Prof. Dr Mir Faizal | Solving Scripture through Science | MindTrap with Mufti #22

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episode 22 to episodes ago it was so such an incredibly profound dialogue that we had it was I mean I thought it was absolutely mine kind of glowing yet people despite the profundity of the topics people loved it absolutely so right just bringing in our guests uh Salaam aleikum professor how are you

doing how are you doing I'm good I'm good little al hamd shokran first and foremost for sharing your time your thoughts with us for coming back and really enlightening us with such a complicated kind of area and arena of science thank you to the pleasure talking to you okay alright so tonight we want to take a look at a lot of the topics to do with the science and

or and that's a five if I've got us correct that is correct so it would be how I look at Iran how do I get inspiration from Quran and how do I draw meaning from Quran we wear with a scientific outlook so there would be a specific methodology that I would be applying maybe should I talk about that Mufti that's okay show of course so war is the methodology professor fire away tell us what's going on behind what's the mechanism the method behind the madness you know when we are approaching this question of

really Jeff of scientific interpretation of scripture specifically let me talk of scientific interpretation : you are making a subtle assumption there and if you if you don't take one of the two assumptions then you will run into inconsistencies I mean one of the assumptions are one of the ways of reading scripture is that the meaning of Scripture gets actualized at the early generations so the final meaning is understood by prophet and his companions at the oh and the old scholars and that's it now if you take this approach then to take us then it tend to go back and say well this verses scientific would not be a correct approach to take

because surely those people did not understand that things we understand about science it is impossible to assert that any of the scholars in pass the Sahaba or even the Prophet would have understood it I mean when when it comes to worldly things prophet is a human as he is itself asserted in one of the hardy traditions that I like I don't generally take her the tradition for this one I particularly like which which which hadith is of the one about the Prophet being a human yeah so then he said you know when he suggested that cross pollination is noise not to do cross pollination and then there was not

a good yield and you said well you know this is oh yeah sure I mean the hadith is with the Prophet I believe it is actually in I believe it's in Buhari actually if not in Muslim but it's one way the Prophet walks past them and they are doing a beard which is the cross-pollination of the of the kind of of the agriculture and the Prophet says he kind of finds it strange that they're doing that like it he doesn't rebuke them he just says what

are you doing like he and and they think he's telling them you shouldn't do it so they choose not to and there isn't a harvest isn't that well that year so they complained to the Prophet and they say that you know well you kind of looked at it strangely so we refused to do it and and the Prophet says well why did you do that I never told you to stop doing it and he says antem alamou bo Mauritania come you know you are better versed well when it comes to matters of your world of your dunya and yeah so I think yeah I mean

even if in the sense that even in profit made he's like oh you know we have to look at profit in you as a human being so even if he said something he could have some said something not as a revelation from God in his human capacity and he can make mistakes and that's fine he can neglect the understanding that he would have of that it would be strange to assume profit to be this all-knowing him think that only belongs to God profit is a human example and a very wonderful human example for us but if you take this other approach then in this approach as pure foreign States in surah 75 verse 17 that God takes upon himself the collection but then it doesn't stop the earth it goes on to say

some malign abuyin against verse 19 of the same surah so if you take this approach in this approach the idea is that profit has the responsibility to probably to propagate the Quran to recite the Quran God will and after a time has elapsed God will explain it which seems to me to be a better you know better approach towards a Quran because for all practical purposes as to discussing this with my friend also Quran is a were killed for $0.07 here if you read Tao writes perfectly suited to the needs of the time if you read Gospels it's beautifully situated to the

needs of the type but as I will illustrate there are Festa catted arguments in Quran which we are no relevance to you know immediate address sees and they would have understood it in using the I take would have understood part of those things using or maybe misunderstood it using the traditions of the time but then that's fine but let's also we come to this second point so the first important point is that for me the meaning of Quran does not get actualized at the time of prophet or the companions or wife are fresh and the time by new scholars it had it historically unfolds if because Quran is multi-layered meaning one one version of that meaning

it's an unfolded but there is a point what we're trying to say is that it's it's got this dynamism to it that people will continue to extract meanings from from that verse yes and it becomes relevant to every age so so you were so so if there are n you know people who order stick to we will only stick to that estatic of salah they possibly switch off they will get that across [Laughter]

future and I am i you are the future professor you are the fear now let us come to another thing it goes back to what I am saying that Quran to this multi level meaning of Quran Quran has an inbuilt dual structure to it you see almost everything in Quran almost all these descriptions if not everything then almost every describe every description of this sort can be understood using in a judeo-christian way or using the traditions of the time perfectly understood in that you can

have a perfectly consistent judeo-christian reading of Quran which would consistent with judeo-christianity and which would be consistent with the traditions of the time or you can have a perfectly scientific reading of the buna and both of these readings are some intensity possible even though both of these readings can contradict each other but the validity qet of quranic language Quranic language is not that rigid it's so fluid then you can actually read the Quran in these two contexts so there is this dual reading possible so I am NOT saying basically that reading is negated but as I will show you that there is an alternative reading of Quranic verses and interestingly this alternative

reading is 100% consistent with science so some people can come up and you know and say well this is not how Allah understood it and this is not how scholars of hold understood it I never am claiming that scholars of old are and don't understand it this way all I'm saying is that they would understand it possibly in terms of a judeo-christian understanding and the prevalent understanding of the time and we will understand it differently and both of them are consistent hmm I see so it's not a contradiction to understand the Quran in scientific terms today despite one could ask and they do that oh are

you saying if you've understood let's say let's say you understood something about I don't know the multiverse based or the Big Bang based on the Quran now surely the Companions of the Prophet didn't understand the Big Bang necessarily in that way so this is what you answering isn't it you're trying to say well that's fine because both perspectives are still consistent future generation would come up and say Faisal misunderstood it and that's people asking what we're talking about today we're talking about the Quran and science people the Quran and science

that's what we're talking about so first of all if you take this approach the approach I'm taking that Sumer lineup Ayane the meaning of Quran will be okay we will be except for will and you know explain the meaning of Quran in future the then word the and then take this idea that you can have this do everything Coronel distill reading maybe one of these days in future you know move tea and make and discus miracles and I can again show you how one reading and moved he can show you in in a better way that how one reading is completely consistent with judo Christianity and a different reading is completely consistent with science but take the big day taking this

structure there I will add one thing that there are subtle hints to the Quran there are subtle hints within the Quran that the scientific understanding is the more correct understanding but this understand

so yes so you're saying there's some indications Allah meeya Kochi Sarika science ayats with in the ayats ayat in ayats neroon Allah Allah Allah so take it away professor take it away what's so I mean before I do well on to the main topic so I will be discussing somehow earth I will be discussing evolution and I will be noticing almost I thought you almost snapped your finger then there's a third moment I was like professors press is really taking this

passionately just snapped a finger back according to the laws of quantum physics it reappears over here so come to this particular idea like you see Quran also very clearly indicates that there are structures that Quran is discuss saying that people at that time and if it's addressing directly profit at the time did not know for example in surat 36 verse 36 quran says that God has created piers and everything from what

they do and one and then goes on to say that from what they don't know I mean it says well from everything that grows from the earth which I of course take as you know half of the life is sexual and half of the life is actually produces sexually and asexually that's a nice bearing but but then it goes on to say and from things that they do not know we know right now that for every matter particle there is an antimatter particle and photon B has its own antiparticle and if supersymmetry is true that's the second pairing on top of that then every particle has its super party or particle but we don't know if supersymmetry is true but even if it's not true matter and antimatter we know for sure like

every particle has its antiparticle we know it and there are of course supersymmetry is true we would have a second pairing and there can be other pairings that even we don't know but surely this fear even that swearing is above everybody's bearings for every matter it's an antimatter particle but universe is predominantly matter we don't understand why and but the important point here is coral clearly says among things that we do not know when there were things that people did not know will pass like matter antimatter we know it now and if supersymmetry is true that

would be a second pairing but there may be other pairings that we also have what you're talking about is where losses way he's saying Oaxacan alchemist were Jo these kind of verses we he's saying that you have been made in pace and you're taking it to the extent of saying well breaking it down to the molecular level with these particles and antiparticles this is what we are saying yeah yeah but what I'm saying is that in verse 36 of surah 36 Quran clearly states there are peers among things that you do not know so it the knowledge is not like laundry doesn't get summed up at the time of

prophet the other things for example take work surah 27 verse ata Quran clearly states that you think mountains are still but they pass away like passing of clouds now it's clearly paying to Arabs that you think that they have fixed structures but they're not there with the ring and there you know it's a really nice metaphor to compare mountains and clouds because you see clouds formed due to this temperature gradient you know it the wall water is due to the water cycle which is drawn by a temperature gradient like you have the water vapour going up and then clouds form and then they wither away because of the rain and because of Earth's you

know the motion of Moshe like my motion mantel inside earth mountains are forming and they are breathing away so it's a nice metaphor here between mountains and clouds but it's clearly telling Arabs you you see them as still they're not we know now they are not still very clear very interesting way of looking at it then another place where Quran for example use this subtle hint where you can have a dual reading but there is a subtly Quran says son wrote it son and all celestial bodies rotate around their axis but Quran does not say it rotates around or you see a single word earth would have rendered the word

sunshine very good point so verse says wash em so thoroughly must occur ilaha that the sun flows in a set obeyed but it isn't state that around the Sun around the earth whereas it could have been people in its day and age would have accepted it because that's how they would have perceived yeah so you can see this dual reading of Quran possible that you kid the people in that age could have seen it as rotating around the earth whereas we can see it rotating around the galaxy but a single word a

single word would have rendered us Quran and like this in turn would have been you would have been game over that's all yeah I don't know how although some people still arguing that you know the Sun going around the earth I mean people are still there's no in fact it was a question here by by Cuzzi or Imam cuz I saying please present the question that the Earth rotates I mean this is an absolute given isn't it the earth

rotating I mean I don't know why because apparently some scholars from the Indian subcontinent challenged it and not that they are astrophysicists but they challenged anyway they like jello jambe you know so they challenged it and and people today out of allegiance to the imam like so Imam Ahmed Raza Han really has a book challenging saying that the earth standstill I think is called thousand Mubeen or something and so his supporters today will argue in defense of that I mean yeah the fact that he does account would say something like

that I don't I mean I don't worry would discuss he was not it like it said at the beginning of this century so yeah yes so I think 20th century he was beckoning I think early nineteen hundred's we were already in the next century the beginning of the past century so definitely not not not a very intelligent person to say something like that but this I do think I saw a very

horrible video where some or some scholars had gathered and they were trying to preach children that Earth is stationary of what reaching I saw this I saw this kind I think should become criminalized I mean freedom of you are you criminalizing yes you cannot have three children wrong you can't reach them any opinion you cannot teach children wrong facts this is just gyrating I agree with you but come to this come to back over yeah so so I'm just acting as a quick somebody is just asked you

know people who say the earth is flat that I mean that obviously that's dumb but what some of the immediate your immediate response to something as as intelligent as that that the earth is flat as in Flat Earth is not not the value to various places on the earth and travel throughout from wherever you were from London to China and then China to us and then take another flight and you will come back wait a minute if it was flat I'm sure they could still do that

could they could still go professor is an expert in quantum physics such deep things you need to ask him questions on his level know is the earth flat flat earther people end up laughing on people who talk our Flat Earth what they don't realize people who rebuked theory of evolution or people who are speaking against theory of evolution they're doing something as stupid because your evolution is all too else or being not

do that ok so even if the people who are I mean most people would laugh or people who would say earth is flat but then they would not laugh on people who rebuke evil theory of evolution but theory of evolution is just asthma as scientifically verified but let's come to this by the way speaking of earth being flat you know I think the Hulk and fusion comes from this verse in Quran where it says that earth is spread like a car now hello for me it's yeah for me it's beautiful words because you see what is the carpet carpet is like a thin sheet you spread on any concrete floor or ground or something which is thick to make where you're sitting on it more

easy and make living on it more easy and if you look at the crust of Earth it's really thin and if you see down I think you'd is really hard and the mantle and the poor is really part and answer line cannot be sustained on it so if you look at this like a clean carpet this crust is been spread around is really hard wanting a hot mantle but this is something I this is something I think you are maybe I'm I'm guessing that people in the past would have understood because they could see volcanoes erupting from and then there is this whole idea in many mythologies that the hell is underworld

