Monday Nights with Mufti Abu Layth: Session 102.5

people I have no idea what just happened there for some reason it just disconnected I hope it did get stored and saved I just had to restart that no idea I'll wrap it up in a few minutes I just thought well let me no idea what happened there as I'm just saying the whole thing just shut down on me makes no sense nevertheless right off one off one let's take uh some quick questions and we'll wrap this up I don't

I just hope he got saved right so comments on the Shia Brothers called the on YouTube about the Aisha and the prophet drinking from another wife's house I don't uh sh Brothers call with the de the on YouTube about the prophet drinking from another wife's house I'm not sure what that means i' I've not seen this comment um you see the Shia I've said before that you know with the Shia General beliefs you see there's two

things when it comes to the Shia in my understanding one is the actual belief side of things and one is the way forward where we are today as far as the belief side is concerned I do feel that generally the Shia beliefs are flawed um because they are based on just way too much emotion it's a very emotional kind of saga and I would say look more than anything what I think the argument that which is really against the Shia is that you see to say

that the prophet's wife or his best friends in essence um were betrayers of the dean let's just say in the nicest way then okay let's let's say the most nicest of sh or to say in a way not to use the word betrayers but let's say they were going to say people who were not were kind of uh antithetical they were they were damaging to the prophet's message let's put it like that so they weren't people that helped the prophet's message message they actually caused his message

more harm that to me would show that the prophet sallallah alaihi wasallam that I'm just saying to an objective person that would show that the prophet made poor choices that he his own he couldn't even choose decent friends and he couldn't even choose a decent wife you see so if anything it's a failure it reflects as a failure of the Prophet you know God forbid so although the Shia don't say that but I'm just saying this is what it

reflects to an uh objective person so the Shia arguments in essence are just emotional I from an argument perspective I think it is flawed I think it has a lot of Supernatural things in there which is ironic because a lot of the Shia is based on reason so they're very reason-based people but their beliefs are very anti-c counter reason so their beliefs are like the imams are infallible can never make mistakes stuff like this um so from a belief perspective I I'm not convinced at all from a belief

perspective um with the Shia kind of tradition but that said the f is usually based on a lot of Reason which I which I do I I you know I I applaud that but then moving forward so I said there's two things one is the the Theology and one is moving forward the sociological perspective I think look there's no point arguing with Shia I think there's no point really having I mean if people want to have a dialogue that's different I think a dialogue a debate in a dialogue form I think is fine but otherwise I think look

there's no point we need to really we need to understand that we're not going to agree on certain things and that's fine it's okay to disagree I mean I don't accept those views of the Shia but it's okay you know like everybody doesn't have to think like me do you understand like I'm not trying to say that yes they may not be fond of mua I personally am very fond of mua as a I think mu was a great um what's the word he he a strategist I think one of the greatest strategists of our Islamic Legacy I think he was

somebody that really knew public relations how to handle um and I admire that in him but that said I understand the Shia would say that would you accept that he made mistakes I would say of I accept that I mean I'm not I'm not I mean I don't know maybe we may not agree on the specifics of these mistakes but my point is to me I'm not saying these people were infallible or were some kind of angels on Earth I just I admire them and they hold a high ranking position of respect in my mind for the kind of things that they did in general like the

way they were so as Mu the way he could handle really tense situations in early Islam and managed to stabilize the entire region of Islam for four decades four decades following huge turbulences and Civil Wars and after him was followed by huge turbulenc es and Civil Wars so his four decades was of stability yet he was not somebody perceptibly or ostensibly somebody apparently ruling with an iron fist the Shia May argue that he he got his other henchmen to do that which may be the

case I'm not saying he didn't but he himself came across very diplomatically and I think that's a to me as a person I find that an amazing skill and trait but my point is look some may say that we um some Shia may say that look we uh you know don't like mu fine I mean like I'm not saying like what I'm trying to say is I know that I get that you don't like him and in your you have a narrative and an understanding where you feel he was oppressive fine like we don't need to

talk about that we can just move forward as a you know with whatever like these things we just won't talk about them then it's no problem like I don't think um that's if do you get my uh do you get my my my my point in what I'm saying the call I haven't heard the call but you see the problem as well if I'm going to be honest is I think a lot of the the sunnis do attack the Shia harshly okay they attack the Shia really harsh and they make a lot of fun of them they mock them they ridicule them they call them all kinds of names they say

you know you C you're M you don't believe in the Quran I heard people saying stuff like oh your imams are like Power Rangers and you know you believe in 12 power rang I don't know if Power Rangers are 12 or not but that's what I heard somebody saying and these kind of things and this is utterly unacceptable you see even if we do not believe in the Imam concept of these kind of infallible um imams like the way the Shia do what we need to do is we need to show respect okay we need to so like we disagree disprove it like disprove it through reason honestly it's not

