Mufti's Meetup [Ramadan]

let me just share the link alright see if that gets shared out it does arrive people [Music] vampire greetings even though vampiric ramadan greetings i guess so what is going on people what is going on

afraid alright alright ah much [Music] what is going on nothing i was just on your fan discord right now we were playing some games [Laughter] on my fun discord yeah yeah what's going on playing games at these hours yeah i have a i have my final gcse exams

on monday but who's got time for revision yeah what is this life except it's just that's all it is people it's just entertainment so what's going down what's what's up what what are the take are you up to you're always up to some kind of tacky um nowadays um i'm actually um we've been talking about the calendar issue so um of course it's a kind of ijmanta i thought that obviously islam is a purely lunar calendar

supposed to be lunisolar uh but the thing is their arguments are purely um theoretical there's no evidence like historically for their claims of uh being otherwise why do why do you think it it's not meant to be lunisolar well that would be the the question i would uh pose then why would they think it is loony solo um generally i mean these issues are i mean it it comes back to how islamic do you think these issues are as in are they a matter of the faith

or are we speaking just historically what did the arabs of that region in that time what do we assume that they went by when we look at matters like the lunar calendar it does appear that they went to they went along with what may have been the jewish calendar which was dependent on both it was luna but it used the solar calendar to rectify

that within i believe a 19-year cycle and and i do actually think that is more accurate the um but the thing about the jews using the lunisolar calendar the they say that this would have this would have happened during the babylonian exile so even if you were to use islamic terminologies it would have been a bidder of the jews so what do you what do you mean to be the half the jews like it wouldn't have been their original solar calendar like um so most people in most tafasir about nasi they say that they would um nasi included both the shuffling and it included the uh the intercalation the kabisa yeah

but um there's there's uh two groups of scholars some say that shuffling never happened but intercalation happened some say intercalation never happened but shuffling happened so there's uh there's different opinions and it's quite confusing i i would i would personally find myself in line with those people that do argue for the intercalation that there was a month this was a month and it was in line it was used every there was a system on when and how to use it it wasn't just it wasn't just cyclical uh in the sense that

every um you know every three years you add a every three years you add a a month but it had to be incorporated in such a way that it it balanced out and um yeah so i would feel that and that was what the and maybe some people were misusing it you see that would also give more meaning to the names of the months yeah so i i would definitely it you see for the months to be reasonably static

would make sense as opposed to um so rabia being in spring right yeah um you know these things being in winter uh the sacred months also being those months that were used for either harvest or used for the um you know the kind of primary season months it just makes more sense than a free-flowing kind of calendar uh that's what i'd assume but why do you feel any of this is a problem uh the problem would be um

this is why like uh this happened during the start of ramadan so i got a bit scared at the start but then afterwards i started getting a bit less uh doubtful that it would the the implication would be that we as muslims are using the incorrect calendar incorrect calendar or as in we're miss timing it yeah right okay yeah i mean we possibly are but i don't think that makes a difference uh i don't think that's the goal um behind so it depends what we mean by using the wrong calendar we're using the same calendar so it's still ramadan it's still you know uh going to be maharam and safar and all these

months are the same months except for a very long time it's gone into this kind of like a free-floating cycle so it just kind of just rotates around the year now this has its own virtues and merits but it does lose out on some where it loses it gains where it gains it loses so um on one hand one could argue that the season of hajj or the season of ramadan now is found right throughout the year which i suppose in some ways is a blessing for certain people who live in certain regions of this globe that can

participate differently because you know if you lived in a certain part that's just pure you know six months night or six months day or if you or even just near to those regions where there's excessive daylight so it kind of gives more availability to certain people so that's a blessing but is it a problem in the sense that now we are let's say what was meant to be ramadan in the eyes in the eye of in in knowledge of god yeah okay what is that ramadan

when does that happen because if this is just you know free-floating around the year then that actual ramadan may have be static but i so although that argument i feel is correct but i don't feel as incorrect from a perspective but i feel that that they're missing the point that in in in the sight of god ramadan as a fixed static month was never the objective anyway it wasn't um it wasn't about particular calendars that was never you know that's not what allah was trying to get us to

celebrate or do things it was just setting a time which muslims are doing and have been doing whether they've allowed it to kind of free flow throughout annually or remain static to me is neither here neither there it doesn't make a difference but yeah so uh some people's like by red history he said that the um the making of hajj into a static season was actually why did allah call it he said that it was because they used to make hajj be in the winter and they would get lots of good trade so they made hajj into a tijarov when it was supposed to be when it was supposed to be moving it was

supposed to be accessible for people in the arabian peninsula and in the wider world so that's his argument and then you also come into the issue that um like for example you we uh you believe in the living tradition alhamdulillah i do as well so the the issue would come in there if this aspect of the living tradition can come into question then other aspects should as well such as okay as in to question them yeah um i see right um you see about the hajj being misused

i don't think that argument works why because um you know in the s was really only in the last year of the of islam or arguably people would say one year before with abu bakr radhialan but really in the final year of islam now i don't think in that one year people managed to to do so much if you're saying well no this was the hajj of the kuffar that they were mistreating it yeah they were misusing it right i think there would still be problems because when we look

at the hajj of the um of the kuffar or of pre-islam it is interesting that you see they actually had a calendar for with the the mostem so the mostem was actually a like a trade festival okay now the muslim would take place which became most of hajj but the muslim would take place in a different region each month and it would it would begin with places like um

you know hera up in iraq and it would come around and people like patricia crone and other people have done a lot of research in showing the meccan trade route and they've uh in discussing the meccan trade route where they've discussed these trade routes using um a lot of translations of old um of all data from greek and and other uh findings to show where these um where these occurrences were so they did used to it is true they would come to arafat and they would have the kind of muslim there and then they would have their day of uh celebration and

things like this but they never used to go to makkah and the makkans wouldn't often not join them yeah they would just stay in the yeah around the kappa so i can't really see i don't know but it may be difficult for them if they were working within a almost somewhat of an international framework a regional because it would have been dealing with the southern arabian kingdoms the middle kingdoms the northern kingdoms right up to iraq i don't know if they would have had such

influence i doubt it because makkah was not as popular as people think it was post islam there's an assumption that makkah was incredibly popular it wasn't actually very popular would have been popular in arabia or do you mean like overall like globally no even in arabia i don't think makkah was very popular at all um it just became popular after islam and the prophet muhammad but because if even if you remember the incident uh the famous narration of abraham you see because what was famous were places like barif they were famous they were popular but

mecca was not and hence it's not on any map historical map any map uh predating islam you don't find makkah on it you find yathrib you find thai even on the trade routes what all these people have kind of dug up the ancient trade route contracts and everything they found that the caravan never used to go to makkah because there was no makkah on the map that people were aware of most likely the mukkans would join the caravan at a particular point so that's most likely what used to happen um so it's not um this famous story of abraham where he

comes to that if but then he he says he hears of this other temple that people worship so he wants to destroy in the famous story of abraham taking his elephants but he doesn't know where he is so he says where is this place so one of the people allegedly trying to tell him um is this person called who's still buried uh or they claim he's buried or his location is at five so he then tells them that oh well makkah is allegedly in that direction because they don't know they've not heard of and he is a huge king who's ruling the entire south arabia they've not heard of where is

makkah but i i don't think this is a conspiracy the way some non-muslims have claimed that they claimed that muslims made this whole thing up i don't think that's true but i think just naturally the way things happen that when islam uh is islam kind of like um erupted there's an explosion of faith and the kind of light that it brings with it it eclipsed the history prior to it so for almost one to two hundred years

people really all became about islam and so people forgot a lot about what was happening one to two hundred years before even if you think about it today you know if somebody was to ask you well what was going on 100 years before today where we are today it's you know it's only if we're left to our own imagination we're gonna come up with all kinds of things and that's i feel i feel what happened in this case that people later on tried to guess oh you know maybe makkah was this huge place because now it's so important and

what would you say um um would mean then would it just mean like in the eyes of god because it's where his house is would you think that's why no that's actually a very good point [Laughter] if i knew you were gonna come prepared i wouldn't have started the topic

um brilliant question i've got a very detailed video by the way just for people who are curious um it's called a reply to dan gibson and the makkah question so um the reason it was called um it was named um one of the ancestors of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam who recaptures makkah from at that time the tribes um now he comes he had as a young child had gone to live in petra with his stepdad and he

gets kind of very um you know gets a lot of malt treatment and he is not you know gets bullied and things like this and but then he grows up and he has this huge identity thing and he comes back to mecca because that's where his origin is from and when he does eventually he this this struggle and he kind of with one of the high priests and when he does remarry so he marries i i believe the high priest's daughter and there's some power grab and but once he does gay uh gain some control over makkah he refashions the ka'ba and the surrounding buildings

and he makes them in a way that reflects especially the buildings reflect petra and this is why the kaaba is referred to even in sahih bukhari and these things as the kaaba shamir it is referred to the kaaba of sham and this is where people like dan gibson are quite easily misled because they think well the kaaba of shamia must be in petra because petra was called historically and they find that and they say look this is the quran is saying but he fashions it where he had grown up or spent a certain amount of his time

because petra was this you know it was this thing in his time so he calls it um naming it after petra and then this name kind of sticks and he's the one who invites quresh to come and settle in um in makkah yeah so and would you also say that um this is quite a big thing that gandhi saw propagates he talks about established history so he would say that for example no one can argue that muhammad didn't exist it's simply impossible for such a thing to be fabricated by such a large number of people uh he would say the mughal empire you cannot someone cannot say

it did not exist that someone just made it out so would you say that this is also a kind of sort of historical uh method right i i okay you see there's two ways that one approach is such a topic one is objectively one is subjectively so subjectively as muslims we can make these claims that look there is no doubt that the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam existed and he was a messenger of god as a muslim it would just be that he existed not messenger of god just that he existed no but i'm saying as a muslim we can

make these claims as if we're speaking objectively just as we just want to speak from an uh historical perspective the historicity of the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi i i don't feel we could say what we could say is that there is overwhelming or good enough evidence to suggest he existed i don't feel we could claim that there is categorical certainty because how would you claim categorical certainty um there wouldn't be a way to claim it except what you would do is one of the best ways

is you would look at an inter almost like um not an interdisciplinary but um an inter-historic perspective so you've got the muslims history but you have to remember muslim history is written much after the prophet it's probably written 150 to 200 years after the prophet um then you've got for but from the prophet's time we're going to get some um even if we say hadith have been transmitted but really even hadith documentation is like 200 years plus after the profit