it's under the earth so this idea that the earth there's something hot and then earth is a small carpet on top of it I think this is one idea that unlike mountains passing away like clouds I think maybe this is my guess that the people in that age could have guessed hmm I mean this kind of verse like the one in surah Luqman or a basalt all that this basalt that Allah has made this earth for you like a basalt which is like a carpet or something laid out basalt or means to lay out I think in many ways is what people would have just understood that to mean that it's being kind of as it was me it's laid out for

you as in you can't reverse it you can go through it you can travel I mean I think just that the common sense understanding would kind of suffice as in I don't think they necessarily saw that to mean right earth is flat oh that you know some something so complex or you know they just understood that you could travel throughout the earth yeah and for me when I look at the structure of Earth for me this verse gets meaning in terms of the fact that like you have this thin crust crawling mantle and you know hold the hot underneath and this is like a carpet spread around in a very in a pure it's a

beautiful matter however the peers to be mountains aspects against now this is something very important Mountain Quran says we have mountains aspects so that it does not shake with you now there are two claims one is that mountains are like pegs which many Muslims clearly correctly point out that your mountains have deep roots like pegs are supposed to have deep and that but then there is a second coming and this is really critical okay the second that mountain somehow stop Earth from shaking so you could understand it as mountaintop persons question the now the real question is do two mountains two

what do we know okay people the problem building up the suspense for building up the suspense people stop weeks many with Muslim websites claim yeah we have and then they refer to another waste lambic website and i go to that others islamic website it refers to a third its public website the reality of the man if we keep on going until this an earthquake

the matter is there is some research done especially as late as 2020 indicating that mountains seem out specifically big sea mountains might might you know who might reduce the magnitude of earthquakes but there are research is indicating both ways so we don't know there is indication that that might be true but to say that we have verified scientifically that see my own firm mountains reduce earthquakes this is not a factually correct statement the real thing is as of 2020 from what I have read and from what I've seen of science in scientific papers the real real status of this element is that we

don't know it doesn't say that mountains bounced offer wakes it doesn't even but it doesn't you know there is some indication that they might stop earthquakes but but let's be truthful and it's really a very important to be honest France you speak the truth I remember correctly that is very well said that we shouldn't that even if there are certain verses we should just let's not just totally jump to glory let's take things a step at a time you know there's going to be things that we're not so sure about but they're not discredited either they just the it

speaks about last saying look we have placed the these mountains are something that the verses seem to imply as though something firm now one understanding could be that it gives firmness to the two to the ground another understanding could be that they in and of themselves have been placed in a firm manner but if we take the scientific meaning there is no what you're saying is there is no clear-cut evidence but still maybe time will tell yeah what I'm thinking is that this particular idea that mountains reduce earthquakes which were the worse might you might see as a direct indication

from the world so that it doesn't shake with you so it says that we made mountains s bank so that it doesn't shake with you this clearly indicates that if Iran is trying to assert that mountains reduce earthquakes do we know it scientifically we don't the idea is that there is some indication that that might be true especially for the sea mounts as of 2020 there are some Papers written but it's not something that has been established so we should be very careful in saying there is high probability but maybe we need to do more research on it maybe if somebody you can get motivated and study geology and work on this ss PhD thesis write some papers

then maybe we let alone reading papers you're the only person here out of all of these people that is gonna be reading papers let alone reading papers we thought we're not people who read anymore there's just way too much to watch on TV so before somebody some of these Islamic websites can come up and state that we have confirmed that mountains cast a you know to reduce the magnitude of earthquakes they need to

get up there do some research for maybe five years 10 years 10 10 s if they can I see I see very very being very honest like this is really important because when it is the genuine things are also disconnected when you are being dishonest and you state things that are not true you're genuine things are also dispirited and it's not e difficult in present-day for anybody to come up and discredit what you're saying as wrong I mean if you make some actual errors like you might make errors in terms of you not having proper understanding or you missing something then people can come up and correct you but this is one thing that

people can see that this person has made a sincere error and another is that this person had no idea and he's just inventing or is it deliberately misrepresent think that's a different question for speaking of this for example I saw this video somebody some Christian said about video you've watched I was gonna say now everybody can relate in a way and he was the one where he says that theory the

theory of evolution I'm a medical doctor you should be very carefully not like whatever you actor you should be very sure and you should not just rely on some this is again important for them all the audience don't rely on either you know either Islamic websites or websites that are again system who do your independent research try to see if you can come up with something and then you can say well I agree with this point I don't agree with this point that is fine I sometimes disagree with my own points every year and that's fine you

argue with yourself yeah though say it again after some time I realize that is wrong and I write another paper with my point of view saying how wrong I was in my first but that's that's the evolution of knowledge if I do not get any every view like if at least one of my view doesn't change in a year then I think I have made no progress in that year see take inspiration people take inspiration from professor that's how you make progress right but let's so this is so this is really important now with that

with that you know with that man with that formulism of my methodology like what kind of methodology I am applying I want to address some specific points which I have actually discussed with me privately some of this frozen down people private car let's come to this thing let's come to specifically you know there is this there is this naive way people approach creation of heavens and earth and creation of Earth in Poland they say well in one place Quran says through the Quran God created heavens and earth in six days in another

place when you add up the days it comes to eight days what is going on and some people they say conquered get basic calculus right they go well according to some beliefs that gods only got two fingers and he was something so morphic kind of humbly so how many times how many times can you keep counting on two

fingers if you want to describe God in that way what they do is they associate meaning from language they say God has two fingers but we cannot say anything so then you're not really understanding anything so it's at the association of meaning and then making linguistic forms do any mean I mean so I think I say so in case they thought you know like he's counting the days his fingers and if he's only got two

how many is gonna come let's come to first of all one thing that is very clear from Quran like in verse two receving to verse 54 God says that I am is fifty thousand days in verse 22 sorry verse 22 so sorry sooner 22 verse 47 it says I am is 1,000 days in another surah

2 verse 185 it says I am I am is your normal I am of 24 I want a young means there is plural of young there is okay one thing is clear that the way they are used in Quran it just signifies a period of time not necessary 24 just any period of time fifty thousand ten thousand one one's lifetime you can get various examples from within this so I'm not like for many of my interpretations to be justified I will justify it from the context of Quran so this is very potent so then people cannot say where did you get this from I got it from Pune so self say you know I am self referencing

France so when you when you take this idea that Yom is any period of time you know it can be thousands of years or days anything it could be 1 billionth of a second or one trillionth of a second it can be it's a period of time so period of time but one thing that was interesting is that rather than a period of time which has is which bear some distinction to other people that is now the first as let's not take these things above earth being created in two days universe being haven't set up in created in six days seven heavens we created in you know two days and the spread of

disturbing resources on earth four days let's take it one pipe sure just come and try like breaking things down let's break it down and see what is the information and then see if that's true accountability what was God doing in these days to potala ganya let's try to let's try to take meaning so the first thing is earth is created in two days it says that in verse surah 41 verse nine so two periods let's say two people were just created into people because we have already established you I am can mean a period so it has earth

being created in two periods it also says in surah 54 verse 1 that the moon has split and the day of judgment comes so has more being split from interestingly there what we know now is that there was a ProTour some 4.5 billion years ago and there was another planet for Thea and they collided and because of this collision moon split from Earth and this occurred for for 4.5 billion years ago and so the creation of Earth occurs in two stages one is prequel Legion float or and then there is the collision with TIA moon splits apart and then there is the fourth collision

so yes this could also refer to the in shackle comer of that the moon has split up moon verse 54 54 verse 1 when it says moon was split it never says profit split them that's what tradition says if the verses profit split the boot and in some traditions and it fell on target but anyway it just says moon it like this statement by itself moon has been split is completely correct yes moon was flip when TR collided with earth 4.5 million years ago yes Earth has been created in two

periods post-split priests play two distinct video just to be clear for some what we're saying is proto-earth so this is the kind of the pre earth structure that we know now in which the moon was a part of Earth this is what was a pro tour of course there was a part of the earth this are this proto earth collided with another planet which is for here there was a collision and one of the debris from that fully confirmed the moon well okay

I'm not going to details this is but this is this is what we're speaking about is you know this is its scientific it's not something we do when you want the professor's go to the Lille this is pretty much well established interestingly the water from Earth came from this planet here that possibly originated in the outer parts of solar system came and collided with earth and

granted there are rocks which push to bring out water in surah Baqarah come to that might affect german whole and half in the mean my fellow German Alma this is yeah yeah about about that they are certain rocks but it begins about speaking about the heart I like rocks or should the swine majority but some rocks you know rivers will even gush out of them and some will tear open open to bring out water so yeah so P I did burst

out which is interesting but then move this lets people might argue that the people do not understand it it passed this way I understand people but all I can say is that this statement that earth-moon has been split from her let's say from her is completely 100% correct statement and the statement that earth was created in two periods is a hundred percent accurate state whether you want to say that that verse right that we're talking about is I mean one of the places that this is you're referring to surah fussilat are you do you disbelieve

yes verse 9 that do you disbelieve in in he in God who helical or the fee your main okay who created the earth in two periods of time okay that's what we're saying yeah but to say in in the same surah suggested just to be clear you're saying the two periods or first proto-earth and then commoners

pre-college inert and then there's a our our post collision with monk a post collision okay whoa let's come to this thing that intersect whatever surah 41 verse 10 it says it says that and I wish I was a computer like that verse 41 number two yep so carry on professor sorry surah 41 verse 10 yeah yes

yeah carry on yep sorry yeah surah fatah 40 wealth is for Siletz is wrong yeah 41 verse 10 yeah actually I am okay so this is to do with it begins with the mountains which are áliveá riwasa menfolk aha and that they had what was kind of stabilized in from above it it mentions WAPA rockefeller Annie Annie blessed it well cut the raffia and set out in it a quarter had

provisions we are but I am in four days yes so how many geological like there is the ad on which is the first period of 4.5 - I mean 4.6 4.5 to 4 billion years when earth is all heart and volcanoes and this is very this possibly no signs of life or very primitive life some like some people I have said that there might be very primitive life that's the Hadean and then there's the arch here where you have primitive life and there then

there's the Protoss here's your Proterozoic period then there's the phanerozoic p these are four periods so in the first period adn you have basic four earth is really hot and in archaea life starts to form and then in Proterozoic period you have this kitchen coming down and that destroys the previous life and then then there is the Cambrian explosion and then you enter into it of an arrow so if you which is our current proton proton oh joy Zoe okay so so for periods and phanerozoic starts with something called

became two units polluted but whether you like whether you would argue what this interpretation of this verse would mean the idea that the life on earth spread in four different geological in yarns is a hundred percent accurate statement there is no doubt about I see yep the produce report is throw to Rizzo so weak Proterozoic okay so professors not making it up people I've just googled it geological yawns this is pretty straight fun

just Google this is like you know where I could be using some interpretation I will tell you where but somebody a virus somebody could say look why do you feel these eons are the four stages in all the four Eva's or the for eons in which God set out the provisions of the earth but you know you might argue whether that dizzy yawns would you know the argument somebody wants to make he can make that is this what the reverse is referring to it uh but the verse is

saying after the crew stages the the the distribution of provisions on earth offered it four stages this idea that that you know that the earth the Earth's evolution occurred in four stages is a hundred percent correct right like there is no this is something very well very and these are four distinct and by distinct I mean like water you know water is distinct from ice and ice a statistic for way but these are different phases so these are for eons and and this is pretty straightforward just plate up if I'm inducing interpretation I will tell you why am i

I will be using some interpretation but this requires no interpretation this is the idea that the life on Earth evolved in four periods is factually correct okay yep carry on so that's yeah so that's still six of the days yeah so so these but these are known now if we interpret days as two periods this is this is at a completely different times so we are talking of two different pages first it is you know creation of Earth and that's a completely different it from this so this is it so this these are two

different you know it's like saying I made the house in two stages and then I decorated my room room in four stages this is greatly different scales these are completely different I am we are if I say that analogy we all perfectly understood it's just when you're getting the other analogies about quantum physics none of us get it's very simple phenomena it's not more complicated like

people who are finding a picture like people might have found the previous argument a bit more sophisticated but this is very straight the sama might might become a bit more complicated but sorry about that I can't make it I can simply try to simplify it as much as possible but but let's come to the second thing let's come to the second so so this is very important that period has nothing to do with the other period so the creation of work happening in pre and post collision has nothing to do with these geological yawns this is completely different scale completely different period but then it also goes on to say that God created seven heavens

in two periods in verse 40 mob-like surah 41 verse 12 okay verse 12 but before we can even understand what these verses mean and then it also says he God created somehow water and earth in six days like six periods in so in surah say 7 7 verse 54 but before we can understand this we need to clarify one thing what is somehow I just and I think these people for coolness of Awesome are

worth you feel me well o healthy cool early summer in M raha ok but yeah carry on it's the verse that just comes exactly after we're still in surah fussilat mm-hmm yes so before before we can't even discuss what is creation of Allah for some hour there are six days mean we really need to clarify what somehow earth needs okay and it's interesting somehow it just means up so now if I say I'm just talking about what am I talking about I could beat up your vitals I could be talking of that mosque and or I could be talking of the universe because if I'm putting my coordinate with them here and

