Keep Going | Meaning With MALM #18

right bismillah let me see people let me check whether we are live alright let me just do an audio sound check make sure i'm not a mute all right who have we got people we is live i believe we are anyway ah god

so uh firstly i'll just do a quick sound check just make sure the the voice is getting there mustafa awesomely

well in the last couple of weeks actually and so um yeah i'm still kind of recuperating recovering you know may allah grant each and all anyone that is recovering from anything a swift uh and complete recovery i mean yeah so i was i don't really know what it was whether it's the omicron um i did do a covet test but it came out negative but it was just i've been it's probably been about

two weeks now at least that if not over so it's been initially a kind of throat thing so it began with a kind of throat uh bug and sore throat and and then just a residual perpetual fatigue i can't even explain it it's like literally i mean you you cannot find the strength to just clench a proper fist like if you do it's just like it's not it just doesn't have the strength it's crazy it's madness so the only

frame of reference i had for it was uh last year um about this time when i had kovitz so that was the only frame of reference so but i did take the test and it said negative so i don't know and today i still wasn't ain't one hundred percent there but i thought you know what what the hell yeah let's go live and have some gup shop and see who's who's there and meet you or some people online so that's what it was um

somebody said i bet you can't beat musty tariq push-up challenge well in this current state i probably you know what even in this current state so yeah but i was feeling some strength come back to me yesterday and i thought why not you know sometimes you've got to kick-start the system i was actually thinking should i just hit the gym i mean i've not i don't even think i've been out in about

probably about 10 days i don't think i've but i thought you know sometimes you've got to just kick start something you got to keep going so what is going on i love you too allah keep you always graced with his love amin i mean um nora from much love for the super chat and yes people i have to say a big thank you to all of you that um

we have reached 30k subscribers you know it it is uh it is it is something substantial it is a journey and and you all are a part of this journey um as much of it as i am seriously i i have to say that it is something substantial and it may not you know it may uh may maybe eclipsed and dwarfed in comparison to people that have

so many followers and so many subscribers and they have hundreds and thousands and you know some people a million and two million and you know it's it's obviously these numbers are invisible next to that but you see our struggle is different our journey is different one has to remember that you know in this path of on this path this path that leads to the transcendent to god

it is incredibly difficult incredibly almost unfounded almost to make your mark from scratch it is almost unfounded that in the realm of institutionalized religion people can really rise or have a voice if they are not on the back of

denominational institutions and if they are not propelled by a sect or a group i mean there is almost nobody i mean it's very rare it you know that this things like this happen that people have an opportunity to express themselves and they've not risen on the back of a group because usually groups have hundreds and thousands and millions of followers and listeners worldwide and people keep

sharing and sharing and you because you become a a flag for that sectarian group whether they like you or don't but they bear some responsibility in furthering your voice and and you ride their wave the current and it takes you very far but to see so all the great scholars that you'll see i mean they even if they went independent later on i mean and this is not to cast this is not to you know detract from them but you could take the great uh

the greats like uh or you could take any um you know great a person with so much following and it will only be because for years they were they were pushed by a sectarian denomination and this is not to detract i'm really glad that the likes of shaykh hassan khadi have kind of tried to break away from these you know sectarian values and but yeah but for this has been a journey so for me this is incredible because you know in the face of many that would say this can't be done

that if you don't attach yourself to a group you can never your voice can never be heard i would say lil el hand you know we have we have done it and so it is as small as it may seem it is huge um and i'm sure in the eyes of god it has its true value i mean these words the these are the the mantra

this is the motto that i set off alone on this path but people joined along the way and thus it became a caravan right so what have we allahu akbar now waiting at a vaccination center raheem san juan you're doing it yeah you're doing it i haven't had my third job yet i think actually i think i'm booked in i'm booked in to have it so yes i think i just got the the thing today so yeah but i i feel that this

definitely what i had i'm pretty sure was the omicron it sounds like a transformer or something deathtron megatron death 3000. yeah so all right clear ah alright always a pleasure uh why do you do these so late allah you see it's all a matter of perspective one could ask why do you do this so early

much love much love i was thinking today just doing um you know just just really a bit of interaction bringing some of you guys on keeping it in real in relation to my regular streams much you know more i mean much briefer shall we say easy you do in it yeah you do and it's shukran much love um let's see

see this is why i came on i thought you know what scorpio you doing i thought you know what let's see you amazing people man honestly um see very few people you see now that this kunya abu umar it's a common i mean it's not something it's not a unique name omar is an incredibly common name

yet seldom has it been that certain personalities in our heritage have had such a common name yet they are the only ones that come to mind when you say it so if you think about it like a name like abu abdullah abu umar abu you know these should be common names of muhammad but when you say abu umar there is just the one and only people the heavyweight allah of the muslim western world of the past the maliki don ibn the hafiz of

of his age so when people say abu umar ibn abdulbar is the first person that comes leaps straight to mind he passes away in 464 hijri i believe and he was known as the hafiz of the western muslim world a great friend of ibn hassam al-zahidi from muslim spain but coming to this azadi your question what's your thoughts on tabli jamaat being banned in saudi arabia right i did hear something about that yeah i they put them as extremist

i was i was shocked i mean unless i misread it i did read some way that see because you know these last few weeks i've been in i've had this kind of like a brain fog and i've not been i've been terribly slow the other day i was you know i was making coffee and i was kind of putting the cup back on the kettle holder and i was doing everything in reverse i was like what the hell am i doing so uh yeah i did read that um i've read that uh they prescribed them as a extremist

organization i mean if that be correct i mean if if this is as i've recalled then that's not right you know the leaky germant are not an extremist organization and yeah i i don't think that makes any sense um they are definitely very peaceful incredibly peaceful people um you know sure they may have at a level they may become cult-like okay so there's a level where i think

they are beneficial immensely for people like they first of all they have amazing character you know so hospitable great manners they often you know one of the things that characterizes them is that they i don't you know it must be amazing training because they always smiling and that is the character of a believer allah so you know this and and for people who are at a certain stage in life that are so you know not acquainted with the faith they can be an amazing platform for them to learn the

