Mufti's Meetup (September)

right the audio should now be live people i was uh i couldn't quite see i can now it was on mute let's see it shouldn't be on mute now um well what's going on let me post this here alright

i hear about your uh there's a a group that you've made well good good there you go people social media inaya is the one right mute eloquence look at these people are fry so we have already guys if you want to join in this is your let me just post it once again

all right that's the code let me see who do we have here mufti abu alpha oh

you know i've been seeing this uh profile and i thought to myself who is mufti so it's you no i think one of your mods made me at first because i thought i was like mocking you or something but now it wasn't like that where you from where you joining from man tell us about yourself i'm from boston you're doing it boston

so what's going down mom what's how's it how are things over there what's what's going on what's preoccupying your thoughts i mean the united states is like i think it's stupid but because of the coronavirus thing but very different that's the world all over man the world doing college online sucks what are you studying i don't know yet i'm not undecided that that's the formula to life just wing it all yeah next year i'm planning on like going to mcgee to study so ah right okay you've inspired me to like

i don't know i know you don't like like this thing but like no but i mean but fair enough wherever wherever a person goes but yeah man that's awesome what what's your name by the way what what do we call you apart from alpha my name is mohammed but no one calls me that they call me alpha that's my mother all right alpha alpha and omega that's it you do in it you're doing it well all right that's awesome man it's a pleasure to hear from you i mean yeah it's good oh abs sugar and sugar and absolute much love and it's good to put a face

to the profile all right we'll we'll catch up man take care stay blessed all right people that was um somebody said still no facebook here on facebook it says i'm live why is why is it not live then wait there let me see uh

i'm gonna click on to the facebook page i can't tell no i can see myself live on facebook what are you talking about man i could see myself live alright so people what is go whoa i'm just confusing myself now where is it gone wherever all right there it is all right so people what is going on yeah some of the some people said capital said no uh dark matter i think that too but live is live

you do and it you do and if i had you do and it facebook is fine yeah so people man there's a huge lag in the youtube stream that's a shame they shouldn't be really uh omar omar is saying make me a mod man make me a mod i'm always here you're doing it you know what well when you're on the live next time remind me because this is not uh even though this is stream to youtube but i'm not on youtube right now so you know i can't

make your mod so these these conversations that i'm seeing right now i'm seeing them on stream yard so alright mercy you're doing it you doing it right people let me share the link alright this so what is preoccupying the precious thoughts of me gente out there what's going on you know this really irritates some people by the way and i love to do it even more when i know that yeah that irritates them

so what is going down we've got how are you doing and where are you joining us from man um i'm from i'm from maryland usa alright i'm a big fan of your show sugarland much

right the poet right right absolutely so so what's tell us a bit about yourself and what's uh what what what's going down what's preoccupying your precious thoughts at this ungodly hour yeah well um well it's really it's really an honor that i um you know that i be able to communicate with you i've been what i've been a fan of your show for a long time and um it's been bothering my mind a little bit the things that's been going on like

pakistan with the whole um sunni um uh you know there's been some protest against the shia yeah and i've i've always i've always been a sunni i've always been a sunni all my life but i've never i've i've i've done a little bit of studying on my own about uh about shiism because i never knew much about it i just i just knew the differences that um that they don't accept the first three caliphs uh except ali and all that and i'll after that i don't know too much about the politics of the of the religion but um

i i think i for me i just i just think to myself i'm just muslim there's no need for like um you know declaring she has like you know this shows or any things like that so um where where did where did this um hate come you know to like you know against shias and this mentality in in you know in pakistan to like you know uh exclude others and you know is it all i mean i i think um it's definitely a lot of politics but

what what what's really strange is that right okay sorry no i problema right so okay okay yeah okay okay yeah i can hear you fine i think these things well there's a lot of interference uh yep so like sorry right yes so i think i think the sound went it's just down no problem i mean what i'll do then is if if you want i'll uh i'll if it i'll remove your thing and then

i'll answer the question so it'll probably help start the of right so uh what along with the question it's just that there was a lot of interference coming through on my end right this this whole sectarianism it is a shame a huge shame and i think it's um it's just that

see to and to an extent it will unfortunately always exist but the way it exists in certain countries um there's just so many ingredients to that kind of the current status quo and a huge thing as well which is often undermined is the politics of the russia afghan war and that ira the afghan mujahideen era was one in which the concept of jihad

was so over emphasized that i don't think muslims worldwide have still recovered because so much literally millions and millions of dollars were kind of fed into creating a mujahideen breed obviously encouraged by america and the cia to create a resistance against the russian armed forces and i think several countries are still suffering um you know with the aftermath to that but yeah let's uh who do we have

on here all right what's going down where are you joining us from i'm from california in the united states um it's honored to meet you well shukran likewise it's an absolute uh pleasure mucho gusto and i have to say california just always has that super cool uh just just a vibe with the name alone yeah it's amazing you're like california it just sounds so cool man thank you so tell us what's going on over there what's what's

what's on your thoughts um let's see over here it's going all right just a lot of fires so the air has been pretty well right has that uh what what's the current the status quo with the it's like been the worst year of fires like in our history so then like in the northern part like the sky has been like red for a while and then like the rest of it on social media yeah yeah so it's pretty crazy uh have they contained them yet or no um some of them i've honestly just stopped like keeping up with it it's really depressing uh they like have to evacuate like half a million people in oregon actually one of the states here so so it's been pretty crazy yeah but is it is it true it began with a gender revealed party or is that the thing is there's like a bunch of

them like five or ten fires like that was one of them one was intentionally um so yeah it's it's really crazy but uh yeah just that but i was gonna say i was just uh finished up your 12 part series on muslim spain and i really love that because like personally i'm half hispanic so all right all right that is it man spanish is just so cool yeah i love it the music is amazing too yeah definitely definitely i i try to watch some whatever i can in spanish just so it can help you know i can help improve and learn

and but yeah i mean california is obviously you've got the whole yeah it's all over here it's okay yeah it's so so connected but uh but you are partly hispanic yourself yeah so i'm half pakistani half of guatemalan no well that is such a that must be an incredibly rare yeah are you you're like the only one there's a few more now um like uh but pakistani guatemalan besides my brother are the only one i've met so yeah ah that is incredibly weird dad is uh

pakistani i would have figured so yeah right so yeah cool so what what what any any other thoughts or what's what's what's going on man uh nothing much i just really wanted to meet you i really appreciate your well it's an absolute pleasure man do stay tuned and do any do reach out man on any occasion take care stay please thank you appreciate it all right people look at that what a mix huh what a mix quarter marlin and pakistani whoa

who do we have here who do we have here right so uh right okay let me okay let's see we've got muhammad sofian muhammad i'm good where are you joining us from i'm joining you from manchester united definitely i i recognize the accent is definitely british man yeah uh i'm good man what are you doing awake at this

ungodly hour just go to sleep that's it man i was sitting here today i thought you know what let's let's go live man it's been too long haven't had one of these meetups so definitely oh with that you're definitely not sleeping tonight then i'm so used to this stuff unfortunately unfortunately so so sophia and what you you study you what's up studying abroad what do you study i'm doing my master's in finance

oh yeah masters in finance such as should have been done already but the world's on hold so what can i do some masters in fine are some big bucks coming along your way huh yeah they're not here yet but let's see maybe it shall online yeah cool man well it's a pleasure to to have you here thank you to make the acquaintance were there any questions or no statement i wanted to say that what can it's not what your country can do for you but it's what you can do for your country

no but like i just wanted to say like i've been following you for a couple of years now yeah okay you know a lot of things that you say make sense to me like your logic and everything you know the way you don't do anything with superstition it's all like quran science uh logic everything like fits perfectly which is what appeals to me and i just think that since then i've stopped like thinking about anything else i don't know if i've told you this but like you know for example stuff about genes and stuff i've stopped being scared of anything and i just

feel like since i've started listening to you like the only thing that i actually now fear is allah so it's really strengthened my faith in terms of what i believe in and what i'm scared you know what i shouldn't be scared in well it's really good to hear man sofiane i i d you know it's i passionately believe that the the what the key objective behind the dean coming the prophet salallahu bringing this thing was to rid people of superstition yeah to break these shackles and the amount of

people that i speak to that have normalized it they've accepted it as normal to live in deep fears of superstition i was speaking to somebody just just casually just yesterday and they were telling me that how now you know they've been coping with uh like they have all these anxiety issues and things but they've been coping with this in infliction of of magic upon them and they're kind of now learning to adjust and get by and and i'm thinking to myself you know it's such a shame because like you like

these are intelligent people you know and these kind of shackles that are are holding these people down they need to so desperately need to break free from them and it's a totally different feeling you know you yes so uh i mean i'm really glad you shared that because there's so many people who sophian would that may watch this and they're actually going through a very similar thing you know these kind of fears superstitions somebody's done this to me somebody's done that to me i've you know got the evil eye on me

i've done i don't know what kind of bad luck chases me yeah it's all all in the mind and and this a hadith what's interesting and this ties in with you know what sometimes people may refer to as the law of attraction that allah expressing that i treat my servant my person as they expect of me so if a person is pessimistic bad things happen like they they are allowed to just they just go down this kind of rabbit hole whereas if good things you expect good

things good things happen oh yeah that's really good one and then but then in terms of evil eye as a concept what if somebody else is bringing that negativity in could such as justification so for example like um literally straightforward evil eye might not really be a thing yeah but if somebody else is projecting their hate in terms of evil eye on to a person like you said in terms of the law of attraction or like you know manifestation uh

negative reinforcement if they are if somebody has something nice and somebody like looks at him gives them like negative vibes and something like that and then something bad happens could that not be a justification for uh yeah i mean sure like in the sense that look negativity or pause or positivity these things are to a great extent like vibes yeah people they and they can be very uh contagious yeah you're right so people you know if you're around positive people you can that can sometimes trigger you into a a

boost of positivity if you're around negative people they can kind of weigh you down and make you negative you know if you're constantly around i don't mean just as a one-off or something but if you're surrounded by people always reinforcing you oh no oh my god it's gonna be terrible oh my god like if you mention a scenario you could say anything like you know hey i'm thinking of uh you know doing a masters in oh my god that's a terrible decision you know this is gonna happen that could happen you're gonna get these kind of people are pessimists and or eve and that that's in

a way of thinking but even you get it in a superstitious way as well people that think oh something's gonna happen and i think you know this is bad luck is coming our way or it can put you on edge whereby you kind of do certain things because you lose your sense of confidence or you get you don't lose it but it gets it gets kind of um impacted to some level you have your natural self and now you're all of a sudden acting uh strange and when a person acts strange they end up doing stuff like you know when you're not absolutely in

