Thoughts On The Debate: Dr. Javad Hashmi Vs Robert Spencer | Mufti Abu Layth

Right, let's see. Mufti Johnstown, Mufti Abu would love to see you take your career to the next phase by debating non and ex-Muslims. So tired of seeing hijab and his crew doing it. Would love to see you taking up that slack. Uh, you see, I'm more about dialogue as opposed to debate.

And I don't think debate achieves much. Um, I think dialogue does. It's amazing. Speaking of that, there was a a debate I saw. And I don't know if I've already spoken of this. See, I can't even recall. I've I've missed a couple of weeks, so I don't know. But it was between Java, Dr. Java Hashmi and Robert Spencer.

And it is an amazing debate. I have to say I I stand corrected. You know, Dr. Java was speaking to me um before his debate. So I had a mind trap with Dr. Java before. He's from the States. He's um I believe teaching and lectures at Harvard or his PhD is from Harvard. So and he's also So he's a PhD doctor of Islamic studies, but he's also a medical doctor as well.

Incredibly talented. And we were speaking you know, way weeks before his debate. And I said I don't see any point in these kind of debates. I said that look, I why would you want to debate somebody like Robert Spencer who just you know, they're not interested in what you have to say. It's just right, you've said yours and I'm just on a monologue.

And then you say whatever you say, I'm just going to ignore it and bop bop bop bop. It's just like But I stand corrected. Dr. Jawad, really, honestly, I was super impressed. And I'm seldom impressed. You have to understand, people, my standards are a little high.

And I'm seldom impressed with people. But I was impressed with that debate of his. Wow. He came so prepared and so organized. I mean, the presentation. He had a PowerPoint. He had it categorized. He had it structured. He went through points. He soliloquized the other person's So, I know this is what you're going to say.

This is my counter response. This is my I mean, he wiped the floor with abs just wow. Honestly, it was about and and Check the Check the topic was um Christianity or Islam. Which is more peaceful today? Or something like this. It was something It was like a what I thought was an absurd topic.

Like it doesn't What's the point of that topic? And I just thought, you know, he's just going to go at it with all Muslims are terrorists, ISIS, blah blah blah. You know, his usual kind of rhetoric. And But I was really impressed. So, if you haven't watched that, I would definitely advise watching it. Dr. Jawad's Hashmi versus um So, that was a debate that I was Wow. And I And I had to send, you know, I had to reach out to Dr.

Jawad afterwards say, "I stand corrected." You know. You really, I think I think, yeah, this was it was really something. So, yeah. But me generally, I I'm I'm thinking debates, dialogues work much better. And ex-Muslims, yes, of course. I have had discussions with ex-Muslims and I'm more than happy to have discussions with ex-Muslims and um but I feel that, you see, you know, with a lot of

ex-Muslims and atheists, I don't think you see it's it comes to your perspective of Islam. And I think it's it's it serves them better to be from their angle to be debating hardliners. Because, you see, if they debate or have a dialogue with people like me, they can't really hammer many of their points because, you know, there's it's not going to it's difficult for them because they have certain points that they want to catch you on.

And I think that's very difficult with people like me because my views will be very different and they will reflect a different reflection of Islam that those those people don't really have many problems with. So, you know, like many of these ex-Muslims say that, you know, I that they have no problem with this kind of Islam even though they don't believe in it, but they feel that this uh I've heard people like Harris Sultan, he said publicly, other people that even though he doesn't believe in my my understanding of Islam or he's quoted Javed Ahmad Ghamidi but

he said that but he understands that it's a force for good and love and even if people, you know, he doesn't believe in it, but if people believe in it, that's they're not like he can't see that any issue it's just faith, you know, it's faith, agree or disagree, but it's not a force for any what they see as harm.

So, yeah, so this is why I assume people they they want something a bit more juicy. They want to argue against somebody who's going to say something like the world was, you know, the the earth is flat or they're going to say something like, you know, we don't accept science or we don't accept so they're going to say things so these people can you know stretch it out and make a song and dance of it I guess.