almost so you do have some non-muslim um historians who live in the prophet's time and a few years after him they are writing about him they just they don't mention much about him but they mentioned that you know there's this this arab by the name of muhammad and they describe him as a warlord and that he's fighting and he's trying to take over our kingdoms and stuff now that goes to show that you know well it's very unlikely they would be making it up as well now when you put a bunch of things together it's it's and you get different historians so you get some from the

sassanid some from the byzantine some from the muslims um it's good enough to show that the prophet muhammad existed so that's what i would argue to say certainty is uh that's not how history would work because how would you claim certainty unless you had an actual something historic to so now what what did help a lot was the birmingham quran that helped a lot actually in this course um because yeah shazad saleem he knows the woman who

uh found the permanent manuscript and apparently she has some more manuscript that she's uh trying to release as well soon or something so that would be interesting right so okay that's um i look forward to that there's uh the birmingham quran manuscript did or the folio did show that it puts the quran back to either the prophet's time or just after him within a decade or two which is how the muslims have claimed it because we have claimed that it was written down most likely in uthman's time so it really matches with the history as

muslims had claimed because a lot of non-muslim historians not a lot sorry but certain non-muslim historians had pushed towards um they had uh pushed towards the fact that abdul malik ibn marwan had invented the prophet so they feel that the oldest inscriptions we have of the prophet which in dom of the rock and in other places and coins go back to abdul malik so they so some people had argued that abdul malik ibn marwan invented the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi

now as other peo as you know other historians have challenged this theory and said that look for abdul malik who's around 70 hijri to invent the prophet it would have been easier for the prophet to have existed exactly than for him to have invented the prophet yeah um it's like the i'm not sure about the person's name but the sunnis say that there was this one jew who invented shiism it's like yeah yeah yeah it's it's very um because if you think about it like some quranists they argue that salah is a is a zoroastrian thing it's it's very i find it kind of absurd that one some time in history

muslims are you know spread out everywhere they're all doing their own stuff and then somehow they all just some guy comes to them says oh by the way your prophet said pray five times a day yeah and and i feel that you know we have this triangulation perspective uh which is the the split between sunni shia and ibadi islam okay this kind of khariji islam which is one could argue a music in islam however ironically it today supports the validity of islam because you know as a it's it's shocking that in this

necroma is you know every cloud has a silver lining that this this triangular split of mainstream islam is the very thing that points to the validity of islam today because it would have been impossible for abdul malik who was from bani umayya to have not only shifted because they feel they argue that abdul malik and his son waleed are the ones who then walid chose makkah and invented this makkah story and this whole thing now it would have been impossible for them

to conjure up this story of the prophet muhammed the birth of islam get everybody to embrace islam and then convince the shia to hate them and convince the ibadis who hate them and change the point of hajj because the hajj would have according to this theory it would have taken place in petra according to this theory so to to do this and get everyone on board that that's preposterous and another very interesting point is you see according to these theories that

try to challenge islam they're known as islam revisionist theories they argued that initially that the quran was from the abbasid era that the quran emerges perhaps 150 to 200 years after the prophet now if that was the case first of all the birmingham folio has disproven that but secondly you see if the quran emerges after let's say after uh the xi'an the umayya omega split after the khawari split after the bani after the byzantine quashing them and

quashing the sassanids and quashing all of these it would you know with all this strife and schisms within islam the hawaris have emerged you know all these different it would have been impossible that the quran would not have had some of this sectarian discourse in it or the political discourse it would have definite because think about it if the quran was being invented in the time of or even it would have naturally reflected some discourse to be against the shia

or to be against the abbasids or the umayyads or to do you see what because the person inventing it naturally that's the flavor of the time there would be an ayah like or something or something or it would have said something it would exactly or something like that it would have shown like we would see signs of these schisms and the fact that the quran has none of these it strongly points to it predating the schisms yeah and i think that's a a very interesting point as well in addition to the triangulation that they could never have got all of these groups to agree

um and i think that's a miracle for us as muslims and for islam but speaking historically as as almost in a scientific way uh that has a different language we can't say use words like certainty um unless we have something very like here is i don't know here is you know this is a particular thing of the prophet or this is that we have as a fact so we i so i would still line with saying good enough evidence yeah well ahmad it's been epic

i i'm not sure if you remember you did reply did you see the the reface things i sent you the ai oh right how do they make these yeah there's an app there's there's two apps there yeah is are they okay yeah well okay you have to send me so yeah right i wanted to say one more thing will see that i i remember watching one of your videos that you said that you learned how to read devnet and uh that kind of like got me motivated and inshallah i'm starting to learn hebrew as well now okay yeah yeah that's there's a scholar

called abdul satar and he wrote a book called muhammad sallam in the torah and uh there's uh there's many verses and one of them is muhammadin and uh he argues about it it's a very interesting book uh if you can read it i think it's very good muhammad says i will yeah absolutely i think you know the more languages you can get under your belt go for it you will never regret it it will only be an asset um devanegari the the hindi script uh is something which i've i've learned and i need to practice it more i tell you what really helps with practicing this stuff

is to do things like follow meme pages and these kind of things on social media sites and to follow things with that language and so so sometimes like in devanagari you will get uh poetry people writing poetry but they write it in hindi and if you're learning hindi then it kind of helps you also having it on your phone exactly for predictive text and stuff like this helps but uh and and i suppose with devanagari it's um um it's very if you already know urdu it's basically you know the other it's another register

just for the same language i think for you learning hebrew would be very easy because i'm learning arabic but you you obviously flew in arabic i shouldn't i should learn hebrew then do you know what people are going to say yeah they're going to say israel [Laughter] they're just praises of god there's a there's a psalm it says

can you guess what that means that say my lord is no it's the same as arabic it's the same words oh the same word as in upon water or something exactly okay wow okay actually exactly the same wow okay adonai is usually their version of uh like ilahi or like yeah because they don't say um uh they don't say yahweh so that's they change it into adonai which is interesting because

as some have argued is from atonai you know it's very it's very interesting because in the bible it says that um i i will be who i will be but in the quran it just says yeah that's very interesting i'll tell you i'll tell you fascinating point on that before we go you know to show that the quran you see it's very interesting a subtlety to show that it is the like it appears to the prophet sallallahu alaihi in its essence and it when allah is quoting

things in the or revealing quotations they are not that they can be that kind of meaning if you like is this verse when allah says that say uh i am allah now in two different places it's slightly different which goes to show that allah couldn't have said both simultaneously even though it's a subtle difference but when he's saying it to musa salaam that so it just goes to show that this um the revelatory process but it's a that's an interesting

stuff like that like some quran will be very similar to madani quran the same word it's very interesting yeah well ahmad i'll leave you to it man thank you so much people that as i've mentioned is uh the young remedy our very own uk's own uh

right so and and i'm really impressed with ahmed honestly he brings hope um from the perspective that such a young person such a passionate keen interest in islam and its intellectual legacy not just we're not just talking about um you know i'm not just talking about just uh worshiping and doing things but actual a passion to learn and to absorb the entire legacy wow right who do we have here people fahim ali

alright people i can't see the other webcams let me alright for him ali assalamu alaikum welcome salaam afraid where are you joining us from for him uh the oh sit cop if you know what that is sit cup yeah sit cup what's this that's around uh bexley heath lexley heath london basically oh london london broth london

see us midlanders what would we know about lex lee heath and so alright for him man what's going on do you study is it your student or what yeah i'm i'm i'm a student yeah last year i think it was about veganism i think you remember right yes i do now look at that all right so how's it going how what would you like to share with us or what would you like to say fame um i wanted to ask about your thoughts on ig theism

if you've ever heard okay no no in enlightenment what's atheism it's the idea that since god is incoherent we can't really believe in him okay that um when we say god exists beyond space and time that doesn't really have that much meaning to us because we can't comprehend of anything that exists beyond space and time existence to us is space and time basically so

what does it mean to say that god exists beyond space and time right interesting i would agree that we can't comprehend um non-space and i mean we can somewhat assume to imagine no time but really what we're uh i suppose imagining i i i think we can maybe somewhat of an a temporal reality we can imagine um a timelessness because we've all at some point felt as though time is not moving even

though it is but we felt that but i agree we can we are incapable um of imagining spacelessness this and and it was immanuel kant that says that we you know we that we are trapped within space and time especially space and even if we try to picture space out there we picture it inside another space [Laughter] you know we're kind of uh just

um we're stuck with that one but that doesn't why would that negate um why do you feel that negates god because it's like or in this sorry not you but why do you feel that this argument argues to negate god just because of that principle because how can you believe in something that you don't really understand it's like uh it's like christians with the trinity kind of um with one and three and you can't really make sense of it so like that can't really be how god exists that's what i would say look at that see

fahim just went deep real deep you're doing it for him you see and the irony here is for him means the one of understanding right um okay because so let me get this right because um because we uh we can't grasp something you know you do and that you do and everyone like and subscribe people like and subscribe

um because we can't grasp something therefore it does not exist but that's not true i would say therefore it's um so truth has to have meaning to us right like if it doesn't have meaning then we can't say something is true so to say god exists is a meaningless claim essentially no but consciousness exists yeah sure how how do we know what how do we know consciousness exists oh you can ex we're experiencing it right now yeah but this could be but we don't know the um

veritability of what we're experiencing with there's an assumption like this could all be a dream this could all be an illusion this could all be that we all came into existence right now with pre-programmed memories of all this having happened just because i'm conscious or i could be assuming you're conscious but you could just be reacting how creatures react in a particular way so how do we know consciousness actually exists we don't know but and we don't even understand consciousness yeah we don't understand it yet but

i think we can understand it but just we haven't been able to understand it yet so but that defeats the very argument in saying will god because we can't understand him he doesn't have meaning in fact arguably god provides you know one of the most powerful meanings for most people across the globe most people uh across the globe i derive um incredible meaning and you know value to their lives because of god i think to say well of course we can't prove god exists

um and to say that because we can't envisage god i mean we can't even envisage dark matter or dark energy we we don't even you know we can't even understand these things within physics um i just because we can't envisage or or accurately conceptualize something because of its enigmatic characteristics does not mean that that doesn't exist or it has to be invalid it could just be that we don't have a good understanding

okay but if you say god exists exists is like an action right to exist it's it's a verb look at that like i delivered food to your house before you do when it said so when when god does things like if he creates something or if he does something else those are all actions that you do within time so how can he you know how can he do any actions but be outside of time you see