I'm just going up depends on how what scale I am using yeah this and that is if I'm just going in this direction but this if string theory is true this is not the only direct and I mean I am constrained to go in this direction because I made enough of something called open strings which are like attached for universe what gravity can flow out of our universe but then there are in string theory six extra dimensions and in and in M theory from which string theories proceed seven extra dimensions so there would be seven other directions that I could have take but this is very so it also feel that oh

I know you see in string and M theory this I the 10 or 11 dimensions not just the usual 3d three dimensions were used to you you have space one of time and then you have strings super spring six dimensions and in M here do seven extra dimensions but now let's come to that so now when somehow in quran when people talk about but then somehow what would mean and depending on the context I put

we it could mean that was fear it could have a spiritual meaning because again spiritually high and low and I mean when we come spiritual meanings I will give you illustrations from Quran to illustrate this it could mean our universe it could mean a multiverse all of these are possible interpretations now my my reading of Quran says the word sama woth has been used in multiple contexts in in all these contexts --is but when we come to sama-sama what one are that's effaced which means sum total of everything it indicates physically every moves so some of us can mean spiritual you can have a spiritual meaning can mean our atmosphere can mean the universe can

mean multiverse or can mean our universe featured in the multiverse so somehow earth will means specifically our universe because it's in a way of saying every mm-hm and everything for a mean what is down and what is up they would understand it okay so it's a face to say everything yeah okay in the context of this universe so somehow what will it does not I don't think it has virtual meanings it just means our universe Saba's somehow earth means a multiverse and I will come to that and our universe located in the multiverse is all some are what is dunya the lowest universe

which is fine because if you see in terms of extra dimensions our universe would be the universe which has the which light which has zero which is which is nearest like which which basically has those extra dimension when you would go to other extra other universes by moving along those extra dime if you are placing your coordinate system in this in a certain sense so there so right you guys my guys following you could have you could have a multiverse of many universes existing in salmon salmon different directions and these could be many different universes like of universes and they are

called semiotics abba-zaba in this context in which you have many universes our your specific universes for somehow Wattay dunya the lowest and then the heaven and earth is a specific physical term given to our universe and then you have somehow earth which is a term which can be used for anything now in this context so somehow earth well earth means our universe the way sama wat means the monkey if you want to make it simple so so in surah 41 verse 12 go God is saying that he created tsubasa

mawa in two phases is that true can't the multiverse be created in two phases well it goes back to what I was discussing in my previous video that you know now we don't look at it in terms of temporal causation in terms of temporality I've just simple some of the comments made clear is saying that a brain is already crying hang in there don't worry we don't look at it in terms of time we

look at it in terms of personality and in personal conditions I told you that more fundamental there it is big so from God so two stages again from you know first God LLL not first in terms of time but in terms of causation you can look at it as creation of this laws of physics and you have the multiverse something really important you know salmon can mean a literal salmon like it talks of salmon in surah kahf verse you know surah 18 verse 22 or it can mean

metaphorically infinitely many which is also clarified in front because in Quran you say in surah 31 verse 27 it says that if the pens were you know if the trees were pens and oceans were ink the words of God would not be exhausted even if there were seven additional oceans in support of me it is so it does not mean that if you had a head function the words of God would get exhausted salmon here put so salmon can be literal but salmon can also mean infinitely many which would fit with the multiverse idea that there are infinitely many universes dardo in arabic they did used to use the

term seven just to mean so many it's like in English we will say sometimes certain numbers like somebody could say you know just just give me two minutes like this certain numbers that I used like we obviously a hundred is used to mean like whoa a hundred times I've done this even though one could think that hundred isn't that much I mean it is they were relative but but in a similar way the Arabs had this thing with seven and also seventy they would use this kind of sometimes 700 this I mean you guys get the gist of it yeah it is that

in this half okay interestingly Quran does not talk of Sabah sama wat it's in surah 23 verse 17 it talks of salmon directions above you seven paths abou you which of course people in old could have understood as salmon orbits because they had this you know a geocentric model of Earth with moving the first orbit but it literally means seven parts above which for me fits very well with this M Puri description of Sam and extra dimensions okay so you're trying to say were it speaking of some Asama words it's speaking of multiverses yes mighty

verses and very shaking speaking of seven extra dimensions like surah 23 verse 17 it's just talking of seven dimensions because salmon as in surah eighteen verse 22 can also mean a literal salmon when surah in surah kahf they say that you know the number can be literal salmon basically seven can mean seven but sometimes it can also not mean seven and I'm not making it up because both of these contexts is are clear from within them in like in surah taha means

diamond and means in surah 31 verse 27 it means infinitely many so in the same way I think there are infinitely many multiverses universes in seven extra dimensions and in surah 23 you were 17 Quran clearly states above you are seven parts which fits very well with anything because also look at the views of words 7 here because in that time they would have easily understood it as their own model of you know geocentric universe and you can so you can have this dualistic reading for mm-hmm so Quran doesn't seem strange to them or to us

sure so but yeah no no I was just gonna say that somebody has asked here that the creation of the earth in six days then we've already you've already concluded I thought we'd conclude is you know for me past present future is just fine it's just an illusion yeah yeah so so but here I want to clarify one more thing then if you look at those old geocentric models of the Earth's and this goes back to leaving hints in the Quran that that is not true

of course people in that time and I would guess most scholars in that time would have understood well Quran refers to seven directions above you or seven some somehow earth it's looking up those seven orbits of planets but there is a hint in in Quran only that it's not true you know what is the hint the hint is that in all those modules of Geo centricity the Stars lie in the lower highest hammerin but Quran says here science stars like them somehow at the dunya and in all my research in nooks and it said cosmology through the stars like that reversed and that would not make sense for them because stars before them this when they looked at it from Earth / from their

perspective star look fixed so they were thinking that these are orbits and above that there is a fixed structure of your stars ologies does it say that stars lie in the lowest Hammond's so this is a hint like they were and they did not get in the Quran it mentions sama dunya that the the lowest of the skies oh the the heavens Allah has made the Stars or place the stars in them so okay and that doesn't actually correspond with any given kind of cosmology that existed yes

but you see that this is this is how that this is what I mean by jewelry it says 7 so 7 could mean Direction salmon and we we would understand 23 verse 17 s 7 different directions in this extra multiverse and then seven universes Samar's s multi universes based on the structure of Quran but they do not need to be this sophisticated they would just say oh this isn't our old knowledge of quick you know Planet seven like that time the planets that were known and Moon is at the first orbit this much but Quran leaves a subtle hint that this is not correct by saying that stars are in the lowest hammer and goes onto stage wow this is that's an

amazing profound throat or never throws up before haha and this only bought you know decode it at our time because this requires some sophisticated thought which I don't think people at the part I mean to betray I think they did have sophisticated thought just obviously knowledge has developed that's not you just write off and cancel all the thought processes you see so it's that same verse Vanessa possum I were

to feel main that Allah set out the seven heavens in these in two days were all heavy could listen I am raha and each matter or affair was dictated or inspired to each heaven was a yin nassima a dunya and the lowest of the heavens was then decorated by Mesabi with these lamps which is speaking about the stars obviously surah fussilat verse 12 what is beautiful is in that this is this is a subtle hint in Quran that that

geocentric model is not correct but but then also this idea you know you doing it you're doing it and then this thing that in every summer there is it's a more like every universe has its law this is the modern idea of multiverse that every universe comes with its own variant of this so just to be clear it's saying let's say in in a different universe the laws of gravity might operate differently is this what we're saying oh the indifferent universe the fundamental constants of nature might be different there might be completely new

forces the UT there are even models in which you could have multiverse with two directions of time there are models possible like that so you could have two directions of time you could have something like one dimensional you could have seven dimensional universes you could have anything bloody ell I think we need to be sober more sober for for for maximizing our benefit from professor yep okay well well oh and obviously this verse will have the coolest summer in America and in each heaven or each dimension

universe its matter or its affair oh it's law was was kind of inspired or given mmm so each so we have in the principal tenor dimensions four of them are visible and some of the remaining salmon are extra and in each of these dimensions we have these multi universes like many sheets of paper on it you know you along the height you can imagine it something like that and then each of these universes can have different laws this is something very very like this is something again I would not say it's

establish the way that Aeon thing is established for earth being in four fields this is not something that is established the creation of you multiverse or many universes happening in two periods might be because you can even argue about it in a different way but I believe that description but the fact that there is a multiverse it's it's highly possible but not Esther so again being for your knowledge is only matched by your truthfulness professor

it's only possible if string theory is true or even if string theory is not true there are other models which you can have these extra dimensions but but it's not it's asking what is the difference between the multiverse theory and David Lewis's actually possible worlds theory I support Copenhagen interpretation I work I support the actual actual objective reduction interactionist approach to wavefunction but we will we will deviate from the topic I am completely against many interpretations is if I live this

I drop it down the universe splits into two in which I have one universe I have done it in mind I have not any I do not support there was an automated boy some some it was actually young boy positing that when the LHC was trying out the experiments that what they did is they completely destroyed the universe but we just carried on in a different universe I don't know if he came across it was in the newspapers yeah when LXE was doing this experiment 2015 me and some of my friends did certain calculations about creation of

mini black holes by which we can detect of course these extraordinary and I made extra you like these parallel universes and then just because our research was published few days before LS he started operating there was a huge like everyone who saw so many newspapers ported it it's if you google my name you will still get this and let's see parallel universe and then people extrapolated you to weird world people this is a different world that professor lives in I'm Kari and carry on you were saying so we don't

deviate from the topic you're speaking about creation of heavens and earth so I said sabatham awhat means many multiverse but somehow whatever are just means our universe and somehow one can mean our universe all or or it can also mean it can have a spiritual meaning or it can mean atmosphere depending on the context because it just means up and if you bow up of course you can say the roof is up that most fear is up and if your boo occurs sending your rocket out of our solar system and I mean isn't just out of curiosity isn't just up down

and all these things just relative anyway because up is here but because space doesn't really is not within a greater space so what is up what is that I mean for all we know it could be this way like up for me Australia this would be down and yes think that you know if I if I just want to describe if I want to send a rocket if I based my coordinate system here and I want to gain information the simplest way I could say is well the atmosphere is above me it doesn't mean that on the other side of Earth there is not atmosphere below me he just means I would gain information about that first year in the same way I could talk like

this is our again linguistic way of talking about and of mathematically so this is very simple way of talking in terms of again in up up and down in terms of these extra dimensions yes you know when you want to go if you imagine this is our universal next and this is an extra dimension so the second universe would be lower like our universe would be the lowest extra dimension set equal to zero and for a finite value of you are you envisaging universes on top of each other stacked of is this actually the that is called

brain bulk model you have a 10 dimensional pal and then you have brain many brains which might be parallel to each other and one of the ways universes can be created is by these brains colliding with each other and come to that when I come to the creation information I'm very bad at organizing so let's come to the second part of Quran also says God created heavens and earth in sixth a young sister to a young

it's six days people yeah six so we know 100% the earth is created in two periods the tariff or geological eras and for multiverse there could be - you know cozily two periods what about our physical other universe now specifically our universe because I said somehow earth well that just means our universe in the context of Quran is our universe created at six minutes this is a question again I want to stress that these periods have nothing to do with the periods in which seven universe selects your multiverse is created that's a completely different scale we are talking about we are not talking about the period at which earth is created and completely

different scheme mm but if the true that our universe the universe we occupy is created it's experience is it so I'll tell you know some interesting information which will be trusting to like there are F everything you're telling us is interesting profess everything you're telling us so you could classify the age of universe based on what you could say whether but what kind of physics is operating in the universe and then there will be different places where you had different physics and these phases would be like analogy I can give you is that water has a different behavior from ice and ice as a different behavior for vapor out there

for different phases so our universe have phases in its cosmological evolution the idea answer is yes so based on the physics ok wonder how many phases I will not again talk about each of these phases because that will like I want to cover a lot more material today hopefully hold on hold on to your brains people hold on to your brains like their four fundamental forces right so in the beginning all the four forces operate together it's a blank uniform and this these epochs are by the way not like you know when we are talking of now phases or time scales are we talking about 10