basics you know to take them away into an environment and they teach them salah and they practice it and that's all they do for three days or ten days and then they come back and but it does get a stage where it becomes cult like and so you are discouraged from moving away you are discouraged from entering into other pursuing other ambitions and and so yeah they they may have you know they have that but that doesn't make them extremist and we must you know as the the maxim the the kind of

the canon in generally of values is that and this is the the lesson from the quran as well that we give each they do and so they are not extremists and i so i don't know how they arrived at that because they definitely couldn't have been looking at the leakage [Laughter] how they could deem them as extremists that's totally [Laughter] right so

right let's see most john stockman muftibal would love to see you take your career to the next phase by debating non-and ex-muslims so tired of seeing hijab and his crew doing it would love to see you taking up that slack [Laughter] ah you see i'm more about dialogue as opposed to debate and i don't think debate achieves much um i think dialogue does it's amazing speaking of that there was a a debate i saw and i don't know if i've already spoken

of this you can't even recall i've i've missed a couple of weeks i don't know but it was between java dr javad hashmi and robert spencer and it is an amazing debate i have to say i i stand corrected you know dr javad was speaking to me um before his debate so i've had a mind trap with dr javad before he's from the states he's i believe teaching lectures at harvard or his phd is from harvard so

and he's also so he's a phd doctor of islamic studies but he's also a medical doctor as well incredibly talented and we were speaking you know way weeks before his debate and i said i don't see any point in these kind of debates i said that look i why would you want to debate somebody like robert spencer who just you know they're not interested in what you have to say it's just right you've said yours and i'm just on a monologue and then you say whatever you say i'm just going to ignore it and it's just like

but i stand corrected dr javad really honestly i was super impressed and i'm seldom impressed you have to understand people my standards are a little high and i'm seldom impressed with people but i was impressed with that debate of his wow he came so prepared and so organized

i mean the presentation he had a powerpoint he had it categorized he had it structured he went through points he soliloquized the other person's so i know this is what you're going to say this is my counter response this is my i mean he wiped the floor with uh perhaps just wow honestly it was about and [Music] check the topic was christianity or islam which is more peaceful today or something like this it was something it was like a what i thought was an absurd topic

like it doesn't what's the point of that topic and i just thought you know he's just going to go at it with oh muslims are terrorists isis blah blah blah you know his usual kind of rhetoric and but i was really impressed so if you haven't watched that i would definitely advise watching it dr javad hashmi versus so that was a debate that i was wow and i and i had to send you know i had to reach out to dr shiva afterwards say i stand corrected you know you really i think

i think yeah this was it was really something so yeah but me generally i'm i'm thinking debates dialogues work much better and ex-muslims yes of course i have had discussions with ex-muslims and i'm more than happy to have discussions with ex-muslims and um but i feel that you see you know with a lot of ex-muslims and atheists i don't think you see it it comes to your perspective of islam and i think it's it's it serves them better

to be from their angle to be debating hardliners because you see if they debate or have a dialogue with people like me they can't really hammer many of their points because you know this it's not going to it's difficult for them because they have certain points that they want to catch you on and i think that's very difficult with people like me because my views will be very different and they will reflect a different uh reflection of islam that those people don't really have many problems with so you know like many of these ex-muslims

say that you know i that they have no problem with this kind of islam even though they don't believe in it but they feel that this i've heard people like hari sultan he said publicly other people that even though he doesn't believe in my my understanding of islam or he's quoted jawed ramadisa but he said that but he understands that it's a force for good and love and even if people you know he doesn't believe in it but if people believe in it that they're not like he can't see that any issue it's just faith you know it's faith agree or disagree

but it's not a force for any what they see as harm so yeah so this is why i assume people they they want something a bit more juicy they want to argue against somebody who's going to say something like the world was you know the earth is flat oh they're going to say something like you know we don't accept science or we don't accept uh so they're gonna say things so these people can you know stretch it out and make a song and dance of it i guess

right right right let me see what have i ruffy johnston shukran shukran much love for the super chat salam mufti is there anything about islam that you think we are not ready to know about that is a good question um that is a good question i you know what this stage where i am in life i don't feel that there is anything

that is problematic of that level or anything i feel that people can always try to find problems in anything but it's nothing of a [Music] you know of astronomical proportions that oh my god you know what would what would people do if they knew about this i don't think so i mean there's nothing that comes to my mind there was a time probably about i think maybe it was about

ten years ago nine years ago something i remember making a list of all the things that i found either somewhat problematic to terribly problematic and i mean there wasn't that many things but there was a list let's say there were a dozen things on there or 15 things or 20 things but i think over these years i've answered them all and so i don't so nothing comes to mind i mean they include things like the obvious things that people would

have pointed out the age of aisha that people would have pointed out about problems certain verses of the quran how they are reconciled different perspectives on you know reconciling science with islam evolution [Music] looking at things like [Music] even certain stories in the quran story of all of these things they maybe about 10 years ago i when i made this list i i put things on there that i was

somewhat i was trying to get my head around and understand you see it's easy to just give lip service but i wanted to genuinely understand them and i wanted to truthfully be true to myself not just pretend in front of people but over the years i that list has been answered ahadith in bukhari and stuff like this and so i think i've kind of done all of that i don't know if there's something please mention it and i'm not saying i have the answers to everything i'm just saying that this is it's a struggle we're

all a part of and but really you see faith is bigger than all of that there's a i was watching jordan peterson's uh discussion with uh what's his name dilla hunty you know will uh de la hunty i think it's dilla hunty i'm not sure if i'm pronouncing it correct but he's he's a known celebrity atheist it's fantastic i mean it's it just it just shows that you see faith and the thing is in that discussion there

were so many things that are left on you know unattended to because jordan peterson opens them up in response and then he gets distracted and then he doesn't get to finish them and but it just shows that one of the themes was that faith you see everybody fundamentally is carrying an element of faith and i love the the theme that is pointed out because what de la hunty is saying is that what will is saying is that him and other celebrity atheists they