flow like if you're being super super weird whilst driving you might just crash the car all of a sudden you understand so it's these things then reinforce like because people will say yeah well i told you you know something bad was going to happen and look it did but it's actually there is a causative element there not directly impacting but psychosomatically so for example you get the victim where you have this victim's aura thing that's been studied in psychology where a person let's say there's a bunch of people walking across that

side of the road and they cease and let's say there's some people who are up to some trouble they they want to they want to kind of you know prey on some vulnerable people maybe rob them or now a person coming from there has noticed that and he's got scared and and you see he ends up being the victim they choose you understand because what it's it's a strange kind of relationship but what happens is they trigger this this kind of like an aura state that ironically attracts that yeah it's it's

and it's been studied in victim studies that why certain people chose certain victims i mean it's not to this is not a victim blame but i'm just stating that because we are animals ultimately we're human beings but we we have a sense of instinct with us just the way animals just the way animals can pick up things like fear they can pick up things these things do um so in a similar way we sometimes add inadvertently trigger certain consequences and then it reinforces our superstition just like the person thinking today's

friday the 13th so something bad is gonna happen now because they keep thinking that and acting weird oh my god they end up doing something and then something bad does happen right and they say well because it was friday the 13th well i knew it so this is a a series of uh reinforcements you know how imam malik he says in that statement silsila bintus light something that just brings loops back on itself yeah but yeah i remember from school when everyone was scared of friday the 13th because we were so rebellious we'd be like oh yeah it's a lucky day and always something lucky would happen

like we'd have a substitute teacher that we could mess about wow that'd be sweet we switched it around yeah yeah yeah that's the way man that's in fact that's a very good thing to do that if you can give something negative a positive spin yeah and even the dua that you're taught in the hadith is a ritualistic one it's like allah

it sounds like it's a ritual and what you do what it's doing is it's snapping you out of that state of mind into a different state of mind that you've broken that frequency of negativity now it's it's it's a it's a kind of like uh it's done very very cleverly and i i appreciate you know if sometimes a person gets some superstitious thoughts they should read this a way to kind of like to jump state of mind yeah very true cool man sofiane it's been an absolute pleasure man for coming on and sharing that with this man take care stay blessed much love

hopefully manchester soon doing it people doing it that was sophia from manchester who do we have here core tattle assalamu alaikum wasallam hello the mu the mic is on mute

hello hello hello nope look cool it's on mute so all right well we'll come back to you then all right so haris hussein you do i thought that was for a moment harrison how you doing harris it's an honor to meet you finally

it's an absolute pleasure to have you here harris where are you joining us from um so i'm currently based in seattle washington but i'm here so i'm i'm studying you're in seattle yes but as an international student oh international from where check you out mr worldwide well i'm originally from pakistan but i was born and raised in qatar

is it true that seattle is always raining is that oh yeah it is very identical to the type of weather you would have in england and london i i mean it's not always raining here but i can't remember what movie i watched as a kid where they said i think it was one of tom hanks actually where he says something about seattle it's raining something like nine months uh or ten months out of a year or something and i thought no way oh i might i might be mixing it up now it's been so many years yes it's you know like have you probably know about the movie twilight

and that's the kind of weather we have here it's like mostly foggy and quite gloomy uh we get to see quite a few of the sun you know mostly around the summer but right now it was supposed to be sunny but thanks to the wildfires going on in the west coast it's quite heavy out here so yeah wow so doing it hari so haris are there any thoughts preoccupying your mind or questions or something you'd like to share with us i do but before i start on that i would like to uh say thank you for all the amazing work you're doing mufti i really appreciate it like honestly after watching so many of

your videos i kind of uh stepped out of my bubble that i had you know and the understanding of islam you know that's kind of free of all the superstitions and the biases and uh miller what do you mean that's an absolute you know it's it's it's so refreshing to hear things like that it really is because it shows that look this this is this is apart from it being what i what i always say was the core message of of this theme to be non-partisan to be non-sectarian to be about life being about the deen

being complementary to your life not an impediment you know not you don't need to carry the deen around like a burden you know it's not this this thing which you are just tolerate but it's something which you celebrate it's something which makes life rewarding you know it's in harmony it's in sync and to hear that uh from you or from people it's an absolute it really it's so um reinvigorating for me because otherwise i'm just essay you know i'm just

you know you know honestly i i know like the great falling you have and it's growing by the day and i i definitely agree with everything you said there i feel like you know the whole kind of uh the cultish like approach we have nowadays with islam where every masjid that you go is trying to you know kind of uh have you in there you know kind of agree with them and like you know become a part of them and like kind of you know otherwise every other uh sector group that you may but yeah definitely and personally speaking because it's kind of interesting i came

from qatar and it's the understanding of islam is mostly kind of like salafists yeah it's like obviously there's more like freedom in terms of of you know different sex and everything and not like saudi arabia where you know you're kind of forced to you know think a certain way there's more like freedom over there but then obviously after coming to the united states uh you know thanks to the freedom of uh speech here i kind of uh opened up my mind uh met different groups and kind of learned how they understand things and uh i kind of on i i kind of was able to see all the flaws uh in the whole you know literalist

approach of the solar fees but uh yeah i'm really grateful for that uh thanks to the us and their freedom of speech but um yeah i'm still kind of uh i have some doubts you know uh and i wanted to take them to you i kind of uh i think uh in your you know the usual monday sessions that we have i usually type in a question but there's so many i i i'm pretty sure you you don't have time to read all of them uh i was still kind of uh unsure about the whole idea of uh the wassul and estebata like uh i i kind of before when i was all the whole into the whole salafi thing i you know looked at his like as complete

shirk and all but then i got involved into a sufi group which kind of stressed a lot about it and i i don't really feel like personally speaking i never really felt comfortable you know kind of using like an intermediary to ask from allah i i just you know so i if you can clear clarify that yeah no i actually spoke about this just on this monday nights with mufti where i was seeing the issue of tawasul and i said that look what what this isn't you know an age-old issue it's nothing

new it is man's um calamity or an immense struggle to deal with pure monotheism because the concept of one god although it's it's incredibly rational and makes sense it's logical you know there is one god the problem with uh or not problem but the challenge with monotheism pure monotheism pyotoheed is people feel that god is

too transcendent you know subhanahu wata'ala he is so you know ta'ala that him that really why would he even care about me you know like he's way too i can't really come on like what you know i'm trying to i need something small here let's say i'm thinking yeah you know i'm thinking to myself yeah really you know i want this to happen it's not necessarily you know i want to pass in an exam or i wish i had that car or i wish i managed to do this oh i wish i managed to get in this relationship or i wish this people think allah is like

way you know way too transcendent so and this isn't just with if muslims this is in you know universal people think god is so transcendent i need something that is here and now that is personal to me so they go to these intermediaries in some religions they go to some you know like demigods idols they go to things in other religions that are monotheistic like christianity they will go to saints you see saint andrew the patron saint of this you know saint george the patron saint of that

you know if i want to travel i'll take this particular cross with me or this of saint andrew if i want to go on some other expedition if i want to pray for this then this saint will help me and muslims are no exception you know they will do the same thing they will say you know you know yeah

whoever they want to pray to and and and then some to the prophet as well uh surprisingly a lot of people that do that don't actually call to the prophet usually i mean they do call to the prophet but the prophet ranks quite low on that list the irony is that on their list of who they call out to you usually the prophet is on the list but he's ranking pretty low it's usually like a particular piece of from a village then it's that pierson's ancestors then it's like let's say some tata tarbar um and then it's like

and then it's like and then maybe after all of them it's like the profit ranks at the bottom um it's to me these things are folklore folkloric religion this is just superstition um it's not what islam is is about um i'm not saying that these people are kafir i would never say that no it's not that these people are muslim very clearly they are muslim but they are you see they are just those same people struggling with that same issue of how can a transcendent god have anything

why would he be interested in me yeah so i feel like it's kind of you know how people aren't really they have uh you know accepted islamic monotheism but they they kind of struggle you know with i mean they accept it you see to some they accept it conceptually like they say obviously the world should have one god and not five or ten or twenty they accept that then they accept that one is logical and he's rational that makes sense they also accept that we're not going to have loads of statues and demigods and god hasn't deputized other gods and they

accept all of this but then when it comes to prac practice they've realized damn i've still got that challenge of reaching out to god so i will just adopt saints you know it's the same thing different different veneer you know they've given it a different color you know brushover and most of the time the the same people when you ask them like any uh anything to support their beliefs they usually bring you know that one uh hadith with the blind man or they uh talk about you know the blind man that came and then towards that hadith wait wait a minute what happens with the blind man

so the blind man who came to the prophet asking uh him to you know pray to god to give him his sight back and then the the prophet advice sallallahu alaihi wasallam advises him to go home and do pray to rakat nafil and then ask god like that i turn to you from your prophet um yeah yeah this is because the prophet was alive and the the conditions of the vessel the person has to be alive and then the sufis go like well we don't believe that death is you know a state it's a stage so we prophet is alive and he can hear us and so that's why we do using ourselves look

you know where you say something i don't think there's anything wrong i think that's perfectly human it's normal to say you know not as a ritual but as a kind of exclamation of emotion like if i said you know like we all do in in discussions in dialogues in conversations in everyday life in our prayers a person will say look for the love of this do this please like people will say you know for the love of god or for the love of this for the love of god for the love

and there's nothing wrong in that that's how we express ourselves as human beings if a person in dua said to allah you know for the you know for the love of for the love of of good deeds for the love of the prophet for the love of the quran just please i i ask you for this the person is still praying to god he's still asking allah like that that to me is not a it's not a problem like this that was sort of thing that i look okay the the weird thing about it is ritualizing it you think you need to do this as a ritual

i need to uh you know i should only approach allah by mentioning things to get close to him you know like in the verse of the quran even though they were talking about statues but you know they are you know that we use them to kind of gain a proximity right so it's you don't need to do things allah does not require a bribe but if a person did do towards or just as an ecstatic or an emotional expression there's nothing wrong with that but is actually praying to the other people saying you give me

you know you give me this you know god's a bit busy you give it to me that is that is definitely off point um but and it's just folkloric religion what you get right throughout the world but yeah i mean shukran for sharing that um haris it's very it's an amazing reminder for other people as well yeah thank you so much for clarifying on that and uh if you're ever in seattle let me know definitely man the future you know i've been to the uk twice uh hopefully the next time i'm there i will try my best to get in touch with you