to the power minus 43 seconds that is zero point zero zero 4301 second that's when the phase this phase exists but in these in that phase all the fourth forces act together so the plan paper when all the four forces act together by the fold in genesis we're talking about the fundamental forces of we have all the four forces acting together in the plan it first people the first force to separate out is gravity in the car grand

unified theory second epoch which is around 10 to the power minus 36 seconds the third forces to separate out is the strong ok and we come to the LM and then we have the electroweak for splitting out so this is already four different phases of what you then we again might need a fifth phase because you know there many things in our universe we don't understand for example why's matter they're more matter than antimatter theory for that is called baryogenesis and then we we don't know why there's dark matter so a possible solution to that is supersymmetry which we have not again confirmed there strong

constraints on that from LHC there are many different models for this so this fifth space is not understood how does so so universe clearly has these four phases and ten possible fixed phase in which you know all these physics come like these ministries gets on and we come so six different phases or six different physical so just to be clear so you've got the four forces the for those four phases you're saying the fifth is matter it is dealing with things like dark matter antimatter that

kind of stuff dark energy dark energy people just talk matter matter over antimatter so this one can happen in a another phase transition it's not true we have other models so we don't understand the fifth phase to be our you know honestly show and then we have this represent phase so this is based on the physics of our universe you could also

argue that let's not look at physics let's straight look at the rate of expansion of the universe again you would have a pre inflationary state then there is a rapid expansion the inflation and then there is the radiation dominated era which and forty seven thousand years after Big Bang and then there is the matter dominated error and then around eight nine point eight billion years ago we entered into the dark energy dominated era and in far future we will enter into the you know the far future whether physics like rather completely different so what you saw what you're saying is you could take a different paradigm and it still has

these six stages and and and and you could take a different thing and say well let me look at what like what is the constraint like what's the construction of like what are the particles that the universe that dominate the universe the mass of the universe so you would start with pre standard model particles which would be existing in the first phase then then you would have the cork epoch around into the power minus 12 seconds and then you would have these quarks with mixing like joined together to form the hydrants around six seconds so you would have the priests I a priest under model

epoch the park epoch the had Ronnie Park and then you would have something called lepton epoch and then you would have again you know you would have photon epoch and then then you would have and then you would have our formation of neutral matter so again six seconds so you still have like and again I would be honest here unlike earth you know when I talked about Earth which was pretty straight for two stages hundred percent and when I said geological ages for 100 percent and when I said multiverse again it's a bit of interpretation but very certain then you can pick bit and then it here you know it's because we don't understand many of these phases so I would be in all

honesty I would say that based on three different ways of classifying the age of the universe it is highly like it's it's convenient to classify it in six different epochs there there there seemed to be surfacing but again we do not have certainty because we have not seen so percent we don't understand these things it's the lap of our knowledge that that makes me say that there it is highly likely that the evolution of our universe offered in six different epochs and that is based on six due to three different ways of classifying fate of the universe but you know I won't put it

like you remember when I talked about because for example take inflation if somebody had written a paper that inflation can offer Tuesday's I mean these things are not really well understood at the many competing theories hippy but in all on like but all as you see it seems highly likely like you had the four splits of work forces and then possibly need a fifth one and so six seems to be the most natural classification so what we're saying is that this is a very the

classification given in the quran of citta to a yam of six days is something that seems to fit very nicely to our current understanding even if we change it depending on what we're looking at whether we're looking at the forces and other things or whether we're looking at matter in and of itself how that form many of these things seem to have been given six different formations that's what we're saying hmm yes now look at this again we come to this dual reading of Quran when people in the past would have read six I am they would have related it to the

Genesis sixties yeah but again I told you Quran has this subtle code that has to be disappered but Quran just showed you that this is not six because it gave also the evolution of Earth separately and they discussed the creation of multiverse separately so many people would lively add they would not add two plus two plus two plus two plus four is eight it cut so if it is not six there is some it's not the general description there is something else and but this again requires sophistication with people in the past did not have I would

show they had sophistication but a different one yes of course so what you're saying is that you see they wouldn't have understood this to mean eight because they already had that Genesis backdrop of saying well six days so when God says he created the world in six days they already knew that so in the other verses when people are adding up the separate inside two plus four plus two Oh this equals eight now that's not how they would have understood it

that's what you're saying yeah yeah what happens here so now what we understand is that the first verse when he talks of creation of earth it's a different scale distribution of our different scale multiverse a completely different scale and creation of heavens and earth by that meaning the creation of universe a completely different scale these are different scales different phenomena but the division seems to be correct and interestingly if you want to be naive and read it as as a Genesis narrative you can and I guess in past people might have done that so again you come to this dual reading of Quran look at the beauty

of the structure this amazes but let's come to something finish this I did tell professor I said you know what I said having for so many years lived a vampire lifestyle this passed over a week I've changed my lifestyle just trying it out so I'm trying to live like a normal person and I did say that I hope I don't fall asleep during you because it'll just be so embarrassing if

I'm like sorry carry on carry on so just come to know something like this is about days let's come to what Quran really speaks about well like I I want to come to the spiritual interpretation of Sahaba which is important but before that I want to briefly touch on what desperat what is Quran say about cosmology as such what is a quran says specifically about our universe well you know what quran specifically says about our universe many sir many Muslim many Muslims have interpreted verse 21 surah 21 verse 30 as big bang but it says the heavens and earth were joined

together and we blow them as slander and we brought everything out of water will they not then leave this here if we interpret that as a phase meaning everything that's pretty accurate because that would just mean everything you know what good everything in our universe not everything in the multiverse everything specific to our universe which would make which would be fine because it would just mean that everything in our universe was together and and then it would it was closed as cylinder many people have said well there was no bang in the sense bang was not a back but again I like to break things down what do you mean when there is an explosion or a behind you know explosion what is explosion it's something you died did you know you have

something like a bomb is all the substance is in a very company's compressed together and in a very small amount of time it has a rapid expansion we don't mean sound by bang we just this is you know you put in principle think of a bang without its if there is no air there would be sound and arguably philosophically they one could argue if there was no ear to hear it then how could they be sound interestingly what

we mean by you clothe them as slander blow them apart is the fact that something which is held together in a very small area study undergoes a certain expansion that is what improv what happened to you never tuning inflation universe we we know universe very small you know volume and it went if there was an inflation and it was a rapid expansion so that's pretty that's pretty accurate that's but people have already highlighted it so nothing new here I'm trying to answer people who say well it's not an explosion saying that

there was an explosion again in surah 51 verse 47 we are expanding the universe when you created the heavens with power and we are expanding expansion of universe pretty well understood something that again nothing I don't want I have nothing to add here but I have something to add in verse 21 so 21 iris 100 to add to verse we thought your allotted most of it and the rest

professor cello case in surah teamocil add to the universe as well so let's come to verse surah 21 verse 104 surah 21 verse 104 it's a very interesting what did you say sorry surah hujrat and verse the day we shall roll up the heavens

alright okay okay mm-hmm carry on sorry so yeah so this verse actually talks of go it says the day we shall roll up the heavens and we shall create a new creation the way we created the first approximate meaning now this is very interesting because in a way if you see people Yoma not with summer that is see Jill okay little coupe , but that man will help in Orido what and Alina in Kuna darling okay yep big hurry yeah

sorry prepare some discussion so I will do some discussion so the discussion area requires is this that it talks of curry you know what it so clearly talks of contraction of the universe because you know the Slayer universe is expanding and it's like a scroll opening and then in a way it metaphorically speaking contraction would be like you know everything the scroll going back a you know the winding up there you know universe being cut anybody if they're checking a pseudo MBA that is let me just repeat the number for you guys I was a yeah 104

okay surah 21 first 104 yep carry on we shall create a new creation the way we created the first so it's talking about another universe being created from that debris now there is some amount of discussion ended here people can like this is almost obvious that you can see in a kiss for me when I see it from a modern context I can see it obviously then this is talking of contraction of universe and then reexpansion but what are the scientific evidences of our universe contracting back this is an important question what is the scientific in fact the universe contracting six

family but we're speaking about it coming back contracting coming and then bouncing off to create a new universe and this is how our universe was created we shall create a new creation the way we created our first our universe was created from a cyclic so our universe was created this way and then your future universe so what is the birth what are the like okay if you look at if you will neglect all the quantum effects and that is what I think there was even an article written against we said oh this verse is not scientific because if you see right now universe is undergoing an accelerated expansion and if it

undergoes this expansion it will never come that's what the article heads but that is only true if you neglect the continents if you neglect the quantum effect that universe is undergoing point currently an accelerated expansion when you say quantum when you say quantum effects what do you mean by quantum effects because you see one of the things I told you last time in my lecture we don't know quantum gravity but we have many approaches to wander around and many of these approaches suggest like phantom gravity in the universe will contract reach a minimum volume but if you loop quantum gravity there's a minimum volume which will

expand back onto itself in string theory you have these parallel brains they can't take it you could collide which will cause a contraction of everything and then another big bang for each of these brains and they will go apart and there are many models of quantum gravity where the unit current accelerated state of expansion is just one of the states and you will have other states where the universe will contract back itself on itself and then bounce into a new universe 100% fitting this description that we teach the universe will contract back on itself and create a new universe and this is how the first universe has been created is it 100% verified no because we don't have a verified theory

of quantum gravity is it likely very very likely in fact one of the papers that I can't stop talking about here one of the papers that I did last dad I said no quantum gravity but we know from quantum gravity that space-time has a minimum length to it let's just take this this information and throw it in where you know it throw it in the cosmological evolution like they just put this this additional information in we had a very nice way of doing it we used something called thermo dynamical evolution to infinity and but we had a very interesting way of doing that but what we should what we were

able to demonstrate is that there are four distinct phases of our universe so it's currently accelerating then it will be accelerate and then you know it's accelerating in its expansion then it will accelerate in its expansion these are like for cyclic phases and it does fit with this model that in simple words universe is accelerating it will come back and then you will form another universe and this we just use the fact that your space-time has a minimum length which which is which seems to be a prediction from all models of quantum gravity but independently in other models of quantum gravity this can be shown so highly likely not verified because we don't have a theory of gravity but like you know what this is

what amazes me this is so sophisticated seriously this is like I can't imagine people in the past even I don't know how they got there handed out is what they would say I mean so you see this kind of a verse he oh my not with Samata to you silly little Kutub and then it mentions comma but that not all a jalapeno ido that how we began the first creation we will repeat it i guess they probably just saw it very kind of illustratively in in in a kind of like glory majestic sense of God kind of wrapping up in his hand almost the whole you know universe

and but yeah I mean probably just as a picture picturesque this kind of imagery they sing but today contraction like its acceleration and the acceleration in three dimensions if one day I would hopefully will I will expand on it with you one of these days I'll tell you if each point he needs me a lot more exposition because this is 50 arises as I'm talking to you in language because I in mathematics I am seeing how hard it is for me to convey do you think do you think in mathematics is that so how on a

tangential no give us an example of how you like when you're thinking you using mathematics mathematical like state a plus state B gives you straight see I can see these oh this is the wave function I don't need to picturise a place okay I can think of universe being created in an abstract mathematical configuration of space I'm fine with that okay so you're seeing like formulas I can see it like how difficult it is to convey this in language but like the

nose is beautiful the only beautiful language I can think about it is the vapor on has Illustrated these few beautiful words I thought like I'm finding it hard to explain these words and it can't be explained beautiful more beautifully because you're seeing in mathematic equations and we're all like we're all kind of bottom set maths we're like still using the the kind of calculus thing like moving the beads or three fingers it's six and six

but there's only ten fingers let's come to let's go but you can see the beauty here this is so beautiful I mean you're obviously giving so much information but it sounds amazing it sounds amazing but let's come to like I'm trying to finish you know finish the some of us because I want to try it on evolution and alien also like if I get time our brains already melted but it's good it's good

it's another three another another use of you know Hammond's as an atmosphere what be verse 23 surat oh sorry surah 23 verse 18 where it clearly means so that is two apart so apart from meaning of our universe in as in somehow whatever earth but just some a lot or meaning the multiverse as Sabah somehow earth and our universe situated in multiverse is always called the lower heaven which is also a poor - sure about that there isn't the deal is no the geocentric model of Earth is not correct if the universe the word somehow earth

is also used for atmosphere which is fine because you know if you send a rocket the flus think it will touches I mean of course we are all living in atmosphere but then no you would get two different layers of atmosphere in that the solar system and then our galaxy and if it's stalling faster then and then if you know if it is made of really clear like if you can the only thing that cannot leave our universe in a multiverse sense is gravity other forces are constrained to be in a universe but separate matter gravity can leave our universe that's an explanation for why it's so weak brain