kind of agree on some fundamental axioms these laws that look life is worth preserving and so for example on the least amount of suffering and trying to acquire the most amount of ease or and these certain what he says reasonable people can agree upon and there's a an incredibly important question that jordan asks him but he then gets distracted and he doesn't get to push back on it again as much as i as much as i wished he had because he says that well what makes you

you see you take that you're taking that presupposition for granted that life is worth preserving he says well why is it worth preserving and and even though will kind of cracks a joke about well you know because being well-being or if i'm not being then what's the point of well-being and that if anything is simply just a linguistic kind of tort it's not answering the question because you see there is deep within us ineffably inexpressibly

a belief in the sanctity of life that there is there's something sacred about this and this is not something that we've reasoned it's as though it it comes echoing from a force much greater than us and the truth is that why are why do we assume life is grand is is worth preserving because if you say well that's just common sense it's not like let's say from an alien perspective we are just these kind of dots

that are just doing anything i mean to them we could be like pixels on a screen whether this pixel goes is used or is destroyed and replaced with a another pixel and it it makes zero difference whether the pixel thinks it's important or not is irrelevant and i just thought that was such a profound you see these are the real true questions and yeah it is something you see there's so much we do take for granted and i think this is where

even atheists even people who you see they don't they openly reject their belief in god but ultimately there's still this kind of belief or we i'm assuming there is a belief because they say that look i okay i don't believe in god but i believe in a set of values and the question is well that's very good but these values you hold to be inexpressibly

or sacred like everybody should uphold them that they are greater than you that so for example to be a good human being why is that uh something that that people want to pursue that they say even if i don't believe in god so secular humanism uh they will say well this is it promotes the welfare for humanity it does but you see when we act out on it in all honesty we're not acting out in a utilitarian sense that's more rationalized we're acting out much more instinctively that it's much closer

to the heart it's echoed by the soul and i feel that this is so when people they may have descriptively jettisoned god and rejected god but in many ways they still believe in a deity of other means that they're just not it's still serving that purpose except they're not maybe their relationship with with the deity is different to how other people may have a

relationship with deities yeah these are i think you know that this new age kind of celebrity atheism is facing or is is definitely here is facing its challenges because it's already shaken the but that's happened you know the great hitchin and uh early sam harris and the four horsemen and all these people have been and done their thing and they've shaped the tree and it's been shook hard but

you see what now so yeah um how can i send you a christmas gift if it's a pair of gloves [Laughter] i don't know why a pair of gloves but sure please shukren chukrun beautifully said see the dialogue build bridges yeah we really have to promote more of this

um i think we really have to promote more of this you know of of bridges and love we really have to i mean what's going on mufti have you seen the jordan peterson podcast and muhammad hijab i haven't i just saw clips of it um so i haven't seen it yet i will insha allah i will watch it you know look

some people have said that you know they they they don't like let's say a muhammad hijab style and and and myself as well i see a different avenue to the kind of approach that people like muhammad hijab have but that said he obviously has a huge following he has a huge standing amongst muslims and you know many muslims they like that

unapologetic almost like bravado stunts they like it and and these somehow resonate with it and you know from what i've heard about this discussion that he he's he's kind of carried it off he's been very confident in it so that's you know definitely a strength and he is still very young as well we have to remember and he's you know he's definitely making huge strides obviously i as a person i would wish he

does kind of see more of the voice of reason over time but i think he will i think unquestionably i i genuinely i do have i know people i said once i think last year when i spoke about muhammad hijab that look he's very intelligent i i wasn't actually sure how old he is i came to learn this year that he's actually very young he's only in his like 20s i thought he was at least approaching 40.

this is how i pictured him so he's very young and he's got a you know a long road ahead of him yet inshallah and hopefully look i think you know with age people will see certain things that they didn't see before so there's a lot of hope insha allah i do hope that he and i and i genuinely do have hope that he will i think there will be a struggle for people like muhammad hijab in the future because i i can see a very similar thing like shaykh assad taking place in the years to come that we

he will probably you know want to distance himself from certain views that he said before and then you know the same kind of struggle with the crowd and being dictated to and i think that's a challenge for any person who is taking up social media you have to really understand if you take it up and it takes you up you see you have to remember that people like like i mentioned earlier on today most religious people they they get a wave a wave carries them and you have to be

careful because then it will parameterize your trajectory because if you start to change your trajectory then you get a severe backlash but we inshaallah you know we we extend inshallah love to iron hope you know may people of may people come closer to a path of you know a path of hope for people that's that's the and away from this kind of away from this um

just shouting and down at people and yeah because i think people are just they've kind of grown out of this now and too i'm fed up of it um how do you differentiate between original thought and thoughts that are not truly yours the ones you take from societal conditioning education etc what a profound question that is definitely a profound question i guess in many ways

you see once they are part and parcel of your psyche they are your thoughts and in many ways you see we have original thoughts but maybe they are you know they are being dictated by forces and by context and by i don't know conditioning and precognition and we don't know the unconscious and the collective unconscious like we don't know why we

get certain thoughts at certain times but i would say if you have them and they and you kind of fully take them on they are your thoughts now if you believe that yeah they are your original thoughts you came to deal with this naturally some people would have shaped them along the way i don't think it's fraudulent in any way if if it is your what you believe to be your original thought um but i guess you're right in many ways all of our thoughts are being shaped some way but then they are unique as well in many

ways they have their own nuances maybe something somebody told me when i was 10 years old is now shaping the way i see something so does that mean it's not my thought yeah it's difficult but i i would say that it it's not fraudulent to claim the thought is yours if it is yours but naturally in in the small print your thought will be an amalgamation of you know

of exponential causality so there's been so many things that are happening that are triggering other things that are triggering other things that are triggering you and so you may have indirect but i thought that's a very profound question though uh a hijab show was a bit of a disappointment his stance seemed me versus you for no reason yeah i think we have to grow out of this um

