Miscellaneous | Meaning With MALM #34

all right all right all right bismillah this is a random one bring this further up so

just check this is coming through it's been quite a while you know i hadn't been feeling well these past few days and but it's been so long and i was resting and i thought you know what let's do a let's do a live stream and let's see who's awake at this scotly hour and it'll be good to maybe share some thoughts so wow people are awake here salaam

rahizi all the way from nyc chadman what an interesting name theologistic theologisticity always i mean

mark you're doing it all right at this hour allah mubarak shukran likewise may allah bless it for all of us i mean it's also the first of july um i will be sharing by the way the link for people who want to jump on uh a huge a yuba maliki all right shukran for confirming the sound i appreciate it lee all right

it's been ages yes salaam much love for the super chat i appreciate it all right awake at this hour yes and willie from buffalo all right buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo you know the famous uh those of you that don't know it google it

buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buff you know it's each [Laughter] each one represents something different a verb a noun object yeah so far arrived from shy town chicago america's had a lot going on hasn't it wow a lot's been going on this whole abortion thing um just subsequently

just so much going on it's just so sometimes we have to just not sometimes most often we have to switch off we have to detach disconnect you know from all this worldly not worldly but all this kind of the news and all this kind of stuff it's always negative almost you know from anything that's negative just

disconnect for a moment yeah you can't do anything about it anyway [Laughter] cool because it just eats at the soul so i gotta bring up that comment one moment mostly soon that bitcoin mug may be worth

you know i i still have my iman my faith in bitcoin i i think yeah those who are adventurous by the tip you know coming back to the more important things people it's you know this let's share a few verses some reflections and then i'll share a clip i'm sorry not clip i'll share the link to for people who want to jump on and meet and greet and

maybe share some thoughts or questions these these verses i believe but the incredibly popular you you see them time and time again describing the nature of incen and i feel that it's so relevant considering just all the noise that is going on right now you just flip this yeah considering

all the noise it is so relevant what is that

you know some of the sellers they ask that what what does this verse mean and the answer they got was the best of series done by the quran itself either

that in sun if something some harm touches him or her absolutely in a state of utter anxiety it's our fitrah it's our fitrah you see we've been created this way allah says has been

excessively anxious and panicking [Laughter] but when insane comes in contact with goodness in comes upon goodness here it could mean more so wealth or goodness that is utility that has utility in the world he's or she's excessively preventive

or preventing in sharing it with others yes what a description of insane honestly i love it it's so encapsulates insane the harm comes first why because we're more likely in this world to nowadays that things have changed but in

science with his journey or her journey of development and evolution for thousands upon thousands of years more likely to come across harm than they are good so begins with harm in cern is in a state of panic you think when what surely when they are upon some goodness they'll be totally awesome

get away get away allah allah to say that you see and salah here goes on to say allah to him

those who are consistent with this i would say salah here and more it's not just salah it's includes that that's obviously a part of it but it's about the connection that devotion the immortal [Music]

who have a known designated right but in their right which is their rightfu him they're right

sorry worried him in their wealth i'm sorry i'm saying they're right him it is the wealth there is a known allocated they've allocated it for the one who asks for the poor for the deprived allah

see allah is showing us if we just take these verses even just up to here the antidote to what it begins with you say well what's is there a possible antidote a possible healing from this volatility two things come to you in these verses a devotion to god

and then giving allah it's counterintuitive you would never want to give something that is good but you give it and in it is hidden it's like a cheat think look think if you were to design a computer game and in this game you were to hide certain cheats cheek codes

how would you hide them you'd hide them where people least expect it almost counterintuitively that some of the most greatest peace inner peace comes from sharing the goodness that you have it doesn't even make any sense but that's how it's hidden allah but you know you we can take these verses just as a template for the fitra of insane

and we can see it everywhere in the world around us and in many ways knowing that it can help us be more patient as well more understanding

of the chaos we see in the world around us because this is the volatile fitrah of insulin may allah make things easy for us all i mean wow let me right sugar and sugar and if i had much much love much love

yes shukran i mean these yeah i'll share the link the um you know i did want to i will get i was supposed to it was organized that me and mama do we were supposed to have a mind trap discussion um just gone it was meant to be earlier this week but i had just not been feeling well and yeah i've been shaking this malaise kind of off and yeah but and i was hoping and i am hoping to unpack more of the american kind of discourse that is going on

but just some words you know this row versus wade and this whole abortion chaos that we are hearing it's strange because you wouldn't imagine this kind of a discussion in any developed country in the world i mean it's not a it wouldn't even be a discussion

so it's strange here i saw things i saw people sharing comments tweets clips right i saw some people celebrating it because they felt this is somehow islamic i america is a strange country isn't it it truly ought not to be one country but then the problem would be if it wasn't one country they would just be

bombing the hell out of each other so so its survival had to be one unified country but it's so bizarre how radically different and diverse the polarized ends of the great united states is it's just wow i feel in some way not in um i'm not trying to say this in a you know like an apocalyptic sense or anything like that but i feel that we

are witnessing the beginning or maybe we have been for a little while now of the disillusion of the great united states as and what i mean by that is as the the self the great you know the the huge entity super entity that it was it's the world has kind of shifted from that unipolar um

being this this kind of sun around which the globe orbited it's it's kind of it's moved away to multi um you know to to multiple polarities i feel it's no longer i mean even just many things the the russian war is clearly a um an indication of that and even things like this this abortion kind of uh

chaos that is going on so it's bizarre i don't you see to me it makes no sense to celebrate this um the overturning of roe v wade i don't see how that is anyhow something to be celebrated i feel it's quite bizarre reason being that look this

so from an islamic perspective first of all because a lot of people i saw brought islam into this to to rejoice and [Music] celebrate now even though there are because from what i understand the um the ruling now has denied a fundamental right to abortion and has left it to the states to determine with from what i've read i if i recall correctly i think 26 states moving to ban abortion in its entirety including or what's suggested

is in every single manifestation of that you know be it whatever be it rape be it incestuous be it you name it whatever it be and at any point in the pregnancy from the day after right up until so okay i mean that is um so from an islamic perspective i understand that some scholars in islam traditionally and they usually share a scholars had cons had found that their view is aligned with

some of the the catholic church view that really at conception life begins and therefore some people attribute that to i believe even imam razali but i've heard it being challenged that that wasn't his view but definitely the shepherd yes some of them that conception happens the moment sorry the moment conception happens it is a sacred life and it is haram to have abortion and that um is the view of some

some shepherd but this view is such a minority fringe view in islam such a minority view um that and i i feel today that maybe this may be the salafi view as well today so and it is the view of the catholic church uh on the view of of christianity or much of much of christianity especially the evangelics so but most of if you look at islamic fear you will have at least two entire meth

herbs the hambali medha which says that installment that we don't consider the same obviously the fetus is alive but it doesn't have that sanctity of a born human up until 120 days and that is the view also of the hanafi method so these are two entire methods of the methods of islam now and then the malikia are in between them some saying 40 days some disputing it

so this is the the vast majority of the scholars of islam did not believe that conception resulted in the sacredness of life in that sense that like a human being they believe that the sacredness this the sanctity of life only emerges with the ruach and they disagreed whether the comes on the 40th day or the 120th day because of the hadith so that's why the majority of the ulama lies so the stats from what i'm aware show that in the united states

i think 90 plus percent of all abortions take place under 120 days so that's i believe the stats that over 90 percent i think 90 i can't remember 91 or 90 something percent of all abortions that take place in the united states are under that um 120 day period so they usually you know within the first two months or maybe stretching it to three months but they're not usually beyond and definitely not beyond 120 days so islamic feck for hundreds and hundreds of years

has seeing that that kind of um dispensation now this isn't to say this isn't to be little like like nobody see you have to understand things that nobody is saying abortion is a great thing that everybody should go and do i don't think people in their right mind would ever speak like this muslim scholars have definitely not spoken like that but there's on there's things there's reasons why people take an abortion they don't just take an abortion for fun

you know it's like somebody i remember once discussing divorce it's the same thing people say oh well you know if it was like this then a person would just go get a divorce but nobody does these things for fun nobody thinks i know i'll just go get an abortion there is a problem a crisis a situation going on and it is subjective sometimes it's objective clearly like the mother's life could be in danger so let's say the mother's life is in danger then the scholars generally agree that the child can be aborted up until the very end

to save the life of the mother so her life is paramount in islam above the life of the child so that's a situation where there's no time limit and then there's other subjective reasons and people say well you know is family planning the same as fearing poverty or fearing you see there's a difference because the quran addresses people who would kill and they would usually kill their daughters in jahiliya time and they would say hashiata in

this kind of impoverished state it wasn't just like poverty it was more than that because the the arabs then had this understanding that they had this which was a sick diseased understanding that they saw the daughters as burdensome because the the society was a raiding warrior kind of society so they were just laden with so to speak mouths to feed and to defend and if they had let's say many sons then they could go and fight and they could

raid other tribes and they could do stuff so when they say these were just mouths to feed it wasn't that they saw them as oh they're going that was the main reason that food because they would have had to feed their boys as well it wasn't poverty in that sense it wasn't the word isn't used it's in the quran which is this this kind of burdened impoverished state but it's not simply about food it's about well they're seeing themselves oh i'm going to grow old and i've just got these daughters with me and you know we become victims and we can't really go

and fight and raid and i just have to always keep defending them and up until how long can i defend them and you know if i had more sons then they could defend and so this is where they would go and kill and this was not the same as abortion they would kill a living child like a child that's an infant

so yeah so it's really a weak analogy you know i get it there's some approximation you could make but it's not the same so yeah the other thing i was going to say and that's it really and then i'll leave this discussion is that you see for the americans they have a way of life they have a way of life just as the west has a way of life and it has a way of life that people feel that they can choose for themselves now imam malik in the mudawana he is

asked that those of you that know about zoroastrians the medusa imam malik is asked about them that they one of the popular marriages that they had was incestuous so they would brother and sister and father and daughter or mother and son and this is what they had it was known it's still if you google it it was part of the the ancient customs a very well known one of the popular marriages that they had so imam malik is asked that

under those regions where we as muslims have power over them that should we forcibly prevent these incestuous marriages he's asked in the mudawana and you can check this this is imam alex fatwa imam alex that he's asked should we intervene should we intercept these marriages and he says la no he says it is their way of life if they do it it's their way of