both models will come to that isn't gravity just a curvature of space-time the small fluctuations that I talked about can be duplicity by something called flows drinks so they are like this they are not attacked you can go from something called brain brain into bulk whereas the other particles are replaced we are represented by open strings which are like this was just

pretty straightforward so in surah 23 but 18 you know God talks of sama as as that was fearing when that's fine like that but you know this usage of Samar should not be confused the universe when it's talking of the universe and universe who should not be confused with multiverse it is this kind you see so what we're saying is the in the Quran the terms sama which could we means I guess this is translated sky heavens above as in cosmologically above not

just like above me but like up there beyond above so what we're saying is that these words have to be understood by their context yeah yeah so they can mean either of these differently at different times it can mean universe as well at certain times yes but it can have one more meaning this is a meaning that many people get confused about you see a central theme in Quran is that Quran uses physical phenomena for as a spiritual metaphor and that is throughout Quran physical phenomena for a spiritual matter

okay but that's a structure in Quran someone Bookman immune you know if you take it literally just means depth I'm blind but here you can see that Quran is using physical people might say why is Allah speaking about disabled people so the idea is that you know the but the idea is that you know this metaphor has its root in some physical phenomena and that's how that's how language that's how but you know the verse you mentioned

about rocks - ah - food now there is something really interesting about this source if you see what current what with the structure it says there are rocks which break out which burst out to bring out what which burns to bring out water which is both physically true as well as metaphysically true because physically I told you water from came from Thea and Thea collided with earth but that's also metaphysically true because you know sometimes if you have hard-hearted and you you cry and then you might you know that might soften your heart so it's basically true metaphysically - yeah but

personally the verse that we're speaking about is in surah bakra do boom you become embodied ellika for hey Cal hey Jarrah that they hearts at hardened or your hearts Allah is addressing them had become hardened they are like stone Oh a shadow password or more severe well in nominal hey Jarrett elamite a fat German huh and her that there are certain rocks from which rivers kind of purse fault in them in Harlem is Chicago for German women and there are certain stones which will kind of break apart and water emerges from them when I'm in Harlem I yeah bitumen

her she learned some which drop from the consciousness of Allah or realization of Allah but yeah sorry carry on but this is really beautiful because what this verse does is see the first part of it is both physically true and metaphysically true there are stones which break out which blow a slander to bring go you know which cloth cylinder and water comes from them you have applied it with earth and water came from that that's both physically to and metaphysically true because you might cry and you're its but the second part then lalala sorry the last part of the verse when it says they you know if they

fall down because of the god consciousness that part is only metaphysical so it takes some physical we know not met in one-to-one metaphysical analogies but then described is a metaphysical phenomena which is purely metaphysical you cannot trace it back and draw something draw a physical analogy bones so this is a which is repeated in korra Quran over and over again a tequila at least the way I feel that there are physical phenomena sweet are you just spiritual matters so the question is is the word sama also used as a spiritual matter the idea for that is yes

sama is used in the school and you can see that here where where any talks of you know we will open the gates of Hammond's and they will climb there off and they will still not accept so it's not talking of physical heavens there are no talking that even if these people have spiritual experiences they will still not if they are so bound on the truth that they might not even accept this plea but such clearly Quran is talking about some in terms of where as a spiritual metaphor but I like one I mean I like

everything but one thing that really strikes me in this particular usage of Sam I don't have the lowest Hammond if you look at it in terms and then there being stars in the lowest ebb now if you look at it there are stars physically there are stars in W animals that's fine but if you look at a meta physical interpretation of this verse if you look at world civilizations confession in China talks of Sunday at they are at ayan Suresh trajeron talks of a hero Mazda in India we have the picture of issue and Brahman you know in symmetric traditions we have

in Christianity we have got the four heavenly Father and in Islam of course we have Allah and in Judaism we have you who like you can see world civilization they stand on the banks of these or the back of these people who are like stars and who have been talking about divine and doing of good but this is the lowest realization this would be the lowest realization with the lowest structure their apparent law a parent you know moral structure of the world lies on the banks on the path the great shining stars which we call prophets and they are folks they are scattered throughout human history and if there is a fourth era variants I would expect something

similar for them but yeah you know all the world civilizations had here your own share of profits it be draw a more Christian beat Confucius beads or Rashtra beat Jesus meet Moses beat Muhammad is like the world civilization is spammed by them like all of it spam in this vector sense of covering all the matter baby so so the whole world's not in this but like with the world civilization that upward but this is the lowest of the spiritual realm and then there are higher realms of vanity I think in Buddhism you have these seven 3lm so spiritual and I can make some

work should be done on that Quran is talking about that but then I what I find interesting here is that it also says these stars are used as missiles for ALK mm-hmm can't be talking of physical stars being used as musical missiles against a physical just like the rocks break down because of fear like god-consciousness hear the words no shifts were totally metaphysical you and in a way this is true because you see what happens is

that world in world if you see there are prophetic systems that have been established there are these great people who have come throughout world civilization and they have geared the world civilizations morality but then these these these particular in force of time have got corrupted and when they have got corrupted a new star comes and hits these corrupted shayateen in a certain in a nice way and chef in here means people like like the system of Moses had got corrupted by Pharisees Jesus came as this burning star and it you can look at it in this way and the

idea that you can use shayateen for people is also clear from Quran itself because Quran says I think in what does it say in surah Baqarah that when they go back to their share thing here it's not referring yeah I mean the Quran clearly does use the term share theme to mean human beings it does love me you know it says clearly I mean it uses that in several locations yep yep yes so in this sense the way I would look at it is that the world the moral structure of world model structure of world civilizations stands because of these

bright a star like human beings be there our mission bead pond fishes babes or extra be Jesus base Bahamas who drive these civilization to moral truths and then if if these systems get corrupted for example the Jewish even the Judaism is a great really all due respect and love for few days of that I have it because of Pharisees it had got corrupted Jesus came as a burning star and hid those Pharisees and brought back the spiritual message of powder and so what you're saying is these verses to do with you know like a humanely share

team that these are kind of like a stoning or sure they like flames that attack the share theme is is it's allegorical in the sense that it's a metaphor for these luminary personalities and figures throughout history like Zarathustra other people prophets people like Buddha but also Jesus Moses the Prophet Muhammad's Allah Islam these are these bright stars that Allah says well as a mass amount of dunya Bhima sabbia doom initial thing

this yeah okay especially people like Confucius ROM Christian Saurashtra Jesus moment I think for my understanding Buddhism Buddha was a mystic but not a prophet but will come to those distinctions someday when we discuss the differences between them but the rashtra period he was a prophet Confucius clearly was a pro yeah I mean anybody will read a bit of Chinese religion day on and Sunday like when Quran was translated into Chinese TI on was for God and Sunday is clearly I doesn't have it's interesting because Eason I'm

pretty sure that isn't Theon is also for sky as well like not in a literal because Tian has a will so it's this idea of brahman in oneself it's very similar to that because TR has a will and it's identified with shinta which is which means the high Lord if I remember correctly but which has this idea of you know God because if it's not this abstract idea often you know an abstract in person because Confucius says I am implementing the will of the hammer and I suffer till he completes his mission it's almost prophetic you like it's so beautiful when you read

these dislike so move it when I read confession Titans open vicious or is the rashtra like mind-blowing like you can see like when I when you read history you see God when you read every size seeker I see go and depict that look right and left wherever you turn your face you shall see the countenance of God you know that is amazing professor because one would assume or may assume that as being a professor within science you'd probably be more distant from God and religion and but you seem to be you

know so passionate about an enthusiastic about religion and seeing God in everything this is I mean it's almost counter intuitive I wouldn't have imagined you to be this way but you are that's it's it's really fascinating to see that yeah thank you but yeah so I think this point is clarified so so the the idea of heaven in as a spiritual metaphor should not be confused with the Hammond as our universe should not be confused with the use of M&S atmosphere should not be confused with heaven as well these are

the term in the Quran is used in its own context read the context people that's what professor is saying yeah and if you want to take you know if you want to blame Quran because it says that you know stars in the lowest have earned are used as missiles against devil by goethe you just say Quran says Quran also says anyone who has been blind in this will be polite in Hereafter just blame youdo you K you can take ridiculous conclusions from this saying that o blind people will not get their sight in here I mean if you want to you know if you want to really if you want to stick a literalism a like that any text can be made and just to be clear

that the people in the past when they would have read that you know mankind vrdr my fellow philosophers sevilla they wouldn't have they would have understood it for what it meant they wouldn't have been trapped in the very text released literal perspective they wouldn't have like they would have understood that this meant that you know here blind whosoever is blind in this world is not speaking about disabled kind of disability blind now it's speaking about whosoever is blind to turn away from the truth true so so that is that does I think it that traps of cosmology I'll quickly

finish evolution because that's one thing I want you to do I will try to keep on your time in mind evolution people this is to remind you that you all emerge from something dumb okay now listen to the professor and realize that with evolution there is one thing very cool you like anybody who is telling you that there is a disagreement with biology in within the biological community in terms of evolution is lying evolution is Val established I say

either lying or the ignorant in the present world in past I II don't blame but in the present well it's pretty much been established but let's see what quran really says about you and again you can read it in a judeo-christian narrate you be using audacity said if you do that that's clearly not scientific but the question is what is the bare amount of information that Quran cubes and does that information like is that information actually correct um let's just discuss this much I'm not even going it to saying that Quran describes this or does not describe this that up to people to know

but I'm just saying what is the bare amount of information that Quran principles Quran talks affiliation of human from click point my Quran says that all every living thing comes from water point to Quran says that in surah 4 verse 1 it says we created you from a single nuts and we created from it its mate 0.3 Quran says Adam was given the name of all things point so four points this point the first thing like surah 4 verse 1 you can easily understand it like we all come from a single cell and then that cell splits into two when that from that all humans are that that's not

difficult to like that can like many scholars who have stood try to study evolution have said they have done that but Quran also says that in surah 49 so that verse that we created you from one laughs and we made its main you could you could give it that interpretation that we come from one cell which splits and then from that we actually you know to be on yourself not actually now that you say it sounds common sense but I've never really thought of that before about enough smiiing referring to a cell I didn't think of that but that's that that's just the start of it now I'll tell you what for under his grandeur see her on display that we come from one man

and one woman which it says from surah 49 verse verse 13 so what do we know let's start so we keep this in back of your mind at all did we know life comes from nonliving matter that is that is hundred percent sure it might have started in the Hadean / definitely started in that following Archaean so it's first definitely started in that so but then how did life start this theory of evolution actually does not deal with how life started the branch of science which deals with this is called

abiogenesis so what what do we know from a beta missiles there is a debate in the in the experts of who study abiogenesis did life originate in ocean or did it ordinate online and there are currently currently two famous there's a very famous hypothesis it's called play hypothesis we says life alternated because of self replicating claim so there were these clay molecules which had the power property of self replication and that is because of which the life started there is some more research done indicates life might have started on banks of oceans and which would have some radioactivity there are

other theories also which indicate that life there is high prof I would say there is a higher probability for life to have started on in clay or clay had a non-trivial role to play in life then it then for the because like these number of these hypotheses are moved there's also this hypothesis that it started deep within our peepers but then there are these and there's also one that it started off with a so you're saying is this is a mainstream view within the genre of science on the origin of life as that life originated

from clay is this what we think one of the views is called clay hypothesis people can couple this up and even you google just google I abiogenesis you will get that a and a by these clear hypothesis states that life originated from self-replicating clay molecules so I'm replicating clay molecules people now I'm not saying this is the only one

it's not the one but it's one of the highly probable and one thing is certain from the sheer number of hypotheses would it mean for the that like this high probability that life originated due to some interplays wave which was some kind of interface of land or an ocean something like beaches and there is a theory that lie fortunate you don't radioactive beaches so people I think that there was some nice interesting Papers written on that so I would again I would not a lot does happen on the

beach hi hi I'm sure much life has also originated on the beach as well so so high probability that life started from you know from self-replicating clay molecules possibly on the beach or deep within earth or in the back of ocean we have these various hypotheses but just to say that life originated from play is not scientifically wrong in fact it is highly probable but not verified at yet it's not verified it does not so we should be honest here and say well we

are not sure but it is highly possible that life or unit it from today but no definite okay verified if there are other opinions and there's some opinions are clip only played a catalyst role there are many many like because this field is again not well understood and there are many hypotheses were sometimes here like so so so the idea of how abiogenesis started is a lot of debate on that but this idea that life started from playing is highly probable life then life or online fortunate evolved from see this is completely true like life trade in sea for a very long time before it or migrated so all life