you know trying to win people over and i i so i haven't watched this like i mentioned i haven't watched the hijab versus or hijab with jordan peterson discussion yet but i saw a five minute clip somebody sent me a clip where he's reciting the quran and and then jordan peterson says to him well why did you do that and and then he explains i wanted you to experience it and and i think there was mixed emotions about that people felt you know that was unnecessary um because i think muhammad hijab then says because basically

i would like you i mean he doesn't say in that but he kind of says that the purpose of islam is everybody should embrace islam and we're hoping that you or listeners will hear this and maybe they will embrace islam i think that's the kind of gist of what i heard um i think this kind of thinking is although i think a lot of muslims did like like the clip i saw the comments were like people were like absolutely wow that oh my god if jordan peterson became muslim oh my god just imagine just [Laughter] and i think we have to stop

fantasizing and fetishizing um the convert phenomenon okay we have to stop we have to be proud of our own faith it's not look let's be realistic i doubt it obviously allah can you know can guide whom he wills and we obviously it would be amazing if let's say jordan peterson embraced islam obviously that would be like whoa i didn't see that coming but you know i doubt it that's given the current if series of events that that's really on his current agenda um but islam

we don't need people to embrace it to feel good about islam islam is not about feeling good to start off with it is a faith it carries you if you need it validated then you already have a problem with your faith and you need to do you need to take that up somehow you need to deal with it by me thinking you know oh if you know i don't know if will smith became muslim then i would feel really good about islam or if you know i don't know

amitabh bachchan decided to become muslim i mean sure you know if these people become muslim alhamdulillah you know and this is a dean of mercy love and compassion but but i don't we don't need to be trying to feel good and we don't need people to validate our faith and let's just be honest let's be honest now this is a bitter truth if somebody like jordan peterson became muslim and anybody that's watched jordan peterson knows the kind of person he is i think he's an amazing individual now he's currently a christian and have you heard him speak how he speaks about

christianity he doesn't speak like you're common christian he doesn't speak he speaks all about metaphorical truths and he speaks all about these kind of metaphysical kind of substrate of messages and how these are anchored in i mean his way of understanding religion is is very jungian okay and i admire young kalyan and i you know admire that i'm in fact currently still going through one of my diplomas uh or brief diploma in in junior psychology but look let's be honest if somebody like

jordan peterson embraced islam within a year or forget a year within a short span of time he would be called a kafir by most muslims because they're going to say well sorry you know he's not part of this sect and i mean at first they'll just celebrate it and be really happy and it'll validate them then afterwards they'll say well you know he's not upon the correct man you know it's not then they'll excuse him for a little while until because he's the new convert and he's excusable and he's the token popular white guy so they'll use him but then when he starts

to have opinions of his own about islam first of all they'll you know as they say you take him by the hand and you give us you know you do not you are not one of this tongue i'm afraid you cannot have an opinion on islam but then when he starts to have a few opinions then he'll be like brother you need to you need to change your name to abu uh and with all these extra vowels and you need to start wearing a hat on your head and you need to oh you don't pray every day

and then within a short span of time he'll be called a zindiq and then a murtad and then a munafir and then so what let's be honest i i i heard about allahu alam who's the other who's that what was his name that is it something lame was it william what was his name there's a this person popular person embraced islam and he's got one two snippets of amazing um you know he's saying stuff uh saying amazing things about the quran and and then

i heard that's it william lane craig and and i and he's nowhere to be seen now where is he nobody can get hold of him why because muslims just shut him down as soon as he started talking about islam he started to have a few opinions your deviants in the apostate kafir murtad and so i think we we need to stop fetishizing the uh oh no not sorry jeffrey lang why not not really sorry sorry people i'm not i'm in a bit of a a brain fog i stand corrected it's

jeffrey lang jeffrey lang sorry not william lane craig that's the christian one jeffrey lang yes so he's nowhere to be seen because as soon as he started to express opinions we so we have to deal with ourselves i mean yeah and somebody said by the way you know it wasn't will dilla hunty was matt dillahunty you're right it is i'm honestly i'm in this is why i wasn't going to do a show today i was

i'm not in my full mind i'm not 100 here so please excuse me if i mixing words up and stuff multi has your views on interest change or does it remain the same as per your video which you made a couple of years back interest oh as in monetary interest oh um yeah it's the same it's the same

um as mufti is done today i am honestly i am yeah you know what i did have a poem though you know i thought i saw this poem and i thought let's print it off you know if i'm going to do a show why not just read a poem um one of phase

incredibly popular vogel [Laughter] see somebody who's ruined it all lost it all in your love he says both worlds

of just such a brief life to commit sin

he says we've finally seen the transcendental courage the divine courage says you see what his life is obviously saying it to who he loves but he's saying it that he says that you know your love had had me bewildered but then again much greater than that was

just livelihood the troubles of livelihood says that the world has made me even forget about you like he's saying i forgot everything because of you but then the world is such that it made me even forget about you

where foreign says so he says that even though it takes our life but what can we do we still have a heart and he says if it wasn't preoccupied with love it would just be preoccupied

by trying to seek a livelihood it is amazing so and he says they that the person smiled at me today just spontaneously but don't ask me phase how this inexperienced heart left and somersaulted

but yeah ah love you too love you too uh mufti congrats on 30k shukran it means a lot to me and i spoke about that it does definitely does shukren and it is really all of your uh love that's what it is you know what let's take a a look at a few verses and then i'll share out the i'll share out the link and maybe we can go live and let me see

uh yep so now i'm in the shade right i thought you know what about something that teaches you as it inspires you to aspire allah i thought surat in right about the fig now

because it's a short surah eight verses something we've all come across and in it are so many symbols so many messages of hope of realization and and also it kind of reminds you it can take you to such highs and then bring you down to such levels allah

as certain surahs begin with somewhat enigmatically though that what he was say to allah by the fig and by the olive as in allah swears by the fake by the olive interesting