life we do not get involved and he says that allah has condoned shirk which he has condoned for people on earth to worship other gods as in he's condoned that you can't if a person is a mushroom you cannot force them to abandon their shirk even if they're under your control you can't forcibly stop somebody from worshiping someone so if allah allows and disallows force towards worship

and devotion so imam malik said so what do you think about you know and that is he said are them much greater than practices that so this ruling where imam malik who is a huge authority in his day and age he refuses that muslims intervene forcibly and prevent these marriages that these have to be choices they make if it's their way of life to the americans that is their way of life the americans are not you know practicing according to the fick and if they were which fell

which they're not so their way of life is they have liberty so generally our understanding is always look if that's their way of life that's their way of life and people should have individual ownership so people should if they choose to make a decision they bear the responsibility there has to be that kind of freedom um so that's the the thing the other the other thing and i'll make this note i this is a skeptic in me okay

i find it very difficult to believe very difficult this is for me a tough sell sorry but i'm just speaking my thoughts okay that powerful wealthy rich men that live in america regardless of their faith

or against abortion i find that really difficult to buy that you see because these powerful tycoons are sleeping around endlessly they do not want any of the women that they're sleeping with they must be on endless streams of um you know sexual pursuit they do not want those women because these kind of one night stands and all these were to be having

their babies well and claim their money never want that i find it very difficult to believe that these men be they republican be they whoever if they are wealthy these old rich many of whom white men and this is not about them being white but i'm taking a stereotype here they want and are against awarding a child and that too because they feel god

is going to be happy that's a tough sell i sure even if they believe in god i find that difficult i'll tell you now i i've read somewhere now i'm not saying this is the cause but it seems more plausible so let's say that's a case we weigh that in a scale reason these rich powerful wealthy republican white men old men want to outlaw abortion is one okay except this one one is to take a sting at the democrats i accept that that may be a very plausible reason but

the main reason is so because they are religious to god never that's i mean that's such a tough sell for me okay but let's put that on the scale now i've read somewhere what about the thought that what the statistics say that by 2050 white caucasian people will become a minority in america now that's what the sociological stats are saying because at the rate of reproduction but with hispanics and

afro-caribbean or african-american sorry people that the white the white caucasian population will become a minority within the united states by 2050 which isn't that far away now if white women were not allowed to abort their children that may result in a much larger white population now this seems very conspiratorial but i'm as a balance of probability i don't

know maybe there's a an entirely different reason to why these people are simply voting for that the the people who the wealthy movers and shakers i don't mean the people on the ground they don't really count nobody really cares about their opinion the the movers and shakers i would feel that that preponderates more is given the the nature of american societies as we know them and the way sometimes there is this insecurity a racial insecurity that is so deeply

uh it's so visceral with certain people in in certain especially i mean it's evident i mean you get these um you've got so many kind of documentaries and stuff so to me that seems more like i would find that more of an like i would buy that more easily than i would buy the fact that they're doing this because they want to please god rich wealthy old men wanting to please god over abortion that's a tough sell they would be so pro-abortion because of the amount of

what i stand and that they would they would be very casual i feel sure it could be to appease politics and to take a dig at the democrats that part is sustained i take that that is a valid point i'm sure that there is that is a percentage of why this is happening but i would think um you know is it really leviticus deuteronomy is it really the bible is it really or is it something some racial insecurity i don't know but i would be more inclined to thinking well this probably holds more weight allahu alam not saying this is the

reason but i i sure you know if i was to just take a pic out of these two i would probably put my money on this then think that because i don't believe these people anything is god seldom comes into the equation um but that's my thoughts so and i could be wrong but we could all be wrong but i i i don't know but i would like to get uh a discussion on this on minecraft that would be fascinating right let's uh move on so

once again don't don't kind of don't shoot me people this is just a thought i'm not saying it is that but it seems that hmm i could see how that could cause a scare you know if you tell a people who feel very proud and already insecure american people are very not american people as all american people but the state is an insecure state because it's not been around that long right so when you tell a people that they will become a minority amongst other races within a few decades that's all that means within your lifetime

within our lifetime we will witness this becoming a minority that's like imagine that that was to happen in england i can imagine the people just go mad like i can see that you you have you see these fears are much deeper than you think they're not people are not so rational when they start getting when these kind of scares become real how do you think scaring people about immigration and refugees and all that works it works just because tapping into these fears of oh my god they're going to steal your jobs they're going to do this they're going anybody that it happens with everyone it's not just this isn't just

about white people it could happen with any country you take any race any ethnicity it's basic psychology you can tap into the identitarian kind of visceral entities and just shake it and you'll see what will happen people freak out i mean look at the nazi thing was exactly that but it's just people just freak out they don't um but yeah well let's um let's move on i i think i spoke too much as in much longer than i wanted to on that but yeah

what else is going on people [Music] shallow waters shook much love for the super chat you critiqued occasionalism in the past you talked about the importance of the laws of nature but in my honest opinion it leads to days and because if nature is doing all the work how does god interact with the world no it doesn't necessarily it doesn't lead to days and but sure it could if you're asking could it lead to that could be one possible iteration um but not necessarily i always find it um

in interesting that we think we could we can understand god i always find it [Laughter] insane inside you gotta give it to insana i think we can't even understand basic mathematics and we want to understand god that's crazy isn't it can we understand infinity can we truly

can we even understand space can we think of space the universe you can only think of it inside more space [Laughter] you know the the the famous mathematical um proposition of where you add every number to the one succeeding one plus two plus three plus four keep adding till infinity add infinitum you know what the answer is it's minus 1 12.

so which makes no sense but that's the answer so it's like what the hell is that about or you try to divide something by zero it's incalculable incalculable as in mathematics breaks down if you divide by zero this is why einstein said black holes are where god divided the universe by zero breaks down it's not just it breaks down you want to understand god yes

and that too you want to understand him so s as in in such a 2d [Laughter] but you got to love the audacity the audacity it's something huh wow but yeah so if you want to understand god let's begin with quantum physics because once you start to look at that then you realize truly how dumb you are as a human being then you realize damn i haven't even and i haven't even

entered the realm of dfinity and this is like it's so important you don't want that note it's so important to upon occasion at least have conversations with really intelligent people so if you can make friends befriend some geniuses if you can in something and upon occasion have conversations with them because it really it stops you dead in your tracks and really shows you how

unfortunately just how non-intelligent you are because and the reason i say this is look here bear with me the mind is the only organ if i can use that metaphorically which we can't compare so let's say now because everything else take a skill so let's say somebody's an artist and they're drawing and they can see somebody else drawing or see their drawings and think wow that person can

do so well man i'm so handicapped at this or somebody is a carpenter and they can see that damn you know like bloody hell i'm so pathetic at this or somebody let's say you look at yourself and you think oh my god i'm so out of shape look at that person oh they're so amazing look at look at the way their physique or somebody can do certain acrobats or they can do martial arts or they can do they can run so fast and you can see it and you can see yourself and see that you are not that

like you are so many notches below that now the mind is the one thing that you can't do that with you can't step outside of your mind and see how somebody else's mind works and think damn okay mine is so slow i'm like running on a software that hasn't been updated since the past five years so the mind is something you can't do that so what that does is it leads to a false perception that we think everybody is running more or

less at our speed but maybe they're just a bit better so when you have conversations with people who are really intelligent especially friendly conversations it really shows you that damn i i didn't understand anything what this person or so much of what this person said i couldn't even compute it so it humbles you and then you feel oh wow i tell you a great person to befriend those of you is doctor um i love doing this by the way occasionally whenever i get a chance with

professor faisal meer who's the head of quantum gravity research the center in canada i mean when i have conversations with him honestly i just feel ah damn i feel i feel like oh i truly am so stupid and so it's it's like an infinite slap in the face of my pseudo intelligence sometimes i may think oh i'm so intelligent and it's

it's like an abrupt awakening that you think bloody hell i can't even and when he'll explain things and he'll say look doesn't it make sense now and you'll think no no it does not make any sense it does not make any sense at all [Laughter] he'll talk about quantum gravity and he'll talk about these diff and he'll talk about them like it's so obvious like he'll be like he'll ex explain in a sentence and say yeah like now you get it and you you'll be like i don't get any of what you've just said ah and you realize that i could never

be as intelligent as that never like i just cannot like doesn't matter what i do i would never be that intelligent to understand that so it's a humbling experience but then you see if this is the world that is this complex why do you think the the essence of god is something that you would the essence i don't mean is there a god i mean the essence and how god operates why would you think that would be so easy when when we become so

you know dazzled at how software operates we can't unders people who are not coding experts it doesn't mean anything they totally can't grasp it so yeah so my my thoughts are we need to let's remember this is our journey to god don't worry about how the world works it works

allah is allies in control but how does that how does that reconcile with free will then see one of the best ways to understand this is the heisenberg's uncertainty principle that you can either you see when you look at it you can either measure speed like veloci velocity speed velocity of something or the position with the utmost accuracy you can never measure both at any given time with the utmost accuracy you can estimate

so it's like well if you're going to discuss this then this is it so if you're discussing god's perspective god's in control discussing in son's perspective then you're only discussing in science perspective and this free will and then you just set about in your worldly life now ex edits much love for the superchair opinion on gender segregation is islam the origin i don't know what that fully means the question but look what i would

say is i've got a detailed video on this you can watch it we need to emerge from this stuff is this is that see it's a shame because we've really truly lost the true essence of the faith honestly i the true essence

the true essence of the faith i guess is devotion mysterium tremendous at fascinates this mysterium tremendous this sacred that is both all striking overpowering and incredibly fascinating this is

what is the heart of faith i think you know i i said these twos i was speaking with a friend and you know i mentioned right i a couple was it maybe a week ago or two weeks ago i was listening to a brief lecture by uh dr

suleiman and i really love listening to his lectures honestly they're just brief clips and i find they do so much for me at this stage in life um and they all centered on the devotion

and they're not you know they they are some of the stories are of a folkloric nature um but i really value and appreciate what's in operation here and you know this one day i was listening to his thing and i i went into this deep thought this kind of this not deep i went into this state

of mind the state of consciousness see just into this state yeah and i thought about about this about devotion about everything and i thought about reason the voice of reason and i'm i'm huge about i've always been

a key proponent of the voice of reason but i thought to myself you know in that state of of mind of consciousness i thought i used to pride myself on my intellect like i mean so much in a way for so many years and if i heard let's say these very same lectures these very all these various these um [Music]