coming from ocean water we created everything from water will they not then believe 100% or the way it says that when you know God created heaven center and his throne was over so this is this thing you know watch all nominal kulla shay'in hey that every living thing it comes from water is this i mean i've understood this to mean that water is the source of life is that I am sure right I have understood it as that like like all the origin every living thing that you see on earth places itself back

to ocean life on land is relative like you're seeing it too it's kind of habitat yeah because can am I am i because my understanding is life as we know it cannot exist without water but what you're saying is related in evolutionary terms to what I am saying because everything we have predominantly made up water because we came from I see I see so what you're saying is life

habitat being in water is central to its to its existence that it that's because it's from water water gave it its existence that's what for most of its existence it only came to land relate you need few like I think by six I don't remember but for majority of its time it was in water because you know whenever there's things like let's say space exploration or other things one of the things they look for often is water isn't it because doesn't it then correlate with like it is seen as if you

can find water it may indicate that there's some life there is a high probability of the life as we understand it but we'll come to this debate on what life is that's a separate debate in Excel think weeping bit nervous but coming to this commission is specific point yes what do you think is correct but it's also related to what I am saying because I say so say life originated in self by self replicating clay molecules or on radioactive beaches where or deep it within on the flora go back questions or any of these other hypotheses deep within the land it is also one theory that it originated within the land and

then it went to oceans and it stayed in oceans for a very long time so this idea that all living things come from water is hundred percent correct became life came from play it's also correct and then then put on mix then this idea that you know we come I mean every one of you know our creation starts from one lapse which splits and then we come from that that's fine but then there is something more beautiful Quran also says in surah 49 verse 13 that all humanity comes from one man one movement it does not say that these men and women were a couple which were so he's speaking about which

love 49 verse 13 okay carry on so what do we know about evolution of humankind and there is something very interesting but there is something also clearly and easily misunderstood so let me let me clarify the misunderstand before I actually give you that information so that people don't think I am presenting a rock because it can be easily misunderstood you see lettuce is let us take kahani which are the priestly class of Jews they can't marry converts you know this is misunderstanding by the way

the Jews you can convert into Judaism you can but if you do you cannot marry corny in company in which one of the descendents of our own our own array Salam they cannot marry in converts so some studies have indicated at least a certain portion of those colonies can trace their ancestry back to somebody called they call them call him in scientific terminology y-chromosome Arun where the idea is how do we know that because we can trace something we have I promise it can you can taste your Petri lineal lineage through the spike rooms but six why's that actor had died in the world

and only the descendants of only these Conan we're alive and also the true Conan who were actually the descendants of Adam then you could then it would be fair to say that r1 is the father of all mankind however it does not mean that at the time of our own therefore I have no other humans or he did not have a parent he did not have his parents he had parents and his children married other human beings of the time but none of the trees which did not merge with haroon's tree survived and only do that so the all humans can trace their permanence I'm saying for example if that were then you would say that all humans could in principle only trace their ancestry back

to our uu not all Kohan mean who are real kohonen can trace their ancestry back to our own it does not mean Arun was the only human being it means there were other human beings he had parents but everywhere every Conan alive today can trace his ancestry back to one person what's what you're saying is that Adam aleihsalaam may may be the Adam aleihsalaam even though he is the father of humanity as we know it does not necessitate that there were no other humans living

parallel with Adam or preceding him yes it does not necessitate that either in Scripture or in science but what it would mean that no tree and it not many verses that actually do support this as well it's just up because the narrative is generally already superseded in that is supplanting that so people don't pay to so for example verses like in Allah in the last offer Adam won no Hanwha that Allah chose selected Adam now the question was who did he choose him from and and then

people will say well you know he made him and then obviously made him as a chosen one but yeah so what do we know scientifically well you know we can trace our y chromosome DNA back and interestingly we can trace it back to one man living in Africa so it said that of course this man had parents and he had children intermarried with other people but this fact we can say it's and that mine is mama D's great-great-great

great-grandfather today this man we can trace of an a cute this and this is not this is not a question of theory we can do it and we can actually explicitly show it that all humanity today descends from one man which live but there is a debate about the only debate that we have is when that man so if this man interim scientific terminology is called Y chromosome Adam you can google it and he possibly lived at around 200,000 years ago it is he I I

saw I thought they were gonna write okay I'm with you I'm with him with you there's a but the predominant study show that he was around 200,000 are you are you placing Adam with chromosomal Adam is that what we you're doing I because I've always I felt always is an intriguing word but I felt that Adam ELISA Lam was the father of the cognitive revolution I want to tell you how in fact I've seen your views and I

like them and I will tell you how on the other hand we can trace back the ancestry of all living female on to one woman again in Africa who is called microcon toriel even then there is a degeneration they might have because we cannot disappear you know there's a rivet up and they do they could have been condemned free but if there is a higher probability that this eve Michael Cantrell around 150,000 yourself so Adam lived at least 50,000 years before leave before I

think I think they put after became before people and it might be probable that they might finally coincide but I think you have this Adam leaving before Eve then you can give another interpretation to the verse 49 surah like verse 4 surah 4 verse 1 that because it were says that we created from him it's made it might be that you might actually be a daughter of from the generations ahead okay that might repetition but we are not sure of the dates you know we know that humanity can

trace its ancestry back to one man by chromosome Adam one woman by a micro front really we are not sure maybe it could have been one is a daughter of another one is the father or vice versa maybe that a change in future or maybe their contemporaries we don't know much but yeah because you know I this is the same point that I I mentioned this a while back on my good wall back on one of my Monday nights and in several discussions private discussions I've had with people that I've said that you know one of the things that does stand up for faith whether people like it or not but

in my perspective is that look science has emerged with all these discoveries and all these amazing things and obviously it's unearthed things like evolution and it's shown that but yet if we're just looking at it from a scientific perspective of randomness it ought to be that let's say as Homo sapiens were adapting they were evolving that it ought to be multiple and Oh to like we ought not to be able to trace our ancestry back to just one it ought

to be multiple like if we if we're looking at it from this thing of pure random mid group where resident and I said and I said and it's interesting house chair or you know it's so easy that it could have just got that so wrong but in a way it didn't and that's and science today on earth's that that oh wow okay that's I find that very fascinating yeah and what is more like what is interesting going back to what you were saying before is this idea that you were saying that Adam is the father of the

cognitive revolution as a basic level of cognition lies our ability to speak and now now there are three things we seem to be converging nobody I think I think but the independent things we seem to be converting one is that Leslie microcurrent really for the moment she might have lived with Adam she might have been after her but let's focus on Adam but it's interesting how any of the verses of the Koran the speak of human origin nor the story even the story of Adam as well never actually mention Eve the quran doesn't mention Eve which is

it says in surah 49 verse 13 that we created you from one man and one woman but it doesn't you say that David couples right can you check that right so yeah okay let me bring the 49:13 yep yep Carrie I'm sorry and I'll bring that up so but but yeah let's focus on origin because I think Adam is the person focused on so let's say two hundred thousand let's take this view that Adam came around two to three hundred thousand years is that's that time given but let's say two hundred thousand years ago there is something else which can have its origin at two hundred thousand years and you know what is that modern

language language as we know all right so this is the the popular verse you're referring to of surah Hodja Hodja rot which is yeah you're nuts in Mecca means that kind of an answer which I'll not come sure Obama Kaaba is a little rfo in Nara McMahon the light at the bottom the people we created you from a male and a female means that Kareem could be in by chromosome and micro-grant really which is quite accurate but let's focus on this particular thing that to hunts let's say

that it's highly likely that Adam came around 200,000 what is interesting is it doesn't say out of curiosity I'm just saying not that to get caught up on it but it doesn't say a man and a woman but it says male and female that's I'm just saying that it's interesting but something definitely we can but let's come to this particular thing jack 200,000 years around 150 to 200 thousand years ago is the time when language and it is two hundred thousand years ago is the time when and not a mightily modern

humans people so they are the subspecies of Homo sapiens but evolution of language is even more interesting because if you see Noam Chomsky's view on it it's very interesting I find this very interesting I mean he argues that language came up because of a single mutation like humans were already ready for it but there was this just one missing block which offered by one random mutation and then he gives this analogy of a crystal you see in crystal if you have like you have water it's already close to freezing temperature and then you have one nucleation and bingo all of the crystal forms so if if one of the humans had this mutation for sophisticated language he was like you

can count 1 2 3 4 5 and then you can jump to infinity when you have this abstract realization which might have occurred through a genetic mutation it could pause now this is what I am thinking it would have given his children if it can be fit was inherited immense survival advantage and then that is why maybe history dominate and and it also fits with what for ominous talk saying Quran is saying that the speciality of Adam came because born taught him the names of all things but names came you know it's not just spoken language the idea is that language is and the other language is based on an abstract thinking which is embedded in our genetically embedded in us and because of this abstract thinking we can

realize the abstract concepts like Lord and we can realize many abstract concepts and this is this is something special that we Homo sapiens or rather an early modern humans and I'm not saying that we have this is food but again it would be interesting if any of the audience once they could take it up as a PhD project maybe relate these three things you're thinking too highly of this audience this is all GCSE

dropouts this is like nonsense that is coming from discovery altitude try making this you know there is the idea of norm Thomas skis view on language that language would have because of a single mutation in a human I'm not saying that this may be the only case there any other well-known Chomsky because a lot of his evidence that he's because he also posited the el-ad language acquisition device theory in

saying stating that the brain is he argues hardwired to for language so it's it's kind of preset for language as opposed to the other theory that as we're born as children we have the ability to absorb language so these are the two kind of theories where norm Chomsky is at the head of that the first theory saying no it is not a it is not something socialized it is internal yes its nature it's not nurture and and a

lot of the evidence is he's even used for that and then other subsequent people as well have it has been very compelling of how children even given certain circumstances where they've lived in very kind of pigeon speak have formed their own creole making a complete language themselves independently of the appearance and it's it's it's mean there's a lot of research which shows that but yes Ori carry on yeah so this is very interesting that all these things the development of a moral Lang modeling is a primitive language which then evolved into different modern languages and there's a lot about it in there how African languages have

more structures than many languages because they seem to come from a free language like a language which you've all subsequently in law some some of the structure but anyway so this idea that language evolved around 200,000 years ago there was 200,000 years ago there was you know we can trace that just just say there is some argument now that Neanderthals had some form of language but not as sophisticated or as developed as as modern sapiens so it seems that they had because the kind of the way the

larynx is kind of placed it's in between humans and apes and it seems that they may have had like very high-pitched kind of certain sounds I'm just saying that this idea of abstract language ability to speak reason obscene and abstract sense so this idea of this idea of innate ability to reason in abstraction it's it's dead converging with the development of anatomically modern humans and it's dates and everything with Y chromosome Adam there seems to be something interesting going on at