if something exists within a fourth dimension yeah as physicists have explained which most likely it does anything that we exist within a fourth dimension we would no matter where or how we are never be able to escape it it would be everywhere for us as in we couldn't because we only live in a three-dimensional world so

a two-dimensional world you see we by just placing my finger on on that world all that world would see is a circle yeah not even a circle sorry a line it would just see a in fact it would just see that as a like a kind of flat line almost because it doesn't have depth and it doesn't have um but we would it could not escape us no matter how how that world is similarly anything that exists within four dimension

in the fourth dimension we are we cannot escape it now even just looking at the theories that we have in physics today you know whether we're looking at m theory or the other theories we are explaining the dimensions of this universe to be any on average what what holds mathematically is there are 10 dimensions or 11 arguably now that doesn't even make sense to us like we can't even we can't even picture what that even means but it doesn't make it any less

real because the mathematics hold up so they show that this does what i'm saying is that look there are depths and complexities that people may not understand like let's let's let's dumb it down not for you but i'm just saying for the discourse you're incredibly just these questions reflect you know the depth of your uh intelligence let's say now you've got um hunter gatherers the kalahari bushmen

okay now you are trying to explain to them coding and software and you're trying to explain to them that everything is a one and a zero that right now this this live stream is just ones and zeros now that they would definitely laugh their heads off at you quite rightly so because in their world what you're saying in how they can understand it because come on let's be real even to you and me that sounds absurd to

a to a reasonable level it sounds you know the everything what we me seeing you right now it's just ones and zeros you know this doesn't make any sense but yet at a greater complexity to people to engineers and software engineers and people in tech it will make sense but they are para you know they are almost universes away from that understanding it doesn't make either one any less real because in their world as well that what they're saying kind of makes sense that what what do

you mean ones and zeros what the hell is once and zeros so they are also kind of right but these people are not wrong and this is just our world you know and yet we haven't even got to how the universe works and how is the universe a hologram is it a simulation um you know is it somebody sent me this uh video uh a documentary i'm gonna try and get him on a mind trap he's a producer and it's called um it's a youtube documentary called dunya a simulation odyssey and he was trying to

argue using islamic uh motifs like the local mafuth to be something from which the simulation is projected um that's what i understood so far i mean i'll have to you know properly go through it but uh so the the current theory is that this simulation uh the let's say let's say the universe be a simulation now and many physicists astrophysicists have argued that the mathematics do seem to show that it it seems to incline that way that it's some kind of a simulation it doesn't

make it any less real by the way it makes it very still just as much real for me you and i but if it be a simulation they feel that the 3d would come from something 2d and there's this these kind of theories now um he was arguing that the local mafuth is that kind of thing from which this whole um existence emanates or comes into existence but that's um i mean i'm just putting it out there as a theory as a whoa um what i'm trying to say is just because we don't understand something does not equate to

its absurdity even though its absurdity may resonate with a lot of people just as the kalahari bushmen explaining to them that all these things that just you know all this software and these different things that we're seeing are just based on ones and zeros is laughable and they would all get together and laugh at you and me and everyone but it doesn't make it any less real so yeah

did i just answer that so what's the um what's the diff so how's it different from someone using those same explanations to say well god could be three and one and we just don't understand it like i don't see how that's any different god could be three and one that's the trinity right okay um i don't know about the three and one in the sense that you see this is a reasoned claim isn't it if one was to argue that god could be everything

i think that would hold more reason uh with it as opposed to saying god is just this one god became this person just to get killed for because they see the thing about christianity that doesn't make any sense whatsoever is that the bedrock of christianity's redemption okay that jesus that god almighty he it's not you see it's not just the incon i suppose to them it's not incarnation it's a kind of um an association of

god is within jesus christ kind of dwelling now it's not that that is so philosophically twisted because many philosophies have held that you know the ancient greeks and other people and many people have had this understanding of god's dwelling amongst humans it's more so you see in christianity the the bedrock is redemption that jesus this whole action takes place so god may sacrifice himself and be tortured but then the question is watch it for what tortured for the sins of mankind

now you see now that sounds i mean that part is even somewhat understandable as in what i'm trying to say is if you romanticize it you can accept it as a as a story if it was to happen at the end you know like of a story like let's say here's a story all these people have done horrible things and you know as a this is a narrative this is a an archetype of sacrifice that the the lead character comes and sacrifices himself for the remaining people as often is the case in many stories the problem here

is god has already done this 2000 years ago and now what you know so so what is what was the what was the point of all of that so the point of it is so everybody's forgiven but what they've forgiven for every so let me get this right so hitler despite doing whatever he did he just had to say well i accept jesus christ and that's it he's forgiven it doesn't you see it's the incoherence of the entire narrative which it's built on this redemption it's not built on just god dwelling amongst humans it's why did

god dwell amongst humans in order to redeem himself redeem humans by killing himself or having himself killed which is the absurd claim so yeah but i'm i'm referring more to the idea that uh god is the son he's the father and the holy spirit but the father isn't the son the son is in the holy spirit and the holy spirit isn't the father like that doesn't make sense to us which is why we don't believe in it right or is it some other reason right true that that too but you're missing the point that when christians say this they say

this for a reason they don't just say it because it just sounds good they say it because god has to then redeem mankind by offering himself that's the reason he's born you know through mary as jesus it's to sacrifice himself at the altar at the altar for mankind so that is it is the the the absolute absurdity of that in addition to yes you see if you say well

does god delve into creation now it does it's from a philosophical perspective we would argue against it christians would argue for it uh we would have obviously argued that god um you know to to render himself incapable and subject to human flaws and frailties and uh and just the the the workings of creation is irrational to us because god is you know the greatest that there ever is and in all his majesty why

how why and how would he do that to us it doesn't make any sense but to christians and to other people they may argue that that is not the greatest problem they may say well god you know what what's the problem if he did um so i i think if you're asking is it absurd yes from our perspective we would argue it's absurd could somebody argue on the other side i think they could using philosophy argue from the other perspective as well i don't think it's a stronger argument but i think they could still argue it that well no god you know he just he just did he just did you know it's just like

well he did and what he knows well i guess okay you know it's it's an argument it's not i'm not saying it's it makes it convincing but it is an argument so would you not say that existence beyond space and time is absurd existence yeah beyond space and time is absurd no why so how do you define existence

you see obviously if you say existence beyond space and time is absurd right this question would come down to because any known example i can only give would be rationally within space and time because that's the only known objects that we have however i did mention to you consciousness within space and time isn't it how do you know that we're experiencing it your experience no just because

you're experiencing something does not mean that that is it's caught within this dimension how do you know you're not just the same thing just because you're experiencing that finger it does not mean that what's at the back of that is part of this world so like how would you how would you definitively state that consciousness is within this dimension or within just because we experience it but we could be experiencing it from our perspective if it's a hyperstructure then we wouldn't know it's hyper metal reality we would only

know the reality that we brush against but it would be in some dimension right but i mean we don't know we don't know anything right now we don't even know where to begin with consciousness so we can't start anything about it because where is it how is it what is it is it out there is it in here is it in the quantum realm is it something else is it we just don't know that physicists don't even know where to begin with it so it's but just because we have some experience of it does not

mean that it is within our realm but it's in some realm or our experience of it could be within that realm so let's say so for example uh if we're catching a mirror of something we just because we're catching the mirror image of something doesn't mean it's in the mirror or it's in where we are witnessing it me seeing you right here in front of me you're obviously not in front of me but i'm somewhere that's an assumption you could be just ai artificially

generated right no but i mean you you there would be no i you this whole thing could just be an artificial kind of generation so but what i'm saying the ai would still be somewhere right okay the ai but that's not you though yeah but then i either i exist or i don't write right of course if i'm i if i exist i would be somewhere you see the problem is that you uh you see the problem is when you're saying exist you're you're characterizing existence

by only things which are known in existence well now by that very definition it is by that very definition it is trapped no because philosophically there it is a valid philosophical question that could entities exist outside of this universe outside of space and time this is a valid question philosophically speaking but when you say outside that's an uh you know that's a description of space like you exist true because language is restrictive and reactive so for me to get use an example i have to use words

that are reductive so that's just that's that's unfortunately the frailty of language but you get what i'm trying to say when i say outside of now you say now i understand that you're saying well outside within language means it's a space narrative that is true however we are using this in a philosophical thought experiment in saying that could something exist outside of space and time as in independent of if i was to use that word now philosophically speaking why not just because we can't envisage it doesn't

it doesn't it doesn't make it so but what what is it what does it mean to say that then to what is it what does dark matter mean you could look it up no but this is what i mean you see just because we don't understand something it doesn't make it any less reasonable to be so it's not necessarily about whether we understand it right now it's about whether it's understandable at all in general sure but then is that not the very nature of

uh let's take quantum physics the unpredictability of quantum physics is an inherent aspect of its reality it's not that we don't have the knowledge it is the actual entity the the unpredictability of its reality like how it operates there is an inherent element of unpredictability in it that's not a lack of understanding that is our total understanding of it so you see which completely breaks our understanding of general logic that can something be in one place and another place simultaneously

can it yeah exactly that's bizarre and absurd isn't it but it's true just because we now know it to be but had have you asked this question 100 years ago it would have been absurd existence as you mentioned is space time uh restrictive so to exist for this phone to exist it exists in this geocentric space now in in the quantum world it doesn't behave like that one thing can exist simultaneously at two different places at the very same time they're still both

in space and time though no simultaneously which is an absurdity it's an absurdity but it's still which is inconceived can you even conceive that what them both being at the same time simultaneously in the same time yeah i can think of it but it's inconceivable for within our world within i don't mean look obviously as a photograph you can picture like in a movie i can picture here's the same picture here and here but as far as the real world is concerned this cannot exist simultaneously one you cannot be in the exact same moment in two

different places you the very same you experiencing two different places simultaneously it just cannot happen yet in the quantum world it does happen all the time so your very notion of existence is defined because existence according to your definition is tied down into space-time it's restricted yeah but you can exist in you can still no but not not in that very space time you see space time being one in that very space time you cannot exist in multiple

let's say this let's say this is a checkered board and this is a1 b1 c1 now for you to exist you have to exist in one of these existence cannot happen multiply in different ones simultaneously because space-time is bound you understand it does not that's not how physics works i know quantum physics works like that but not physics in the world as we know it or philosophically know it so the very definition when you're saying existence

has been defied by modern science i would i would say existence is space-time but i've just explained that that's defined so okay so time okay so okay okay let's take that then so time how do you know time exists well time is a part of existence i would say how do you know that that's that's how i'm defining it no but how how would you know because you see for time to exist you could say i'm experiencing it

