's your discussion with video made you rethink your ideas or was it a bad day in the office [Music] [Laughter] hi my discussion with Vida vids was really good I thought I enjoyed the discussion I think though if I'm gonna be honest I think that's it's a good point to begin tonight's session

evaluating some of that discussion I think as an observation I'd like to make an observation yeah you're observing you know I do observe you know so the observation people is that you see the problem with I think atheism a problem sorry let me rephrase that a problem with atheism ex-muslims Inc included in that is that you see

they ironically have substituted Dogma for Dogma but that I find many of many people and I find this with people in general regardless of people of religion or the lack thereof that they are people of dogma they're not very they're not a very philosophical people that I find this unfortunately with most people and X Muslims or atheists in general aren't

much different just because they've thought about religion which I applaud them for and they've been critical towards religion and I applaud them for that but it's a it's naive to assume that they are very well balanced Ness thoroughly in this in their analysis so now discussing for example in that discussion with waves the fact that there was this this failure to recognize to even just recognize this that when

you say truth you do understand that there is an arbitrary as an arbitrary parameter to what you'll say now the fact that that wouldn't even resonate to me just showed like a sense of dogma you see because first of all I discussed in that I said just coming to that discussion with v2 vids I mentioned that when you say things like do you believe

Islam is true now sorry he said like do you believe yes he said I believe that was the the question it may have been worded slightly different but do you believe this to be true and I said well you see it's interesting because what does that mean truth because do I believe it to be true I do believe it to be true now how are you and where does that question girl because you can only assess something the truth a truth claim can only make sense if it can be

assessed and how do you assess something like this this isn't a maths test that you can assess it what is it and they said no well actually you can assess religion and I said well how how would you assess religion because you can assess it through historicity and the overwhelming evidence does demonstrate that the Prophet Muhammad did exist okay I mean that's something you could assess possibly through archaeology and sociological historical kind of findings

okay so you put that aside well what are we saying now what what next I mean how do you assess something you see and and the failure to accept this or to even recognize these and then we had this discussion on you see they said well does it correlate to because there's many things in the Quran that don't correlate with our sense of reality right now and I said that's true but you are how are you reading the Quran are you reading it as just prose

because would you read poetry in the same way would you say poetry is not true does that does that and and the person said well and I and I said things like would you read art as not being true because you see it's a non meaningful statement it doesn't mean much in that context those contexts are not assessed by the term true yes I mean in some sense they could be you could have a complete mythology so for example somebody could say well there was a religion that began 20 years ago and you say well actually historically we can't

ascertain this so okay so there's a claim of historicity or the person could say something absolutely categorically incorrect let's say let's say they said in mathematically the the religion said oh one and one equals four and we don't mean we mean this literally and you say well that doesn't add up okay fine or they make claims of science all of assessment that you assess but when religions don't speak about things like that so whenever religion speaks about the soul this is not I mean tilde

this is not an assessable statement you could say well I accept it or I reject it but to say that's not true it's actually quite dogmatic and arrogant because how do you assess truth on something that is unattainable inaccessible as we stand so because the soul could just mean consciousness I mean it could mean consciousness or it could mean something else according to other people but my point is if you're gonna say well the religion is speaking of an afterlife well an afterlife as of our standpoint

is inaccessible so how can you claim how can you put a truth claim to it I mean you could say I believe in it or I don't believe in it that's fine but you can't measure it and then we spoke about things like you see I mentioned things like idealism to highlight to them that look our measurements in and of themselves are very limited and we have to at least be honest and I mentioned things like you know could you even and we got onto this thing about sound and music and and I was actually quite

surprised that this you know it was a basic thing of really physics and and science but it wasn't being acknowledged in that dialogue that sound isn't actually it doesn't have a reality the way it's just how we're interpreting vibrations it's not it does not have an objective reality so the fact that this statement of mine is me is very difficult to digest shows either ignorance in which science or it just

shows a kind of very rigid dogma because once you see this world truly speaking if we're objectively speaking is colorless its soundless it doesn't have sound it's iffy it's you know the world is nothing like what we are perceiving it to me if we are speaking from a position of external objectivity so let's just be honest I mean that's the world is not how any other see so I mentioned that you see and you wouldn't expect God like let's say if

if you do accept the transcendent you wouldn't expect God to address the world how it truly is because in its true objectivity we can't relate to it it would it would be meaningless for us because we would think it's absurd but it's actually the truth so yes I mean so I think that was important to address that because but I do find if I be

honest and I love honesty not look at I'm sinning you're the I just can't be a hypocrite this is I can be many things but not a hypocrite this this won't be problem I find that that many X Muslims they to have now become tribalistic with this new identity of X Muslims and the truth is that they have become not at

this stage but this is the beginning of a new Frankenstein you know it's like how Nietzsche said that beware when you fight monsters lest you shall become a monster and I fear that this is the beginning of the very thing they set out to combat and that was dogma so that's the that's the my perspective that said I do accept that religion you'll

probably get you know if I suppose atheists compared to people who follow of religion or a you know it's this proportion of ratio because the majority of the world follows some kind of a religion so it can't be accurately assess but if if you were to take a random kind of pick your atheist will definitely be somebody who is at least more analytic towards religion and philosophy then your common religious

person because that's true that religion unquestionably institutionalized religion definitely pushes dogma I mean it doesn't just resulting dogma it pushes dog my pedals dogma so by that's it's bread and butter dogma although atheists are meant to be people very antithetical to dogma I fear that they too will just end up with another version an alternate version of dogma on that note I would like to somebody polyp had actually asked me I'm not sure if

he's tuned in but right somebody's asked about veganism I'll I'll come to that in a moment you see Polly but asked a question about what I'd said in my discussion with video vids about meaning and just if I could elaborate on that slightly you see what I was saying is that for two atheists if everything is simply the

coherence of randomized matter and phenomenon and that's all it is so randomized phenomenon has simply coherently merged and fused together then meaning has no meaning you understand everything collapses and I I this is my assessment as as somebody who does have faith I fear that you see we you began by saying look religion

doesn't make sense so I will seek the truth and the truth is something which ought to make sense but if the truth in the end is nothing there is just nothingness which is means there is no meaning to anything you see the answer to absurdity cannot just be the absence of an answer that is not a an answer that that's just that there is nothing but the fact that we are trying to seek meaning and seek

truth to me demonstrates that they must be meaning hence we can seek it and find it and this is the argument that we call the intelligibility of being itself being with a capital B here that the intelligibility of being demonstrates that meaning must carry value in what they must be meaning in stuff you understand so I don't know if you guys if that makes any sense to you or if you know I don't know my pre-workout drink

is just still running but nevertheless I I hope that makes some sense that you see when people problematize religion they are looking for the truth meaning that which is equates to equals they must be something meaningful that adds up if that result is simply that there is nothing that there is no answer that there is it's all random then the concept of meaning itself becomes random

and drops that there is no meaning the meaning in and of itself becomes redundant so it turns back on itself I don't know if you guys can understand this yeah yeah Miko is yada yada yadi which ezel Oh am I just on a level of my own am I just a expert master level yet anyway what is