mount sinai swearing by mount sinai and this secure sanctuary which will be the haram okay so makkah now we'll just go through the verses and i'm just going to come back

we have created insane in the best of formations now let's just stop here go back what teeny was they torn allah begins with fig olive swearing by these

now there's many things to think here why i mean truly allah knows and there's many reasons that we can conjure up and it can mean them and many more that's the amazing nature of the quran who is the quran most likely addressing at this point you see people would bring learned folk they would bring priests rabbis from the northern arabian kingdoms they would bring them down

to debate the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam in makkah who would bring them the people of quraish because they used to go there for trade from places like hera and these other places up north in the middle east they would bring them back because the prophet was telling them that he was part of a continuity so okay so they would bring these people back so these people knew these things they knew stories about the the bible they knew about the old testament they knew about the new

testament they knew these things and the quran was not here trying to spell everything out for them what team see the fig it's amazing the fig in many ways symbols of it are already there in the biblical past

jesus often gave he gave parables about the fig the fig tree in fact a point where jesus people had questioned jesus because in the gospels jesus curses the fig tree he turns up and and then he he according to one of the gospels he will he he looks that the leaves are there but there's no fruit and according to some of them he curses it and according to some no this may be part of a parable he's trying to say to the people that you've got the letter of the law

but where's the spirit where's the fruits behind these arabian settlements to the north is this huge kingdom byzantine and yet the theme in many ways this fig that you're seeing is resemble it's symbolic of people questioning christ or maybe of christ questioning the people was zeitung

you see they weren't olives olives weren't there in the arabian peninsula but they were in the northern kingdoms was allah jesus right before once again addressing these people jesus on mount olive isn't this the whole where jesus is also supposed to come back

right from the beginning right from the beginning these people believe that the first sign of hope was with noah no alissa according to their teachings what does the dove come back with it comes back with a branch of olive olive branch to signify hope yet there is civilization to come you think this flood has ruined everything life is yet to come

there is yet great a magnificent destiny it goes on to symbolize peace that extending an olive branch what tini was say to what that what is it that was so spectacular on mount sinai

that you're saying it was graced by revelation by transcendental intervention by by god i mean that this what is the difference here

in a time with in a time where the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam is being he's being troubled by all these people around him this is makkah in a time where the prophet is people are trying to bully the prophet they try to hurt him they they act in the most lowly of ways this is what they're doing in the name of what in the name of religion in the name of what turisin

was in the name of these things this is how they are acting to the prophet is something we have created in the most amazing spectacular of formations just think about it what we have as a capacity you think of our physical and then you think of the intellect and what it can grasp

it can grasp far more than what the body can grasp immediately following it by summard is then dropped to potentially the lowest of the law meaning that there is a potential potentiality in between you can rise you can sink [Laughter] and it can be done in the name of religion these people troubling the prophet are doing it in the name of religion

there's the mushrikeen yes but there's also these people coming in the name of abraham coming in the name of moses coming in the name of jesus there's this great civilization this this empire of byzantine and there is this tiny somewhat chaotic arab settlement in the middle of this between the southern kingdoms and the northern kingdoms of the hijas somewhat hardly any structure to it

is there any is there any hope for this allah says you see here is the important thing they may be doing in the name of in in that context in the name of their gods in the name of their faith in the name allah exemplifies it see what is it faith

good actions see this is salvific this is what saves people see what is it that makes you deny not just life after death but the potential the power that god can bring to make it happen what is it that makes you deny it

has not god given you going back to them did they not begin with looking at jesus struggling few disciples was he not people ridiculing him people doing these things have they not resulted in a great empire look at that at the trajectory of where might can take someone potentiality but at the same time allah is reminding

people that just as you rise see as easily as that you can fall asleep allah does judgment not ultimately go back to god i find this you know as such a small brief surah one that is full of so many symbols

of insane potentiality of parables of civilization of heights of fools of ultimate objective judgment from god but if anything it is one that shows that at a time like that when the prophet was struggling when people were attacking him when they were bullying him when they were ridiculing him when they kept bringing people to debate him when they kept the and the prophet was steadfast that in this implicitly was

a reflection and echo that you know these great things that are like so out of you know so out of reach so out of sight these civilizations in time to come they will all be graced by this thing of islam i mean

i just thought i'd share that with us right um let's see all right okay salam mufti let me just try to bring up some of chakran monkey see monkey do gold globe sugar and let me grab the link and share the let me just catch up on some of your comments first

sajad hussain assalamu is it by any chance if it is you have to let us know and i'm going to bring you right on so all right what is going on

anthropomorphism i recommend a book to read selfie friends hate me i feel more comfortable doing tough weed apparently i'm not affirming what the quran what's in the quran you see creed that doesn't make any sense that you're not because the majority of sunni islam is ashadi or that kind of creed that they're not literalists when it comes to readings of the quran so it doesn't make sense to say that you're not a valid muslim or you're not a valid

sunni when that is the majority of of sunni islam daniel donald c by a distance the best expert shook and shook and much appreciated much love much love um seema s what is a nikka is the state religious leader required or can it be a contract between two individuals with their friends families as family as witnesses first of all shukran for the superchat much love

um right what is a nikka so inikai is on different levels oh it is both of those things oh sorry did you say leader right is it state religious is a state required so obviously today or religious leader required i'm not sure what that so okay is it a contract i would say anika is an understanding that is formalized

by rite of passage and thereby holds some sanctity in the eyes of its upholders so the two people involved they make a commitment of some of a nature to each other that is sanctified by the faith um you know and to that they are beholden

so this is what a nikah is in essence it's simply coming down to a commitment that is being made now the question is what kind of a commitment and there may be you know there may be some variation of nuance so everybody agrees that the commitment is of some kind of um of rights and responsibilities towards one another now they