definitely you you should people who do come here to get in touch inshallah i tell people all the time i say that message me if you're not getting through to me which you know i do check my messages but then sometimes i'm just distracted in my own little world uh i always say message muhammad shaban he he's really good he kind of manages some of my stuff like that so he's on instagram as well as shabby s h double a b i and he's on facebook as muhammad shah and he we we always we're always kind of chilling out at his kind of pla pad anyway so he'll he'll always set things

up and he's on top of things he's really good like that so but cool do drop us a message if you ever come by this way and take very good care of yourself harris doing it you're doing it people how do i meet and greet yeah you can meet and greet like this this the the link i've just shared it again right what's going on what's going on sheena how do i what's oh sorry i had mushrooms i don't know what that is about right let me just

uh okay all fry we've got baba jawad all right how are you it's been a long time what the hell oh my god i did not recognize you there

i was doing my meditation and you went live so subhanallah subhanallah you broke the the knuckle for the for the wajib i was kidding and i was sitting on the ground over there and then my phone was charging here i got the notifications what is this it broke my it broke my concentration so i said now that my concentration is broken i'm gonna come now allah allah i totally could not recognize the way you've got the bandana on and you've got the whole shawl

wrapped around and and then you've put the name as baba jawad and i thought you know i i had no idea so what's going on do you meditate regularly or what's what's the school with that uh yeah i do i do it's to be able to um it's to be able to concentrate the mind on uh one thing so what i've noticed is that i can take all my energy out from uh so so let me give you an example if i'm trying to for example read a book so many times what happens to many people is when they're trying to read

in their mind they are distracted you know there's many things going on so what meditation if you do enough of it you can learn how to clear the mind and once the mind is cleared then you go and approach an activity so i do this uh i do this so i do this i just saw the comment and i had

me him and you can collaborate so so actually what happens is even when we're for example praying a lot of people have the trouble of focusing in prayer right so i used to have this problem so what i started to do was meditate and what i learned how to do in through meditation was to clear the mind and so there's no distraction and so when i pray it's just me and allah god there's no distractions coming in but the connection is just there no i mean that's what they call mindfulness

in in meditation generally um and and absolutely i agree with you i think people uh i have done some meditation i mean nowhere near enough as i should be doing i i think it is an amazing uh you know it's an amazing habit to inculcate into one's life if they can just to have that because my mind is like that it's you know it's like 40 different things going on all these tabs are open yeah everybody says you know and yeah it's like this could be me

as well there's all these tabs open and then there's pop-ups there's like music going on in the background there's like virus virus virus there's a hundred things going on in the back and then you're trying to do one thing that used to happen to me too much too many things going on in my head so i i had to learn how to clear everything and just focus on one thing so that's ziriab said is this guy selling a meditation course well are you selling a meditation course bubba father

not maybe in the future you never know you never know what the future holds maybe i can open my own uh you know darbar or something you can all come and visit was there any uh question or something you want to share by the way whilst you're alive or just bless us obviously the blessing in and of itself of gracing us is sufficient

that was jawad from canada who i didn't recognize for a moment the because of the deep meditative state he was in right so let me just see arrive we've got here assalamu alaikum where are you where are you joining us from ah we've got no sound

i'll tell you what fix your thing and then i'll get you back so my sword is fixing his his sound you see that's oh right there he's giving a thumbs up there or he could be or he could be swearing no it should be good you are you are how are you doing alhamdulillah can you hear me now i can loud and clear crystal clear where are you joining us from i'm from uh dallas texas in the united

states need to take a picture because my brother doesn't believe i was trying to get on live so give me one second all right yeah there you go here look we'll help you out there you go look you can there you go this is for you my sword you've got

there you go thank you so much right so what's what's going on man what's going down what's preoccupying your thoughts would you like is there a question or something you'd like to share with us and all of those viewing tonight yeah i do have a question but before i ask my question i want to thank you for um often giving us different perspectives um a lot of people fail to appreciate that when we follow a lot of mainstream

um western scholars we tend not to realize that more than one opinion is allowed in our religion and i thank you so so so much for sometimes breaking away from the mainstream and explaining why another opinion is allowed so i want to express how thankful i am for that and it's it's made me a strong understanding that there is more than one way to think about islam shukran man i deeply appreciate that and and especially because it you know so often i am

so i'm criticized for this very thing that you know people they kind of attacked me and crit you know they hurl all kinds of uh nonsense at me for this very thing that why do you uh bring into the public realm dissent why do you allow people to learn that there's a difference of opinion when people weren't you know they weren't that familiar with it and my point is that it is it is a hug it is a right that that people have to know that this dean has breathing space it's not something that is claustrophobic

most definitely most definitely okay second thing i wanted to thank you for is i've been watching you for a long time and i know you're a gym goer you alhamdulillah i've lost almost 30 pounds oh that's another big shout out you're doing how long have you been going to the gym or working out i started eating healthier about four months ago mashallah did you just cut out things like certain fats and sugars and stuff like is that what you did yeah so i did keto for about a month to get me started

okay and then i i now i just eat either one meal a day or but i eat very healthy now you know avoiding you know our doll and chapli you know so cutting that stuff out eating leaner meats salmons and asparagus and things of that sort has helped a lot so yeah no that's uh that is amazing you know it's surprising how much a simple thing how how much of a significant change a simple thing can do like some people i've known they've just replaced sugars with sweetener

and and they've cut out certain like they will drink i mean i i've cut down actually recently a lot i know it doesn't look like it but i have on my fizzy drinks but even then my fizzy drinks won't be sugary but people have just replaced that only as an example and within a few months the difference it's it's made has been like wow okay you know but sometimes it's a subtle thing that can make a huge difference because people are having like 10 tablespoons 15 tablespoons of sugar every day like you don't really need something like and not to mention even the other things you know the fatty foods and

the level of it but yeah that's good it's good and i hope many people that watch this become inspired by your by your persistence at this as well and they take it up more a slightly more healthier lifestyle all right so so what is preoccupying your precious so my brother and i talk a lot about islam every day of the week alhamdulillah you know when we're at work we're texting each other random questions considering um different takes on things so

my question for you today is our topic of the day ended up at what do we do when we have periods of doubt you know like we pray five times a day we we follow we follow the islamic principles we live our lives in an islamic way but the question becomes is like what do you do so what we were specifically talking about today was about the grave that the

idea of resurrection is so unreal to us it's so unseen to us that we will allah walk out of our graves so things of this sort how do you deal with how do we battle dealing with the things that seem so unreal in our in our own reality so that is my question for you of how you would how you personally would cope with that and if this feeling i feel like this feeling is natural but so that is that's my that's my concern so when when you say these things that are

you know not so congruent with real life we're talking about things like the grave the state of the grave is that what uh the afterlife is that what we're talking about or is there are there other things as well or just these kind of it's primarily those so resurrection is a very interesting concept right that the world will end we'll resurrect and we believe in you of course i i believe it but there are just parts of things seem so unreal because we we cannot see it so this is just where my curiosity is how do we deal

as believing muslims and i i i say doubt as a very extreme word i don't want to use that word i usually sleep because we we do believe like i i never doubt in my mind that there is a day of judgment otherwise i would stop praying you know what i mean so i don't out being a muslim oh of course how do we deal with any even the minor doubts that oh will this really happen even though we're afraid of it and we fear it and we and we do our actions to assure that it goes smoothly for us when we begin to when we begin to battle

our faith yeah i mean i i want to first of all just say that i think it takes um a real level of courage to openly admit that look as a as a as an as a human being i experience these natural you know stages or phases of of doubt at times and this is not exclusive to muslims this is a human thing human all too human it's it's somebody no matter where they're from what they pertain to they will question at times the nature of it and i think

that islam has very um you know in a very real way realistically embrace this by mentioning first of all stories in the quran like of ibrahim alaihissalam saying that look how does this happen you know how would you how would you do this and it's not that i'm not accepting the idea

you know but my heart is a little unsettled on the matter and this i feel that you know despite the callous or the cold-heartedness of some of the clergy this is the quran being very clear and welcoming people then look this is a caravan anybody can join it you don't need to be you don't need to claim some makon of yakin or certitude you know i have like death defying certainty before

i you know to to pronounce my iman my islam no you're a normal person you will question things just like everybody questioned them you know they were uh this these are the prophets uh you know allah saying things like look is this is it is it like how is it you know i'm my heart ain't re my heart ain't settled it's not that i'm it's not that i'm defined you in fact i'm coming to you to ask these questions i'm saying you know i i'm not turning away from you i'm coming to you and and i feel that in that is a great solace

for us the prophet alaihi wasallam saying in hadith that that we are we are more deserving to have doubt than abraham so these things now that's just something i want to get out of the way the as to um uh right i think there's a bit of uh feedback right there i'll fix it right it's okay i've fixed it i've kind of muted your thing so the the that's just to put that lay that out as the backdrop

then to move forward to your question on things like the afterlife things like the stages of the afterlife post death going into you know well you've got death what happens in the great unknown what are the stages what happens in the grave or if there is no grave or what is the the kind of fabric or the textual reality of the akhirah look the truth is nobody knows what these things are like um you know islam even though in certain verses sometimes when he speaks of the afterlife or some hadith

it might give certain imagery this was just for some people that it might provide an approximation for for other people it might not provide an approximation and the point is just to know that look life does not stop with death how will it go on what is the qualitative you know feel real feel of the akhirah nobody knows like the the hadith mentions things like look it says it the afterlife is no ear has heard it that

not a single human has ever managed to conceptualize it so that is the the athera so the fact that you will think you know will this really happen maybe it won't happen like that maybe that's not that's just an approximation trying to say well look at you know there's going to be this like we have this story that there's the stage of the cover this is how it goes the walls come in this happens that happens these things are just imagery that people have kind of conjured up to to maybe in their way i don't know if help people is the right word but to

provide a narrative to so people can visualize something who says it has to actually be like that or anything like that this there's nothing in the quran that speaks about the qabar like that in fact the stage of the qabar isn't even mentioned in the quran categorically so the the point is that the afterlife is mentioned but the the stage that way we have this you know there's dunya there's the kind of then there's the uh you know then this these are neat

kind of i mean narratives kind of like story stages that we have kind of come up with chapters we've put it into chapters just to make people kind of like oh and we've added unquestionably we've added along the way just to help people get some kind of a story whilst they're there i'm not saying there's anything you know that i'm not saying that these people are wrong for creating these kind of illustrations of saying this is the life in me but what i'm saying is just because we have that picture doesn't mean that is what the picture will be like

