Should Shamima Begum and Other ISIS Returnees be Allowed to Return? -Mufti Abu Layth

speaking of the naughty naughty we've got and speaking of the naughty naughty women we've got shamima beum people shamima beum so what are our thoughts on uh Shima sha beum wanting to come back to the now she's sitting in some Camp I want to go back yeah I want to go back to UK so and the news has come in just today breaking news

that the UK have revoked her citizenship the UK are like they're like you can you can do one in other words so she's been left stranded people so what are our thoughts on this so personally I think wait wait

drink all right so I think my thoughts my thoughts are exactly the same she can go to hell as far as I'm concerned right she is a joke right absolute joke people No Remorse no kind of like regret she's gone off to join vicious butchers and and in her inter I mean I'll come to her interview but I want to remind people something you know some

people are seeing a picture of like a Muslim girl and they are identifying so they're thinking like a oh like that could be you know like like let's say you know women folk around you girls around you Muslim girls I'm making it sound like there's some kind of harim over here like of Muslim girls no but I mean generally the girls around you that you may personally know and you're identifying whether it's the guys or some of the girls are personally identifying and they're thinking a you know oh well she was young and she went and she got groomed

and I want to just stop people right there I pause press the pause button I say this good for nothing she is somebody first to make this very clear she openly betrayed Allah and his messenger she has insulted them insulted God and His messenger by going to kill primarily

Muslims they went over there to butcher Muslims because according to them the vast majority of the Muslims are all cfirs they were all Hypocrites according to them we were all cfirs right and we just happen to be in a different geopolitical I don't know position if we were over there they would have unquestionably beheaded us there's no two ways about that by the time she went there beheadings had already taken place the propaganda was out there the prop the beheadings began in I think

2014 right and the Isis propaganda she was well aware of what she was doing and under her while she was there she says I saw a head cut off thrown in a bin I saw uh EV you know my husband would tell me about executions taking place on a daily basis ex loss of this is loss of life people people are being massacred whilst they Relish in this stupid fantasy of some kind of caliphate that they're setting up on the blood and

skulls of innocent victims be beginning the first thing they executed is the honor of Islam they threw God and His messenger under the bus to begin with these people deserve zero zero compassion right from any faith perspective if there's a legal argument that's separate that's a legal argument for could have she returned or not but as far as a faith perspective is concerned these people were content they relished they were happy they took Delight in the murder and butcher

butchering of innocent people many of whom the most of whom were Muslims so have no compassion from that perspective about these people they knew very well what they were doing uh I'm glad she has not come back to this country because that that I mean first of all then there was the legal argument okay so that's just the religious thing I wanted to clear up um right so somebody said look let me get this right they don't deserve MO Mercy because they betrayed the religion no look Mercy from God take let them let them have mercy from God I'm not saying I'm not stopping

who am I to stop God I can't stop the mercy of God but should we show them mercy no these people if there's no if the tables were turned when the tables were turned were butchering they were butchering killing beheading executing destroying this Dean we have as far as a faith perspective we have no compassion we do not go out of our way I'm not saying I'm not saying executor I'm against capital punishment I'm not saying executor but so I'm not saying to do harm to her like that she has already

met her own fate she went there in Hope of some ridiculous satanic concept of some Global Dominion that they will establish in in the name of some califate and they've met their fate this is it this was their fate I mean she's in a refugee camp cool she chose it you know God never picked her up and threw her in some refugee camp she got up and went there so why should people pay for her to come back why why should other

Muslims be victimized because of her if she came back I tell you what would have happened is it would have empowered the far right to say ah so we haven't got money for our kids and this and this and this but we've got money for extremist terrorists to feed and clothe them if she came back the backlash on every common Muslim would have been an actual reality it's not something like oh you know it would have been the situation in the UK is tense brexit is a

mess the government here shouldn't be trying to bring back terrorists into this country what the hell for she is first and foremost our enemy right she's the type of person I mean she and anybody of her ilk that went over there to kill innocent people these people if if dehydrated do not deserve to be urinated on I'm telling you these people deserve not they first and foremost are the enemies of God and his messenger so from a religious perspective we do not do them no favors that's as far I'm not saying you

persecute them now like I'm not saying bomb her or shoot her or anything but I'm saying let her be where she is she's in some Camp let her stay there that's her choice she can do whatever she wants now I hope she's found what she went for you know and this is exactly what Allah warned them in the Quran that they will find what they've gone seeking and this is the you know how do they feel now that you know some ridiculous concept that we're going to take over the world and milia you know it's like this this