which are like you know i i guess sermon isn't the right word because it sounds too formal but these powerful short stories even if they're of a folkloric nature but are about creating a devotional bond if i heard them in the they wouldn't have done anything for me they would have i would have seen it as oh you know this is just like what does this do and it's not i would have looked at it very from an academic perspective

and i was thinking that you see this is the same meme it's not but i can see how valuable those the the devotion element is that it is at the the bedrock the heart of everything it is much it is up it is more valuable than the tool of reason when it comes to faith not to dismiss the tool of reason

and i just thought to myself that you know because i i i in that instant i could see almost for years i this journey of the intellect and it's a it's a in its own way an amazing incredible journey but i felt that it took me so long

to arrive or just at this point where i like i took such a long route to get here yeah i mean it's hmm this is why i but i guess i so my mate had asked me that well how would you see reason then and i said that reason is an indispensable tool and i feel it's it must be there in the toolbox

and i feel reason you see the mysterium tremendous this this devotion this sacred the sacred it is the heart and the soul of faith it is the primary life for faith reason is indispensable in guiding you to what is not that

but in itself reason cannot guide you to the mysterium tremendous but it can guide you on what is not that i don't i don't know but it's these i i really appreciate some of these things at this stage and i see sometimes some people you know hating this is another thing on certain people on online and i i that's another topic there's just so much conflict there's so much conflict

yes people let me see if there's a super chat and i'm going to um share the link and if anybody wants to where's the invite you missed the super chat let me see um i mean how did reason lead you to oh wow so that just see allahu akbar see how the souls are connected that you asked a question about reason

and i didn't even read your question and yet i spoke on reason how did reason lead you to choose islam over the other world religions or even new age spirituality bless you and and and that region i mean right i feel that

faith is not this is the thing that faith is not chosen by reason faith is chosen or pursued is a better word by the phenomenon of the sacred or the holy so it is more something it is thulk it is something experiential but reason then guides in what that is

not to be so reason guides in filtering what is not to be the sacred but in and of itself i feel it cannot truly in an experiential way arrive at the heart of the sacred it can guide you to it by excluding what is not from it but then you must there must come a

point where you must taste it if you don't i feel that you couldn't you know it's in some ways some mystics they they use the hadith i think it's an art analogy metaphorical analogy to use here even if you know it may not be um right it's they speak of the the events of the raj the is

and what they say is you know the famous hadith that jibril is with the prophet and they reach a point of lamakhan of no further point to be this infinite and the prophet is to step forward

and he looks at jibril to step forward with him and jibril says that if i pass this barrier etta i will be set ablaze and burn i will perish

but you can and many mystics they saw as a metaphor that jibreel is the archangel representing the highest of intellect and reason that it guided to god right up until that very point and the prophet salallahu salem as a metaphor being the embodiment of ultimate spirituality that to that point they were

there and it was guided but then reason it was not to be a reason realization it was to be an experiential a tasted a lived realization i think that is so profound as a metaphor um yeah obvious that's for people who understand or like these um this kind of discourse i've got some people joining on let me

i can't right okay these all right so somebody said muftis what about you see the meeting of ibn rust is that not the more i reflect on that the more it makes sense to me that they were not you know as even a rushed he is so pleased when he asks if not ought to be that he just says to he just looks at him doesn't even ask the question but it's understood that do these

and he says now that that do they are they congruent the paths and then he says la and then he says and between that yes and no the souls are dissipated allah i feel that that's um i've got a clip on that to watch that um let me just see this one question then i'll bring on some i've got some uh adam a shukran much love for the super chat can you discuss the

characterization of objects and animals in quran and hadith i'm not sure what characterization means here what does characterization mean um characterization of objects and animals i don't understand that so apologies i i don't get that um [Music] right so somebody says you missed my super chat oh uh dcx views on lgbtq i mean i've got detailed videos and look it's it's

things i've answered that this it's a way of life that people if they have it they have it you know you don't need to go around uh it's like imam malik when he was asked about incestuous marriages do we we have control over it prevent them do we condemn them do we he said no he said it's if it's their way of life it's their way of life you just live your way of life you know it's not you don't need to go around condemning it you don't need if it's their way of life it's their way of life you know it's not so i don't know why there's so much noise and commotion

about all of these things i do feel i agree that there is um there are certain things that i do agree on condemning and that is the um what i feel is an inappropriate exposure of young children to a um a kind of programming where they want to teach children that are so young like five and six about sexuality and they want to teach them about sexual intercourse and they want to teach them i find that grossly inappropriate

and i feel that kind of stuff should be condemned and i feel there's no harm look if they want to say people want to say look and in society there are some people that live in this kind of a relationship which is a homosexual relationship fine you know because that is the case that is the reality in society there are people who live like that so if you say that to children that's fine but then i don't see why also it isn't why people get so reactionary when we say well and in society there are people who live in polygamous relationships as well and peop people in

fact i had a clip it got i mean it was it was an old clip when i say old as in it was definitely a few months but it was just uploaded recently on polygamous relationships and it triggered a certain amount of backlash almost and and i and i find that as well i find that quite strange that it doesn't mean that people need to do it but it's just that well you know is since we we are accepting every other paradigm of relationship in society because because this is and if it's just that relationship level i don't mean that the the kind of exposure of

the the detail of sexuality to children is grossly inappropriate but if you're simply just saying that look and in society there are uh certain people who are like this okay which is a reality there are that's fine but if you're trying to somehow indoctrinate them into becoming into like you're trying to overly represent trying to misrepresent all of this then i feel that's wrong these are just young children just leave them alone like you know sure when they maybe in their final year of of junior school of primary school

and and when they go into secondary school teaching them that fine sure i mean that's like a 10 year old 11 year old child it's fine you know you teaching details but teaching details to a five-year-old kid i i i don't personally agree with that i feel you're over he said to me it's not right i think just leave people but at the same time if you're teaching to condemn bigotry against homosexuality and to connect that's fine that's good because this is true there are people homosexual people in society there are people like this so so people if they're teaching that look

by the way some people they live with you know let's say they may say some people live with two moms or some people live with two dads or some people that is happening in reality so fine and the and that it's wrong to say things to people like this it's wrong to kind of abuse or to try to persecute this is wrong fine of course that's wrong categorically to be abusing people or to be saying things to them so this kind of stuff is all you know if but then i do think well you know these same societies that say that then why is it that when we say well

okay what about the the polygamous paradigm and they find that so oh no that's like medieval well why is that medieval like why is why is that not a paradigm as well in saying and in society there are also some people like this but it's yeah i i don't know so that's but look as far as the countries are concerned these countries are not muslim countries this is a way of life that people have and as imam malik said they they are entitled to their way of life you don't get him you you don't you do not condemn

you don't get involved and condemn them saying you guys are so like let people be they're not con they're not getting involved in your life so just let them be that's that's what i say that and don't worry about you know sometimes some people get insecure thinking oh my god if if maybe we're all going to turn homosexual then let's relax it doesn't work like that it does not work like that okay but the world is not going to become just homosexual because some people are homosexual it's okay you know just so i think the homophobia needs to be got ridden off imminently and

immediately they should never be homophobic never be this hatred because look at imam malik being asked and let's be honest that is something pretty disgusting on all fronts incest and you can understand how that that would evoke a kind of immediate disgust in people clearly even in this day and age in in the west it would clearly evoke disgust but in fact i'm pretty sure in the uk it's illegal as in you'd go to prison i'm sure i'm sure it's still i think it's the law here it's the law in many

western countries that you go to prison yet look how forward thinking imam malik was when he's asked he said that look we don't get involved like if that's their way of life like we have our way of life they have we don't but look where they could have got involved because the muslims had power still no he said he said no don't we don't that's their way of life that's you know so cool i hope that helps

marx no teachers are teaching sex to children it's reactionary fear-mongering sure i hope that that's correct i mean i hope that's great see i don't i'm not i was a teacher many years ago almost a decade ago um i quit almost about a decade ago now so prior to that i was involved in schools but i've not been for many years now and i have heard from some people in some schools there has been i have heard this so allahu alam i'm not saying it's a blanket thing across all schools in some i heard that there was like they they were going over and

beyond and this is why in birmingham there was a huge reaction and there were protests and all this i think a couple of years ago and then they removed it from those schools uh in that way because it wasn't from what i heard it wasn't just the teach and then in other places they're not it is just fear-mongering so yeah i mean let's people you know the main honestly i think this is it's just so important to sometimes just detach from toxicity and negativity just to kind of bring a calmness a lot of it is this you know this verse we

said today yeah this is insane it's so it doesn't even concern them so many times sometimes it may but many times it does it's like you practice you you do you let other people do them now just just breathe you know we need to not be it's difficult it's our fit to be reactionary but we need to try to

control that we need to try right refuge sugar and sugar and much love for the super chat roofie johnston may allah bless you i mean [Laughter] right let me bring on some live guest people and today's we've got here okay we've got ashiko rahman

all right let me bring up say that again sorry i was in your podcast before oh you're in my podcast before yeah johnny i was talking about johnny yes yes yes of course my apologies you

know i this last week have not been that well so i'm not 100 on point uh no i don't know but i'm just saying so this is why today if i'm not sharp or on point it's because of that so yes i do remember we spoke about john elia and his poetry mashallah how are you by the way how is how is bangladesh and were you from dhaka was it yes dhaka yes yes how how is dhaka right now dhaka is great but in syria and there is a huge flood yeah i heard about it we make dua make things easy

for everybody who's suffering especially in silent i saw the fl you know it's these things are incredibly they're traumatic even as a witness you know even if you see something because there's a sheer helplessness because i mean obviously you can send people can send aid and do but in the moment there's a you know there's nothing that can allah help them i mean and make things easy for them what is amazing that uh this time the social media spread so much energy that people many people came for content creators

many people madrasas madrasas uh were very helpful this time they even um organized a 100 cows for this uh it's islamic madrasas yes i'm you know i'm so happy to hear that because everything uh will be brought from silence so that the

that's brilliant thinking brilliant allah bless it i mean i mean you know i because i always thought that institutes institutions like madrasas should be i know it's it's a difficult one because they're they're studying but because they have thousands of people at their disposal and they have the ethos they should if possible leap to the forefront when it comes to humanitarian so if they can where it's near enough because it does so much it changes the whole image as well of madrasas like now

i'm sure people must be like wow okay these madrasas are yes like they're really doing something the people are criticizing before that uh the mullahs didn't really approach religious when it comes to such kind of tragedies but this time they are really being come forward i remember in the uk um a good few years ago i can't remember now whether it was i can't remember there was about five six years maybe more maybe but but it was uh a few years ago there was there was some flooding i think it was it was in different regions gloucestershire and different parts of the uk

and several islamic organizations they or at least a few got to the forefront like they went there so you had these people in the you know shalwar commies in their bars they were wearing the kind of you know highways stuff and and and they were there giving aid they were kind of helping to clear the water they would do and it really touched the heart of the people at that time that you think wow okay you know because let's be honest people they look at religious people even even in bangladesh they look at molvis and mullahs as like you know these people are a bit

backwards and and when you see these people at the forefront doing doing actual humanitarian work just changes everything it touches the heart and it touches here so allah but i'm really honestly really happy to hear that masha'allah now is here to ask you a question about sure a deep question a deep question [Laughter] this is what is fear comes here comes disaster

this is like i can hear that yeah go for it sure that is welcome i can this is where i can hear that morgan freeman voice that that was not a good idea as he will come to learn in the future right so yep so what is love what is love what is the uh essence of love and love now it's wondering that uh if love could be at its nature can be experienced by a personal level or it should be

experienced as a universal level like is it possible to uh experience love at a personal level and does it exist love at a personal level personal you mean just restricted to the personal or to just uh between two person um like is it uh can we call this love like uh tender emotions between each other what a name which means the lover by the way in arabic the question on our minds is tell us what's her name