but does time actually exist yeah but what do you mean by exist you tell me you you're saying you're saying time exists i'm saying time is a part of existence so it exists well you don't say do you say existence exists so so wait a minute so does time exist or no it's a simple question i i think it's uh it doesn't really make sense to the question it does it makes absolute sense i can ask anyone does time exist yeah but it's a very rational question if you define it

in the way that i am okay does space exist well again i would just say space and time are existence so time does exist so but if by asking does time or space exist it's the same as asking does existence no no because space no no it isn't it isn't at all it isn't at all because existence is a descriptive factor okay to describe an entity now time this is what i'm saying does time actually exist you can't actually prove time exists how would you prove time exists how do you prove anything no

that doesn't make any well you could weigh things by weighing them you could size them by checking out scales and measurements i mean there's many ways to prove things i'm asking time when you say as an actual entity as an actual and because is time simply the measurement of motion is it the measurement of mass moving is it what from a physics perspective i know i i've used space-time by uh stated by einstein but now with quantum physics and quantum gravity and all these questions that have arisen uh this has been problematized hasn't it so now the understanding is well time

most likely does not exist and even though einstein himself did argue that from some perspective saying the past present and future are just an illusion albeit a persistent one as einstein said now you see does time exist the only law within physics to argue against that second law of thermodynamics entropy is perhaps the only law in physics that shows somewhat of an inclination called at times times arrow but even that has been argued against that does it actually show time you see just because you're perceiving something

doesn't make it real it just makes it subjectively real and there's an inter subjectivity we know that time slows down the closer you are towards some gravitational thing we know time is relative you know time is rolled so for it to be relative it could not have an objective existence you understand because it's a subjective reality we're just experiencing it it doesn't make it objectively like the nominal realm and the phenomenal realm it doesn't make it necessarily there

in existence so as to speak i think that but you see to sum this up this the questions are good questions but you realize that they actually you see once you start to unpack them you realize they kind of set up in a particular way so when people say oh does this exist what the does god exist and by existence i mean show me something like i can pick up this glass then obviously you can't do that and then when they move on to no but god has to exist beyond time and space

but then does time exist does consciousness exist does uh so these questions and then even the very logics by which they're basing these things on let's say we're basing it on logic that something must exist within time and space but that same logic that defines that teaches you that something can only preoccupy one time and space at any given time and space but yet quantum physics defies that so what we're seeing today we are truly in a socratic age where you see we are coming to know that we that what we actually that we

actually don't know a lot of things uh but i i do i admire the question for him it's epic this time this ungodly hour right so it's been i have uh i haven't i have a quantum physics exam in a few weeks no way yeah you're doing it you're doing it salute you yeah absolutely that's it man take care best of luck with the with the exam and the best thing is don't even turn up just say uh i was somewhere else like that [Laughter]

right man take care much love you know the the famous thing with um what was it with uh was it with quantum physics or was it with i'm pretty sure was it was it feynman and but there's the um or was it just generally physics with the the the famous discussion where he gave out the same exam papers and he was asked that these are his they said but these are the same questions as last year he said i know but the answers have changed

that's quantum physics in a nutshell take care man for him much thoroughly deep and interesting conversation wow people are really on it man right so what is going on people lucy wine jones assalamu alaikum lucy

can you hear me i can indeed where are you joining us from lucy i'm joining from hampshire hampshire all right the uk it do we need quite a few people from the uk today all right i guess i'm a bit of a vampire this ramadan spain all right so talk to us lucy share your thoughts or is there a question oh i i know like um i know like i've got quite an interesting story to share like yeah sure i know like yeah i'm just trying to dig up my

books and stuff um i'm trying to find a book yeah i might need to go on a bookshop back there or i can quote on the top of my head but i've been doing some research into some irish genealogies and stuff okay i wish yeah and i know like i know like according to the gaelic texts the the irish high kings of old or gaelic kai kings of odds that you can use the term gaelic irish honestly they they descended from the believer from the family of pharaoh

okay okay i don't know that yeah i know like hi i know like i yeah and and yeah i've been doing research into and stuff and i know that in order to prove true and stuff it would require a dna test on ancient egyptian pharaohs haven't they done some recently with the um you know as they dug up because there was the whole new dig uh at um [Music] you know with uh uh at the at the site of us sakara sakara

and i thought they'd done quite a few uh sample testing from the i'm not that's what i i've watched a bit of yeah well i know like the i know like it would specifically require the ancient egyptian pharaohs like just random members of the egyptian public may not be may not be the right kind of sample we're looking for because it would require because the believer from the family pharaoh addresses the addresses pharaoh and his people as yeah call me you may have power in this world but what power do you have should allah's punishment come to us okay and the word yeah call me to quote

shake hands yusuf means her group of people with a common patch or lineage yeah um is it so okay is this an area of uh general research and interest that you're i'm not the one yeah personal interest and also i know that when i've when i've yeah and i know that there could be implications to this research because i am i am hoping that if if it's proven true that the irish high kings of old have a common

patrilineage with ancient egyptian pharaohs the i'm hoping that it could mean that it would mean that the irish essentially have followers of musal and hislam who are who are um who oh sorry in my brain yeah question is welsh derived from gaelic no um they're related languages but they're not they're not derived from each other and the welsh and all the welsh aristocracy and the gaelic aristocracy are two separate groups so the people from the believer of the family of pharaoh were were different than the welsh royals of old but there are there have been found

i know that the particular haplogroup or male y chromosome or common patrilineage group rm222 is the y chromosome of the irish vikings and this has been detected because they practice serial polygamy um okay it's it's what's the haplogroup are so it doesn't break off from the the r1 and it's one of it's it's not one of the best it's an r1b haplogroup okay so which is indo-european in essence oh i know that

tutankhamun his dna was tested and his haplogroup is r1b okay that's odd isn't that indo-european okay yeah according to the gaelic text that said that before they were in egypt they were in scythia which would have been the countries of kazakhstan to to uzbekistan area and they migrated probably because like horses came from that part of the world central asia they probably migrated through horses down there they who who are we speaking about oh this is

the scission ancestors of the ancient egyptian paris and the believer from the family pharaoh oh do you feel the pharaohs were in essence um from like the these russian steps and the the central asian steps and and they are the the lineage is descending from from them i know like the r1b haplogroup originates from kazakhstan area yeah the r1 yeah that is the indo-european but the pharaohs were no what did did it come out as r1 seriously

well they were probably i know like the i know like it says in the gaelic text that they met with the the native egyptians so there were egypt was probably a diverse place even yeah in in ancient times before the israelites migrated to egypt and i know that the r1b happy group it's it i i know that even though you may think that gaelic people are indo-european and stuff the gaelic grammar and also welsh grammar my surname is the welsh surname their grammar is similar to arabic

and hebrew is it yeah i think that i yeah yeah so i i've yeah there's probably a lot of areas to research into and the welsh word for i e is uh is the same as it is in arabic so the genitive for i okay so there's a lot of the the inflection uh impact the effect on accusative genitive and stuff like that on words yeah like for for example in arabic in english we say good morning in well shitsboro

the boro means morning and the and the da means good so when we describe something like that means monkey good but but it literally means good monkey good that's uh that's quite interesting okay that's uh hmm because i i am very uh interested in how the whole just from a linguistic perspective how from a language and also from an anthropological perspective but

especially languages and how they kind of disseminated coming from an origin um because it kind of shows almost how migration spread out and or maybe not maybe people picked up languages because that's a another point i suppose when you're looking at um let's say central asia being the origin of these people spoke let's say pi proto-indo-european and then they spread out or whether they come down and influence the pastoralists of i don't know the iran kind of region the aryans and and they

go off that way further east towards india and some go west and it's just fascinating because when you look at how uh there's a great book on it that the wheel the horse and um i'm not sure have you come across it i i get what you're talking about because the it was the india europeans who invented the wheel yeah and that's where that's where it originates that's where it originates from and there's i know that there's that's it it's called the horse the wheel and language by david anthony so it's something i went through languages like sanskrit and

urdu and hindi and persian and english and latin of which you get the descendants of latin french german and spanish no not french german uh sorry french and spanish yes sorry my my brain no i mean it's fascinating because i suppose it's more you see through genetics now we can see how the diaspora of of these haplogroups and genes how they kind of spread out which is just so fascinating mapping that um but through language it's very difficult because you know we can't really tell what happened when we just have to guess

yeah i know like with i know like arabic in hebrew and berber they belong to the an acadian and ancient egyptian they belong to the afro-asiatic family of which semitic arabic and hebrew is a branch yeah yeah it is um the so that would be the whole semitic i mean so you wouldn't put um hmm i'm surprised that uh how accurate is this tutankhamun's genetic reading is it is it very accurate or because i'm really surprised too i read it off of a website at a well off a few websites so off a few sources and

of a dna company but i don't know i know like yeah i know like besides that i know like that's just one result but i know that it doesn't match up with the rrm222 haplogroup i'm just reading it here it's saying that in one result saying that the haplogroup r1 b1 um but hmm but it's saying that this is below one percent in modern day egyptians is that i know like modern i know like people reckon that's because uh egypt

has had a lot of migrations over the time like there's been i i've got a book about ancient egypt somewhere just looking around but i've read a book about each of egypt here it is this is quite a famous book for anybody involved with ancient egypt and stuff but egypt's been occupied and colonized and well not colonized but look there's been loads of mass migrations of people from different ethnic groups coming into egypt over the period of time hmm so there's been there's been black africans greeks romans

and yeah persians there libyans there's been all sorts of group ethnic groups and stuff migrating to egypt so this is this is the specific book the rise and fall of ancient egypt home toby wilkinson okay let me just write okay hmm fascinating so that it that's that's the explanation as to why it's only like made up one percent of the modern day egyptian population and also the i know like i know like the new there were nubian pharaohs of ancient egypt who came across

the north sudan area they were forcefully converted at one point to the ancient egyptian religion and then they then they event they eventually ended up taking over egypt and becoming the pharaohs of egypt so i know like the uh the haploid group of tutankhamun and possibly around the season second not that that's been disclosed to the public what his haploid group is they're happy the haplogroup's too common and ramesses the third who was the pharaoh of another dynasty ramesses the third is an e e y e y chromosome or hyper group you see what what is the e y no not e y

e is something a member of the e hat group i don't remember the full full detail of the y chroma of his ramesses the third y chromosome but i know that as it's wracking that ramesses second is the fear of the exodus we don't know precisely well i don't know precisely who who exactly could be fair of the exodus but if it's proven that ramesses ii and maybe a few other pharaohs of that dynasty and i and the irish hikings of old have a common potential ancestor that