difficult to disprove through reason some of these are but then then the problem is we're not people of Reason unfortunately but we shouldn't be disrespecting them because when we push them they will push back and then they start to say things obviously against certain Companions and and then it infuriates certain sunnis and and and then they respond back with swis and they respond back and this is a NeverEnding vicious cycle so I would say look I accept that certain Shia do I and I don't mean the outright rightwing fascist kind of Shia

like uh y or those people I mean the general Shia some general May sometimes make some um you know they may make some kind of derogatory statements um towards Companions and things like this I think it's unfortunate but they may but let's just what I'm trying to say is let's be honest you just have to go online and see that sunnis are doing sometimes 10 times worse to provoke them and I just feel that the provocation needs to stop and then obviously that needs to stop as well they need to refrain but we need to

refrain from provoking them and these debates in Hy Park are useless you know to me these things are useless okay I think like bringing up books with loads of let's say absurd Shia quotes it does no good to anybody you know it just breeds hatred like so I think we shouldn't do stuff like that we shouldn't even if some of the I'm sure I'm sure look I'm sure many Shia books have abs ities in them I'm sure many Sunni books have absurdities in them I could start quoting to you books just I've got here that would have absurdities in them this is all generally Sunni unless there's some

sectarian stuff but otherwise it's all Sunni stuff I could open things where they're saying things like oh we believe that all non-muslims are not entitled to any we believe this we believe people have been saying all kinds of stuff but just because they said it we don't need to agree with it you understand done so people might say that people have said things that have been wrong so if they if they were wrong they were wrong you know like but but by us constantly bringing up saying hey look you know like hey check this quote out you know it's just absurdities it's like I remember there was a book written once

about um against following the mhbs what was it called it was something about how following the MS is it was in Arabic that of the fours is or something but in there they just had a list of all the absurdities by uh several Scholars within the F within the M like so one scholar had said if if a couple have sex they need to do which is a given okay you need to kind of there's a ritual wash you just wash basically afterwards so they had said well okay so what if a man entirely enters into the vagina of a

woman this is honestly this is the qu this is the question he was saying what if he entirely enters and you think well what the hell is going on in that guy's imagination go okay I'm coming here it goes he got that Rambo kind of in slow

motion first he did it for his country now he's doing it for his love right so so this so they were saying like ha like look at this stupidity now that is a stupid statement it's true but that doesn't mean because you're follow a m your Hani or Maliki or shaf like you follow a school of law and interpretation which in all sense is the only way to to to learn about Islam it doesn't mean that you follow these

stupid opinions so and then they had like another opinion that let's say uh I remember they quoted him on uh him saying that like if you're pointing like where should you face because there's a famous issue that there's some of the hills in Makkah are higher than the Kaa so should you be facing in that direction or how do you face and so they said yes you face at the K where the where the Kaa is but what if the Kaa got up and started floating around should you still face that direction or should you start facing the the Kaa as it's moving

around you can tell these guys were kind of like so today's all right sorry I just realized I dropped the mic so today's f is uh is the Kaa is moving around people where should we F so these are the kind of absurdities that so in this book they had a hell of a lot of list of just I was almost about to swear then they had a list of just dumb stuff that people had said and they were

saying ha follow my and then you know it's like these were the Geniuses from nud you know those bedwin this is the thing I mean look at that they even worse that but my point is that this was their reputation and I agree with them that these opinions are absurd but just because you align yourself to a particular way of thinking doesn't mean you have to honor every opinion that every damn man came up with so yeah so that's my point I hope that

makes some sense uh was the prophet a pagan before Revelation no of course the prophet wasn't a pagan um the prophet grew up um generally they say that the prophet was the term used was Han um as in recognizing the culture but he would meditate and he would understand because even the Arabs believed in in God they believed in God and ultimately they knew that this statue like let's say here is a statue right they knew that this statue

was not the ultimate God they knew that because hence in the Quran it says it quotes the Arab saying that we only use these uh so we can get closer to God Zula so we use these as a means to get close to God so that's um I hope that answers that so meditation what was the prophet doing in uh Mount her the prophet would meditate um and that was a general practice okay that people would just just slow everything down and just to kind of put

out block out the noise yeah so I hope that's of some any rapid round I tell you what let's take one two just quick yes no what's going going on what's going on does the crescent and the moon what is the release date yeah we've got a I keep saying this but we are actually researching into the whole second coming of Jesus thing a lot of research I in fact a new um there's a book I'm going through by Hugo monberg on witness testimony on the stand amazing book really recommend it uh it's a classic and he's like the from the pioneers of forensic psychology and I just got a

book uh just this week arrived called it's by a Dr Alan uh ah Jones is it or something but but nevertheless the book is called War and Peace the concept of the Messiah and it's about the emergence of this concept of the Messiah in the judaic tradition how it evolved over Millennia a really fascinating read that I'm going through so there's a lot of kind of I'm I'm I'm trying to research a lot of angles into this what is a rhetorical device a rhetorical device is uh oh wait a minute is this I answered somebody a question