the truth is look we can never understand it it is otherworldly we are not of that like if i ask you if you ask me to think or visualize something in 4d in 5d i mean i can't you see because we are you know we are 3d people that perceive things actually in 2d even though it's a 3d illusion but to us like we we do perceive depth but really it comes across in a uh as kind of flat out there but we we kind of see depth into it the way our brain processes it

but my point is we can't see things you know in four dimensions or five dimensions or you know if you go into physics where they speak of ten dimensions or eleven dimensions of putting the whole cosmos whether it's m theory or string theory and there's all these extra dimensions but we can't if like that's not how we are built we don't see the world in that way it's like uh you know if if uh let's say if you if i or you were a 2d creature like

we were a 2d creature and now somebody came and they put something on and they move it about and we are let's say this this thing living here what we see will simply be a kind of i guess a circle flat circle shape that's all we'll see and we'll see it moving and in fact we'll see it coming in from nowhere it will be magic now you see the fact that it's linked into this hyper dimension here that it 3d it has this whole thing behind it we could never envisage that like we can't

that creature cannot even grasp that so in a similar way these hyper leo tolstoy over there but in in a similar way we can't grasp truly the the urui real field but yeah but i do the the message to take away from that is we don't need to feel bad about it you know we have if we if we have doubts about something someday that just shows us it's real you know like our iman is real that's why you have doubt you know

that's what the hadith says that is the purest of iman but yeah but i appreciate you bringing this up because like you there's going to be so many people who will have this very similar experience this similar thought and they don't know or or you know they they feel guilty sometimes that oh i'm you know if i ask somebody they're going to call me a kafir or you know and yeah so i appreciate you kind of uh you know having the the courage to kind of either so shukran thank you very welcome you take care of yourself man likewise my new

it's been a pleasure salaam alaikum alright people that was massacred right there very amazing uh question something very pertinent very real very relevant to so many people right okay i have uh shared here some i have shared the link somebody was asking um all right let me see let me just share it again there is a rhyme how do i chat to you on video there you go i've shared it now right so we've got here the light

within assalamu alaykum i'm good i'm good the light within us all where is it coming from where are you beaming from i'm from uh california all right look at that california califa so so shukran for joining us tonight to tell us any question plaguing your mind or any something you'd like to share maybe uh

sure sure go for it welcome to everyone who is joining right now my question was regarding i have listened to some of your talks in regards to the resurrection of jesus peace be upon him and your stand as a maliki and i have also listened to you know your critics and um it seems like a majority of scholars you know from different methods they disagree with you and your interpretation of things so when you make these interpretations yourself or these uh beliefs yourself what are you

how are you basing it differently than all the other mothers even the monkeys you know what are you using as a source you see that that's a very uh good question i mean people have asked me sometimes in fact somebody i don't know whether it was today you uh sorry whether it was yesterday or the day before i sometimes i lose the sense of time but uh somebody very recently was asking me as well that look uh about uh an issue to do with jesus and my belief on jesus actually that wasn't to do with the resurrection that was more to do with whether he had a biological father and

the issue that the question that they asked me as well was that multi you know where are you getting this from is this i understand you know you're doing this but what what what are your motivations behind saying this and doing this are you just trying to be different from the christians or are you trying to is that is that the purpose and i think that's what the person assumed because he was saying you know and but isn't this causing greater harm you know you're trying to and but i mean in a similar way to your question uh by the way sorry like within what what do we call you

abdul malik abdul malik right so right so after malik but this question that look where am i getting first first of all where am i getting my kind of beliefs from secondly why why am i going out with these kind of beliefs that it's a kind of like a slight follow-up so i'm getting my beliefs from the quran but in light of the voice of reason

so i do i believe that look allah calls us to faith based on reason so it doesn't make sense that he would call us to believe based on reason and then tell us to believe in something which goes against reason this is one part of the of the belief of what um what powers certain perspectives that i then take it is the voice of reason um secondly i do you know analyzing certain things i look at it and i do

think like holistically does this make sense i mean one is from a reason perspective but one is does it make sense comprehensively like within itself so the jesus thing is a is a good example because one is the from the reason perspective you know can a human being just be living up there in the cosmos just on his own he's just floating in mid cosmos somewhere this obviously is from a reason perspective that's not a belief that reason

would generally accept okay but i'm sorry to cut you but if you start using our reason then we could reason and question everything we could reason even uh the encounter of jabra even with prophet muhammad right so they say that one of the first persons who used reason was ableist because he was asked to prostrate in front of adam and he used reason by saying that no i made a fire he's made of dirt why should i so isn't part of is it wasn't part of belief also that it's faith that's something we don't have to understand everything that we expected that's a very good question uh abdul malik

first and firstly the police the police was never problematized for reason this is a misrepresentation it was arrogance and it was stubbornness but it was it was not reason was not the problem the problem was his arrogance and his stubbornness it was not the story in the quran is not he's been condemned because he used his reason the point was how he was arrogant and his this is the kind of story that is is drawn the illustration in the quran that he shows himself as being very you know

haughty and very kind of like proud and refuses now he justifies it through some reason of his but that doesn't mean that because he justified it justifications are wrong justifications are normal things in everyday life they're not bad in and of themselves and reason is spectacular it's never a bad thing but the other things were the other qualities but coming to this thing um reason it doesn't in my understanding reason never problematizes faith in my understanding now when you said about jibrael or you could question

other things that is true i have no problem with people uh you know presenting questions to things in saying well how do you understand the story of jibril ali now i've said before when i've been asked about things like angels and stuff like this i've said that what you what is being mentioned in the quran you see a huge part of it what's filling in the blanks is your imagination the quran is it is laying out some dots but then human beings are filling in so when they think angels they think these things they

think of you know these things made out of let's say particular light that float around like a spirit you know they've got a wings and they do this and they they look like humans except they float and but this the quran never really ever said anything like this but we what we do is we just use our imagination and i'm not saying using our imagination is a bad thing it's fine but the problem is when we take that figment and then concretize it and assume anything else is wrong that becomes the problem now coming back to the main question that you see

when we see the belief of jesus one was the reason aspect but not just the reason the reason okay the fact that somebody lived for like i said in the cosmos this from a natural perspective is absurd but put that aside because even if we do not believe that let's say we don't believe that that's not how it's happening fine let's look at it from a comprehensive perspective a coherence perspective everything has to come together in a holistic way to make sense and that question is this when we believe in something should

there be a reason why we believe in it so there's some things which for example are unseen to us like it's going to be an afterlife okay okay fair enough we also as a human as human beings tend to have a yearning which makes us feel that we will live forever anyway now this concept is not necessarily uh absurd it's just not provable and that's fine but we accept that let's say a person accepts it now the question here is okay is there a reason fine but we don't

as human beings when we're talking about things that do not involve us in this world we don't need so much much of an explanation because they become things of the absolute unseen now when we're going to talk about this world things of this world and somebody presents a belief should that not have a an objective behind like if i said to you that look by the way a prophet is going to come back so you i feel have the full right to ask

okay why there's there's nothing wrong in us in fact i would feel it's right to ask that okay what is the purpose what is the mission if god is gonna do something so spectacular that then there must be an objective behind it now when you start asking these questions about things like let's say jesus what happens is everything falls to pieces and this is where the problem arises so my thing my belief on jesus as an example yes it did have the the reason based angle to it

but what really collapsed that belief that let's say jesus will come back is the fact the incoherence of the matter that it is so contradictory like within itself like when people say so for example why is he coming back they it's it's absurd like what they will say that what the answers they give give rise to hundreds of other questions based on that then um the miraculous birth of jesus peace be upon him so then uh you would question that too like why why would i question it because you will be using your reasoning say in order to

have a baby you know biologically physiologically you need to have the sperm you need to have the egg you need to have the ovulation and the whole process and i i do believe and this was i've said that i have a whole video on this called the virgin birth yeah i saw that and you're saying how it doesn't say that mary was speaking at the moment that she wasn't uh having a husband right but then uh so if you believe in allah and his uh you know so mary by the way and you know if he makes he creates something he has the power to go against the creation he's not limited by

he's not limited by the forces of you know the nature thing in that case you know the prophet that was inside the whale so physiologically biologically explain to me how could he have survived so these are the things that i'm saying that our mind is limited our sight is limited how we think of things are limited there are certain things that we just you know as part of our fate so there's no need to question it or find reason for us to understand it and those traps and i think it's profound because once you start questioning one thing then you're going to start questioning something else sure now you see this is now okay i'm going to answer those questions

actually i want to answer them right but just before i do i want to make clear that you see i'm not saying to people just so we are clear and this is for the poor's more so i'm not saying you necessarily having this impression i'm not saying to the viewers that they need to uh be like me and think like me and question things and be have like a critical cap on when they're looking at faith matters or i'm not saying that at all and i'm not saying to people that they should reject these beliefs what i'm saying is that look to some people

they will be like you're saying that they uh if they started to question things it will come crashing down on them they can't handle critiques they can't handle um you know questioning because it will then it's either faith or its reason but there are people who to them faith does stand the test of reason and i would very you know with an honest heart say that i i believe if i'm one of these people to me i have put my reason to

every single conceivable matter that i could within this deen and to me it stood the test now yes my interpretations may then vary from other people so what does that like like maybe you know it doesn't it's not the same kind of uh it does like i don't believe in the hocus pocus kind of stuff or not i know hocus pocus sounds denigrating but let's say i don't believe in the woohoo kind of stuff anyway but putting that aside nothing collapsed nothing not even these stories in the quran not even the belief on let's say the

afterlife or the belief in god or the belief in messengers or in revelation nothing collapsed now coming to this actual question um about first just and then i'll come back but about mary now mario pretty i'm pretty sure i mean i i i'd like to say there's a consensus but i i don't know if people disagree but generally it is a widely held belief that maryam was married to joseph there is no generally people don't dispute that generally speaking as far as i'm aware now that they all accept even

the christians except she was married at that time to joseph the question is they say that this birth was a virgin birth so they're not saying that she never she wasn't betrothed to joseph they're saying that what it is is that no but there was no natural um you know intervention here this was an unnatural super sorry not unnatural supernatural uh procreation that god just created in this case the y chromosome you know within her and it just happened there it was it was like that now and then that comes back to your

question that why can't god do it he's god after all you know he can do anything but then you see i would say that that attitude of saying god can do anything actually goes against the verses of the quran it's not that god can but that he won't because he says you're never going to allah says that look i've set things and i'm not going to change them like they will be as they are when allah says things like look why don't you you want to see god's signs you know the signs of god look into the horizon look into this look