i'm i'm thinking it probably could have political implications because it i know like interestingly enough if well the reasons it could have political implications are because the if if it's proven true that the irish have an ancestor who believed in musa al-islam at the time of musa moses peace be upon him it would it would mean that they essentially have atypical jewish ancestry and i watched a video by a jewish rabbi his name's mannis friedman and he he said that when the the bible says that there were

there were ancient egyptians that left with the israelites okay yeah i'm just springing up my notes and as i haven't memorized these bible verses off the top of my head so it is very i'm i am very intrigued with the whole um especially i mean egyptology especially the the pharaonic uh kind of phase and especially the origin the kingdoms the the whole thing um i find it incredibly fascinating i have kind of inclined towards the understanding that perhaps um akhenaten may have been

moses um that there's that that view so um that kind of adds a lot more spice into it um and there's there's also an understanding that a view a theory that puts a lot of the chronological order on its head but that assumes that ammon hotep was solid suleiman um and and that really i i tell you what i've got two videos uh on youtube when you get a chance have you ever watched those okay yeah you have okay because uh it shows some uh

it shows that theory i do find it quite interesting yeah and so the rabbi specifically said that it was the ancient egyptian he said that the i know like this is israelites and muslims take israelites with the pinch of salt or they're just viewed as any other historical record and yeah they he said that the ancient it was the ancient egyptian magicians that had converted to musa islam's religion they fled with the children of israel but then he says that the rabbi says that oh the the magicians they got involved with the golden calf worshipped whereas that is that is debunked in in the quran

where musa islam addresses the children of israel for worshiping the golden calf yeah i mean in the uh i suppose the biblical version is uh it's haroon uh ali salam doing it in in in the in the jewish bible isn't it obviously the quran refutes that and mentions this whoever the summary is but not harun but the the jewish bible see states that it's harun who kind of aaron who gets into and sets up the golden calf and stuff

but the golden calf i mean you see the theories or the the i don't know the histories associated with moses um are that according to some narrations i mean the popular version is what we have generally that he takes the israelites and goes off um but other versions there's versions that he sets up a kingdom in egypt and rules there for a while there's a version that he heads down to um i suppose modern-day ethiopia or those kind of regions there's there's different versions of what happens to moses when this kind of um clash or

something whatever it is takes place in history obviously not all as popular as each other but it is uh it's it's definitely very fascinating i find it very it was is it it so it's your interest is mainly folk focused and focalized on uh the egyptian link to the gaelic to show a historicity of maybe the israelites who left alongside moses yeah and also i know like the i know like i know like the i know like the term in hebrew is i'm reading it from from my phone at the moment is

meaning and the foreigners so it would be gareth so that which would refer to the ancient egyptian jews and there is instances in the in the bible like in the in the in what what we what the jews called the torah of like bithya who she said was the daughter of pharaoh married caleb who was the ancestor of the davidic kings

okay and they also and also there's an instance in leviticus i believe it's 20 leviticus 24 whereby there's a blasphemer who has an egyptian dad but an israelite mum and they get punished under the law and are considered are considered under the law as in under the torah and they get punished for committing an offence so that that is evidence right there of them having jewish ancestry or stuff or being considered jews in the sense that they accepted the covenant and stuff but

the jewish sources say that oh um oh the the their ancest their egyptian ancestor was not didn't follow musa islam's religion but i i would dispute that but i i believe that there are there is evidence from the bible my my claim and the gaelic texts also do talk of the um the ancestor of the gaelic people it had his his son the believer from the family of pharaoh's son received a snake fight while while he was out out at mount sinai area with the israelites

and okay and he brings he brings the child to musa islam and muslim says that he will live in a land which is which is not occupied by snakes and i know that that's commonly interpreted to mean ireland because it's it's believed that islands is has no snakes but i i believe in that it could be it could have just been a prophecy that they would go with the children of israel does does island not have anything i don't know i've never i've never been to terrified or falsified i was just thinking that's quite an intriguing claim

that island has no snakes but i i also like maybe my understanding of that was that was prophecy that they would that the descendants of the believer from the family of pharaoh would go to palestine and reclaim masjid al-aqsa to the mini with the bani israeli and and that me and because i know like the i know like the quotes are we about to declare a full blown out jihad and a reconquista

i i know like that if the dna test comes back positive that not for coronavirus but for but for the irish being the descendants of this ancient egyptian jew i am hoping it does have positive political outcomes and the reason i'm trying to the reason i would say mufti that the my interpretation of the story about the the descendants of the family pharaoh being promised to reclaim australoxa and stuff is because the met the word snake was a metaphor for disbeliever and stuff and also and also interestingly enough in in ancient irish texts i've been looking

at they refer to non-christians as gentiles gentilly and i've been reading about celtic christianity and they also did observe kosher practices and believed in the one in taoheed and not the trinity well there you have it people right here lucy has has connected the dots so yeah so and i am hoping that i yeah i am i know like i know like i've told this story to both the jewish and muslim audience and jews sometimes get more excited than muslims when i tell them the story of the believer from the family affair for some reason and

i'm i could tell like as there were both jews and palestinians there i could tell that they both communities quite like to hear the story and i could tell oh it looks like they would accept irish arbitration of the israel-palestine conflict and i think israel i mean ireland is a very seen very friendly to and and very supportive to the palestinian cause generally uh and but one could argue that's because they simultaneously have gone through a struggle uh against let's say whether it's you know britain or other forces and therefore they've kind of

they see that a friend in in another victim but yeah but lucy that's been very interesting shukran for sharing that you've got another story you've got more family sarah yeah more there's more dots to connect i thought yeah said that the believer from the family of pharaoh was the treasurer of the ancient egyptians at the time and and i know like the um the israeli art says or the irish text said that says that he helped the children of israel escape egypt by providing them with wheat and

grey with wheat and um great no i mean no definitely you know uh lucy we'll just bring on one two other quick people just before the sahur uh time frame but yeah just with this research i dearly appreciate all that uh information and research that's it just keep keep shaking the foundations of known anthropology and history yeah and and inshallah we'll and inshallah we'll be able to

if this dna test proves true then yeah you never know take very good care of yourself lucy's okay all right people there you go uh we've got new histories being made fry so lucy shaking up the foundations of known anthropological history people right there uh we've got yasser alfred we are i know people are probably thinking yeah we've got to do as well

all right where are you joining us from this is the one people you see look all this today so many of of the blessed brits are awake allahu akbar talk to us your thoughts or what would you like to say uh no two comments one is that i've been watching a number of videos

talk to us what's the what's the what's the injustice injustice the two topics is you were mentioning about psychedelics and uh on spirituality i think you think i left you think i left some psychedelics out whilst mentioning it and obviously i can't contend with that that's your experience in regards to spirituality i think you've kind of put

people up from being able to experience those very things it's not outside of the realm of organic islamic practice to arrive at those experiences at all it's very straightforward the only issue is people don't know but can i can i can i ask yes sir uh obviously okay let's let's not ask let's not ask but let's say is your research based on uh experiences of the psychedelic realm no you see my contention is not with

what you're saying about the psychedelics my contention is what you're alleging about the spiritual accessibility from traditional islamic practices they're two different points do you feel that do you feel i uh say that there is no reality to spirituality without psychedelics no no no let's be very specific here what i'm saying is with your experience of psychedelic say for example and being in union and those type of experiences that people who have near-death experiences experience and all these things what i'm arguing my contention is

that it's very it comes across as dismissive within your discourses that those are not accessible within the organic practice of that's not true because what you're doing is what you're saying is what you're actually what you've just said now i'm going to quote your word there they are not that is subjective yeah that is subjective do you want me to move this out oh no please that is subjective specific to your experience yes oh no that's not that that's what i'm saying is within the day-to-day practice of islam with guided assistance

yeah with guided assistance with our psychedelic alhamdulillah alhamdulillah and i i say this obviously i'm going to be on this is not something that you know i didn't really want to come on live i'll be i'll be very honest with you it's not what i'm doing this just for the sake of justice to the topic is very very very straightforward to arrive at those experiences in an organic manner without sacrilege that the people yeah

people have gone through the books and they're trying to study a matter which is experiential the prophet sallam is the master of the prophets master of existence and the master of the teachings the in their small narrations people dismiss you know there's a darkness created in the heart you know it's nothing so even though i'm very for these the leaning teachings so that the you know right okay yeah just one moment right allow me to because i i heard your piece here so just to be clear just to be clear i have always affirmed that spirituality if we want to call it spirituality let's

say uh is a thing i've affirmed that always so i'm just going to lay out my cards here i've also affirmed that meditation or these things or mindfulness or zika or maracaba or whatever you want to call it is a thing and lifelong practices do lead to a um the state of mind i i've affirmed that always however i have mentioned that psychedelic experiences are like a one they are like a

shortcut portal two the qualitative immersion that one experiences is unparalleled you can't just experience that through breathing exercises or meditation and this isn't just subjectively speaking scientific so you can see you can just google the brain fmri scans ct scans different scans whilst people are on psychedelics and whilst people are meditating you'll actually find it uh they're not it does not it's not the same that there's actual new neural networks that are being made when people are on certain psychedelics so it's not

qualitatively the same but it can mimic it so there's certain research done in europe after psychedelics were prohibited uh some of the researchers shifted to breathing and meditation exercises and similar to what a lot of the sufis do the chanting you know all this kind of breathing that this is they arouse a similar psychic state now i'm not denying either i'm not saying that nope i'm not saying there is no spirituality without psychedelic i'm not i've never said that uh i'm not denying any any spirituality and i'm not saying everybody needs to do psychedelics or

things like that either um is that what you i i'm just laying out all the cards here because i think you might have misunderstood maybe what i'm saying i'm open if you're the author of your own verse i can't contend with what you're saying what is the exact problem like tell me the exact problem from all of what you said uh and you know in order and in that fashion i can't disagree the only one point which is you're saying that the experiences for example you mentioned in exercises within for example etc okay now you're saying that the the other issues no contentions how you presented them today okay

say for example if you take a one-off psychedelic right this is the point where i'm gonna take you up on so you take a one-off experience of psychedelic and you have this mind-blowing experience and you're saying that this does not compare to per se any kind of meditative practice and you say there's evidence for it okay let's say i agree trigger that you can have an access take a one-off life experience taking a one-off psychedelic and it cannot be compared to a a typical routine meditative practice but i did state that a long developed practice of meditation over years