yesterday about rhetorical device if this is linked to that um a rhetorical device is how you use language and uh you use it in a certain way so somebody had asked me yesterday that why does Allah have the Angels say that he will ask the angels to say certain things um when Allah himself knows so there's two there could be two reasons for this one that this could just be a rhetorical device that Allah is just saying it because human beings understand things like that they understand them as in as a form of emphasis like as in a way like in a in a way when a person says right

tell me have you know you tell me what is he saying like it's not that the person doesn't know but it's a form it creates a form of emphasis that's one the other uh so that's more like as a rhetorical device you're not saying it to learn it's what they call in Arabic so sometimes you have this thing like if you've uh like in Udu the people people do it a lot actually like let's say you've come to somebody's house and they'll say ah so you've come uh so you know they'll even though it's obvious you've come obviously you're there but they'll say it's just a rhetorical it's

what they call that you're just reinforcing the fact that this has happened now the other aspect is that this is not real uh sorry that this is a system because men want that system that when I say men as in human beings want there to be Witnesses and therefore God has the angels as Witnesses that's an aspect do you how do mon how do monetize your knowledge how do you earn from your knowledge I don't earn from my knowledge my friend uh but I mean you I'm not sure how you want to earn from what was the reason of

J right it's two I've got a video already before on that uh it's too lengthy to go into it's the battle uh between uh the armies of Ali and Sham mu and Ali but it it happens in the year 37 H the year before 36 H is the Battle of Bas where Ali takes his armies from Medina to fight Zu and his army [Music] Zu and it's a very problematic era in our history okay but it's happened nevertheless

uh why have you committed bid by moving your Monday night's talk to Tuesday bres are definitely going to hate this right I haven't moved it can you explain the Hadith where it says on the authority of Abu Hur but for the BN is meat would never Decay this is a false Hadith it is in bukari that Abu Hur transmits that meat would never go off if it wasn't for B is it's obviously that's um it's a it's a madeup kind of statement the prophet would never have said things like this in in a Hadith bya yep I've answered that how long did it take Allah to create the heavens and the Earths God

knows I was hardly sitting there saying yep god well yeah if you can do the next galaxy a bit faster please I was hardly sitting there doing that God knows our understanding so far is that this uh universe is probably what about 14 odd billion years old whether this universe has come from other universes as in a spin-off from there God knows then that puts the whole thing back can you explain the reasoning behind the story of the people of the cave I do have a video on that the people of the cave it does mention Allah

is quoting them saying that 309 years he's not saying that they slept for 309 years right so I hope that helps what is your opinion on MMI and Tam that's a different uh debate I think these people were just rulers who were Muslim they weren't really on no Islamic Mission but they did obviously along the way people did convert to Islam was Imam gazali against gin possession H I'm not really too sure I think there was one could say some of his writings inclin that way and where can we meet

you s all right well inshallah I'll have one of my lives uh one of these lives live at the ark uh one of the days this month you can pop down then inshallah hi new Muslim here Sadi Al wasan who was Abdul wahab and why was everyone going crazy Abdul wahab was a very respectable uh Elder from Pakistan laor who was one of the senior figures in the uh in theik jamaat movement and he was one of the last remaining people of the sh so they had an international sh that kind of LED which was the committee basically or the

council that led theik jamaat worldwide recently theik jamaat have had a split because the Manana s who's the principal the head of the council is saying it should ultimately be up to him uh he should just become the global Amir some people are saying no there should always be a Shah but the problem is from all the sh the council all other members had died off there's only two remaining members Malana s in India and mulana Abdul wahab sorry Abdul wahab from laor Pakistan who was incredibly senior in age many years ago I went to Pakistan I mean sorry when I was in Pakistan many

years ago um so probably in I was in Pakistan from probably the year 2000 till 2005 right so during those years in Pakistan uh you had I could I went to visit I went to rynd laor uh where the main Markus ofik Jama is and I did stay there for not a long time maybe just uh two days two three days but I did see Abdul wahab then I did meet him uh shook hands with he was even then I mean

this is we're going back almost almost two decades he then was a really old man and Subhan Allah he's just passed away now may Allah Grant him an elevated Mak in J he was a person as far as I'm aware who was always very non sectarian uh and I have huge respect for that besides the fact that he was an elder and we should have respect for our elders uh he was was also non sectarian and he did a lot ofma for this de may Allah reward him um you know it doesn't just because you you're not part of a particular movement doesn't mean you can't show respect to the elders from that movement right so so I do have much respect and I make Dua

for him [Music] inshd why nature is cruel a that's a lengthy question is the it has to be in order to kind of move on and evolve right people let's wrap this up it's been over two hours whoa whoa people what a vampire session so guys so remember to like uh if you haven't liked my page if you haven't liked my my page wait if you haven't

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DU that Allah be uh Transcendent above that which they ascribe to him you know when they ascribe all this kind of God saying God is uh this kind of this control freak and sist and he's above subh that which they Des ascribe onto him him and and the best of salutations and peace upon the Messer who

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