that can only work if nature is static in its if tomorrow the rules of nature are changing then there's no point observing nature because you know it's going to change every leap year for example now then the biggest the i've said that the biggest is in suratul i believe the verse allah says himself that look they say that allah has taken a son you know and allah says but how can this be when he does not have a female partner

how can he have a child he doesn't have a partner now this allah is affirming by that logic that you see to have that child you would need to because if allah is just saying look how can i have a baby when i don't have a female partner but i can really just do anything i want anyway right then that that goes against allah's own argument against him because but allah is saying look in this world are human beings not all born of two so where is my female partner anna and he did not have a female companion how can he have a wallet

but if we hold here the belief that well actually you can because in this example you did it so it defies that is an argument of god against god so to hold think to make it coherent to me that makes sense that hmm you know i'd be in line with those scholars that say well no you know that jesus was was of natural birth so in that verse you're saying god is questioning himself no so in this verse allah is refuting the christians yeah so he is saying that

and he's he's telling he he obviously the verse is being revealed to as revelation to to to the audience and it's saying that they say that you know he has has a child that he's taken a child and allah says that he's he's condemning them saying how could god have taken how could god have a child when he does not have walam he does not have a female consort a female companion now that verse

shows that actually allah is enforcing this law of nature that for humans there must be a male and female there must be a mother and father could it also be to show that you know that humans are limited but you know allah is not could it also mean that because as humans we say that in order to create we need to have a male and a female but for god for allah it doesn't could it also we interpret that way yeah but then that would be an argument against god himself how so because he's saying to them how could he have a child

how can like let's so god is saying how can i have a child when i haven't got a female and we're not a couple so now if you say well the answer is because you don't need to be a couple because you can just have one anyway so that i've just kind of cursed myself these are the questions that the christians or the other people were asking right no not questions so the christians are clearly claiming that mary you know jesus is the divine son of god so allah is refuting this belief in this verse of the quran

uh and this is a madinan verse now allah is saying that how can he have a child and he's not a couple he doesn't have he's not a couple so if we hold now pause that if we hold the belief well to have a human child you don't need to be a couple then that refutes god's verse here because this verse only stands if all human babies are born of two

i don't know if that makes sense now i get the fact that most people not all they have been by the way they've been many ulama that have this view that i'm saying there have been many that have held this belief but the majority don't so the majority would believe that look jesus was born of a virgin birth now why do they believe this that's and you see now that's we where i would look into the kind of the the causative elements that what led to that belief now what simply led to it

is the mass proliferation of the christian myth that this had happened because the christians had this myth that was everywhere because the christian empires the byzantines in the north you had the southern arabian kingdom and the oximite kingdoms in the south that the christians had enveloped the whole you know you just had hijaz in the middle really which is just you know wasn't really christian but otherwise christians were everywhere so this belief made people and then the quran okay here comes an interesting question why didn't the quran just clearly condemn this why didn't he say that

because you know god could have just made it very clear correctly yeah i i think that's part of faith you know there are certain things that is there that is for you to think and for you to have faith certain things and in that case how was adam alaihissalam created he wasn't created from another mother or or you know on our biological something he was created from nothing right so yeah no we will come to that but why why would we think adam was created from nothing because allah has always just created everything i had nothing oh right okay sure

but but everything is not created out of nothing everything is you mean like in its origin sense it was a point where there was like like let's say some explosion and then energy turned into mata after the but we're not talking about like so on this earth now that matter is in existence on this earth things don't just come into existence from nowhere correct so then uh how was adam alaysam created based on what you're saying i've said that look there's nothing evolution does not clash with islam at all that the fact that if adam was created of womb this is not in fact this is in light

with several verses of the quran and i go through this and i explain i've got a whole video on evolution in islam had a mother there was a womb involved there would have been yes so so if we like if we look at the verse so for example right rather than let me just bring it right up here right so if we take a look at uh rather because if i just say then people will just say that you know mufti is saying these things but if i'm bringing it from the actual quran right then

here right right okay here it is it's just coming up um okay is it this one okay all right okay now uh

right sorry my bad it's not that one is the other one right all right okay now let's take a look right so you have suratul okay now verse 12 to 14 allah says

insana now what's interesting is this kind of like murky extract and which by the way some people have said was dna but uh the point anyway let's go with the very uber uh you know literally kind of like texturalist meaning of saying no this was from mud so it's adam alaihi salam was created from you know here's some mud some clay some clay and he's shaped up and he's created yeah this is

uh you'd agree with me it's a very kind of a traditional kind of view judeo-christian held and many muslims have held that view as well the verse then says we created in sun from this clay of uh from this you know portion of clay and and the mufassirin will say insane here is adam okay then it says

we placed him who's the him going back to in sun they say we made him a drop of sperm in a settled place vicarary machine in a settled kind of like uh settlement okay

it grew and then it had bones and for kazona malach then we gave the bones you know meat and so on now it's interesting here as well ah then we created it into something different now the mufassirin on this ayah they say that uh that okay what what's going on here because when allah says he created insane they

say that's adam and then he doesn't say insan again he says who because the mere the pronoun goes back to that in sun it says and then we place that in sun as a drop of sperm in a womb so here the mufasirin then split because when the verse begins they all agree this is adam they then split and say well oh wait a minute who's this now because if this is still adam then adam is a drop of sperm in a womb so here some said this fertilization right the plastic fertilization exactly so this is fertilization but but it's talking about adam being

fertilized does it say adam because it says in sun but they say it says we began we created in san and then we made the insane fertilized so the question is is this insane here they disagree then the mufasa some of them said you know this who even though it's going back to that same the pronouns going back to that same insane but we're gonna take from here that allah has changed the topic and he's talking now about humans generally he's not talking about the human adam anymore some of us sireen said that

now that is actually departing from the literal reading of the quran which is saying who the other mufasirin went with okay maybe allah created adam in a kind of artificial womb in these little stages like it was clay but then he made it kind of fertilize and there was this artificial womb and there was now here the question is this why would you need artificial wounds when there are wounds in existence we know as a fact that you know homo sapiens were in existence adam is not

going to be other in my understanding would be the father of the human cognitive revolution the one to have consciousness sorry to cut you so you believe that you know is around descendant from early homo sapiens and then homo sapiens you know they were unicellular in the beginning allah created everything as unicellular and then when you're saying unicellular meaning from uh from one cell everything was like living things you're going back to the eukaryotes and right yeah yeah but i mean as in you're going back like uh what what if you're the beginning of life

yes of course of course and look and this is exactly my point allah says every living thing alive today was created from a single source it was from you know from this water this this source of life we created in hey every single form of life came from this common this this initial source of life but that also means that even nowadays you know nasa when we're looking for life we're looking for water because if there's a source of water we know

that there could be you know bacteria or life so it doesn't wouldn't that mean that the importance of in order to have life you need to have water that doesn't necessarily mean that everything started as as a unicellular and through millions of years it evolved and it became you know uh uh i'm a moving amiibo or something like that and then it evolved into something else you see the question is what is look i'm not saying i'm asking what is wrong with that belief like let's say the fact that life has a common ancestor life altogether it begins with this you know the last

common uh denomination between the source of all life this this pond or whatever it is the quran also mentions that you know every single living thing came from this source of water now i'm saying what's wrong with that with that belief why is that belief problematic that all living things that create are from one source

the problem with that would be the limitation of allah azzawajal saying in order for allah to do what he's doing he has to abide by his creation this universe how we see things now how things make logically sense to us now uh that's how it seems like what what you're saying like rules yes is that what we're saying yes but then does allah so you're saying allah himself has to abide by the rules is that what you're saying you're saying that no what it means is that allah cannot do something outside the rules of this world

this creation this universe why is this is saying okay let me reframe that could that not equally be that allah has set rules which he does things by you see because you're saying it as though the rules are being forced onto god what i'm saying as though god has with creation so when you see when creation let's say if we're going not with the multiverse theory with the general so just pre-b big bang as this this existence comes into creation this

energy from energy the moment it comes into existence uh you know within a fraction of a you know of a fraction of a second you will have several laws are being set into motion of physics um and you will and then from energy comes mata matter is created from energy now and and and these laws are created by god he's created these laws of things like whether you're going to have the law of electro you know of electromagnetism of these forces of these different things it's not that god is stuck with them

he has rather created them uh so he's created them obviously by choice by those laws yeah but but if he wants to what's the problem for example like i don't believe there's a certain there's a thing as a chance you know a probability uh i was listening to farah zahabi and he gave a perfect example of when you're you know tossing a coin in the air uh you know it's 50 percent head or 50 tails but if as humans we had the capability ability to account for all the forces acting on the coin then we could make the coin land 100 times heads 100 times tails

but since we don't have we have limitation we call it chance but there is no such thing as chance that's our limitation yeah i'm i'm not arguing with the laws of chance here uh i'm saying that look the this what we're discussing here is that the world the cosmos has laws rules has rules within forces not beyond humans i would say that you know light and these things have they have kind of certain laws we interpret them as laws obviously to them yes has to abide by a rule or a law

true allah allah is not for example being held down by gravity he's not being he's not doing what we're saying here is the fact that he's made rules somehow that you're saying the fact that he's made rules that's a problem is that what you're saying oh the fact i see is that for me i just believe i don't have to have uh the idea that you know the only way it's going to make sense is for it to be through evolution that the fact that he's powerful that he could make everything out of nothing so let's let me get this let me get this right the fact that a lot of

subhanallah so powerful it could be that islam is just wrong and he's just said it's right but it will just be wrong afterwards he'll change his mind no because he said it's not wrong that's different though yes no but why what let's let's get this right then why is that why would that be different that if you're saying god can make a rule and he can change it he which i believe he can change but you're saying if he doesn't change it somehow shows he's incapacitated because he hasn't changed the rule because otherwise he's he's stuck so god says if you believe if you believe in my messengers and if you do righteous actions you'll

go to heaven now is that a rule that not necessarily because uh prophet muhammad peace be upon him he was asking for forgiveness you know 67 70 times a day and sahabah said why i don't yeah i don't mean from the grace perspective i mean is that a rule though of them are we saying that so for muslims like they they will if you embrace the message it goes to salvation is that a rule i don't mean obviously everything is up to the grace of god so by god having this rule has he placed limitations on himself to say that uh to say

that god that only way adam because you're saying that no because you're saying that god by placing rules and just following them has limited himself but then you're saying to accept islam as the way of the truth and to attain salvation is a rule that god has made to attain salvation then thereby unless god breaks this rule he has limited himself no no no that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying but that follows that naturally follows does it no no i don't believe it does what i'm saying is that uh god does not have to follow the idea and in order to create you need to have a man and a woman you need to