may agree on many and disagree i mean they may agree on some disagree on some so they will agree that what what exactly does that mean and people just just left it to what society what the earth will deem as rights and responsibilities and people can negotiate them as well to a great extent but really it is a commitment that is what a nikka is see the problem with this contractual nikah is built upon what is called mukarama okay a sense of honor and a sense of um courtesy and not even courtesy doesn't quite describe

it best but um like generosity it's that and what i mean by that is it's appealing to that nature of of humans of generosity of care and providence of of support and shelter of that kind of side it's appealing to each other it's not of a mercantile nature and the problem is people keep treating nikah like it's a commercial thing because you see they use the word contract and

and this is the problem because you see contracts in our day and age are often of a commercial nature and the thing about contracts is they are not appealing to generosity or to care or to love or to affection or to courtesy they are appealing to uh utilitarianism like what what is what utility do you get out of this and what do you pay me and then the problem is that the the scholars have then used this language to decode uh and unpack nikah so they've treated it like they say well you know if you look in the fit books

uh it is um you know it's like um uh they will say buddha where you are giving ownership of your private parts in um in compensation for the mahar you know and where do you get this from where is that in the quran

you know these definitions that the fukaha use that the scholars use that it is declaring permissib or it is seeking the permissibility of a private organ um with the mahara and so on we where does the hadith teach this where does the sunnah of the prophet salallahu teach this you are using incredibly legal language and i'm not against the fukaha having made this because in their day and age it worked you see the muslims the arabs came from a state of

lawlessness with no rules and they their dream absolute ambition was to live in a world where there were rules an order and structure and so things came to them the sharia bought them structures and order and ruled and when you're going from chaos to order that is overwhelmingly magnificent so you are all of a sudden finding structure in things so first it was just like oh you said this i said this but now oh

there's a contract all these rules oh we are beholden to this contract of nicaragua wow and it's adding to the all element but then what's happened is the world is caught up and the whole world has gone through modernity and then it's gone through post-modernity and now we've got rules upon rules upon rules upon rules and we've got in you know we've got laws and by-laws and in-laws and sub-clauses and we've got we're up to our teeth in laws you've got rules for everything you've got terms and conditions and fine print and you know so using this language today it's

it's having the adverse effect it's having a negative impact on nika today you have to free you have to kind of clip these strings and free nikah from this kind of commercial uh attire because then people treat it like that and it creates a fence because if you'll have people that will do a nikah and then they will say well you know my responsibility was to you know or after they've you know been intimate sexually they'll be like well oh

here's 50 pounds you can buy yourself some i mean you've degraded a a kind of sacred intimacy to something that is akin to an insult and people will and i've heard these cases i've actually heard cases people doing things like this they'll and and they'll be like yeah but isn't this what the scholars say it is just you know i'm now providing there you go i'm providing this is halal and providing so we need to understand that we need to

go back that look this is not from the quran in the quran it was it it's it's open it's amorphous but it's an understanding of commitment and then things like whether it's witnesses or announcements these are for more uh dispute purposes so if people were to dispute it you have witnesses and people know what's going on this uh you know people ain't done onto so i hope that helps yeah

somebody said is no is is he an americas okay sure okay does a legal document need to be signed endorsed by the government hmm all right okay this is uh it's a tricky one because i feel that what islam has left uninhibited and free we should not

be quick to kind of snap its wings or clip its wings so i would say it comes down to the individual involved they can have this discussion if they want to register and have a civil marriage for example a registered marriage then they can do that if they don't want to they they're not bound to do that from an islamic perspective but it's up to them but they should just be transparency and they should be what they want to do obviously both have their own pros and cons and i i know some people say that every nikah should be registered i'm not

necessarily a fan of that but just because i believe that what happens is when let's say a relationship doesn't work out and then you need to go to court for two years to seek a separation and i feel that that should that's just unnecessary and it's it's you know i'm i'm sure it's you know um the the grief that causes and then people would say but then they want to dispute rights and they want assets from each other and they want money from each other then in that case you know if that's what you want then that's what you do then register it

you know if you if you want that or if you but i would say it's it's up to people so people can pursue their own but they should have transparency on what they're doing in the u.s it must i'm not so sure i as a person agree with that but sure you know in the u.s it must then [Laughter] uh well okay so zainab jafari can we choose

non-existence in the afterlife allah saying if only you knew what lies in store allah that being is a [Music] transcendental state of place unimaginable generally by our current standards

i don't think anybody experiencing that would ever choose non-existence over it um it's interesting i was watching um i can't remember which is some this is like a little brief clip about some atheists and as in who was it this as in it was a celeb well-known atheist and he asks him that you know you said um after life the after death is nothing and he said does that trouble you and the guy said no he said you know i just

i consider it like sleep like this is nothing like a dreamless sleep and then he says but i but he said but i am troubled by the fact that it will be nothing forever [Laughter] has there come a time upon insane that he was not a thing of mention

see one way of looking at this ayah is that what if it's negating that as in there never was a time maybe we there was some continuity right from the origin of the soul but we just don't recall it that's one way of looking at that first wow so

muhammad ibn ahmed shukran much love much love for the super chat muslim ali khan after you plan on writing a book anytime soon your opinion teaching etc sure i think sometimes you know yeah i do i need to but then i think you know with time you like when i look back at my own understanding now even like within a year let alone two years i feel oh thank god i didn't write anything then [Laughter] because i feel you know you know i feel

oh thank god like i don't know in my mind i feel like i've it's developed more now and whether it has or not in the world's eye but to me and i feel oh my god if i'd written it then it would have been embarrassing and and i don't know ah you know this this hope this hope [Laughter]

is let me tell you guys a story you know this poem this is an incredibly profound verse from imra al-qais let me tell you about imra

imra is from the celebrity don arabs from pre-islamic times so he's you know several generations pre-islam you're talking probably about 100 years prior to islam and then coming in coming towards it but he's he passes away maybe about two generations prior to islam so

it's legend he's deemed one of the most uh eloquent of the ancient arabs and his name is and he's from the tribe of kinder which were in the the around the najd region of arabia and and some spread out a bit and they were known from the descendants of the southern arabs so from the kind of hemorrhoid kingdoms and and kinder were a kingdom in and of themselves and