[Laughter] of course so he actually pointed out a thing that he says that love is something you can't really do but you can become and this really triggered um i thought that yeah and uh what she gave me most that i was the anime uh which is named vineland

saga so here uh the prince name was kanut okay and so there is a word uh going uh so the prince was talking to a priest so the prince asked the priest that what is love the priest the priest actually said the love the love is discrimination love is what discrimination discrimination

hi hi hi so it's kind of like love is a kind of meter that indicates that someone is more uh more than a priority than others you know this this word by the way this is an amazing word in urdu it is like being beyond or out of oneself like being out of it but if you say selfless it means something else in english but it's almost like not in a fully conscious state there is a form of

this kind of being out of it in this conscious state is not without a reason haalib is saying and here the poet says that [Laughter] see the person says that he's telling his messenger he's telling his question he's the one who the message takes the message he says if they ask about my this state where i'm out of it they ask about it then tell them this

much tell them that we have just about that much consciousness that we remember that is that is the truth that is the ish that's the calm that i can the energy i can feel from you i actually come across your video from uh john ilia so i re uh slicers uh some of johnny less one so uh somehow your video popped up and i see a musty talking about john ilia

uh it should be something great you want john ilia you see if you if you want to speak about ish i don't know if john ilia is going so about love you the tenderness of love will be found with the likes of me

you know all these people is so great i i really understand it first you know like it is so great said to nominate once he said that you could take all my diwan if you gave give me this one poem of yours and it's about love yeah he says that in it he says and you know and one in one level this could be understood about god being mindful of god that

that when you are with me that you are with me when nobody else is with me and this there's another somebody had also kind of caught this message in that when i'm on my own i'm never on my own because you're when you're on your own you're with the beloved he says

[Laughter] you see on one hand he says that this world is full of so much potential that anything can be achieved in this world but then he says but you you know i could never have you but yeah besides that what can't be achieved in this world yes you remained unachievable that we are in such a state that whoever we meet we

only have only we have this peace to give yeah it is it is amazing that you see when there is because love i think it's it's i think it's an amazing topic because after consciousness i think it is love that really then shows us it it once again mysteriously guides us to god because first consciousness because it is totally like this you can't even begin with conscious where do you begin and then after consciousness love because where do you begin with love

like how do you define it the moment you you try to define it it's it's it's like you're trying to you know it's how john lydia he says he says he kind of he just puts color into perfume fragrance so meaning that you can't see it and you can't capture it but if it was colored you could at least see as it kind of dissipates as it goes yeah because what is because is love just simply care is it just simply but we know it's not it's more than that it's

yeah and it's enough to transform a person into a world where if you think about it look it starts with the other that with two people they fuse together to create almost this kind of explosion this atomic explosion of the soul in which the rest of the world disappears

nobody cares [Laughter] it changes everything it changes you know it changes a person's outlook on life they see you know there's that poem where the person says um he says

you know it's like that that you asked how am i in such a way that i had to say oh praise be to god you don't look but in a way through the other he remembered the divine yes that the believer is a mirror to the belief a soul in a way that you see that poem is tongue-in-cheek like he's trying to it is a bit funny but but in the sa on the same token he's showing that the other that the person he loved reminded him

to remember god without even reminding him yeah yeah moment is also one of the name of god yeah is the name of god yeah exactly and this is where some people believe that mean that a believer is a mirror of god they some mystics took the hadith to mean to mean that because it's a because that mean is one of the names of god so that it's amazing so you begin with this you see by knowing

the other you know yourself you become more self-conscious and maybe you know god to a slightly higher extent you know it's because you kind of forget like it's it's it's one of those things that will what doesn't it make a person do you know there's that uh this

that that what did we not do in your that we did the sabha of ayub and we did the crying of yaakov actually oh my god what how can i not recite what dr sullivan may allah bless him always recites please he he says on this about love where he says that

that he says that god loves us so much despite us being so disloyal to him like we you know this very few things are that wretchedly you know like kamine like the way it is insan is so disloyal there's a proverb that if you found a starving dog and fed him and took care of him and you know she gave him shelter he will not bite you that is the principal difference between dog and man but if you did that he will bite you after

that god loves us to this extent despite us being so disloyal if we were loyal just imagine what it would have been and then he has this line where he says this is a reply from god that dil that what you talk about the heart we would have we would have encapsulate engulfed your soul that dil

that this is you know but you didn't love us the way somebody truly should have loved that we would have you're speaking simply about your heart we would have we would have engulfed your entire soul but if only you loved us as the one ought to love what a name to go with the topic [Laughter] love it i love it how old are you i'm

21 i'll hit 20 you're gonna be 22. okay very young this is this is the age all the ish [Laughter] this is a new passion it's been epic sharing these thoughts with you and these emotions so shukran for joining us i'll take on one two other live guests and then i'll wrap this up today so shukran

thank you on instagram as well and i'll look out for your page always and i'll end with the poem of john that's a very profound poem and that needs a whole session to explain people yeah but that was you know john he had this he had a journey where he had a very interesting relationship

with god and he this is it's full you know it's in his poetry and it's i i it was i i feel that it shows to me shows he had a relationship with god some people try to feel you know they say no he didn't believe in god that's why he spoke like this but i think it's almost the opposite that sometimes you speak in a way when you feel you have that kind of a relationship i can go to that extent you you have gained the audacity to raise some of those questions you know like there's some children who they that's for i mean this is i'm not trying

to analogize this on to god but on this nature of relationships that for example parents would you know they'll look at tell them after the and there may be that one child that just doesn't care like he'll look like he's also it doesn't matter how angry if i ever i mean i don't get angry so easily but if i did she'll just still does not matter if the audacity should right yeah you stop right and some people just have a relationship like that and yeah but that's a whole different discussion for another yeah

take very good care of yourself allah bless you people that was ashikur rahman see the true lover of rahman that's what the name means from dhaka bangladesh alright people so and a very interesting discussion on what is love he's going to hit he's going to hit 22 off

the poem of anu agarwal to an explosion [Laughter] two in the deed ah there they're [Laughter] jealous we'll have to have a session someday just on what is love huh but let's bring in some guests whoa see feeling a bit i think i need to rest now uh we've got lucy wyn jones of ra lucy

assalamu alaikum welcome to rockette can you hear me this is why i'm pointing towards my ears i can loud and clear announce allen welcome yeah i'm fine thanks yeah i'm yeah i was just before your video came when i was busy preparing some slides teaching javascript um that's a programming language just for those who don't know but yeah i'm yeah i know like so you're teaching you're teaching programming yeah i i teach programming across the ages that my youngest student was nine

so no way okay so i've i've taught across the age groups you think wait relatively simple to learn is it or is it something complex and i'm not thinking for myself i'm thinking uh thinking more so for my kids i don't i think it's beyond me now i know like one of my top students was a very introverted person and had a good attention to detail so it does it does depend from student to student and i like how you brought that point in straight away so basically if

she hasn't got if she can't keep focused if so i'll because i think students had adhd traits and managed to be okay okay all right okay well okay i mean it's interesting okay you know what i'll i'll explore the thought i'll explore the thought but yeah yeah how have things been yeah um okay um okay yep yeah i'm just screen sharing so i'd like to screen share this okay uh if you can you can you see the screen yeah i i can't uh

oh right wait there no no i can oh wait here sorry let me add this oh it lets us add it here okay i've brought it up are you first what are you bursting for your first criminal record okay i don't know what we're about to share here people i want to apologize yeah this is the kind of it's like a deja vu moment going on and for those who all know this is this is uh right okay so what are we about to share here come on then let's okay this is an example of a website i did in under 10

minutes searching the image as well just before a lesson with one of my students because i like to demonstrate what i can do website wise before lessons and get my student to demonstrate their work as well but yeah so this this is a joke about partygate so yeah yeah okay does it do anything else the the page or is it just is it static or does it have any of the features life's too short why not have some fun yeah people yeah anyway it's it doesn't really have many other features it's just simple html

as you can tell that it says dot html but yeah this is all complex web stuff but yeah i'll just just end my screen sharing speaking of the internet and stuff i did type in the chat here that i'd like to discuss like social media echo chambers because social media wants to get you engaged as much as possible with its content so what's happened is like in america for example and yeah we tend in the uk we tend to hear about news from america because of it being an english-speaking country more so than we've heard about eu politics

and other sorts of politics now but also because also because america is where it's happening you know where it's because of of the position that it's held globally and so it's it's america it's you know it's not just even if let's say hypothetically let's say hypothetically italy spoke english or spain spoke english hypothetically we still would the news would still be all about america because that's you know it's it's the point of direction yeah yeah and i know like what the what the problem is is like the left and right in america has become increasingly

divided and i know like in a parallel in british politics is like the age between the different age groups is like the the older age group have tended to support the conservatives yeah this is my right hand so i'll do this with the conservative party whereas the young group have tended to support the labor and there's and it's just like politics in both the united states and the uk has been more divided than ever before and with the with the way that social media works sometimes young people are not engaging with old people sometimes in america for example the right is not engaging with the left and