can mimic those those uh psychic states it can mimic it but it doesn't entirely produce it but it can mimic it i'm going to lay the cards out for a person who has had him an opening okay so for a person who has had and i had a spiritual opening after after they say from years of practice or whatever he saw he has an opening his state is at the same level if not more than the person who's had the secular that's point one okay however that's not an end again that's not an end goal for us i'm sorry i didn't understand that say that again who had an opening he's had a cognitive spiritual opening a spiritual opening okay soon inside an opening

right here's his natural state yeah is deeper than the one who has a psychedelic experience yeah of course yes sure sure but we're not now i'm not gonna advocate i'm not gonna advocate that because that's not the purpose of our our worship or our lives please let me just finish so i don't disagree with what you've said i don't disagree with them for the the the thing is if you compare the two so you can you've got an option to have an experience with the psychedelic and i'm not knocking psychedelics by the way i'm not i'm saying that's not my issue i'm not moving i'll leave you to that so if we agree on

everything you said before and the fact that the person who has a spiritual opening through traditional practices are through the routine method for example his his experiences then sustain throughout his life he doesn't need to rely on any tertiary that he's in that state that he's in that reality okay so that's one thing the other the other thing is the understandings that accrue over time with the practices are more deeper than the person who has a psychedelic one of experiences because a person has a psychedelic experience he has that uh what you call it an experience of euphoria one and two of union tiger this is for people with other

psychological they will understand what i'm talking about so they have expensive union but how to understand the metaphysics of cause and effect in the spiritual world or deeper how to deal with emotive issues of how to understand life those are things that accrue on the in the organic manner you're not just going to get them let me just allow me to to add something look right we're not actually disagreeing on anything here this is why i was asking what is the actual uh problem you see these are two different realms they're different worlds the people today who experience psychedelics

often are not religious people like people of organized religion or institutionalized religion institutionalized religion has mostly banned psychedelics so they're not the same worlds institutionalized religions i don't mean like the shamans and people of other faiths right so yes of course so today psychedelics are popular amongst what kind of people either recreationally for fun or either in some shamanic practices or either in people seeking consciousness and you know new age enlightenment

so these these people are not people of akida and people of to so wolf and people of religious spirituality so they're not going to go down that road because they're not people from that background so i've argued that people in the past like ibn arabi like rumi jalaluddin rumi were on psychedelics that's my argument obviously i've got a detailed video highlighting the evidences for that but you see this is why they saw these things that they saw and described them and this is why it didn't make sense to people because people who ain't on them it wouldn't make sense to them so to to

summarize this i clearly agree clearly that if you are a person of a practice of an order of a you know of a religion and you let's say now as a muslim you worship allah you pray nafal you do all these things you do all this taskia you do zika your understanding of islam is gonna only be more spiritualized as you keep going along this road you know as you do more thicker more kind of meditation more things somebody who goes on mushrooms or takes dmt or drinks ayahuasca is not going to come

out as some kind of uh only allah you know like he's not going to come out doing zika and praying to hajj because he was not on this path to begin with i had only argued that there should be a merging of these paths that people should that they that they can help each other that there's an inter kind of locking that could take them further that's all i had argued i'm not saying you become more muttaqi by going on these things obviously you don't in that sense in the sp in the religious sense you know you're not gonna so i agree with you you know doing people doing zika or parts of the subwoofers or things like this

you know carry on i mean i've never spoken against that in saying that that's not going to lead you to a heightened uh religiosity it is okay uh i i think the point about ibn arabi is a bit unfair and just an open invitation there's uh the i i i you know i don't know how to contact you uh on a personal level but instagram instagram is a good one i don't really use that for a personal uh you know book yeah

and you know their experience you thought they didn't sacrifice i just i'm gonna give you an open invitation i'll give you an invitation to a place within three days you can take yourself and any 20 30 people okay there's an open challenge here anyone whether it's online uh whether they're online whether they're offline in person or person so if you want to get that 50 people we'll do we can have an experiment right and i'll i'll we'll arrange it right and we'll i'll tell you within three days these people have an experience that they haven't had in their life right the the spiritual magnification of their experience whatever they've had in their life right they'll never have it just okay just move things up just to prove the point that these

uh that shaykh this is not about sakai i know you i unlike other people i'm not gonna slay you alhamdulillah i know you've got the sincerest of intentions and you've got no halal in your kind of uh you know intentions or you translate this i'm just assuring you that these things and i'm not saying this is just look i'm just putting stuff out there obviously i am an advocate of these things uh but i i'm just putting it i'm not saying people need to be taking this route you know a quick a quick point with what you're saying yasir you see it's it's actually very interesting you know let's say this what is it a two night challenge three night challenge whatever whatever this trip is

yeah three nights here the the practices that will happen in this place right i bet you will include things like certain breathing rhythms certain chanting certain now it's interesting that none of these things have actually been taught in the quran sunnah that these are just practices that ulama or people of the subwoof developed along the way where did they develop them from they just developed them from meditative practices you know like even the whirling dervishes or even the zika like this and that this isn't actually in the quran but this is just

practices people manage to kind of induce a hypnotic trance by doing this and breathing and saying certain chants and they've passed it on it's not actually very different to what i've said or what i've kind of encouraged as well because the point i was making that these people had it all organically and what you're saying about their practice is that these weren't transferred by the prophet sallallahu islam and it hasn't it has an authentic son i'm actually a very big advocate of

sunnah as it was received okay so it was something to be against the letter of the law and something to be against the spirit of the law and i'm this is all transferred none of this anyone who has any type of ism they cannot transfer any level of spirituality and that's that isn't is going back to the prophet saws it's not really nearly experienced and that was my contention about if not i'd be none of that kind of thing was oh i'm going to try to get this it doesn't work like that that's your academic where you kind of that's your conclusion have you watched my have you watched my research on that you see the way to understand this is obviously this research is being done through objective thought like we are

looking at something like detectives and trying to figure out what happened like you come in a room some things are scattered windows broken now you don't know what's happened but you're you're guessing you're looking at the evidence now what you do is you look at what these people wrote okay the kind of things that they describe themselves as seeing and witnessing like rumi describing his drink the harmala seed that he often speaks about is a mao inhibitor did you know that right so the harmalah that he has that he says that i filled my glass to the rim with harmalah is a mao inhibitor that gets activated

that activates the dmt if you consume it and his name his flute which i show the the common kind of bamboo that was used contains not only dmt but 5meodmt now even if traces by constantly let's say with you know in his lips were to kind of be ingested with the mao inhibitor of the harmala seed it would activate small levels of what is microdosing now they wouldn't know what they wouldn't know what they were doing they wouldn't think oh by the way this is something which oh look i've got a dmt thing here and this harmlessy that i'm having

is a mao inhibitor they wouldn't know that but this was just a practice that they would they would think it's the gathering that's inducing this uh you know these hallucinations so look but i've got a whole detailed video i'm not knocking i think the problem with people of organ institutionalized religion is they feel that if we argue that psychedelics may have induced these states that their institutions of religion start to lose value and i think that's not true i think they've misvalued uh because really dean offers something which is incomparable

but just because people may have aided their experiences using the world around them and it's like you use coffee to stay awake you understand it's not it's a stimulant but it's from the world around you so are these things i mean they're natural things found in nature but yeah inshallah yeah all the viewers for taking that much time i wasn't expecting it

i'm not disagreeing with you you know what you're saying about your uh the organized religion essie barton i just felt that someone said from watching uh watching it i'm not i don't feel that psychedelics are afraid oh this is different i just feel that the way one of your ransoms came across on one occasion it kind of other people would think no i totally agree and just to be clear for people i've never ever said and and you can you can find any clip of mine i've never said that um that that religion

or its spirituality that it offers is something useless or something that cannot be found or cannot be met or cannot have never made these claims in fact i've encouraged it and i've even said look i'm not the best person to go to for religious spirituality we have to come to your uh three-day camp inshallah in oldham all right so it's it's been epic yeah i'll quickly get one two three times you take care man and reach out to me if you're on insta or anything okay

this is something i can send you yeah it's uh yeah it's at gmail.com take care of yourself a very interesting discussion i know it is getting uh late for people as well uh let's get on you know what i've had a waste a waste you're doing it you're doing it

where are you joining us from i'm from toronto toronto yes yeah it looks like you're sitting right there chilling out in nature in some amazon i know amazon forest about to take some dmt right there what is going on so i was actually listening to your discussion with this other brother um you know i it reminded me of uh religion being the opium of the masses and i was like okay do we need more of that

you see i think more of it yeah because i i feel that the the issue is that you see organized religion institutionalized religion it feels that it has a lock on people because there's a need you know this opium of the masses and they feel that spirituality is their domain and it's their monopoly almost and now in this new age rediscovery of these kind of what are called entheogens you know these kind of products that you can consume and they connect you with god

religions feel that oh my god you know is this our territory slipping away from us and so they you know how it doesn't matter what faith people like they clamp down on it and no and i just feel that look both have their value you know of religion religious spiritual meditative practices are lifelong practices you know they're not something which uh and they give you a whole narrative you know god is watching you god is blessing you i mean you're not gonna get that just by eating a mushroom you know you're not going to just think oh god this is a narrative it's a psychosocial

narrative that's it's it's driving you along in like making you a better person right but yeah sorry to start to entertain you but um how about the uh amali shaitaan that you know um all the muhammad all the intoxicants and the musa and everything in the quran you know it's uh it said that uh yeah so how do you justify that but we say this is the goodreads [Laughter] i'm joking i'm joking [Laughter]

rich means like filth in arabic in arabic right so [Laughter] for a moment i almost sold it people now yeah this is this is the good ridge that's the other one no so um i do explain uh in my kind of video on this psychedelics it's on youtube i do explain that there's nothing in islam that clearly prohibits psychoactive substances so you see they are not

an intoxicant in the sense of like they are not alcohol now one could say well okay they're not alcohol but they have an impact on your brain and that is true they are psychoactive but you see but at what point does one draw the line so like coffee is a stimulant it's you know it has a an impact on the brain in you know in what it does so people could say well okay hallucinogens uh haram but then the question is where do you get that from that hallucinogens are haram because you

would need a nas from the quran because alcohol is not a hallucinogen it is a depressant and even though it does it makes a person you know be completely obviously you lose uh you become completely incoherent and you you lose your sense of or your control over the senses it is not the same with psychoactive substances now one could say they interfere so i accept that they interfere but then in saying well coffee interferes and you could say well that makes it more positive well