imra al-qais's forefathers they were kings of this region and they were very and they pro and kinder were an important tribe because they their region covered some of the trade routes so stability in their region ensured safety of passage for for for you know mercantile travelers so it was really for the merchants so it's incredibly important and what happens is they have several tribes that paid jizya to them and homage and jizya by the way was something you know for a century two

before the arabs was well known um it was something that the arabs used to do it was not something islam introduced and we can speak about that another day but and they used to pay jizyan so some of these tribes they rebel there's this uh insurgency insurrection and by and amongst them banu assad so they rebel against hojar and so whilst this is going on

he has several sons and during his time when he's a king and he's obviously got control he's got this under lock this whole region um imra al-qais is just a a kind of he's just an absolute chill chill boy he's like absolute a drifter he he's just a casanova he just spends his time writing poetry he just drinks alcohol he kind of he hangs out in the elite circles because he's a prince he gets access to these elite circles and he kind of chills out with them he

drinks wine he's just with women he's in fact he's his adventures with women are well known and he's he's like one of the most excessive he really i mean any woman he can get a chance to sleep with he's there he's on it you know this guy is and he's and he's so eloquent as well and he's this kind of warrior as well because he comes from this past but he's often just drunk and he's drifting and he's dad's so fed up with him his dad can't can't be bothered with him he calls it considers him a waste and this guy's just a waste of space so he just travels um you know with a

companion or two he goes to different kind of kings and they kind of because he's he's charming they entertain him and he just spends his nights kind of like this so what happens and this is where you have his famous uh you know you have his famous he says that's his famous where he says you know to his two and this was a um somebody and he is like in in some ways he is to arabic

poetry what mir takim is almost to urdu poetry he invents a lot of these these things in fact people argue that he promoted this you know you stand on the ruins and the poet says you know as i pass by the ruins of such and such and and he calls out to his two companions but this some have argued that this may have been if not introduced and promoted by imra and the fact that the person that he likens women to gazelles and because of their eyes and their slender necks

and this is all him he's the one who introduces this into arabic poetry so he's huge in in uh in arabic and in his poem where he says you know stand by this he says you know let us cry over our beloved and so on it's an amazing poem of his pathway full of his his adventures so he will say in it he says

how many days have you had that were awesome with women and he says especially the day of darata juju and he speaks about he came to this place and there were these young women and they were bathing in this lake and he kind of comes and then he kind of slaughters his camel for them to eat and and they all kind of can't get enough of him and and he really he has this amazing way with words and he says

and he says the day i climbed into that you know the the carriage on top of the camel where the woman would sit he says i climbed into ernest and she said to me what on earth are you doing [Laughter] you know you're gonna ah you're gonna be the end of me and he says what is it ah but but she she kind of complains and she says to him what are you doing you know

uh yam you know you you're gonna ruin you're gonna kill my camel can't take the weight get off and and this is and he has these epic lines in this poem of his in his malacca and amongst them which are used proverbially as well where he says he says he says in the night it's like a wave you know that lowers its curtain over me to just try me with new trials and

tribulations but it's an amazing but this was this person so what happens anyway he's living this life he's living he's doing it he's doing it and his father gets killed so his father gets killed and he the news reaches him that his father said i mean according to some variations that his father had said that imra al-qais will avenge me and some say oh he just took it upon himself

but he he he has this he finds out and he's kind of like gutted because he says because he never used to like his father he says he says when i was a child he just ruined me like he let me go to waste and when i grew old he just made me carry his blood as in i had to avenge his death and this is why he says um when he hears about the death he thinks you know what it's time to get serious but before he gets serious he says

he says tonight we'll we'll we'll have our wine but tomorrow tomorrow we shall dine tomorrow we'll see to the serious issues and what happens is he kind of rallies around gets this support from people says i'm gonna you know i need to avenge the death of my father from banu assad and

so what happens is he gets certain people they kind of support him and you know he finally they agree and they come along with him and he was a warrior and according to certain narrations he goes and he fights and he does actually he he kills this person of uh you know these people that were responsible for his father's death but then he says that you know what we need to restore the kingdom of kinder and i need to be its king

so some people say well you know you know this you know we we we were with you up until the point of avenging your father but now you know this is you know this is not really this sounds more like a you problem go sort it out yourself and so he goes around thinking you know what i need some i need to get more backup so it goes to different different kind of kings and and it's very interesting actually it goes to uh there's uh those of you that have heard of the

um the famous jahili uh jewish arab samoa who has this fort known as and he goes to him as well and he kind of seeks some help but then he leaves some of his uh in fact i think he his own daughter he leaves her there if the security and he leaves some weapons and stuff and um and he's going on this journey trying to get more help trying to rally and somebody tells him you know why don't you go to to caesar facer because you know we we can put you in touch and why do you go to him

so at the time justinian the first is the caesar and you know the famous justinian who does all the legal reforms and many of which are still european law is still kind of based on some of the justinian kind of reforms but so justin justinian the first is the caesar and somebody puts him in touch and so and he goes and he meets caesar and caesar kind of likes him he thinks what a guy he was charming eloquent and you know he had a way with himself and um caesar likes him so caesar says you know

what i'll i'll help you he says why don't you crash out here a couple of days so he crashes out and whilst that's happening you know as they say i did say much more he bumps into caesar's daughter i think it's caesar's daughter or his sister but i think it's his daughter

that cannot let an opportunity go by you know this one wrong number right door number next door so this way he says he says you know i shouldn't be doing this but so what he does is he says