people are going into echo chambers so they rarely get exposed to other perspectives and they rarely get the chance to have proper debates and i do find like i do find like just people i encounter on social media in general sometimes if you want to talk politics and stuff they a lot of it does a lot of people do resort to what's called an ad hominem attack which is invalid when debating because i know like when you debate somebody you meant to disagree with the argument you're not meant to condemn the person and you know it's just like the prophets peace be upon them they went through a

lot of ad hominem attacks like being called majnoon magicians and other derogatory names and major union in arabic means means delusional as in not right in the head so yeah so i'll just let nifty speak oh no no i mean i totally agree with what you're saying i think it's interesting that you see with um with the way algorithms and all these things work um i get it it's from a marketing perspective that they target

more and more traffic towards you based on your likes and preferences and that is understandable from a marketing perspective but what it's also doing is further deepening and solidifying these echo chambers because then to you it seems that this the whole world is just going on about this because every time that's what your news feeds that's what the you know youtube brings to you that's what and you think well everybody must be talking about so let's say you you know just started looking up i don't know let's say a particular issue and you started researching it and

now everything it'll just start bringing more and more traffic your way and that thing will become like the world and and you you also falsely assume that the whole world is also as engaged in this topic as you because every time you open youtube the videos are about that every time you open facebook it's about and there's people there's live people with different people with videos and so you're thinking wow this is so like it's from that side you can the concerns on the polarization but also solidifying those echo chambers

and taking people more and more in because you don't look in all honesty i do feel that look ultimately that it's it's not just i feel that look this is how it is there is no categorical good and bad in that sense it's not like people on this side are pure evil and people on this side are pure goodness it's not like that i mean people are just people you will find people that are amazing people everywhere it doesn't matter whether they're left or right or it doesn't matter whether they you know whatever direction whatever kind of party that they ascribe to you'll find goodness in them you'll find the same kind of kind-heartedness

but it's being you see it's it's this kind of it's not just the polarization it's the authorization the other ring the the kind of like oh those people are you know pitting people against people this is worrying as well because yeah because it just becomes any kind of you see any kind of hate and toxicity it's such a powerful emotion to play off of that is hate because it's so powerful you know we had this um we covered in one of our book clubs there was um of uh what was his name william hazlitt

he had this quote where he said that uh love with a little i'm not saying i necessarily agree with it wholeheartedly but you can see you know some kind of the truthfulness about it that he said love with a little indulgence gives way to indifference or even um like indifference or even disgust but he says hatred alone is immortal that like what he he's trying to say is that you see you can love someone but you can become fed up with them and you can become whatever and so and you can question yourself whether you truly love them but if you hate someone he was trying to

say well hatred is pure and immortal it's like it's like okay he sounds like he like he sounds fun but yeah the prophet muhammad islam said that that you're supposed to love moderately and hate moderately so do not love somebody excessively because they might become your enemy and do not hate somebody excessively because they might become your friends so i know like omar and abu sufyan they they eventually joined the

so it's just like it's just like that piece of wisdom goes a long way because i know like kind of yeah i have got myself into one fishy relationship don't want to talk about the ins and outs of it but where somebody did excessively love me it wasn't a romantic relationship it was a plutonic friendship relationship and it's just like it got overboard and that's one reason why i went the first time i'm hearing of platonic relationships going overboard yeah but it's just like it became obsessed platonically yeah you're my you're my really good friend yeah i know like it was it

was more than that because i know like it was with somebody who was older than me so she viewed me as a daughter which was a bit awkward but but yeah i know that that that has taught me the hard way you it's strange because yeah because i think as well huma emotions are so interesting because really a lot of our uh interactions are determined by our emotions but we may rationalize them and think they're actually based on reason and rationale and emotions are not things that we get taught how to control generally speaking and

and hopefully along the way we've kind of managed to have a group of them but some people don't and they don't know how to you know they they get carried they get obsessive they get weird they get and that's true because they they've just not understood boundaries not understood parameters not understood how to handle and very much like this verse we were speaking about earlier on today this is created agitated you know created in the state of volatility just not almost like just not calm still and stable like that's a goal they have to get to it

they don't just made that way but yeah yeah and also i know like there was there's some there's this christian i know who was who i've met through social media platforms and i know like she was telling me that there was some muslim trying to proselytize to her or give her dower and i just know like i told her that as as we're friends and stuff like we know each other on a different on other sorts of levels but i know like i mentioned to her like yes there's some muslims out there that do unfortunately go into dower internet rabbit holes whereby they think that

and i know like some people who sometimes when some people give down they do so in an aggressive forceful manner and i i can speak from experience as i used to be non-non-muslim and stuff that that's that's like the least effective form of dour not the yeah but yeah well no absolutely absolutely you're very right and yeah i think you know in the past as well people had um misunderstood something i'd said about that one and it was you see i was saying that there is an unhealthy

obsession with dawah and it's almost become a number crunching obsession to to almost like a members club we need more and more muslims i've converted five how many of you converted 10 he's converted 15 we've converted i get one convert every week i get and this is not you see to me this is not what the faith was about it wasn't a numbers game it's a it's a huge journey you know if somebody embraces islam like wow like what

that that's a huge journey ahead of them who is there for them with this journey who is going to help them who's going to guide them it's not because if we're just going to because what happens sometimes these converts can get caught up in these echo chambers like you said of sectarianism or those people are all deviants those are all deviants and and you know this is just poison it's like you've rescued a dying person from a desert dying with thirst and you're giving him poison as a drink you know it's like this is i mean as an analogy so

it's it's it is a shame and then what happens many of these people then they within maybe a year or two abandoned the faith and they they they unfortunately you know suffer psychological kind of breakdowns and sometimes go into you know psychological disorders because they because what happens is this the sheer isolation and abandonment because the many of these people when they embrace sometimes they're told to cut off all your family and so they already cut their own family off and then they just have a little hub and then that hub dictates to them that

these people are like this and if they start to question the people then they themselves in turn get abandoned and then they don't have anyone so it's it's it's very terrifying and so this is why i had said in the past that look i think that really we need to be more concerned you know as believers we need to be more concerned with our own self our ego with our state let's you know let's work on us don't worry about other people will see you and

the fruits that they see will will draw them to the light that you beam it will guide them but you see if if you're just simply trying to win them rationally let them see that wow what a what an amazing human why are these people so positive imagine they think why are muslims so positive why are they always smiling you know what's this secret i want to know what this secret is i want to i want a bit of that so yeah i also like as you were saying that some converts get isolated from their families and the previous social networks they've had like as in friends family etc

i am thinking that that's a trait of a narcissist to want to socially isolate people and um to want to um cut them off from their family and i remember when i heard from a hindu i know that oh in pakistan there's some feudal lords doing bad stuff to the hindu minority there and they're like trying to get some hindu girls to convert to islam and then they cut them off from their families but their families still want to maintain contact with them i was saying like this goes against islam because anyone who knows a thing or two about islam knows that we're not allowed to cut ties with our family and also

and also and and the reason why we keep family ties is because as you were mentioning earlier about the zoroastrians and stuff they used to practice incest is like in islam ancestors haram so the way we prevent incest from happening is by knowing who you're related to and how you're related to them and who your direct mahrums are these are it's fascinating you know there's a discussion by uh the great maliki legend of the 20th century ibn ashur who was one of the great muslim of the last century and just to for people who don't know i mean his tafsir is in 30 volumes and he

was the great sheikh of cetuna in tunis and huge everybody respects him regardless of sectarian denominational background he has a discussion on um the the kind of duties towards parents and he speaks about people who've converted and he says that what if their parents need money because let's say they short on money but they need money to buy alcohol

and he speaks about that it is still the child's uh duty to provide for them now people may disagree with his ruling i'm not saying you see i'm just trying to show the diversity of thought in islam i'm not trying to say you may say well you know i think that's wrong fine but this you know it's not just an anybody it's somebody incredibly trained in islam and he's saying that look because these people are not muslim so they are not muhatabu furu alcohol is not haram for non-muslims it's only haram for muslims

so they are just doing something which in the in their way of life is permissible so you are not here to impose islam on them you as a child if they need money he was saying that and you have it then it's your duty to help them regardless if if in your way of life what they're going to spend it on is haram yeah so this and this to me even if people disagree with it look i respect that people can disagree with it i that's their you know they're entitled i respect them for you know that's their opinion but what we have to respect here is the the length at which these great

ulama are discussing this to show the sense of like you mentioned this the bond of relationship with your parents with your family regardless of faith and regardless of to the extent that you may not even stand for something but they do but it's their way of life and you're still seeing your duty it's it's amazing it's so profound yeah yeah you see i think it's been really i've really enjoyed uh this conversation i'm just going to take on one two other people and then wrap this up thank you very much for your time and

you can anyone can contact me on instagram i've left i'll inshallah i'll leave my instagram link on the youtube comment section sure do that and it is just i it's like your name is and it's spelt like that lucy yeah with the hyphen and i know like my instagram hashtag is just all my name lowercase with no spaces and no hyphen i think it'll be like the only name like that i don't think there'll be i think if anyone's interested in learning website development or that sort of aspect of codiness there's many aspects of coding but yeah thank you for your

time yeah very welcome lucy take it right people that was lucy wynne jones uh and if you are interested in computer programming and learning script then definitely reach out to lucy on instagram guys um

yes [Laughter] somebody said uh if a few beers comes my dad said sugar and chicken much love may allah bless you you know look i i want to say just very briefly and then i've got some guests i'll try to bring them on uh just very quickly that look it's okay that there are opinions of views that we don't agree with it's okay it's okay that there are opinions that

we may but we may think are wrong but they exist it's okay and and we should you know i see this honestly as an amazing uh just such a beautiful strength to islam that he has such diversity and that we can celebrate that you know you don't have to follow it you don't have to agree with it that's the hallmark of intellectual civilization to be able to entertain an idea without agreeing with it

so and we we need to move away from this thing of well if i don't know the this and you know sometimes i i see ah people sometimes send me clips of oh look somebody's answering a question like this and somebody's answering and i try not to yeah see what i would say is that look if you're being i don't know because maybe sometimes i see that maybe some of these imams and scholars either they

are unaware of the differences of opinion or if they are away then i i don't know why they are stating that there's no difference of opinion on the mata i mean maybe look maybe they're trying to come from a position of of goodness but you know it appears allahu alam it appears that they just haven't come across the differences they just haven't read them

and maybe it's been so commonly taught to them in a particular way and that's look that we all need to learn we all need to you know we all need to keep growing okay so sometimes you know like in that hadith of love moderate in moderation and dislike in moderation because you know things may be different someday and so similarly when especially when we're in positions of giving any guidance on a matter