have you have to fertilize it in a womb and from that he has to create a human being because that's that's the nature of this world god doesn't have to do that right okay but does he do that though no i don't believe that no okay so generally no no no man howa means woman right a man and a woman that's that's the

i created you all from men and women am i saying this allah is saying this is he speaking but is he speaking to adam islam or is he speaking to humans so okay so let me get this right so let me get this right what is the problem if adam was created from a uh by that same rule of nature what is it does he is there a problem in islam with that so then that means there was a mom that means that okay so let's let's say let's say there is a moment how is this problematic to the concept of islam then who was uh uh adam alassam's mom and dad

so whoever let's say who was moses or who was the mum and dad of noah ali salam i i don't know does that impact the story of noi okay so let's go to the story of adam let's say he does have a mom and dad let's say he does but they don't have the same level of consciousness as adam did because he has he's the father of the cognitive revolution right within homo sapiens so let's say now how does this make a difference like how does the how is adam no longer capable of being a prophet

see here's the thing if we believe in the idea of homo sapiens that we evolved you know that we are 98 like uh chimpanzees our dna therefore you know we think we involved from the similar uh you know start line then why do we still have chimpanzees if it was the nature or the evolution that caused us to evolve then why do we still have chimpanzees why don't they all turn into humans yeah but that's not how evolution works it doesn't work as in you see first of all human beings homo sapiens all uh not even homo sapiens right hominins right are not from chimpanzees okay

nobody has said homo the hominins are from chimpanzees so chimpanzees are planning you've got guerillin you've got homonym these all descend from a common ancestor we do not have 99 dna most likely 97. 97.3 or something like this dna now nobody is saying that chimpanzees became human beings that's why they're not becoming human beings because that nobody has ever made that claim

so and and then uh so what you're saying earlier that that through evolutions everything started from one thing and over time millions of years it evolves that's exactly what it means doesn't it sorry what does that mean you were saying that you know you're giving an example of how everything started as a from water from one little thing i'm not saying that quran the quran is saying that but yes i'm also saying that and scientists are also saying that but the quran is also saying that but what is the problem with that the problem is that uh if if that's the belief that every living thing started from unicellular

from one thing and it was to evolution that evolved to different animals and you know different species then that that goes with the the the same idea that adam was an evolution from an earlier creation yeah we've already said he was but i mean what's why is this a problem in islam if he was let's say he was what okay let's just for a moment hypothetically except he was what how does everything fall in islam because of that belief how does that change anything in islam it doesn't it doesn't change islam in any way so what's the problem then

the problem uh so then the problem is that it's that doesn't mean that that's a reality let me get this right if we're going to say that look okay today by the way evolution today is it's not i don't know how much you are well read in evolution so it's not just based on how charles darwin wrote today evolution is proven through genetics okay through through the dna code we can see mathematically where things are related you can see it in the actual patterns it's not like you know when they span out like the human genome project and they've got

other genetic structures you can see where they are related they will then for example when we do experiments when scientists will do things like grow a uh human let's say a human ear on a particular rodent it will only work because the genetic structure they understand the genetic structure to do that otherwise these things couldn't be successful they demonstrate that what the theories they're saying hold weight that the genetics do tie up it's not just a so it's not like oh you know human beings look a bit like monkeys therefore they must be related it's based forget about the the phenotype

it's the ch it's the genotypes the genetics that that they're actually looking at okay just to be clear because sometimes people forget that they think oh we're talking about when darwin you know didn't have genetics and he didn't have dna right so okay what we know is science today not just science dna shows you that things are related okay we accept that it shows you that that things have been like this is related to mammals which are related to this and you can see and from that you can gather a story we have in the quran allah is also affirming this

we have in our observable world every like i'm sure you don't know a single person who was ever born without you know both a mother and father i'm sure you wouldn't know a single person like that in in reality you would never know that that that i can state that as a fact right and i'm sure you know that as a fact that every single human being on earth that has ever lived that you know or that you know anybody who knows has also followed that law of nature it's not like this is not something which oh wow you know every third person is born without a doubt right so now there is a reason that you are struggling to accept this

there's a reason you're struggling because it's not your reality confirms it mathematics confirms it genetics confirms it science confirms it the quran confirms it as well but you you're struggling with it now the question is this you have to introspect why are you struggling because when i asked you that look if adam was born of parents how does this how does islam fall apart like how does this ruin the message of islam and you said well it doesn't which is true it doesn't it doesn't like if i asked you what was the name of no islam's mom and dad you wouldn't know i wouldn't know

what what what the problem is is saying that allah abide by the rules that he has created he doesn't have to but when you say about faith he has to abide by those rules then what do you mean by that because when when you speak about faith that allah says he created a hell a heaven and after life if you do this if you believe in him you'll go to heaven but obviously with his grace but you do does he have to abide by those rules then or did there doesn't have to be an afterlife he could just change his mind because if he follows rules he's restricted but that's different

why is that different because you're saying god creates rules and to stick by them if he sticks by them a hundred percent then he's somehow restricted now we would say well first of all he's the one who created them it's not that he's being forced to stick by them he says this is my son now you're never gonna see it change he tells you that these are his rules but you're saying but somehow there's a problem if he sticks to his rules so then in that case why does he have to stick to the other rules about the achira and the things like this uh the the laws of

nature versus uh what allah says and has said and why he has to abide by it are two different things no because now to say something to speak is still a a phenomenon within reality within nature is it not so you're saying that speech must be coherent with reality like when i speak i must speak the truth why that's also an observation of nature is it not like you observe truth within react within nature you don't observe it outside of nature so if you're saying when allah speaks in the quran he sets rules those rules he has to follow when he sets rules in nature

those he if he follows them then he's being too constricted and he doesn't need to and we can't constrict god so i i'm struggling to accept that but i'm not struggling to accept this the rules of death after life is different that barzak is different you've never even seen it it's been mentioned all right yeah but you've never seen it but these laws but these laws of nature you have felt every single day yeah you've actually they're as real to you as you are but yet you say that for god to you know to have these rules and to always stick by them is a restriction

and things which yet have no actual existence for you as apart from just what you've heard and read they don't actually they don't have a tangible reality for you well reality in terms of what memory because i mean no not memory tangible reality a tangible reality when we were in our mother's womb we didn't know we existed when we were up to three we didn't know we existed but you do now i do know it's different all right exactly so did i not exist because i don't remember right no i'm not saying that but what i'm saying to you is that it's interesting that you i don't have a problem with saying that when allah creates rules he sticks by them

but this seems to you feel that that's a problem for allah to stick by his own rules because you're saying allah create who created the laws of nature of course so so so for him to stick by them it seems to be a problem to you no it doesn't why what i'm saying is he's not uh bound by them yeah but he's not bound to to make an akhirah for you

why is he is he bound to make a naked for you yes because allah is bound so he's bound he's not bound uh no exactly so what you're saying is god sets out sunan and he says you won't they won't change your question is kind of a thing can god create a rock that's so heavy that he cannot pick up no they're not they're not it's nothing like that they're nothing like that i've actually asked them

if you know if you say no it also limits no because i've asked you a very reasonable question i've said to you that look who created the laws of nature and he said well god did so i said well what's the problem if god keeps the laws of nature he said no no but that's if he sticks to his rules then he's restricted so i said well who created the rules that there's going to be an afterlife he said well god well by that logic if he sticks to this he's also responding after life is doesn't abide by the rules of this this this world but it abides by some rules yeah does it abide by the rule of existence what do you mean by that that's a rule

like the the fact that it has to tangibly exist uh well uh i believe uh you know i'm a very limited uh uh so the soul is immaterial so our body in this world is primary our soul is secondary when we die our soul becomes primary our bodies look mature that's right i'm not talking about the soul right i'm saying that the issue is this you are struggling to accept something now you need to introspect what is the problem because it's not

islam it's something else that's the problem that you are refusing because the quran is actually saying that and the laws of nature around you are saying that what is bothering you to believe that allah created adam and eve out of nothing they would they don't have wombs they didn't have mothers or fathers they were created just the way that allah tell you what's stopping me i'll tell you what's stopping me reason i'll tell you no suratul minoon i've read the verse to you verses 12 to 14.

but that's talking about humans not uh and not adam all right okay so in sun allah says he created insan from who is he talking about human beings do you know any humans that were just created out of thin out of nothing you mean no the verse begins with is the who is this talking about who is it talking about uh i believe that's the uh the humans not adam alaihissalam so it's not also do you know any humans that were mated made out of thin that were made out of clay so is allah

lying then is allah lying is that what he's doing when he's talking about clay he's talking about uh uh oh some who then we made him this hymn is a different hymn adam islam was created different than how we are created no this is the same this is the same surah is the next verse then we made him a a drop of sperm what is allah just saying this he doesn't know what he's saying he's lost his train of thought i mean what what's going on here what's allah is saying that this is how insane was created and he was created as a drop of sperm then

why does it uh why did i specifically say adam what is satan son what's the difference because in quran there's a reason behind everything yeah sure but do you know any insane that was made that was made out of clay do you know any incense that were made out of clay i don't know no but it doesn't mean it didn't so so do you assume there are human beings that i just mentioned was made out of clay out of the bathroom they finished the verse but he was made the drop of sperm then who who's the who going back to he's going back to that same person that

was made out of bean so and okay so if you want to get more precise the clay what does clay consist of what does clay consist of now i did not say i did not allah does not say i created him out of clay means and i did say that this refers to dna i did say that now you can take a different interpretation that's fine many people that today understand dna would say that this is what it's most likely referring to what is dna made of phosphorus carbon and isn't this something that's found in clay or in everywhere around us no

so the thing is the theme resemblance that's being given is about something murky in its existence it's not if you're taking it as a literal explanation that when it's been mentioned it is literal then that's okay that's fine that's your understanding but you're still stuck because if he's being made out of mud and clay then how is he a drop of sperm in the as it follows so to take that entire verse literally you're stuck you know it's a very difficult thing most people don't take it absolutely literally they don't tell me if allah can make adam

just like this why make him out of clay well again that question goes by what is what is meant by clay no so why not just why not no so why not make him out of thin air in a way everything is made of thin air if you think about it no it isn't it is i don't mean in the atomic kind of space between the molecular structures at a subatomic level i'm talking about when allah says that he created adam uh that he mentions