200,000 years but it might be that you know it might be there might be more to it or you know but this is something that people can research into but the idea that humans are humans Adam was given names of all things again it's highly probable not verified you know that map that was that the reason why Easter by history dominated but the idea that we can come from one man if you just take this idea from one man and you can say that as bigger as explicit dear as for one man but I mean one woman it's fine

these things are scientifically correct so you don't need to deny a theory of evolution for that these things are in builted the only thing is that this man Adam Elysium had his parents had you know had his but then he as Quran says he was preferred like his radius dominate and and there is no so it would be right to say that no there is nobody who is surviving independent of the treatment there where are the trees they tried they died down so the only tree that survived so all the tree that that remains to us is Adam and even Michael currently so pretty much 100% matching

with like there is no conflict view of data between what Quran is saying and what the theory of evolution is saying I know I mentioned to you previously that my thinking on on some of this and I've said that the the verses that speak of Adam Allison I'm eating from this forbidden fruit whatever it was are followed by them covering and you see shame is something which is 1/8 it's generally a social phenomenon it's in the presence of others that human beings tend to feel but it's also linked to

greater self awareness and and I felt that that that verse is is showing that Adam aleihsalaam at this stage of whatever that stage was that phenomenon that he he undergoes he experiences a greatest self-awareness he it feels his shame and he wants to cover you know forth of a pie yes he finally I leave I mean what a pill agenda they try to cover the their nakedness and this made me think that you see it seems from evidence seems to suggest that other species Neanderthals and and and other

sapiens as well they would have covered they would have had like some kind of coating and things like this but it made me think that maybe that was simply for warmth and it wasn't to do with shame and shame may have been just something that came with this greater self-awareness again I never thought about it but this is something we need to really read like there's much more to it but this there's a lot more to research here but the important thing that I think we can highlight right now to people is that there is nothing in a tin which contradicts evolution fact there's

a lot which supports it and the discussion of evolution and then we'll take five more minutes and we'll wrap with that but yeah I'm just worried about your time verse 14 says we created you in stages and in surah 71 verse 7 of these colorful tewara created you in stages you know and I mean surah 71 verse 17 it says we grieve you like a vegetation from her I mean you cannot imagine a communal of the inner Bertha you know if you see what happens when you grow when you sow a seed you you start with a simple structure and then it diversifies there

cannot be a better metaphor this is also you notice this the verse as well that speaks about well Alcala canal in sana allah speaks about the origin of in cern and it mentions in this particular in the verse in this particular verse people say that because allah is speaking of in san he says and that in san obviously inside speaking about they say Adam Ali Salam that means celerity maintain yet that this kind of something

this extract from clay or whatever and people say well that's obviously Adam so all the MOFA sitting right that that's Adam but then Allah says so much all Naju then we placed him not Faton faith car re machine then we made him a drop of sperm in a firm place which would be the embryo now you see here the Mufasa team get confused because that they say well the pronoun him we placed him the first him was Adam it says in son then we placed that in Sun as a drop

of sperm so some people tried to say well we can't say Adam was in a womb so you know what this is now speaking of someone else but that seems to break the flow of the verse now Adam of serene felt that okay maybe Adam too then was created in some kind of artificial womb but I said well why go to artificial when there were rooms about you know that you don't need to create an artificial womb wombs already existed so another way you know it starts but you know we play and then it evolves just because not also

means simple life and then then it it might be talking about various stages of evolution yeah because what happened thank you I'm I meant from the stage that the Quran is in this verse overwhelmingly supporting that Adam was born of room like this versus seems to clearly lean that way like you could you could interpret it differently but in all honesty you are doing a lot of acrobats and gymnastics in trying to interpret II if you just read that verse with no other you know

just with a clear clean slate you ready you would understand that the first in son that is being addressed was it born from womb because that's what the verse says yeah yeah but let's yeah so in terms of what happens within the womb is what happened in nature anything so and then then this beautiful metaphor about us growing like vegetation from Earth in simple words I can't think of the variants and why I was stressing that professor is because a lot of people feel that to say Adam was born of womb is kufur it's this belief like people feel

that this is you know because Allah says in another verse that about Adam were created you with my own hands so how could this be if he's off womb now the this is why I was just stressing that the actual verse of the Quran another verse of the Quran see it states by its if just looking at it at face value that Adam was of moon this is born from that's interesting because the people like for example people come up and say Oh Adams created from the hands of so how can it be evolution you see even if I take Salafi methodology like here they would say that we don't interpret

this verse because you can't interpret that would means you can't even like the process of evolution and this you know and it goes back to what I was saying you know evolution is enhanced by I see what you're saying that what you're saying is where Allah is saying that Allah to kabhi be a day that I have created you with my hands the hands of

God could be interpreted as the force of evolution the nature of being fair though a lot of people understood this just by language you understood it to mean with you know like as even has a would have written other people be like an ayah that you that God created Adam like as in Adam is a creation a result of K and delicate like telling to show a kind of bond and affection you know if you say look I brought your like I

brought you up with my own two hands I you know to a child it doesn't it doesn't mean you physically brought up the child with your own two hands it's kind of reflecting a delicacy and intimate kind of relationship that you have with the person yeah so I think with that we have like we have like the main problem that they have had what happens to the creation of adam it's very simple like the idea that humanity comes from one one person is not the basic data given in quran is not again science the only problem is this person had parents and he had there were other trees and there is no tree remaining

which has which is not from this person you might argue anyway but this basic data are given in quran and the fact that life can orient it from play and their life has come from oceans and you know just to be clear that because we do carry part most people carry part you know DNA a tiny part from other species as well like in the sense let's say 1 to 4 percent Neandertal non non Africans and then maybe 1% to 2% of Denisovans and and they say a full species as well potentially that isn't

really a contradiction in the sense of an overall because the overwhelming majority is what it is that's it's like like the true Coenen they might contain if to go honey who can trace their ancestry back to our own they might have other tree's mixing in but at least one like one of the that is the important thing so yeah yeah it's the overwhelming thing does go back to chromosomal Adam it doesn't Homo sapiens or Homo sapiens yeah like you know like by the time we have we we have our parents parents parents you know the tree is diversify

one of that person that we can trace our ancestry back is Adam this is yeah and then there are other tree's mixed so which is very interesting and it's and this is completely correct there yeah so there's nothing in Quran which contradicts evolution in fact it were willingly supports it and people don't even need thank some people who try to justify evolution with Quran they'd go to metaphorical interpretations of Adam you don't need to do that because you know what quran is stating is perfectly correct it is only that if you start viewing it in terms of with the help of author he said hadith and in genesis

narratives and imagine that Adam had no parents and there were no other trees and there's no other humans then you would get it and sure if you I I always marveled how the Quran never explicitly ever avoids to say certain things like even when it's speaking of Jesus and they ask of Jesus it could have just very easily just said like it could have just said look by the way Adam had no parents there's nothing if the Koran had said that the people in the day and age would have just accepted it as well it wouldn't have the message wouldn't have flopped but because people

wouldn't have known about evolution in that sense and they would have just accepted that okay you know fair enough there was just one person and he came out of no way but the or I never said that still despite the audience being you know very receptive to even that idea now in a similar way when Allah when they asked about Jesus and a lot doesn't say Jesus doesn't have a dad but rather says oh well he's like Adam answering it enigmatic and I've always found that quite interesting this dual structure in

it you see if you said Jesus did not have a Jesus had like had a father then you completely shut Christians off then if there is no question or you know they will not listen to any especially if they are Catholic and or or or products you will know they will not listen but yeah but you know what it goes back to this dual structure I have been talking about so you can't read it as Jesus and Adam both had no fire ferrets or you can read it as Jesus and Adam had parents and table both misunderstood would not have favourites so because you know it will make a scientist to table and it will make itself like it will make a

scientist like me comfortable and it can also make a Christian company and it's so so so so there is this really possible and when it comes to judo Christianity Quran does this over and over again and again I mean Quran doesn't even explicitly say it's my lord circa second we have been fortified but wisdom to it and many and many Muslims did although they were the minority did infer it was his hoc yeah whatever actual case was apart from that if it had said this are Arabs would have found it problematic and if it had said smile Jews and Christians would have

problematic so Quran has this innate dualistic reading possible that every group can be comfortable I mean ever I'll sit down with you someday hopefully and we will discuss judo Christianity in Quranic perspective it's very interesting again but let's come let's finish the stop pick up hmm I want to come up by the way Colleen Turner had given his Salam from Durham I'm not sure when let's come to let's come to one thing you see one of the really interesting things I find now

I'm talking about life beyond Earth one of the nice things so we're done with evolution are we talking about life you order one of the nice things that I've learned about Quranic is that it says we created seven heavens and of Earth a similar number in geocentric model of Earth there is yeah yeah yeah no I was gonna say on the first for middle of the myth Lihue Netta seven heavens and from the earth like them as well like the heavens as well now this is interesting because it's very kind of mind-boggling

when you read it you think what is this talking about because there's only one they rate seven Earth's so this idea that you know salmon could be many here in salmon yeah here meaning that like just like there are many universes in all mean many of those universes that surely in our universe there are other planets that had contained life so this is very interesting and then you know what I find really interesting in Quran is for example surah 17 verse 70 it says God has preferred humans were a large number of what he has created not who

are all of what is things which are more iron in terms of consciousness than humans are capable of doing higher evylyn or higher good and we are able to reach you know divine you know what's interesting there as well it specifies the children of Adam and Eve all look at karana Bani Adam I like a theorem min men colic not soft illa Allah Cathy Lisa Allah cool you know not upon job everything but what I can I like her feel but many we just we just do like predominate but does not mean that there are not alien species which are much higher than us I mean one thing that I

blows my mind apart is this verse surah 40 verse 57 when it says that the creation of heavens and earth is a greater thing than the creation of men but most men know not this blows my mind apart because you know in most of the world religious Islamic theology humans humans humans are supposed to be the center think about the Creator but that's not true I mean in short of 40 verse 29 it says we created heavens and earth so having here beginnings the universe and put living creatures in both of them so there are definitely living creatures in the universe and even though we have

preference in terms of we have preferred over all life on earth there is no way we are preferred in all life on in our universe and certainly not the multiverse and I find it so nice that Quran says that you know you you do small the creation of heaven and earth is much greater than your creation but universe you're not that in Quran talks in this way like this it's a core so deep with me because one of the problems that you have with many religious philosophies and including the way medieval Islamic philosophy has developed it is so human centric

everything is made for form but a person living on planet Earth then you mean to you you know tell me that all the universe everything you all these galaxies are made because of Jesus seriously like seriously you're gonna get up a photo of Cooper coming when people watch this they're gonna be like this doctor me for self cafe or Cafe cafe the problem in control mankind is that if you take profits as moral you know your moral anchor such as you know as lamps in the somehow of dunya this is

beautiful but if you take them you like you know if you place them as best example for humankind I can see that but you know if if you try to given use them and blow them out of proportion that doesn't make sense too I mean you have to understand that alien life out there for which we are really pretty we are self consciousness so we are worth something but there might be species which are very advanced and to say that I always feel this way it's like somebody sitting in a small village that saying you know what America is making this policy and we say in the Cold War and fighting with Russia before

so because they want to get because of what I have done here - in my garden this book is in Arabic there's a story that this one of the caliphs was he was going past and he sees you know they have these people clean the sewers they call him in order to bangies like so basically people clean the toilets and sewers and stuff so these kunafa mean arabic enough and

he is going past the Khalifa's and he's on this kind of in this you know whatever he's going in his thing but he overhears this conversation of these two kind of sewer men right so one of them says to the other he says you know he says I've heard the recent politics between the Calif and you know is was Eid and this and he says you know what since the Calif I said this he's lost all respect in my eyes like he's dropped from my like me no zero seguir yeah he's like drop from my you know the status

has dropped and this is a guy who's working the sewers so the cave and he says he became a proverb proverbial statement they says I'm fulfilment well it's tough asama his nose is submerged in water he yeah is us is floating in the sky is like this like how can I have dropped from his if the way he's

saying it just look like we have to we have to be careful like you know one of my like I met ones people from Hari Krishna moment who were trying to argue that board is the planet living God's Lord is a human living on some planet I told him like you know and after after while he got and it's like he was talking nonsense and I told him you know what just next time you pray just go out in the garden and turn to return to the sky and say god you're a you are great and I'm just an ape remember who you are don't like blow yourself out of

proportion you are a name will be stored with a bit of intelligence you have been given Olympic limits so we're basically elevated apes as opposed to fallen angels that's what you're dignified eh that's a nice it's important that humans go out I think this is a really nice prayer whenever you get this delusion about who you are turn to sky god you're great I'm just an ape

that's a nice private mythic so that you remember your humble origins I mean humans have this problem of ego it irritates me like seriously like they blow things out of proportion they forget who they are but but then you know like Quran again so I think with this literally Quran has this beautiful structure sometimes but confusing the scales of this structure gets people confused like for example this this verse God created the heavens and earth and his throne was over water - and then

it I think I says pretend to test which of you does the best of deeds here it's you know it's scaling down first from the then it's saying water like your you know evolution starts from water and then you are there and then then the discussion shifts to you if I remember correctly but is that what's the worse do you remember I mean the thing about the throne this is for me to indicate

that the evolution of life started from water and because if you like can you read move the asuras in lamb and verse 7 it's actually a really nice burst can you find that just indeed just go through all the security checks on my phone sorry say that again 1111 711 7 right so rude just go in there the halacha sumati well of the facility am and it is he who created the heavens and the earth in six days work earn our zoo