try to look into differences and even if you don't support them maybe just state what those differences are and you could say look you know some people have said this based on this and okay we don't support that or we don't believe in that view or we don't go with that but we go with this it's this false yeah clean that is being sold is false certainty and certitude and it's not there because infected is so diverse so many views you know you hear things and it's it's him you know it's a sad when you see stuff because you think

well hmm how can you be unaware of this which just reflects the fact that you're unaware of this and it can be all sorts of questions you know all sorts honestly from faith to right into worship and you know i saw this question on um somebody was being asked or praying with the hands at the side

and you know this sheikh said well he said well we know what the sunnah from the nabil kareem is that's to fold your arms and we ask these people we don't you know we understand you're saying it's imam malik but we're in the sunnah does it say ya aka karim i would love for these people to have a discussion with me

you know islam is so vast let's just take for a moment this discussion very momentarily i don't want to expand too much on it what is the ruling of holding your hands or folding your hands in salah if you say sunnah then if one doesn't do it shouldn't they do sujudu

nobody has ever said that you do so for not folding your arms nobody classical in islam in fact this is why they don't consider this from the emphasize or from from the emphasized sunnah in salah because there is not one not even one sahih hadith on where to place your hands in prayer not even a single sahih sari hadith it

must be clear and it must be sahih not even one now look at that that's such a you know wake up pill because everybody would have been told what do you mean i'm sure there must be so many there isn't even one check it out every single hadith on where to place the hands in praise either weak or it's ambiguous it's not clear so if you're going to look in bukhari it

does not say the prophet sallallahu alaihi some person said umir we were commanded to do this who commanded you now they may say well well that's obvious it's the prophet it's not so obvious it's not necessarily obvious and if you are commanded then surely it must be from the word or the salah if it's from the sun and of salah surely if you miss it out you should do sujuda why does no math have say you should do this

you take the other hadith in bukhari and he's saying about placing the hands on the hun but then what does the raw we say that rahul says i and i i believe he's talking he's i believe he's referring this back to the prophet as in he says he says that is that is directed as in he it is assumed sorry that it is like assumed that we we're talking about the prophet here

even if the hajjar says that had he not said that the hadith would have been okay but now it's like well hmm why is he having doubts why is he why is the person narrating the hadith saying it's most probably the prophet we're talking about here that the guidance is going back to it's it's it's not sorry it's not clear something as simple as where to place your hands should have been clear why do the other hadith say that when you do tak weed every limb went back to its resting place what is the natural

resting place if you're standing up in your hands or just wish it where should the resting place be so it's interesting you see now you take something like this let alone the fact that almost every madhhab had the opinion of holding the hands at the side so that it's clearly the maliki method it was in it's in the humbly method it's i believe one of the i believe it may be from the amongst the shafa here but it's in the humbly matter it was the matter of hosa it was the method of saying it was the motherboard the method of hassan

i mean how are all of these people not knowing islam and there's an epistemological so there's a discussion on this first of all there is no single sahih addition where to hold the hands in prayer not a single sahih that's why it's not from the clear sun and in to fold your arms it's recommended or they may say it's a lesser sunnah then you haven't a discussion on epistemology how is it that you think people learnt islam you think they learned islam from sahil

bukhari from abu dhabi who come 250 years after the prophet they learn to islam through the living tradition precedes the documentation of philip the living sunnah the living tradition precedes the documentation and the efforts of the muhaddith the muhaddithin project doesn't come into effect until centuries after islam feck was already documented imam malik in his time his muthavuna alone has

over 30 000 fata documented in his time abu hanifa's a hundred thousand messiah documented the feck proceeds i understand this those scholars who do not make that distinction between hadith and sunnah but then you need to one needs to highlight this in a discussion one needs to say that look

there are those ulama who drew this distinction because they are the early ulama of islam combined is probably what 70 percent of all sunni islam today on the world on the globe that's the the maliki methamphetamine and the maliki method is like three quarters almost of entire sun at least you're talking it is between two thirds to three quarters of entire sunni islam on the

globe today that's not like a small but that is a huge proportion is the overwhelming majority of sunni islam on the globe today so if you're looking at most of asia central asia and all that part of the globe you can see behind me all the central asia and all those populated countries are hanafi in phil and if you're looking at maliki most of islam in africa is maliki

and then you've just got the middle east and there you've got some hanafi like iraq and you've got some chef but still iraq would still probably be you know plentiful hanafi mother and then you've just got jordan syria and these small countries and you're going to have some shafe in egypt you'll have a mixture of shafee probably predominantly in egypt but then you'll still have hanafi you'll have maliki in lower egypt you know you you're going sorry in the saeed in those places so it's still looking at the majority of the entire muslim world this is how they understand islam that they understand

hadith and sunnah not to be the same but whether they know it or not but their books teach this so it's a big thing you know these things cannot be just oh it's not important it's very important you know and but yeah i digress we'll discuss that another day all right so

all right now let me use you've got zubaid ahmed has been waiting very patiently actually we have uh you know a few times on uh this uh instagram what your uh audio notes i

shared with you sometimes maybe you will about different and you know i followed yes your name on there is zubair as well yes yes of course yes yes no we've shared like several things i've not seen you before this is the first time i've seen you together so okay yes of course of course

it's very nice to see you on you know face to face as well like always you know my beginning is like i was a very you know a regular practicing muslim in back in i think around 2000 then i got caught up with the communism you know so i got caught up with the communist gang so they uh through some argument that you know the islam is like nothing there is no god or something like that then i went back to our uh malana side in the masjid and he said that i have done salsa and all these things when i

asked this question that i want to convert these guys into muslims so this mawlana shaykh said that you know i am coming back he is going for the prayers so the the friend who took me to the malayana they told my friend this guy is bhaji done what so this guy is kill this guy he's a menace for the society so after that you know i left islam everything i became in it but still you know something is inside me is like you know it was telling me that this pattern in the nature like you know he eats apples from the tree it comes

again so there is a intelligence behind it so i think i became agnostic and after that you know and i found yourself in some way i was on my journey it coincided and you know you you have transformed my journey now differently now i am well i think you are connected so you are taking our souls on that level as well so i just wanted to uh discuss you know something yesterday happened to me like uh you know when i i actually i am being transferred

from my side project to the head office so i spent there three three years almost so uh yesterday i received a call from that office that empty wants to see so when i sat in the car and started the car my heart started you know you know heartbeat like a uh upbeat like uh you know something like uh you know worrisome or something like that you know gabratu so i was thinking that why this my heart is like you know uh doing this because whenever you are meeting some higher person or some interview so your heart will start beating right so that was the thing but

i realized that you know i am seeing it from outside that this head is making this hard to be that something worse is going to happen so that was one thing but in the evening when and i clearly see that this is only the body matter this head is having some data and analyzing and you know expecting some stress or danger and just making this heart speed harder that something going wrong is going to happen but in the evening as i was leaving the colleague for the last time i saw that there was a sadness in my soul by leaving it was not bodily

so i'm just wondering you know this your emotion even our souls are prone to emotions or only the bodily thing so how what are your thoughts about i don't know if i could make myself here right okay i when you say the souls are prone to emotion i'm not so sure if emotion for example is the is the better word but that they do you mean in the sense that they they sometimes we find ourselves

driven by almost the soul or we find it yearning that it has a like an like an anxiousness to it like that you know if you feel angry like if you see someone doing something you are feeling angry this anger is purely your bodily thing because you are tuned something in your head that this thing is wrong so you are getting angry because it is against your brain but you know when you are connected at soul level and you are departing from that whole level it is not something which is you know in your head it is your soul if it is being departed from

your loved one so that is uh something i think this question is real deep but i for i'm not i believe no i believe that look we connect with certain people at our with our souls i mean just the very popular hadith that that the souls are kind of banded together in certain ways that mata are those that and and they they come to know now it doesn't explain how they come to know but those that come to know harmonized

now there's some discussions by certain people today uh you've got certain scientists certain leading kind of mathematicians and thinkers of the world like sir roger penrose and other people as well uh there's stuart hameroff they have some very interesting discussions on you see consciousness which i believe is a synonym it's of the soul now they argue that could it be that certain bonds that we create are through uh entanglement a quantum level so when you are very close to someone

something has connected now how does it connect now one suggestion has been it's connected through either physical or through the eyes that there's something that connects now you see family members for example or people who are very close to each other there's a there's several studies on they just know when something's happening like they don't know what's happening so for example something tragic has happened and the mother gets this anxiety all of a sudden and she doesn't know what's happened but she feels something's wrong and she'll you know contact find her children and and

something would have happened this kind of stuff there's several studies there's actually scientific studies done on this where they're trying to they can't fully explain it but the phenomenon exists so they see that there is this kind of bond they don't know how the bond is made but they know that this is happening i shared on a few occasions um the anecdotes of this one case where this brother who commits suicide and the day that his brother commits suicide the other brother who's under kind of 24-hour supervision

uh in a psychiatric kind of unit um he who's always very calm and very passive you know very friendly and does not have completely out of character on that day he gets up and he he kind of has this ah like and he breaks the mirror he kind of hits this mirror and breaks it and he's he's kind of frustrated and he doesn't know that his brother's killed himself but he only comes to find out later on like weeks later that oh his brother committed suicide and and and the nurses are quite amused at the like they can't understand that it's that date

that he acted out of character and he has this whole but there's so many stories like this where people feel these angst they feel a and this is a we would in faith terms we would say that is the connection of the arwah that the are connected now in a more let's say non people may you we can use the word consciousness as well that consciousness is connected but yeah i definitely this this is undeniable just because we can't fully explain it yet doesn't mean that it we all feel it we all feel it you know it's impossible to

deny that we don't feel that we have a bond with certain people yes yes actually you know i felt good things in the morning i felt this you know the uneasiness of the mind which was created by the mind with the memories but in the evening i i you know felt the soul level departing or some sadness in my soul i could because i somehow i can i can see my thing now if i'm angry i can get out of my anger and see from this view that why i am getting angry so i have i can go out of my body or something just for a brief moment not that and one more thing you know i

wanted to uh you know ask you about that not ask but uh the opinion that you know we are created from the almighty in this world and then we are giving uh we are given uh opportunity to create ourselves as well because if i see my being that is beyond my body if i take it out in my hand like this i don't know yes so if i took it out in my hand i can see my being how transparent it is how you know how selfish how jealous how you know full of anger full of you know hatred it is or how so i think in