that you see he says that about kun fayakun but he says he first of all created him then said kunfayakum why why create him why not just say kunfayekun so the uh in this verse the creation is it talking about the soul or is it talking about the physical body no it seems to be talking about the physical body because this is where they are saying well what about jesus then they're trying to and and by the way this was where i began i was going to explain why the quran did not

immediately dis disbelief it didn't diss it it did not refuse not refuse but it did not uh it seems to circumvent dissing the christians now the question is is that because islam felt it was true so that's obviously what you're arguing you're arguing that when islam circumvents not openly refuting the virgin birth or not openly refuting that adam was created from you know uh when they asked what about jesus then says mataluka adam

so you're assuming from this this is because they hold the truth the christians do this was simply so that the muslims and christians could build a bridge and they would have some it would grow in proximity to one another hence allah whenever speaking about jesus or speaking about the christian narrative uses certain terms like for example the holy spirit this term isn't really used for other prophets even when allah says that jesus was the word of god the word of god what does that even mean the word of god

these were christian words that the quran did employ it does use it to build bridges between the muslim communities and the christians because the christians were a make or break deal they were the byzantines they were the axomites they were surrounded around eastern arabia you if if if muslims were to make any attempt for islam to spread it was going to be through the christian arabs of the northern kingdoms so it created bridges it says

oh you people of scripture come to a middle ground between us meaning we will give up some things like we're being accommodating you be somewhat accommodating the thing that they weren't islam didn't accommodate on was the trinity but it kind of allowed them to entertain these other beliefs it didn't have a huge issue it said you know if you want to believe in the virgin birth we're not going to the quran did not affirm it but it gave them the space to infer it because it allowed that middle ground now this was actually what i was going to answer when we when you began by saying well

why did islam not clearly criticize them but look i get the fact that you know many people will struggle with these kind of things i feel that the reason they have you know like people say to me i need to introspect and i do and i do reflect and i do think well why do i uh believe this i think people need to introspect as well you know people that critique these like let's say the voice of reason and they need to think well what is it that's actually stopping them from accepting reason like what is it that's actually stopping them and often

it will just be culture sectarian or dogma that has already been set out and and and the often i'm not maybe not always but often it will just be that because they were brought up in a particular way upon certain dogma they just struggled to part ways from that but i mean i i do want to put in the disclaimer again that look i'm not telling people it would be ironic of me to tell people to believe what i believe because that would be dogma but the thing is as as a as a public speaker you know we have responsibility if i wear a white coat and i

tell uh no no no no let me correct myself let me sorry let me just add the i am of course i'm inviting them to reflect and i would like them to believe what i believe of course but i'm not instructing them so there's a difference because that would just be dogmatic it would be counterproductive for me to replace dogma with dogma i'm trying to replace it with the with the the nur of the the kind of enlightenment of reason but do you believe do you also do you believe that we are limited with our reasoning do you believe humans have limitations yeah we do we do we do so is it possible that some things that

logically reason reasonably doesn't make any sense but that's because of our limitations do you believe in that or yeah but it's the yeah but hopeful that everything has to make sense to you no right so the laws of this dunya so just to be clear i everybody with any reason recognizes that reason two has its limitations but it is the best that we as human beings have for in any uh inter-subjective dialogue we don't have anything beyond

reason because it is the best thing to allow there to be any inter-subjective dialogue because without reason then when i ask you how do you know that that tree over there isn't god how do you know that well you're going to start giving me reasons or sorry a rationale based on reason you're going to start saying well uh but but then i could say well but but your reason has limitations maybe that tree in my back garden is actually god but it's just done it in a way that's outside the capacity of your reason correct i mean that's not saying so with the reason there are certain things that we take it

as so do you not believe do you not believe that belief in god is not based on reason no it is but not ever not no but so is so do you even your belief in god can you but argue a belief in god without reason i mean would you would that because then it's just a free-for-all isn't it like this can over here is god it is how do you know well just because you don't know it doesn't mean it's not god you see it you can only argue that now based on reason

so yes your reason to argue that this can is not god is still going to be your reason anybody's reason is reason is limited at some point but it's the best we've got no no i'm not i'm not saying that we shouldn't reason the existence of god i'm not saying what does it make so does it follow a god that invites you to believe in him based on reason based on reason then tells you to believe in things that go against reason does that follow well our reasons is different on human resources now wait a minute so

the god that invited i don't mean reasons but reason with a capital r that god that invites you to believe in him based on reason would then the moment you accept him start telling you to believe things that go against reason when that was the very tool he told you to use to believe that he's the truth no i i was under assumption that even in the quran there there are verses that says that there are certain things that we're not we don't know and we're not supposed to know until the end of twice but they're not account reason ever you're talking i'm not talking about the rabiats i'm not talking about things like

is there going to be an afterlife like that now look it's not counter reason that there's going to be a continuity of life it's not counter reason we just don't have evidence for it okay fine that's not the these things that the rabiat are not irrational beliefs right they're just they're just beliefs that we can't substantiate which is fine that's not that's not the issue the issue is would god who calls you to believe in him on reason the moment you accept him starts telling you to do things which are uh starts telling you to accept things which are now from a rational perspective absurd so they don't make sense they're not they're irrational all of a sudden so i

would say and i accept that you can accept that but to me i can't accept that because a god that calls you to believe in him on reason to me can that's like if an organization asks me to join them based on their uh you know championing human rights and the moment you join them they ask you to murder someone right now you you'll be like what the hell are these guys about this is pure hypocrisy double standards now to me that would stand true if a god invited us to him based on reason the moment we accepted he told us oh you know that tool i told you to

uh you know use to recognize me i want you to kind of like throw that away now and start believing weird stuff so this i think but this is not obviously we're not going to be able to get to the end of this here tonight sure because we have gone on quite a bit but i think it's been very fruitful so i do really appreciate that you did come on and we discussed my last question uh i guess is the idea of color like if i have a gun and i go and i kill someone yeah was that my free will or was that

yes i would i have said in my understanding of free will that free will is human beings do have free will and i kind of in uh have given an analogy or made it analogous to someone of a computer game so i've said if you have a video game then somebody has designed all possible outcomes now for you to be able to conduct any outcome it must have been designed however where you get in the game and what you do along the way is entirely up to you as the player so but somebody must have designed it it is true so in somewhat of a poor

approximation i give that example uh i do explain that look it is it is diff it's a very difficult in fact when discussing with the uh the uh professor of quantum physics uh dr faysal mead we he used the example i liked it very much giving the analogy of what is the the heisenberg principle in quantum physics saying that look basically when we're speaking about human beings and speaking of free will it you cannot speak about destiny in that thing it's used up the capacity like it can only like in a sentence you can either be talking about free will or you can be talking about destiny

like predestination um when you use them both it it just doesn't our thinking just does not capacitate completely for that uh and in somewhat of a way i accept that so what what what does the law of nature say about that the law of nature what a scientific thing about it oh and according to you when it comes to free will how do you answer because you like to use reason and love so that is so based on reason i have given the example of the video game and that is a

something based on reason i'm giving an example of how free will would work so you as the you would have agency but yes there has been design in where the character obviously wherever the character whether you got to stage four or level five or level 99 in the game is your doing but the game was designed all right yeah cool abdul malik i'll leave you with it it's been an absolute pleasure take very good care of yourself

no no not at all and i want to actually say before you go that this is actually a very i'm very glad that we had this discussion but it's also demonstrative of look people can disagree and we can still have a very civil conversation because sometimes people have said to me that oh you know that that oh that they wouldn't you know i wouldn't engage people's discussions if they disagreed with me of course i would and and i'm really glad that you did ask that abdul malik so much love take very good whoa guys it's been going on uh that i'm you know we did get a bit carried away there but

you know what so many people ask these questions that i was kind of glad that okay i you know once i get into you know i have this problem by the way you know wherever i go it's like i could be in a rush i could be in a hurry and then i could be somewhere and somebody just starts talking about something and i just you know some people say i just get like stuck with glue and i'll be like oh yeah but you know and then one hour later i'll be like oh damn i was already running late an hour ago you know that has been honestly the story of my life

i i got into that every single time but i thoroughly did enjoy that and i also felt that it was proof that look like i'm happy to discuss with people if they will discuss with me you know i'm not like you know people say oh if somebody comes on here i'll just start cursing them and mocking them and i wouldn't do something like that um right guys it is getting very late i tell you what let's just very briefly take on i know a few people have been waiting uh bring them on but time is of the essence people sami rosata

how are you doing ah look at that he left straight away he was like i know times of the essence my man he came in and went straight off right we've got here saeed khalifa alfred let's hit two in his side i'm good very much respect for that talk because uh you had a lot of patience and i was i was just so frustrated looking at the screen and it's just well it actually taught me like like just your patience mashallah even though there are some things i i don't agree with you but you were just very mashallah you're uh i appreciate that i appreciate it

i would i was gonna like um uh discuss to you some of the claims you've made on naturalism and all that uh but i think we don't have time i mean you went uh an hour over that so maybe i can't message you over instagram sure absolutely exciting found some ideas around but uh one thing i would like to discuss with you is just something you said about uh and and the sufi i i feel like you're not being fair to the sufi chef

for example like rumi or his likes you know like i don't think they someone like jalaluddin rumi would say that god is far or something like that or ah now okay now that's interesting because you see i would absolutely rate uh and respect people like that you see because people like jalaluddin rumi or you get other characters to you know junaid uh you'll have all these great sufis of the past even recently some like they have in the subcontinent people like bulesha and yeah these people to me i've really liked their spirit i mean i

love the spirit their spirit to me is very um it's iconoclastic it's very anti-institutionalization and i myself uh you know i'm like that and i like that about these people that they seem to be against the institutionalization of the dean so i i really rate them but and i don't see them as uh like when i mentioned about people let's say asking from graves and stuff i didn't have these people in mind at all like people like

you know broad term you know yeah yeah like a lot of uh yeah i don't even think i used the term sufi i don't think i did i just when i was asked that what do you say about people who do tawasso uh and i said that this is a common human problem human all too human i don't even think i use the word sufi yeah yeah but one last last monday night you you started giving your thoughts on al-ghazali and and then you just didn't continue so i was very curious as to okay what what are your thoughts on him as a because you said you had kind of mixed feelings about him you know

yeah i do you know i you see i do have kind of mixed feelings about imam razali sometimes yeah no not in a bad way like not in a way that i i like what i mean by that what are these mixed feelings they're not feelings of hatred or something like that but their feelings of like i find him sometimes weird and sometimes i i do like and you know i find like wow i i really take that thing that he's saying but so he seems to be this amalgamation of like what i feel are contradictory

