Why people run from the Bukhari debate? | Mufti Abu Layth

have a discussion you know he wanted to discuss sahil bukhari i i wanted to discuss sahil bukhari i said look let's discuss it because you worship sahil bukhari right let's let's talk about its authenticity you proved to me to be authentic right and let's have that discussion you you feel that since i don't know what i'm talking about it should be easy like come on like if you say to me or mufti i want to talk about the mother but you think well he doesn't know or i think look you don't know much about it should be easy to have you know to just destroy you in a conversation because i know that i clearly would know all these things so similarly he claims that i don't know what i'm

talking about on bukhari i said let's come on mine trap let's have a a chat let's do this yeah i mean he's being too heavy about coming on to your show maybe if you guys have like on a neutral platform what is this i'm not going to attack him you know i don't know literally i'm not going to slap him am i like i'm not going to attack him i'm not going to harm him at any point he can come on and say a disclaimer that if i feel you're going to do this i'll disconnect he just has to press that button disconnect and he's off like what what's the i'm a child he's publicly written you're a child

i will humiliate you this is on his twitter account it's the look what's i'm not gonna i guarantee i'm not gonna start swearing at him am i he's not going to come on there i'm going to effing blimey blah blah blah he knows he knows i'm not going to do any of that i've done 40 episodes of mind trap i've never done that with anyone you come on you prove to me i will let you talk and you to tell me how prove to me sahil bukhari the truth is this it's like jonathan brown he tried to challenge me and then he publicly had to state the truth he said that the in all honesty i'm under skilled in this i i don't have the knowledge or the research to be able to speak about sal buhari

like that that's why i can't accept your dialogue on it at least jonathan brown was being honest he said that on facebook because he publicly decided to attack me you know one of the problems these people i'll tell you what it is look these people look at me and they see some guy sitting there you know he's got a chain he's got an earring he's got this goatee spikey here what would this guy possibly know so they it gives them this false this kind of folks hope that they can go out and just say something so it's like jonathan brown came out and said ah you know must you

he got his name wrong and then i was like so i i took a screenshot of the actual of the and i put it on facebook i said it is punnani but just because i said there's actually 14 different scholars that share that name and the ones you're referring to are linked with the from the maghrib and this is from tunis it's banana but you didn't know that did you you just assumed i wouldn't know so i said to him that because he kept saying i don't know what i'm talking about about sahil bukhari and when i said about the manuscripts and i said all these things and

you know the whether it was the sultana or whether it was younini or whether it was all of these they said oh he doesn't know what he's talking about uh mufti doesn't know so i thought okay i said come on let's have a dialogue and when i started sharing my information and i've got a whole hearty gate video i say prove to me go on how difficult is it to prove to me ferrari is authentic just show it in a book and job done i shall right so but you can't do it you can't do it from somebody who actually knew february you can't do it you can only do it from people who come hundreds of years later right so so it's easy to shut me up to

show me that i'm wrong now then he at least okay the decency he had is because so many people pestered jonathan brown on his facebook post saying look why don't you just have a dialogue with multiple leads then he openly on his post said look the truth is i don't have the research in this field so take it but these other people like you know gangutili and these people they the truth is they're not skilled in this they just know how to debate shia they just know how to quote stuff and argue with the shia and okay the shia thing is not my special like if you ask me

i'll talk about shia resources and they kind of i mean their sources and their books and it's not my specialty i don't have the research in shia texts okay so i'm just going to be honest with you look i don't have the research in that now i would have to learn and i'm not really interested in learning about all that kind of stuff so so i'm just being honest like if it's not my forte i'm not going to get involved so but with these people because everything rests on sahil bukhari and obviously it shook their world that bukhari rests on this bacharach robbery and for robberies neither here neither they

you know he's just he's just been like glorified for no particular reason nobody actually vouched for him and and i just said look bring me one person that new ferrari that said he's reliable and i will everything right here just i accept what you say you cannot bring me a single person that knew foreign and could vouch for him and yet this whole dogma of islam that you make the quran go around bihari is built on the back of the uh you know on the shoulders of this one man one man one man and look what he's done to this ummah