my control how i create my being so it is very you know i i see that i am creating myself as i go along in this you know in many ways we're constantly recreating ourselves right throughout our lives and you know this there's a deeper inner self like or there's something in there that is always you know we carry forward with us almost this inner child that is still it's there and and that and i guess it takes a lifetime to truly get to know even yourself this is why know thy self is such a

profound concept and arguably it's the concept that leads you to knowing god you know man who ever truly knew himself or herself knew their lord so it's yeah very profound things for shukran zubaiji for sharing that and one last thing one last thing is that you know whenever i go out for a walk or i just i go out for a walk you know after one hour every evening and previously i was going to gym as well so i am always struggling with my weight so i'm just thinking that you know whenever i am in physical activity

intense i get this you know metaphysical thoughts or download that of profound nature so what are your thoughts about this when we are engaging in the game no absolutely yeah because this no because absolutely because these are called peak states you know some people call them a state of flow that you see the way consciousness works you don't you um you see that there's so many because there's layers to it there's layers of awareness sensation perception but you get into such a like a makam that you enter a state of some people

call like maslow uh you know the person maslow's hierarchy you would call them peak states some people call them a state of flow people in sport do it today they enter the state of flow like they're not even and if they were to try to become conscious it would ruin it and this is why people like dr rupert sheldrake they state that sports today are akin to some sports or playing them in a certain way is akin to kind of secular worship because it takes people into these these kind of peak states that they can't normally get into this altered state of consciousness almost it is an

altered state of consciousness so you're right hundred percent you know when you're in that moment and you go into this state and this you know it's like how people like they say in order you start getting this here and this incoming thing and this is it it's a state of flow and and you get your thought becomes hd it becomes so high resolution you become like your proper like connected in that moment uh it it is no short of a spiritual state even though the action you're

doing may not be so called spiritual you might just be doing sports or running or you might be doing any but the experience is a spiritual experience yeah yes this guy david gorgan very very very well known he has you know he he's saying that we are not utilizing our full potential because he has gone through some struggles and last thing you know i just want you to you know have mr bernardo castro on your show he's from netherlands and he has a good theory that we are living inside the mind of the god so he has like

if you know him okay you know send me his details and ask him you know if you know him if you can ask him if he's interested and then send me the details on instagram and i will inshallah reach out and connect uh with him but okay i appreciate it much love for for that may allah bless your journey and bless your day i mean people that was obeyed uh very interesting discussion and you know i would like to say as well that look um be right i've just clicked on something here right be gentle with people

everybody is fighting a difficult struggle they're not you know everybody's look each in their own time at their own pace don't you know people might come to you sometimes and they're struggling with faith they're struggling with it because they are taking it seriously like if they didn't even care about it they wouldn't struggle with it they'll just be like well you know who cares about this the reason it's bothering them is because it holds value for them

if nothing at least appreciate that and then it's a journey it's you know be look how the prophet sallallahu alaihi just always kept those steps with people that it's okay you know it's okay you know maybe this is the it's they could be now in chapter four of their lives and maybe in chapter eight or chapter nine something eventful is to come to fruition with their iman

you don't know it's like look at some of the greatest people in islam look at khalid bin walid radhillah against the muslims and yet the prophets his his his welcoming nature towards khalid bin waleed was to result in one day him being one of the greatest generals that the muslims would have

ever not in history human history he's definitely like in the top five generals of all time human history all these people i mean there's so many people but if you were to judge them or to scare them away or to hate on them see this is really you know when you hate something it's like carl jung saying that when you hate something about someone that just tells you more about yourself because really what you hate on somebody else is often a reflection of something you see in you

yeah yeah there's a be ruthless with systems be kind to people i mean i mean that is such a true true thing you know not like just be you know don't hate on people don't don't be you know that you know it's that same thing be gentle it it really what has changed the course of human civilization often what has changed the minds and hearts of people has always been gentleness

it's never been rigor and force and not the hearts and mind right we've got uh people we do have to wrap this up we've got uh two people waiting here let's have a quick little chat i've got muslim muslim i'm sorry how [Music]

i've communicated with you a couple of times yeah how are you keeping and alhamdulillah share your glorious thoughts with us actually i was uh listening to you and um you were talking about hadith you said that there is no hadith about the han yes to be folded or

so this actually piqued my interest and i wanted to share something that i um came across i have you know i usually go on clubhouse and i talk with people okay you're a man of great patience we do miss you over there somebody asked me why don't you come on clubhouse and i said because i appreciate my sanity that's a very interesting nonetheless it is a it is a venue for us laymen to learn and share ideas and you know listen to other learned brothers

so one thing that i have studied is about you talk about hadith that is sari and sahih so i looked into the issue of rajam you know stoning okay yeah so of course there is no um ayah in the quran that talks about that even in surah allah says

so do not associate anybody with allah and uh then i went into the hadith to see if there is any hakum from rasulullah i don't find any hadith that is as you said about somebody who's married mohsin to be uh killed if they are found guilty of

adultery or you know zinna and there's four witnesses to be for them to be stoned there is no sahih hadis like that there is one hadith i came across in in muslim uh i think it is uh one six nine zero i was going to say there are some in sahih muslim but okay yeah yeah yeah but the wording is very interesting with yourself the wording is talking about

it is not talking about and chapter 66 i think it's verse five it comes there in the quran as well and say it means widow it doesn't mean okay all right sure i mean um okay so right i mean this is such a big topic so i i i it's not one uh right now that i will be able to go into so much depth but just touching up on what you're saying so right so okay so they by the way the way they use the ib is in contrast to virgin

so they use it to mean non-virgin yes uh so um this is how this is how generally i'm just saying yeah of course that that's a different discussion but the the term that they use is bicker and thief so virgin and the non-virgin would be the the now i would write so okay this is i've not really explored this in that way that you're saying i've not taken apart all the hadith literature that is commonly found in the major books on rajam i've not done that um so

i can't but i have obviously read uh obviously like in one like when we covered the books and when we covered sahih muslim and all these there are hadith in the the general understanding that i would um go with and that certain uluma have taken is that you see that rajem clearly is not from the quran now what in sahih muslim there is a hadith that the jewish people come to adjudicate to the prophet so they say to the prophet we want you to judge over us based on our law

so and then it's the famous one where the person's covering the hand and the prophet says why don't you remove your hand and read the full verse and it says about stoning so many so several scholars do feel that this is one of the first time uh the prophet gets involved and there is but it is with the jewish community and it's about the law so the question is that here does this simply those people who took this they took this as a continuation of the torah saying that this is what it should be the stoning because look there is it's

in the torah and the prophet said it this generally the quran does not mention it and the quran does mention the the punishment at the time for adultery and he mentions it as a lashing and the and this is why certain scholars like abu zahra he highlighted the the problem and the difficulty in trying to say rajam was what the quran wanted because because what they say is that look well the quran the lashing is for just the unmarried people um and so he highlights that that's very difficult because allah

then continue because the married person is called by the quranic the fortified person they say well that's the wording now the verses as you carry on reading them speaks as you're speaking about the punishment for adultery it mentions the masanat from the slave girls that they have half of the punishment so he says well this doesn't well you can't give half a stoning so it clearly could not be talking about stoning and he makes it very powerful and there is also double punishment for the wives of the messenger in surat allah mentioned sure okay sure but but this point here

with these verses about the the lashing so um and then you've had certain there's a whole different discussion on trajectory hermeneutics that is that uh can the punishment change with the day and age and this is what several malikia felt uh was permissible and they and that's when you've got people like uh and the whole several magariba that came after him about 600 years ago that changed these punishments to different penalties financial penalties and and they said that this is what the sharia dictates it's not this is not what they they're saying we're doing this because of our desires they're saying this is

and sure people can say look they they got it wrong and that's their opinion but it's also an opinion and a way of looking at islam and it's also what some of the ottomans did solemn did as well hence it was called sonoma in the fifa but the and people may disagree with it but it's a way of thinking and it's the so it's it's tied under makassar so what you can i think as a summary as a very brief summary not doing justice to the topic is that well look the stoning is um is there

in islamic history and in islamic law it is there for the most part according to many let's say the majority of the people now there's a question how did it get there and that's uh so that's not quite clear how it got there according to several people so several people will say well because you see whatever answer you provide it then has a it raises more questions because people say well you know it was here the prophet said it but then you've got another hadith let's say

say namas or people transmitting from say normal that used to be in the quran and then well that raises more problems and questions than itself but then you can't but when you start answering that then this one can't be right because if people talk about this uh so that's also the old man and old woman and that doesn't say that uh even bigger problems than that it being in the quran but it's not in the quran so then it means that certain parts of the quran today are missing that were never the and then okay this phrase is a different discussion so okay well this has been

part of let's say it's been part of islamic law what most muslim history shows it was seldom ever practiced i mean it was because the ruling is that well to see it obviously makes it almost impossible because four people have to witness actual penetration according to the scholars so now that that's very really because normally when one person comes in and busts someone atti the person gets up

issue is about whether it is actually islamic so where is that demarcation of whether something could be called islam so so what what right so the question is this the question is it's clearly a part of islamic jewish prudence it's clearly a part of islamic law of the of the of the scholars but not of

so this is a different discussion so i agree with you see i'm not of the view that i believe that this was in my understanding this was something that was a continuation of the torah those people who kept it it was never in the quran and this is why it was from the akam and according to trajectory hermeneutics it was changed which is according to the maliki method and the likes of al-qasim al-burzili and and all the people that came after him that supported that view so i'm of that understanding so to me that this would not be applicable and it would not be a part of the islamic law but that said i do recognize that look this ruling is there in most of the

islamic faith and most of the islam now the question is how did it get the so most people will say it got there because of these hadith now the hadith are they they're not that the hadith hadith are they the question is that some of the hadith then it's not a congruent picture like they raise as many questions as they give answers so they do give answers but they raise more questions so one of them is saying well oh it began with you've got the incident of the jewish people coming one of them is saying no it used to be a verse of the quran and it disappeared one of them is saying well um and then you've got so what i'm

trying to say is it's not a congruent picture of how it got the but we know it's it's in the islamic with the majority of the people it's been the in application we also seem to know that it was seldom practiced they don't seem to like if you look at the of the whether it's going to be the andalusian or whether it's going to be the in fact in more detail which is still available today the ottomans which was therefore you know the better part of 7th century you you can see that in the the edicts are still there and they're being translated and people have done phds on them i think they only ever