well one would say well these are not you know i know some people can use them recreationally but these things are entheogens they connect one to god and make one's life more positive i mean now recent studies show uh psilocybin is as powerful as any drug in curing depression now how do you how do you respond to a lot of salat [Laughter]

and i respect what you're doing and what you're saying much much love from that side but that's a very good question no and i know you're not i know you're not i can just tell by the wonderful background you've got right there it's all so in harmony with nature you see i think it's incredible that's why i had to it's an amazing question that look people will say that what about rulings like la takara well you know i would say you're not sakura in these things you're not drunk however it is true it is true they you may not you know

they may interfere in one praying salah um but that's like anything you know it's like anything like one could argue that look uh from a simple natural phenomenon to sleep interferes with salah to something like having to work a particular job or do a particular thing now obviously you'd have to time it [Music] but you'd have to plan it accordingly because

and i believe i personally believe it is illegal in the secular societies to be drunk and drive driving even if you're under the influence of psychedelics or marijuana or you know alcohol whatever kind if your mind is not in this right place it's illegal to drive so the same con concept applies when it comes to you have to know what you're saying exactly i mean exactly okay now when you're having psycho psychedelics that's a lot because to me personally because i don't consider hadith a source of my religion i've discussed this one time with you

so to me salat is salah that five time you know uh that the hot of that's one i believe and then i also believe allah moon you have to constantly salat with llama which is constantly turning towards allah and turning towards the constantly being towards your you know towards allah towards ayaat if

the great um maliki legend right now he highlights uh in his book um he clearly demonstrates that he has this principle called that a person is like you are the best judge for when something is suitable for you as in it's your call let's sum it up with it's in it's your call so i i'm feeling too poorly too sick to to to pray according to who according to you it's your call okay very good now uh this nerves

so as to so first of all the question that yes psychedelics now they vary they may vary in their time spans so whether it's four hours five hours six hours whatever they are or whether 15 minutes maybe you know the way some dmt is uh is taken they may not interfere at all with salah times or maybe they may take a span of four five hours so four five hours okay but people first of all people uh there's a number of things here they could they could take them at a certain time that it doesn't concur with salah just as they do or it does it's not an

intoxicant okay now obviously different experiences are different now to some people they you know there's obviously a kind of spectrum of this so-called uh the walking the path of the trip you know it's not and people are conscious and they are entitled they're not like tipsy or they they can absolutely speak they can they absolutely in this that you know you said most people will know

they know what they're saying in that state now you may say well okay what about things like driving would you compare it to driving i personally wouldn't because you see there's certain things in which you are still very much know what you're saying and doing like i could be slightly sleepy slightly and i know what i'm doing and i can just do it but i'm tired and i'm and i'm praying but being slightly sleepy and driving because driving is a an activity which involves the road and other people and

your reaction time even a second delay could cause a crash and an accident and loss of life so i wouldn't compare the two but i would say that if a person felt that they could pray they can pray if a person felt that no they they can't and they'll pray you know they organize their time that's entirely up to them but obviously i don't know this we ended up speaking a lot today about psychedelics i don't know why is it because it's the blessing they're the blessed knights of ramadan the reason why i'm getting getting back with you actually on this is not this it just so happened that we talked about and i totally

understand you know that that prayers is not exactly the same as driving because in driving you have to be very alert in a sense that one slight mistake could cause somebody's life but anyway let's leave it at that i don't i don't know it's been a pleasure race it's been epic but is it okay if i ask you one more thing then with that background but i've got i've got a few people waiting okay i'm just going to be very quick on this one this is about um a text i also sent you in the instagram about ozeira salam okay um you mentioned that i've seen your point

of view about jose that it could be osiris yeah yeah yeah yeah you have said that and i actually i have thought about this as well actually when i was going to school i was debating with a friend and he said oh the quran says this and i was like and i said okay what about it he's like no the jews never worshipped jose there's no no jew that does that so i i was kind of dumbfounded at that time and it since then it has been the back of my mind i actually looked through the verse and i see if we look at um you know the verse

so it doesn't say isa it says meaning is the title it's the christ so it doesn't use the name whereas it's not fair to consider osiris a name because if you put them in an equation on one side if there's one title on the other side there is another title it cannot be another name because it doesn't make sense okay so when i looked at if i looked at the meaning of jose jose it is the same root letter as tarzi as punishment or you know if somebody has that honor to be able to give you punishment like a judge kind of a thing

then you could call that person you know that that this word could apply to that that honorable one jose could mean the honorable one now the next verse it says it tells you because the jews have taken their so it's as if they are considering them as the same title as the christians give to the isla islam the christ they call in the son of god meaning he is the judge and the

honorable and he will just see the only the only challenge that people would say with this uh ways is that they would say that look you know how you said like for like. so they will argue that uh you see the way christians do perceive jesus christ is not just the it's not the way they perceive the priests because the priests and the rabbis are like for like you know the pope and maybe some high rabbis and high priests and um and are like for like but the it's not the same

i'm just saying from a from that verse perspective because if you look at it it does seem that there was some figure that it seems by the reading that there's some body or something that the jews gave such a glorification to i felt that this was not referring to jews as a whole it was referring to the early jewish people who left with moses them because they most likely would have uh if it is osiris they would have had a great

deep embedded love and respect for cyprus just as all people of egypt would have had because he was this great you know the one who blesses for uh for food and for blesses is the lord of the underworld he's the kind of raheem equivalent of of their narrative so and and you see in the quran when the jews banish go with moses one of the first things they ask is oh make us a you know this kind of statue this when they see whether it's the tree or they see something is

that they say to moses hey can't we have a god that looks a bit like that um so you see the reason i feel allah is mentioning these things is to show that those deeply embedded traditions were still with them like somebody doesn't just jettison everything you know they they move along but they still carry this stuff with them but yeah i i um i see what you're saying as well yeah but i just just the last point and i totally understand you know that this point is not that it's that strong and just uh uh you know i just came up with it a few days ago and i was thinking about it i wanted to share it with you and get your perspective

i checked on surah on verse number nine this word is used again okay and this one is it's not yet everybody except for the arabic word uh it does come from to punish or to chastise uh the question is that so jose seems like an arabic name okay because it's a sight

like the the name like the name aways on this pattern or junaid or you know these kind of names fit this pattern of so jose now the question is was this it clearly wasn't an arab because the israelites are not arabs so it's a non-arab word non-arabic word of origin now one of the ways that they did used to this is why i said osiris is they did one of the urbanizations of that was us actually how because osiris you know the is

is the greek ending no if you are the name then absolutely you're right but if you think that quran you know it could be it could be a name it could also be a title but if it is a title it definitely is because this word in in this uh it means to honor it does not only mean chastise and oh right yes yes okay as into to from the uh yes so those people who consider allah and israel as the honorable one as opposed to others so this honorable one you have to consider allah that's the word of rasulullah is the quran

the quran is the holy ghost so if you consider it that way then come on top and anybody anybody else if somebody is holding somebody else as that honorable one then they become giving them okay take care of yourself alright people uh right we've got to start wrapping this up we've got img guru img guru all right

how are you i'm good australia your first uh meetup i came on and i just chatted with you i didn't ask you a question that i had and i'm still regretting it it's like being what six or seven months didn't you [Laughter] ah this is the name i kept in like high school or something

yeah go for it then yeah like some mega caffeine tonight this is a verse in surah surah 22 40.

so it's stars allah [Music] so my question is we compare yeah we compare across the quran we know salawat means like protect your it's all it's used as protect your prayers and especially the prayer in the between

and then it's also used as mm-hmm yeah of course here you we can't say it means prayers since god uh s on the people who believe so my question in this verse is like all every single translation i see big big translation big linguist they all translate this word salawat in this world as synagogues [Music]

is that the oh is that the is it not the monasteries and the yeah yes yes yes this my question for you like is this justified from a linguistic point of view from a locally point of view saying that salawat means synagogue um right so let me just bring up the the entire verse again right beyond what's let me just bring it up right so 22 was 40 yes so um

he says he gives obviously showing the dif this disagreement of people so he mentioned swami to mean the uh maybe where the monks were but he says this is the love amongst people um um it's just mentioning so some of the people he's showing all the differences some people say it's the place of the sabe um those who are the sabe

now he says for nasara for christians but then once again he says they disagree there's going to be obviously a lot of disagreement he's showing all the other opinions as well that people say some beer were churches salawat once again he says some say churches um and he mentions some mentioning that and then he says um can i sell yahood synagogues as the haqq transmits qatar

says synagogues as well um and he says um right but okay so so basically it's like a physical what we have is uh yeah that allah is mentioning that the nature of the verse is that it is from the laws of an unwritten law of nature almost that there will be this antagonism

yeah uh that people and creatures will be will go up against each other but where there's oppression there will always be some so now we're bringing in that's zooming out from a creature realm zooming in into a human realm with his morality where there is oppression some people walaola allah that there will be some people that will be inspired to rise for the cause of justice and allah will cause them to repel the other people

that they will always be forces fighting for justice in this world and then allah uh exemplifies gives as an example different places of worship that are being destroyed and these words that are used like beer now apart from uh you know salawat and apart from masajid but the others it's not very clear what these words are exactly referring to uh you're right that as as as highlights

you know everybody they're not sure does this mean a church does it mean a synagogue but we get the impression that it's referring because allah says youth that these places of remembrance are places which in which the name of god is being glorified yet they are being destroyed by some forces and it's interesting that allah mentions about all of them and i would say that they incorporate beyond the abrahamic phase whether it's going to be any faith any kind of monastery or any kind of place of and

this is why these words were used even right out to shamanic practices or anything anybody any kind of guru any communal place where people congregate to glorify allah god in their understanding these places being attacked allah is condemning it and it's interesting in that verse allah is not just condemning those he begins by it's you know it looks like it's it's

it begins with muslims you know those people um and one might picture all the hijrah and muslims being forced to leave from makkah that this might come to you know which comes to to us immediately but when we read the entire verse it seems to be so generic and universal that we we're kind of like oh whoa okay this is about anybody wherever they are remembering god in their way and if forces of whatever nature of people trying to shut them down

destroy put them destroyed physically the demolition of these places that they will be a people that will rise for justice and i think this is you know it's one of the most amazing verses of the quran to reflect a sense of justice a universal justice not this kind of prejudiced you know oh we're muslims we only stand up for um you know like as an example like let me just say right now i'm just saying like you know just uh what's going on uh in