Alma and his throne was above water Lea blue akame you Kumar Sanu am Allah and that he may test you or try you to see who is the best in action but it starts from the scale of the universe comes down to the scale of you know evolution in water and then says that you are the product of this and because of which you would do to see which if you do what kind of need you do against salivation in here and then when it goes on the same verse it does because I stopped there but it does say well in

culture in nakooma by Osuna member tilman celia Poulin latina kefir ooh in hatha lacera movie and if you tell them that you will once again come to life after death they will say that is but only magic now I suppose that links in the whole thing of creation and the concept of death as well isn't it because away you're seeing everything from nothing like the cosmos emerging from because one of the things because now you know people we have this thing of look you know we have this understanding

that matter is just energy yeah and from energy you know comes matter but prior to this understanding can you can you think that to tell somebody matter rocks things come from nothing like a sense of nothingness like they don't it it can't be completed yeah yes but it doesn't make any sense does it so to them that's the same magic and and you know hopefully we will do that next time but it goes back into how salivation and do you know our journey to God is related closely to evolution

what I told you last time and we were discussing that it's a when Quran says that you prefer the lower life but the final outcome hereafter is much better so hereafter of course means you know Quran doesn't say that we will continue our existence post life it says you will be recreated in a but then these are separate discussions we should have one day joined here but then this idea that you know we prefer like a lower life like sex and other things you're free you know through a free evolutionary flight your mammalian brain or your aphelion brain is so I thought how does that conversation jump to sex and so I missed an episode here I thought wow we

jump to the juicy red where I must've fallen asleep and missed all of that that is what gets activated and then because the final out because professor that would be a language that all of our audience would immediately understand we're still we're still operating at that mammalian level you see the reptilian level we're like but yes so I think one of the things is that you know with this there are some small like you

repeat there's some small misunderstandings left here and there in certain understanding some small misunderstanding is left here and they by God and I think what would yeah but the important thing is you know if you can you can eat like if you want to stick so this is the thing they like including this thing but now this is the important thing who is this lecture important food if it is like people who have fixed it mind like you might be a Salafi thinking that I want to actualize the meaning of Quran

in terms of what sahabas understood it I want to recreate seventh century or a PR you have more than welcome to do so this lecture is of zero benefit the meaning that the meaning of Quran is again seventh century Arabia therefore Quran it cannot have a scientific reinterpretation again this it won't be meaningful of you to listen the thing is that any person would know that that that can't this statement can't essentially be true I was asked also in a dialogue with an ex-muslim where he asked me that look what you're saying is

fine but let's be honest do you think the prophet mohammed salah salem understood it in this way and then second question is follow question follow-up was that are you then not saying you know more than the prophet now my response to that was look that's a misleading question because the prophet salallahu alaihe salam himself the quran it is from the prophet and the Quran has things in it like Alif LAAM Meem for example and the Prophet is in himself saying look the verses of the Quran are saying they are mutashabihat there are things we don't know what they mean there are things that may be

understood in different ways so it it doesn't mean that you are somehow more intelligent or more righteous or more it just means that in your time this will this understanding will unfold it's my charge it just give me one second okay people that is professor mere Faisal who is really with the amount of information he's been giving us it's really just totally blown my mind I was explaining earlier on that I've shifted my schedule

from being a vampire to a normal human being and it's it's it's been a you know it it's it's differently productive differently and it's I mean I I'm like any but it really wears me out at this stage but all this information has been amazing yep this is the important thing you know movie before we can you know sorry before we like before even we can go to this interpretation see there are

only two it's content one you can say that its meaning is actualized at the time prophet then if you to take that and if you do it you take the view that for example scholars of the past our large stick of understanding it it is impossible to do design patience I mean the problem is people miss me like mix you know become mixtures of the two either you become a Soloff and say you know what I'm not going to use the reason I'm not going to take basically and people in past have understood it I'm just blindly going to follow them in fact this is exactly the interestingly

the arguments that were given by enemies of the prophets in Quran like they used to say we shall follow every citizen our fathers our house Amma which is not a he they said this is what our fathers yeah and the prophets computer so either you become a person of tradition or to 3% of all right you know interestingly sometimes people who are against Islam and people who have this literalistic understanding of Islam they agree on what Islam is it is people like us who have a different understanding they were killers then you don't understand I have a thing that we have a dualistic

and for our possible I'm not saying linguistically their their arguments cannot be justified but linguistically you can have this alternative reading of Quran which is completely consistent with modern science not only that subtle hints without within Quran will show that it is hard to interpret it that way rather natural to interpret it this for example does sama-sama wat mean this geocentric model of earth with you know which was given the earth or does it mean multiverse well in the summer in the geocentric model of Earth you have only one earth and you have Hammonds like stars on the top in the highest

asana and Quran Jesus stars in the are in the logo sama and then it says there are as there are many Samara there are equally many earths this does not exist in any of those so subtle hints I think I think it's amazing I was gonna say professor a few people are asking some questions if we if we take some rapid rapid round questions I know I my my clock is kind of like shut down biological clock I'm fighting it people I'm fighting it don't worry so there's a

question here that uh where do we go it was a technical question for you Oh mostly please ask him about the two theories in physics adding class of Sylvester James gates and or or of Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff I've got no idea what he I did recognize the name Roger Penrose Sir Roger Penrose hello professor either have we this lost professor on memento but I think

professor you what's going on professor hello hello seems to be a poor Network there it's saying on let me just one moment I'm just cool

right you're back so I'm calling you from my computer I see I see I can hear an echo coming back but okay sure I'm not sure there was a question I'm not sure if you understood that question yes so it's a James Gates work on the fact that in super string theory it goes back to what I am saying in Super Snake an you hear me I can I can yeah okay so in super string theory that he has said that you know you can reduce it to a computer code not in any kind of computer code a

self-replicating computer code but it goes back to what I am saying that no matter what approach you take he has taken super string theory and he's applied certain graph theoretical techniques to it but that which may or may not be correct I mean it's a really nice theory once trying to do something with it but actually wasn't able to like I did not finish that work it was a very interesting work I had tried to do with the mathematician when we tried to use some other craft in theoretical techniques but anyway the important thing is whether you take his work on supersymmetry or you take any other work it goes back to this what does he say supersymmetry reduces to computer code which is eight so it goes back to this that no matter what you take what theory

you take you take it serious enough you will reduce to eight but sorry where you reduce to bit so no matter what it you take and you you know you take it far enough you will reduce to bid what he's really doing is sucker symmetric string theory into her kind you know into a kind of graph theory using graph theoretical techniques interest supplying computer code kind of stuff like and he's finding some the code that it resembles is a self-correcting code which is very interesting I mean it's a very very interesting thing but yeah but he's using again he's doing I usually do he's using techniques from across the board he's using superstrings

graph theory so not many people are familiar with it I really liked that work I wanted to do something with it but I even talked to a mathematician but then I you know there are many works I start but never end up finishing so basically it's the the it is from the bit and if you should buy this by this point understand this it's nice that you can hear me on my computer I was worried my phone got off just when you asked me a question so people will go like trust

me this very little professor doesn't know this very little and speaking of that really Mufti has been extremely helpful for example India a lot of things he has clarified for me so yeah people right so guys mmm let's take another we'll take a final question from here let me just see question is when he says modern science can be specified modern science theory and not modern science that's very important I'm not

sure if that's the question is that a question I think that's a comment so what I think what he might be commenting on is that when I mentioned like see certain things I mentioned which we know for sure like there's not much debate in it but certain things I mentioned there's a lot of debate in it and you know so so we should you know it's important that we should between the door and some things I mentioned which may be true but you know it would it would be nice for people to work on it so so yeah so I I think we should clearly distinguish between these different approaches sure right are

there any I know somebody had asked me about sharing some book suggestions forget about me let's a professor would you would you recommend any particular books or things to people okay my this is what people say like my problem is that when I read I read technical stuff cha-cha-cha-cha people business professors saying that recommend yeah I don't recommend a set of coloring in books if I can recommend for like five-year-old 7 year olds to something

because just like you know it there's the bit and then this starting with but yeah it's very hard for me to recommend something on popular science because of the fact that you know I have read technical stuff so you can ask me a

specific question or maybe for a specific thing I can tell you that you read this and that also we discussed a lot you know we discussed so you can ask me specific thing and I can tell you where to find that there you go people right that's no I'm just teasing but I'm sure look these things you have to learn them gradually to be fair you see professor you know my my reading a lot of it is very scattered like I learn by just what I do is I I ask a lot of questions about what I'm interested in so I now end up researching them so I might Google something I'm reading something I'll find out about let's say

an author or a book I'll now read about that purse and meanwhile I'll check something I'll start reading about that and it's like I've got these you know 20 different tabs open and I'm learning about a topic and I might then buy a book on it I might watch five lectures on it I might so when people but people assume that I've just read one particular thing so they'll ask me you know this is interesting tell me what book I should read to learn about it not to which what I forgot to mention is while so I'm reading I'm sometimes running my own theories and I'm kind of like thinking you know maybe this could be like this this could be

like this and so it's really difficult even when I'm doing certain stuff to recommend to people what to do so I just say you have to proactively learn just like I do I cannot help appreciate how similar we are mostly because that's and in terms of asking questions this is what I tell people that when they want to do research the idea is you ask write questions if you have the right question then you might if you have an interesting question then you know how to answer interestingly well I wish I could I wish I could say I think in mathematical formulas but that's just

pure BS if I said that that's just you know mystically when people ask me what is my native tongue the tongue in which you think I thought about it and I really said my innate you take these mathematics because that is a tongue I think that is how I can think everyone has his native tongue my native tongue is possibly mathematics I would say I mean I could I think like that as well it's usually just a zero Mattox but ya know masha'allah mon professeur you know what you've shared so much with us this has been amazing there I know there's a

lot more we we've got to discuss as well because in our own discussions we're speaking about a lot of things which are not live so we've got to do insha'Allah more sessions on the other topics this one we did want to focus on science and the Quran and there's certain verses that people highlight that they feel are contradictions or errors or just like they feel I'm not saying that but Islamophobic or sometimes Islam critics will say oh look this is you know just foolishness being mentioned in the Quran

it doesn't mean anything it sounds silly so I think you know over the past few hours you've expanded quite you know with much detail you know just overwhelmingly really you've kind of given so much just a backdrop to all those verses you've kind of filled in so many gaps and people may need to watch what this this video twice or three times to to kind of fully truly fathom nobody this is very true because you know there are two kinds of verses people criticize one thing is like you

know people who have fixed in mind they will come up and say oh Quran is not scientific because it talks of sunset seriously you do like these are things that people can instantly address but then there are some sophisticated issues I think like for example the age of the herd the multiple use of sama evolution those things I think needed some thinking so so I really wanted to like I've been thinking about it for a while so you gave it thank you for the opportunity of getting it on line I did not know how like I thought of writing about it but in death and then question is not many people read so it's nice that I could and if Europe if you wrote a professor

very few people would father me you you're writing super technical you know this is what I said last time that you know it's it's what that means said you see the more intelligent you are the more dumb you sound to dumb people it's like the stupid people think why is this person saying is he stupid but obviously they're the stupid ones the person is just too intelligent for them so but definitely one thing I agree like do we had this really nice discussion on what hereafter is that and then maybe one of these days we can sit down seefs we have missed on some verses that

people still indicate oh they like like like I would say misunderstand those verses and allege that there is an error in Quran even though there isn't based on that misunderstanding maybe you and me can sit down one of these days and finish your hopefully deal with those and yeah it has been such a pleasure Mufti knowing you you know I had tried to know you for some time like I tried to attack you for some time and it's fine and honestly it's it's an honor I you know in my mind I I suppose it's how you see yourself as a person in my mind I honestly the way I see my I see people

might think people my people are gonna think yeah they say like ah you know the guy is just chatting BS and trying to sound you know say this but I'm legitimately saying this that I I'm I'm always still kind of overwhelmed by like kind of awestruck how people you know that they give me they're like like you professor like how you'll give me your time you'll give me your attention I'm actually deeply flattered you know people will say oh yeah Mufti I want because in my mind I don't see myself at all nothing like and I don't even see myself as an academic academic person I don't

I do love learning that which I see as different to academia which I used to I still hate kind of rise to hate writing assignments and I've already left school with no GCSE easy but this is so I find it amazing that a professor who you know people of an academic background or in that world share their thoughts and time with me I find it you know I'm deeply indebted to you professor of the serious amount of research that you have done and put on for example care if you sum it up and of course at the prerequisite for it you could get easily a PhD based

or that metabolically speaking in Islam there very few people I listen to her Jamila Montgomery is one of them and you happen to be another one of them so it has been a pleasure talking to them well we'll have to carry this on and of course right now is the lockdown but if it when it's over and you do visit the UK because you've spent a long time haven't you professor those ten years there I did my PA my stirs there my PhD there and two postdocs dear well well we got to do a proper in-person chill

session I will in the future sometimes but but before that we'll do our other lives but cool once again much love sugar and thank you all for spending this time with us some people if you do want to reach out to to Professor the best way to do so is by last time you mentioned about googling you and then finding you through the journals is that email me just moving my google my name you will get my email see that's it Google my name you get my email see me method how I worry people

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