found something like two cases or something so you can see that it's okay it seems to be the it doesn't seem to be there on the ground it seems to be in the books how did it get in the books well they say because of the hadith is it because well how did it get in the hadith people say well it's from the prophet no no it's from god no no it's from the torah and there seems to be some mixture and there seems to be some scholars about 600 years ago who said well no it was just part of the laws and the laws change and they changed they said this day and age it changed to financial penalties other days and in other times

it would change accordingly so you've got this whole plethora and the reason i'm mentioning that is i'm just trying to do disclosure of what stands as opposed to saying look nobody's ever mentioned people of course the majority of people have mentioned it let's let's be honest the question is that all of these are valid questions of how did it emerge what was the you know what fashion did did it come from god did it come from the prophet some people say no it came from the prophet somebody said no no it came from god it came in the quran someone said no no it came from the torah it was a continuation and did it was it susceptible to change some

people say yeah it was susceptible to change because say not suspends it you see because if it was the head of allah then it shouldn't be stopped at all but he suspends certain hadood let's say based on okay that's the chopping of the hand and other things but you have so you can see that well okay these things are subject to time frames and changes and so this is the summary um but you're right there's there's a lot of questions on how does it how did it actually how did it enter islamic jurisprudence it enters through these hadith but what is the uh that there isn't a pristine route

if there's there's a lot of uh there's a com mixture yeah yeah the the the issue real issue um i'm from afghanistan originally so it is something very closer uh to me because i have in my own life seen more than two uh stoning uh oh no i no i categorically i categorically uh categorically do not believe that this to be part of for centuries and this was never to me it's a see so i was giving the disclosure of this is how the views are now it seems

to me it seems that look this was a continuation of the torah for whoever thought it in the lifetime of the prophet it was the verses that were in the quran now it does seem to be that certain people may have thought that because the prophet uh ruled for the jewish people according to the torah on this thing that muslim that some people felt oh maybe that was also meant to be for us so it got incorporated into the culture so i do feel that was an ichthy had i i feel that that was not the the accurate position because the

accurate position was the quran the verses of the quran now it's not that those people let's say that did that didn't know those verses of the quran but it's that this understanding that they saw the prophet uh adjudicate be it uh uh make arbitrate for that jewish community based on the torah and they may have understood that well because the prophet did it now it's a this is the new ruling for us so

no i think that's a stretch because i don't think anybody that brought this ruling in brought it thinking they're doing shill they may have thought i think this is where it stems from it's from this case i think that case is you know that is case zero this is where it begins in my estimation it begins with the prophet arbitrates for the jewish um dispute that was taking place and this is case zero so the prophet is doing it so and the prophet isn't doing it they do it but he arbitrates for them they come to him it's in sahih muslim they say that this has happened he committed

adultery with his wife and blah blah blah blah blah we want you to you know you decide no you're not you don't say you judge uh according from our book so so it's that's the now and the torah stoning is clearly there in the torah so it kind of it adds up this would be case zero now certain companions who may have seen this happening now that the prophet said well okay this is it reading from not reading but had them read it in the text from the torah some people may have thought well oh maybe this is the new ruling then in islam so

this is where the understanding comes so it's nothing to do with shirk is to do with perception so just as so for example some there's a hadith about fasting now some person there's a hadith that the prophet is asked about kissing during fasting and he says uh it's it's fine and there's an incident where a young person comes and asks the prophet and the prophet says no don't do it and there's an incident where the person one of the people watching he says that you know what is this about the how come it was okay and here it's not you know you said don't and it was

the reply is or the understanding is that this was a you know a newly young very hot-blooded kind of excited person and it was just for him it wasn't that you know it's just basically safeguarding that this guy you know what just just fast out the day and then have at it but because in between you know you're not going to be able to control yourself but that wasn't said in the hadith in the hadith the prophet just said no don't do it so some companion looking at that just hearing that part might think well actually kissing is haram during fasting

because he only heard that part so it's not that he heard it wrong he actually heard what he heard but somebody who saw the other part may have thought well actually no the prophet said to this person you can do it so it's absolutely fine so you see it's it's with the understanding stems from so this is how i see it so clearly stoning i do not see stoning as part of islam in the sense that is it something allah has ordained i don't see as that at all i see that it emerged from the torah it was a continuation from the some people may have understood that and

it became a part of the islamic corpus of law of jewish prudence hence most people clearly found it very um uncomfortable found something not right unsettling about it that they set the bar so high that it almost became impractical to do and throughout like 14 centuries of islamic existence they there's hardly any things where it happens apart from where people have gone into barbarism and done it just like like you get the recent cases in afghanistan and these places where they were doing it

where you had a continued islamic civilization it hardly ever happens and in fact places like the ottomans they clearly redefined it uh just as in in the they redefined it as well and said that now you know this the sharia dictates that we change it with the day and age based on so clearly to me this was not something divine it was not something um you know that was and it's clearly not in the quran and like people like sheikh abu zahra say it goes against the verses of the quran so that's how i would understand it okay

i do understand that many people if you if you believe it's not from allah if somebody is doing it i know i feel it's clear i feel to to do that especially uh people trying to do that today like they are this is clear then i feel like it's good i would condemn it outright um regardless of it being in the field because the thing is that look even their fec has changed with the day and age so even you know the afghanistan for example hanafi the khan

has changed and it's very clear that look let's be honest it's very clear that the way that the feck had set the standards the rules nobody caught that nobody caught that like that is you know i i it's a very tough sell four people walked in and saw penetrate four people like come on because look this is this is what happens a person bursts into a room see somebody having an affair the moment somebody burst in people get up you don't see anything you just see two naked people at most let's say this is the best scenario and you know what they

were up to but you don't see it now that in islam is haram for them to carry out that hut it is haram but emotions get the better of them they want to practice this is all created by men it's a secular law you know with their eyes exactly is that that they have created that called islamic 100 100 but what i'm trying to say is even by their standards it is not what they are doing isn't even according to that they know that they're not you see even them trying to argue that this is in the fair it's not like that they are not

practicing that by any standard i heard this uh from javed he refers to chapter 5 33 that those who do facade on earth that i that they should be killed severely so one of the ways of killing severely is by stoning and he says that this is facade art so if somebody is raping then this punishment goes for the rape and he cites the case of myra and maris and mars gets stoned and maire is sent back home

so this is what the rambusap this is the thing now this is the thing you see the this whole hadith with my eyes and you know this whole thing um it is first of all very in itself you see that that's an interesting case because in that case the prophet said why did you not let him go you should have let him go yes they say it's in muslim hadith that they say that they where they uh they catch him because he runs away they catch him and they stone him and he says i'm sorry i didn't mean to do and they stone him he says i i repent and the prophet rebukes them

he says says why didn't you let him go so this is it that you see the hadith it's not that the hadith aren't there but they raise as many questions as they give answers to so this is why that this is why several people in the hambuli method felt that there was espatr that it was so it's you know it's not you see this is such a detailed discussion because it's not that the isn't there this is there in the fit but the fig has so many layers to it like this that then people ignore all the

other layers and and that's that's not a complete discussion then because if you're going to discuss hadoop first of all it's from the past then you have to discuss what they all said about what you have to discuss those people who said hud could be substituted you have to discuss those people who said all hudud can be dropped with tawba you have to discuss you have to discuss this then because it is part of our legacy of islam if you're going to say well we're just going to take this one thing and we're going to do this act of barbarism that any person who sees that act will have no doubt that muslims that they will abhor and hate islam till

their dying breath right it is so shocking i watched once a movie and i was so moved i mean i was i it broke me down honestly it was some iranian movie i think the something was it something of that like i've forgotten now it's iranian movie um was it about a lady called soraya or something sorry or something but it's it honestly and it was so oh my god i i watched it something like 14 years ago and or sorry about like 12 i think about 10 years about 10 12 years ago something but still now if i think of it it disturbs me

i i find this completely monafi for the rahmatan lil alam and i would say that look it's if people want to bring it as a fickle discussion i accept it as a fakely discussion i do accept that i'm i feel it's wrong to say none of this exists in the literature it does it's all there in the literature but then we need to have an open clear discussion on all the other iterations where people are saying like

we're having a discussion on because you've got to bring that in then and you've got to bring this but the principle is given to us if there's any kind of a dispute then i don't care about who said what then we take it back to allah in this result then you see the problem it's the same thing sure i'm with you i'm with you but i would say that you see the problem there is we never really take it back to allah and his messenger we always take it back to the interpretation of what we think a lioness messenger are saying and and that's

just the same it's always the the interpretation of what we think is being said as opposed to what is objectively being said because none of us have access to true objectivity none of us truly like we can just say well we think this is what we understand from this verse and it's the same problem so i feel that in that sense it's worth bringing all these discussions because all these people have said these things you know they've said like if you want to take it to the hadith then there is that hadith you know that toba does seem to be more it does seem to be uh impacting the same hadith with my eyes that the prophet saying why did you not leave him let him

go so this so it does have that discussion does have the humbly discussion then october and dropping all of hadood it does have the maliki discussion as well as the discussion on on all can they be substituted it does have this so when we bring all of this in also the discussion that are not simply not punishments not simply

situated in time so all the hadood that were mentioned in the quran was simply to begin with because the head is hundred lashes that's a hat absolutely no but this my point my point no i think bigger than that you see i think bigger than that is the definition of how the the the phenomenology of a hat and how a hud emerges not what a had is not as in is you see you're talking

about uh uh and also i'm talking the ontology the being of ahad that i had simply you see that the quran was going to only address the arabs with things the arabs already had it was not going to tell them a punishment that the chinese had for example it wasn't going to do that because they weren't chinese people so they were arabs that lived in a certain like it wasn't going to tell them to use a weapon that they only that the they had in scandinavia it was going to just address them with things that the arab climate had so it

was it was anchored and rested and nested in arab tribal society so the question is when islam expands beyond that and those norms have changed does the the day and age then impact the realities of those who do and this is what was saying six hundred years ago he was saying that the makassar of the shariah as islam spreads it reflects its environment so it's no and he said today in the maghreb we don't have that environment that they had in and he's saying this 600 years ago he's saying we don't have that environment that they

had the so we don't stone people today he says that this doesn't this is not the environment of the maghreb this is you know this is 600 years ago morocco and mauritania and that part of the world so he's saying here we do different things so this is what the sharia wants us to do not what i want this is his thinking now what i'm saying is all of these things have to be part of the discussion i have to wrap this up man sorry this is this is not my best morning discussion to have but it's it's been good will catch up on people i do not like getting into these discussions so early in the morning um

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