is so so have no compassion do not argue her cause that's what I would say yes there was a slight legal argument I acknowledge that there was a legal argument in the sense that uh she there was this there was the argument that she was a under 18 when she left so you know because of naivity and because of being was she groomed or not or take groomed isn't the right word but did she have advantage taken of her and she wasn't a full adult so there was some legal argument and I acknowledge that as a legal argument not as a religious uh

kind of compassionate argument but as a legal argument but then in contrast with that look at her attitude now her attitude was one of No Regret she said I do not on TV she said I don't regret joining Isis and look at what she said she said oh why does Mr Sajid Javid think that I am a threat I I don't have any weapons and check this out she said and even if I do have weapons that was her words she said and even if I had weapons why would I use them because you're a goddamn member of Isis you thick you think good for nothing what do

you mean why would you use that cuz you're Isis you know then they say muy swears of course you're going to what do you mean why would I use them you'd use them because you're a nutcase terrorist what else and so yes there was a little legal argument and she could have been brought back and I accept this legal argument and as soon as she came back she would have spent her life in jail um there was that legal argument but then to be fair the government would have had to pay for her bring her here pay for her

living pay for her cost of accommodation in prison pay for her supervision her medical costs they would have had to pay for and this would have then evoked a kind of uh a backlash from the far right and the the kind of disenfranchised people of the British public so the general musl I think overruled that one um tiny musl of the legal argument so I agree with the home what the what the government the decision they've taken I think hell yeah right you know it's like go look ask

bagdadi abak aladi ask him for some help right so she was groomed by ISIS she wasn't groomed by ISIS man she knew exactly what she was doing she you know what I don't buy into this the propaganda was out there they were beheading people they were doing things she knew that I wonder where her friends are by the way they haven't asked her where because there were three of the girls that left um so what if muy what is muy talking about right now I'm talking about shamima

Shima beam right uh right views on okay so I think that's her covered right so she's we have a decision she's declared stateless but you know what in a way the irony is that these extremists don't believe in the concept of nation states [Laughter] so her being declared stateless it kind of correlates with her beliefs and this is why I uh you know I condemn any of these extremist groups

that don't go that full way but they lend some legitimacy to these people uh people groups like these kind of groups that are against States and speak of global do dominion and we need a global caliphate and things like this you have to be very weary because these are like these groups are like the grooming process for that so you know you get onto these groups you start having a hatred for people you think that no nation state is legitimate in the world all law is illegitimate in the world every we live in the land of War you see and then

you're just a step away the next step is well since we live in har naturally these are enemy combatants these are har and therefore we are at war with them so this is why uh I have no sympathy for groups like that either and if any of your family members are influenced by them I would advise you to really uh do your best to kind of Salvage the situation to to kind of bring especially the younger people bring them back from this kind of a concept don't let them get and I've said this whole thing about is honestly it's it's a myth okay um

there's no such thing as and I've mentioned that even this word that comes in all these hadiths is made up afterwards because the worda in the time of the Arabs wasn't used with this concept it wasn't used to mean rulership so how could the prophet be using this word in a Hadith when the word didn't mean that in his time just meant something that came after it didn't mean in any kind of you like this Vice or Deputy role or this is a political understanding that emerges in the time of abak so in the prophet's time it didn't

even exist so how could the prophet be speaking about it to a people who wouldn't understand it so this is a very important question that this concept couldn't have existed in his time the prophet couldn't have used that word the Arabs knew Kings they had muluk and they had the term wul they had the term um they had the terms they had these kind of terms but they never had this term of and this is a PO Islamic uh part of the culture as Islamic kingdoms emerged they came up with these words so the prophet could

have been speaking like that that's like if you get you know if if we get a uh something from I don't know you're reading up something by um you could be reading anything something by Abraham Lincoln speaking about mobile phones if he's using the word mobile he can't be using mobile to mean mobile phone because mobile phones don't exist in his time so nobody would understand what he's on about so the prophet can't be using the word to mean that so that means he never used these words so either this Hadith or these Hadith that you have on are either

people reinterpreting them and putting them in or they're entirely made up just to serve the kings of the early like thei Inari there will be 12 after me 12 of bani you're right and this is ridiculous this Hadith cannot exist because the prophet couldn't be speaking like that because then the companions even when they came up with the word Khalifa for Abu Bakr they came up with it they didn't even not they said how about we use the word Khalifa If the prophet had been teaching them they ought to say yes the prophet has already told us about this we will

be using the words he taught us he taught us the word Khalifa We will be using the word khif they actually use different words first they said amid then they said how about we call you Khalifa so this is all a madeup myth and it's done to kind of give Muslims today some kind of false Nostalgia and false hope that the reason we're suffering is because we haven't got a caliphate if we had a caliphate everything would be Rosy and you know it' be Dandy and everything would be brilliant