personalities and i i guess we all are to some extent you know we contradictions in in many ways so he has a side to him that's very um or not side a phase in his life when he really goes against this whole he goes against philosophy he goes into this whole asceticism becoming a hermit he goes through a life crisis i mean yeah his life crisis that he went through it was was was something i mean it was incredible because um you know he was he was a very young very young kid and he was the the head of the nazi mia

which was you know and and that kind of had a lot of things happened to his you know that that played into his ego you know so he it kind of played to his head so he kind of started you know like doing things just for fame and notoriety you know and all that and so afterwards they kind of he went through kind of like he had and he had and he went through a faith crisis as well which i think is something i know people today you know they do this kind of like um almost this kind of like shaming thing over faith crises but i actually admire it because i feel there's a very

brave honesty to it that a person is like he writes in his monkeys you know he went through this crisis we he questioned things and and i think in his day and age it was so much harder like today we have you know things like from science and we have this and we have that and you know we have all these other things and philosophical developed discussions and we have like quantum physics and and and they didn't have any of these so i mean they had some obviously they did have philosophy but not i'm just saying the weights developed today so now he went so i admire what he went through i just feel that you know he came out like his

you see because his solution i and i get it i get it was that you see the only way i'm going to overcome faith this agnosticism is by crushing it with certain dogma dogmatic faith and not reason and i felt hmm okay which i in some ways i can understand because of his day and age you know it wasn't like a later day and age where some things facilitate reason but in his day and age reason could only get you so far because you didn't have the facts to prove it so yeah see i have a kind of a different

reading like for me i believe that he when he wanted to he said you know you could have faith as a certain you know like set of facts and and you can rationalize faith and all that but he he wanted to make sure people experience faith like it's he wanted to kind of stress the experiential level rather than than all that and he was i do think look i think he was a great imam i just feel that the things he got known for to me he was much greater than what he became known for you see he became known for somewhat of

a proto-sufi uh kind of like a hermit this is what he's really you know is and this is really what this side of his is what is really known when people say haz early in fact he was a great [ __ ] a legend in his two of his books are amongst the five major mathematica his mustache his uh you know he was even in philosophy i mean his rasa are epic like he's speaking about cartesian stuff way before descartes

yet when he kind of goes through that crisis and then he obviously completely slates the philosophers he says that they're just going to take you to kuffar and then he also kind of abandons the dunya and he has this this flavor to him that is very kind of almost anti-dunya like you know like don't indulge it and i'm not saying i get that but i'm just saying that i feel that influenced many later uh you know the fabric of later muslim society became very influenced by this

oh islam is about asceticism um giving up the world and and i feel that some of that does oh some of it owes its traces to people like imam rosali um so this is why i have these kind of like these kind of odd feelings about uh about but i he was a genius i'm not questioning his you know his genius um yeah but cool inshallah it's been an absolute pleasure side do you have a great message me likewise take care stay blessed you see that's it right there it says

inaya was saying that's the capricorn is that the capricorn in me the getting distracted uh right so but that was an absolute pleasure uh speaking with saeed right guys we gotta wrap this up but i know some of you have been waiting there's been an alma rahabar waiting for a little while uh almar how are you doing welcome to uh where are you joining from al maran have we just woken you up

sorry yeah my my hair is it's just the way you're like you're like you're like can you put it on snooze and wake me up in another five minutes please so where are you joining from alma i'm here from uh in connecticut in the united states connecticut alright almar that's a rather um unique different name what is that it's it's uh

and it means it's a pleasure to actually uh speak to you in person it's it's uh quite an honor right it's an absolute con you know it's uh absolute uh pleasure for us to have you here is there maybe something you'd like to i don't know say our share

well i just wanted to express how awesome it is talking to you but you're doing it you're doing it if you want if you give me the option to choose a topic uh i i'm pretty big into cosmology wow i mean not that we can go into cosmology but what is there a particular thing about cosmology or just cosmology as a whole um i mean i have i have a stance in in it which is very different than

most people's that smirk is telling us go for it what's this what's your stance in unique stance in cosmology just don't say you're the divine manifestation anything else will will will accept yeah no i won't what's the what's this what's this yeah so i mean you might have heard of it before but pretty much um like flat earth or that's like the stupid way to say it um oh you are oh you believe in a flat

earth is that what you think yeah i think a more proper term would be like geocentrism but geocentrism with a spherical globe or with a flat coin base ah i would say a flat yeah like that floating around no sorry no static everything else is floating around but you know let me ask you know for that uh let's say this this is earth and the sun oh there are planets here there's planets out there um there's things in the sky

that they in the past they called them um wandering stars okay sure so let's say these stars and the sun and whatever they are out there planets what we would call it are they are they spherical or are they also flat um we only know what how we perceive them i don't think we can ever find out unless you know i don't think every anyone's ever been there to to tell the moon however looks pretty round so the moon is round no but from a common sense perspective

if something was to be moving around let's say and it had come together in a way by certain forces let's say wouldn't it make sense like like when you're about to throw a snowball for example you're not gonna go here's a slice and let me throw a slice you're gonna kind of because the ball by its very nature the way it moves uh it's the aerodynamics facilitates it so wouldn't it make sense anyway that it would rather than a coin you know you say okay i'm gonna make something to throw and i suppose well unless you're gonna argue a frisbee okay i so i see what you're saying like because they're moving objects um you

would assume that they would have like you know like a three-dimensional structure spherical probably because they look because is it are they just like chapatis out there um okay so i think uh if you look at them with like an actual telescope you know there are people who do that um they just look like these weird lights um and different planets look different um they're like changing colors they're like changing shapes they

they look like staticky i mean okay do you feel that you know the the whole space station and satellites and all these fake uh no i think there are satellites but obviously the fact that we're having this communication there must be a satellite true although there are cables that run across the entire ocean huge like huge game but um but yeah they're satellites although they because obviously instantaneous real time you know like when i'm what's happening you and let's say and uh or if you're

speaking somebody in real time and you can see that they're engaging right now in real time this is not being done through a cable like i'm not you know gonna be here like there's no cable here it's not gonna be done through it is all like there would be satellites up there that would facilitate these kind of at some point at some point obviously this is going to ping off certain things and then it's going to ping off but there would be a certain level a satellite to um to facilitate that but okay but i mean if so because obviously airplanes exist yes obviously so rockets rockets exist

they do they do do you feel that they they are aware that of this and they're hiding it or you feel that they're just still unaware um rockets so for airplanes i think they are airplanes only go about 40 000 feet up so they're not going to really go up into you know out of the earth's atmosphere but what about these other like the international space station they can uh or these satellites outside of you know just caught on the earth's kind of external atmosphere they're not you know those

these kind of things and people that might go up there to do stuff do they know the earth's flat or they don't know i think there are very few number of people that know that it's i knew you were unique when you came on with that name you know i knew you're doing it i i feel like a unh2 but incredibly unique there's a lot of flat earthers actually it was taught

uh it was the main stream view up until like the pretty much the moon landing you know people think that it would it's you know with other celestial bodies they don't think they're flat they think they're around usually like the moon the sun they feel that those are kind of like round usually i would have thought no with other celestial bodies yeah like the moon the sun planets the moon yeah the sun yeah the planets they just called them so you know you do know that so for example you know aristotle pre-jesus when he was speaking about this saying

why the earth is round you know you know the reasons that they gave why the earth is round um this will show how human beings were thinking not 20 years ago or 23 years ago but 2 300 years ago okay that's yeah there were a few people these are people like very esoteric people and like most so i'll tell you by the way how he how he did that so through the eclipse you see so what you have is when you have the lunar eclipse the earth right so you obviously you've

got if we got the solar eclipse and the lunar eclipse but the earth will also cast a shadow onto the moon right so you were so when it's done on several occasions and they've measured it it's been if the earth was a coin or the way is they this is 2 300 years ago them using their logic they dictated that look and the way the moon does it and other things that these bodies are round because of the shape as it starts to block out the light of the moon so they they realized oh so the earth is actually

it's round wow okay um but obviously what did they do not joking oh no it's cool but do you feel do you feel that the globe has like antarctica surrounds the globe and it's ice and people is that what's stopping people from going to the edge and falling off or what's the um there's probably some kind of uh i don't know what's there but i i do think there are boundaries that we can't cross um i think there's even so let's say when people go from america to you're in america

they fly both directions don't they they fly they fly from you guys east and west going round how does that work shouldn't that be the end of the world over there or something end of the um it's pretty simple it's just like you're going you know around like just you know you just instead of uh yeah you're just going like it's hard for me to explain it but not just for you no no no it's hard for the entire no it's like very simple it's a very you just have to look at the map do you know what the map is

like the geocentric map okay oh they've got a different map altogether wow okay okay i mean yeah you know well no it's it's the same map it's just a different uh layout layup yeah so they're trying to say well that's hmm okay is that okay is there a reason why you believe in this because the reason the the christians back this is because they feel that this uh this geocentric thing was taught by the church and they have to be loyal to that dogma

obviously muslims don't carry that baggage why would you and and i'm sure there's many non-christian flat earthers as well but this is where it kind of first got its kind of hype from the christian background why do you feel uh loyal to this movement this was actually what um brought me into islam wow that's incredible you did you did an absolute columbus

flat earth flat there's only one god even even the flat earthers are like huh no dude that's not what how did you make that conclusion i feel like look you're like look it's flat it's it's one dimensional it's like no it's one one one card one i know it's it's unique right that's that is but i don't know i mean we should i think if you're ever free uh how i don't know what days you do this

but yeah i mean this i only do once a month this musty's meetup but but do message me on instagram or on uh the other um you know platforms i uh and inshallah it'll be great to kind of to connect if you are by the way for the viewers as well i am on patreon as well you do and it people if you if you're feeling a bit too like yeah let's let's support this cause if you do like yellow

right so but guys it's been an absolute pleasure it's amazing to hear of your story i have to say you are the first person i heard that ever was brought to islam via the flat earth geocentric model even the shaytan's like he's like he's like he's like yes

he's like i'm trying to i'm trying to dumb these these people down and he is all right people you know what it's we've gone on for a while it's been up to three hours and somebody said that guy looks like tony montana yeah he did actually so thereby you doing it you're doing it right so people

uh right so what's magnificent picks there you go look at that there you go is that look i've had to cancel the gym today for you guys people take very good care of yourselves i'm gonna have to wrap this up i'm ever so sorry for those guys that were that were waiting in the waiting room and i couldn't get to speak to you it's four o'clock man four o'clock i've still got to eat something and then i've got a knockout so take very good care of yourselves wherever you are remember me and your kind if you are have not

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