i'm not saying it's his fault i'm not saying it's his fault he just did what he would have done you know he for him it was just an investment he was part of this he was involved in the project whether we got it wrong right whether we got it wrong whether he was reliable whether he's unreliable we don't know because we don't know anything about him we just know he's this guy who had a bunch of students and his claim to fame was this that's his claim to fame you know why wouldn't you jump with fame you know something's going to bring you money it's going to bring you fame look at all these colors somebody said to me a moment ago look muffy be honest if you were a thobe when you wore a hat and you did this would you not get more

followers i said i i'm certain that they would exponentially grow if i was to do that and and this is and he's asking me surprised because the truth is most people out there if something will bring them some value they would take it you know it's capital at the end of the day if and when it's a commodity they would wear a thought they and then they get later on caught out for being fake now this thing brought in fame this brought him money bought him wealth they bought him status i'm not saying he was an evil person i'm not saying that he was just like every other human who's who saw an opportunity and took it

but nobody told other people to be stupid you know just because a person had an opportunity and you took it you don't need to be blind you can still think okay wait a minute hmm this is this is a bit dubious but yeah you know to me to be fair for uh farid however you say his name i feel like he's kind of tied up um to an extent because a large part of his audience is like hardline uh hardliners you know hardline selfies so he tries a lot he tries really hard to please his audience he can't he doesn't really have any flexibility when it comes to why he shares

his content i you know i i agree with you 100 ahmed and this isn't about by the way what i'm saying isn't about him uh this is generally and i think you know what you've said you've hit the nail on the head that that is exactly the case with most of these preachers that most of the preachers ironically the crowd that follows them actually controls them it's weird because the crowd you like

he's not salafi he's from the bravery community yeah he's you know same thing you know when when we had this thing with shaykh when we were off camera he was absolutely decent with me you know very friendly cracking jokes doing all of this as soon as he put his camera on obviously our camera was still rolling we just haven't released we just haven't released our footage right but obviously his camera when he put his camera on he'd go serious he wouldn't crack jokes he'd be very anti-me but as soon as the camera he stopped his

camera he was very friendly it was like oh don't you remember we were this we met up in damascus don't remember we did this we did that and oh yeah man musty musty you know but otherwise would he even call me mufti no off camera i mean on camera never call me mufti it'd be like abu leith you know but but off camera absolutely friendly because he doesn't have a personal problem with me even though he disagrees with my views which is fine he even thinks i'm pretty certain you see a lot of these people say this they say oh yeah you know mufti is the kind of person would like to hang out with but you know it's just his views shaykh was messaging me at that time was

saying oh yeah you know how about we hang out more and we do this and then he went on his lives he was saying i'm a deviant and then i exposed that i said look oh look he messages me in the morning saying hey we should hang out and then in the evening he's doing a public speech saying i'm a deviant and at the job now obviously then he got offended and blocked me but my point was that look these people are only doing this because of the pressure because the following expects that of them that the following says you have to be in a certain way you know i remember

years ago yeah i was on uh this kind of platform about it was called something like uh multaka or something as a whatsapp platform i think it still exists but they used to this is years back when it probably now it's much bigger but at that time it had maybe 50 people on there but he had all these shirts on the you know these sheikh haitham had that from the uk uh uh he's a selfie as you know he had um what's his name

they had all these other people on the you know they had a meeting they would hold these meetings i went to the meeting because i was on there as well obviously they hated people hated me on there but at that time because i never had monday nights with mufti my views maybe all my views weren't known and my views were still developing but these when we were at this place and it's got loads of these duds and all these people on there they're all friends they're all you know eating together out there talking together pray together massaging each other's egos which is fine which is fine taking photos individually yeah

i said to them sure i said how about you know such and such or whoever they were that organized it takes a group photo of you guys of you guys even if you don't want me takes a photo of you guys and she's sick ah no no no no no no they go and i said but i don't understand why even sharza zahir all these people they said no no no no no no why why why not they said oh because you know our followings are not that mature yet they're not i said but isn't this your show unity you know you've got abril you had like uh maulana ghul there from

uh representing the brilliant who i respect a lot by the way and you had so you had uh brilliant you had diobandi you had salafi you had these other i said this is a perfect example to show unity and they not so much the braves they they were fine the others share them i remember him being very vocal no no no no we can't do that mufti mangera saying saying no no no we can't do this because our followers can't see this yet ready for it they're not mature enough but this is the problem isn't it that you're just feeding because you're afraid

that your congregation are gonna you know disown you yeah but yeah i've i've gone on for a while right ahmad this been an absolute pleasure man evening wherever you are right people