in colombia and uh just as an example now muslims won't really unfortunately a lot of muslims won't really care you know because they won't see it as anything to do with them because they're not muslim you know the whole point is that it's well if it's not muslim it's not our cause and and that this verse is speaking against that that it's not just because you know somebody once asked uh my position i mean i've answered my position on the uyghur uh and some i've read a comment

somewhere that somebody said you know why is most what you know about my position and in not being as harsh as other people and but my position is harsh but my position is from a human perspective and i've said that look to me what china is doing yes it needs to be condemned for its human rights for its torture for these things but i don't feel china is doing this because they're muslims it's doing it because of the separatism it's a political issue but they are torturing the people who then happen to be muslims and yes those people may have also used

their being muslim and identity for their separation cause you know for separatism for saying we want a separate state and obviously china is a ruthless entity they're not going to let you be a separate state they will crush you so yes i am against it just as i'm against any oppression but i don't feel that you know people think this is china's jihad against islam it's not if those people happen to be hindu but were calling for separatism china would have crushed them

and they and but they and they may be using islam for their separatism but my point was that you see this is a human issue and yes it needs to be condemned on human rights but this colombia as an example or if we're using let's say if there's human violations going on in other parts of the world people don't care you know they all muslims they will feel well if they're not muslim then it's not our cause so this verse is addressing that bigotry and saying no that you know whether it's beer whether it's masaji whether it's salawat whether it's whatever these places where people have

a sanctity that where there is that people should stand up for it but yeah guru ji that's an uh epic question all right people we've got to wrap up but i can see here i'll take jay maksud

you know what jay maksud i just saw those books in the background and i thought it would be blasphemous thank you so much have you just snuck into a library and just gone live it's it's 10 30 at night here in new york so i don't there's no libraries wow so what's going on is that your study is it allah yeah i feel this is not fair i i need to turn the camera that way go into my store you know what i was like a showing off things ah if i had the filter thing going on i would totally use it

so thank you for taking me on i'm i'm kind of still shell-shocked at the moment that i have the opportunity to talk with you i'm just a big fan um i love i love hearing you uh explain things thank you for all of that so i have a couple of questions you know i know time is limited but the questions are kind of related so the first one i'm a teacher myself and i always think about uh islamic education in the 21st century and what does it mean to educate your own children or to give an islamic education to your children like what's our responsibility in your view what's the best we can do especially in like a western context

and a related question somewhat is about especially in an interfaith a marriage context where your spouse may not be muslim what are the things people are asking is this jah is that you are you the the [Laughter] sorry the second part of the question yeah the second part was just uh related in the sense that in in an interfaith marriage context when the spouse is

not united um looking in all those women is that you jay [Laughter] and let me show you this small library over here well on a side note you know i saw the tic-tac-toe uh artwork back there and i was gonna challenge you to a game of tic-tac-toe but then i said you you don't follow the rules it looks like i would lose hell no so so what are the responsibilities what are the responsibilities um in this in that sort of a situation as well in regards to

uh you know uh giving an islamic education to your children right that's actually a very um you know it's although despite it being a simple simply put question and a somewhat perceptibly simple question i find it to be one of the most um you know challenging um [Music] you know

propositions really that we are faced with that how do we go about um teaching our children about islam like what what is the and being a qualified mufti being a scholar of islam i'm being honest with you i think in some ways it's it's it's even more challenging because you know or from my perspective i i assume i know uh different all these different perspectives and and then there's my take on things and

so i'm just i feel that we are all in this together honestly don't think that somebody has a greater ability just because you know he's an islam or he's a cher or he's a mufti um i would what i've linked it in okay i'll tell you what i or what i'm thinking yeah now this and i may change my view on this because i'm just learning it as i'm going along i'm just being honest with you sure i i wish there was some kind of a a blueprint that that i felt i feel that really there's two things that we need

to concern ourselves with one is just the very basic fundamentals that there is a god and the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi and the very simple fundamentals of islam you know that we we do believe that you know god and the simple that god watches over us he protects us he uh you know ultimately uh provides ultimately and um all powerful that kind of just very similar which to be fair children kind of grasp anyway they have this understanding of god quite young um and that we qualify that with the prophet muhammad

and we are muslim and to be fair most children will they they grasp this very young you know my daughters learned that in school oh we're muslim this is what christian is this is what this is they learn this this very simple uh beliefs yeah the other thing and and with that sorry with the very simple beliefs i would just say teaching them how to you know from a young age let's say teaching them certain uh like how to read the quran and stuff and that's a long process but they they they're going to learn it and that they'll go through the stuff and that muslims pray and stuff that's

all that very simple this stuff to be fair is not difficult and most muslims all know it the other thing is to teach them to be a good to the best of our ability and it's a difficult one to be a good human being wallahi like and i feel that this uh to aspire to to these higher higher values of morality you know this thing like honesty like justice and i fee and compassion compassion for people compassion for the environment compassion for these things

i feel they i i'm not quite sure how but i mean there are studies to to to reflect this as well but i feel that a sense of um ethics is tied in with the child's relationship with their parent that they you know if they have a loving bond uh with the and i i feel the father does play a big role in this as well um i feel that even you know there's this uh i don't know like but i i

i don't mean a physical presence presence but there is this psych in the psyche there is this this kind of place of the father and and and the child has this bond and and it's with the mother as well but i'm just saying that i feel that if there is this loving connection it goes on or reflects it manifests in a um in a better uh display or a better manifestation of ethics

i i feel that i i don't i don't know allahu alam but there are studies that show that as well the children that have had that kind of loving bond do go on to be not only stable in and of themselves but tend to be people that are more concerned with absolutely with compassion and and stuff like this and you know all the other stuff like stories in the like you know prophets stories of the quran what does this mean what i think personally i think look whatever they learn is fine alhamdulillah and as they mature with with in life they will kind of develop

that understanding they'll kind of they'll build on it they'll you know they'll filter things they'll learn i i don't think we need to be this is my thought be too preoccupied on no no this is how it is or you should memorize all this and you should get i think maybe maybe people that's working maybe that is a blueprint that some people are going by and and it's working well but this is how i'm just seeing things right now i don't know man it's we're all in this together honestly i appreciate that and i you know i it sounds also like from what you're saying that perhaps one of the intrinsic goals is to

inspire the love of god as opposed to focusing too much or intensely on rituals and things of that nature that become okay that is so ex you see i feel that we if you know through this you see i i have to be careful with my words as well because i don't want to miss kind of uh represent something but through this bond that i was saying if there is it reflects in yes it does kind of manifest in in this kind of ethics but also i feel

it kind of sets into motion this relationship with god um we there is this um because what i would want i would want my children to to to know that to know god as a rahman as the loving god as as the merciful as the compassionate as the you see to me you know this um these rituals and these kind of things that yes they are there for a reason they are not the goal they to me were never the goal of islam they were just mistakes yeah exactly that's all they are i mean

it's not ultimately you know whether a person uh whether fajr or uh had two rakaat or he had three or he had one roku and two sidjuds and these things that these are just rituals just to set for people so they can get by you know they can use them as stepping stones to to have an a link with god but a hundred percent it is the quality which i hope for and i don't know you know because i think kids are a scary one because the other problem is we're in a day and age where the time is changing so

uh by that i mean the age is changing so drastically we don't even know what's going on what and we just about keep up with technology they are native to technology you know we are migrants to to this technology technological revolution and they're growing up around it and you know in 10 years from today they're going to be so perhaps far ahead of us um and and that you know this chasm it's difficult to bridge you know it's not easy and um and that leads its own problems you know we are trying to i i was saying once before that

i feel for people you know sometimes like you're average um especially like your average parent you know somebody he's not a professor he's not a you know an academic he's not an uh a scientist i feel sometimes that as the children are growing up there that this this that you know there's this kind of like silent suffering of the parent who who feel that the child now starts to know certain things that they can't answer or even control and and most of this this is one of the reasons why i asked this question because a lot of times a lot of us like

the average on uh as less educated in in religion than most i guess professionals or academics for us a lot of times the religious education is passed on to an institution of some sort perhaps a sunday school or whatnot and that's where my question kind of really comes from because a lot of times i have my my children i have three but two go to school and on sundays they go and they come back and sometimes they have these questions like they sometimes the textbooks that they're seeing they're saying things like you know you must sleep on the right hand side if you sleep on the left shaytan will come and wake you up and

god forbid you sleep on your stomach yeah in my first grade my first graders textbook the islamic studies textbook they had a they had the the surah um i'm forgetting the name of the sword but it is the zildzalaha that surah that talks about that's the one and and he they were teaching them in first grade the meaning of that how god might crush people and so the poor boy came in and he said you know

he's like he's scared for several weeks talking about like i don't want to go to hell and they learned that in first grade so these are the kinds of things that then prompt me to think about like should i shouldn't i be the one trying even though i feel i feel that honestly you know a lot of people are asking this question that in the future we will just be um we will just become um cultural muslims some few people mentioning that in the comments i uh i i do although i i acknowledge that that unquestionably for certain people will be the case

but i see it differently i see that you know what we're doing like people say oh you know this kind of thing oh well people are kind of like you know they're moving away from just it's not about rituals it's more about the meaning it's more about this it's more about that i feel that we are in this decluttering right in this searching we are rediscovering what was in essence the the pure or the pristine message of islam it was actually just to connect and even about

atheism you know somebody had mentioned here about atheism they said how richard dawkins uh they gave the example i beg to differ i beg to differ because i feel that even with this new age um about consciousness and this new age enlightenment that we see people you know the age of militant atheism is kind of it's beginning its demise because people what they want you see people have always had an a heartfelt inherent intrinsic

need for god but they just have had enough of institutionalized religion and i feel that what we're simply doing is people are just losing their chains and shackles and what they will return to is god because a lot of these atheists you see that now you see that if you watch some of the interviews they say oh we struggle with the concept of community the lack of it we have to invent we have to invent uh rituals in fact a study i was just reading last week about um certain universities that conducted that most atheists

believe in some form of supernatural whether it's angels or whether it's uh you know the demons or whether it's it's just not god you know but this because coming to the point that as we uh there's there's a a very um there is an amazing quote about um i've forgotten it now but it but it sums up that in the end we arrive where we had began but to know it all differently now that we arrive here now with knowledge

and i don't see the future as grim i think yes it will unquestionably have its challenges but i don't think it's grim i don't think people will abandon uh you know like people say yes people are somebody was saying they're gonna abandon islam maybe the institutionalized version and if people don't start offering these other answers then yes more and more people will struggle to hold on but if they do offer these understandings i feel that people will connect but yeah but jay shukran man thank you thank you for taking the time right take care man

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