[Laughter] so as it happens there's a little spark and there's uh and there are nothing that happens between imran al-qaeda and caesar's daughter and oh i think it may i i recall it to be his daughter so it may be sister so he's he has this now afterwards people you know caesar kind of has a little inkling that hmm there's something going on but he doesn't catch on and then imra alcaze kind of bids them farewell bye bye tata ciao

and he's off on his way and justinian tells him don't worry i'm gonna send the cavalry and send the roman rome is gonna make its way so anyway whilst imran case is on his way and remember he's this epic poet um somebody from banu assad the tribe that he had avenged his father's death from and and destroyed that tribe one of them ends up for some reason he's in caesar's uh caesar's royal court

and he realizes he comes to learn that immoral case has just been and caesar seems to be fond of him so he does a bit of the stirring stirring you know stirring he says to caesar that oh caesar that you know you know that typical [Laughter] that's saying that it's a small mouth but he says it's a it's a big ask if i may please please please please so cesar says yes speak speak speak as you you know freely he says look uh

caesar your highness he says the word is that he's had a little fling with your you know your women folk and you what you don't know about him is all his poetry is full of womanizing so for example in the famous he says this is in his by the way this is taught in all the madrasas as well and everything where he says about he says

um he says and how many are pregnant women or nursing women that are nursing their child have i had sex with and this isn't in his he says this and i distracted her from her child he says says

ah but i've forgotten the next line but he says uh but he mentions that she tries to um she she gets distracted halfway because the child is crying and he says and yet half of her is still underneath me and these are the kind of poems that he had by the way he was you know this is the the the greatest arab poet of jahilia times so this person tells caesar you don't know who this guy is i mean this guy he's going to make a poem about your daughter and all of the arabs are going to be singing

it so caesar says acha amari cat humper attack so he says you know what um we'll have to fix him so he says okay we'll fix this so what he does is he sends you know in that day and age they used to have something known as mumma so they would have a suit which would be a bit like a a kind of gummies kind of thing a bit like a kind of kamis but underneath you'd have like a sarong and his art like a tortilla

but they would have the inside of it um poisoned that when you wore it especially in the heat it would kind of go it would kind of infiltrate penetrate into the pores and it would poison you so it was known as in um classical times it was known as it's often a trick that was used by people to poison someone send them a new suit so justinian sends imra al-qaeda a suit and he says and sends a message that this is my suit and it is made from this cloth and it is

identified as that from caesar himself i want you to wear this on every place you go in front of people so they know that caesar is with you so imra says of course you know la because so he wears this kind of and obviously you can imagine the arabian heat the desert and he's wearing in all these places and the poison it penetrates his paws and he starts to get poisoned and he starts to get these things where um parts of your skin start to kind of almost they turn into these kind of boils and drop off or something this is

why imra alpha is also called the they call him the one of wounds the one of many wounds because he his body developed all these wounds as he was kind of traveling um from town to town and it's it's amazing because he he he eventually he starts to break down with all this kind of this this this poison in his body and he says one of his famous poems known as the senior um it is quite honestly it's quite a tragedy in its way because he he begins

it by saying a lima and he says you know the usual style that hey come you know my two companions settle in this place and you know what's wrong why are people not listening to me and in it he brings up his kind because he really becomes so weak

and he kind of recounts his days of glory and because he was a warrior in his day and he says that you know there were so many people who were in distress in the desert that i found them and i chased the bandits away from them and allowed this person to breathe and then he kind of recounts his his events with women how women would all fight over him and and he says

he says he says says i see that women don't like a person who who starts to lack in wealth [Laughter] he says neither a person who once they start seeing white here in him or who becomes arched forward because he's of old age and he's trying to say that you know there was a time where i had all of this and where are these people today and you know because he's struggling and he says something you know it's

really um he says he says he says [Music] he says that i never thought that the days would end up with such tribulation that i can't even stand up to wear my own shirt like because this is how weak he's become and he says

and you can see jimmy atan is used as in the feminine says if only my soul would just go in one goal but it seems to be dying a breath at a time and he and then he says allah he says that allah

you know this line of his it's one that's full of hope like he says he says indeed a person after having lost everything still there is a chance to regain everything and even after turning white in the hay tula a long life is yet to come wa malbasa and many garments to where this line of his is so full of hope but unfortunately his life was coming to

an end i mean unbeknownst to him and he he kind of stumbles and then he eventually reaches this place known as and he's only got one two companions with him and he reaches this place called asib and there's nothing in it and he finds this what looks like a grave and it's almost like poetic uh irony and he asks this old lady going by that what is this and she says it's the grave of a roman girl that's buried far away she was from rome and she's buried here and and here he says his poem the famous that many that's become

proverbial where he says that he addresses he says my neighbor he's calling her his neighbor and he says that see calamities come and he says

and i am kind of laying like taking up settlement in this place called haseeb ajaratana that both of us are strangers here and he says what he says the famous says

you know if you do reach out to me with a with with some kind of kinship then that's awesome and if not then a stranger is always a stranger but it's an and in this place he dies and it's this kind of story of this legend of a person who who goes through this eventful life of adventures and you know these kind of wars and women and alcohol and triumphs and and being in the circles of the elite to

in the court of caesar to to eventually find himself in this deserted valley and as allah says see not a soul knows where its death has been written and there's so much so many lessons to take from this uh story and said um when he spoke of the of the great poets of jahilya he said

he said the one who kind of beat them all was so ladies and gentlemen i thought i'd share that with you but this line of his was so profound because of the hope it kind of imbibed although you know he's not going to make it he says that even after having lost it all can still regain it all allahu akbar people i got carried away [Laughter]

get carried away with these kind of stories you know honestly let's you know what let's give up this link if anybody's still awake and still awake wants to jump on carl jung when asked about god i needn't believe i know let me share this

all right there you go i've shared the link uh yeah these stories are epic you know i do find honestly some of these these kind of things these poems these things they they they hit you sometimes when you from where you least expect it so mufti would you please answer a question of mine well there you go

good story of the sugar and chicken and cool story [Laughter] in case right so people i've shared out the link i'll if you can come on i'll put your cameras and mic activate them i'll i'll see if i can see them and then i'll bring you up right i think we've got someone of right people jumping on ah look at this here's me thinking i'm just talking to myself

we've got antu rahman and rahman can you hear me i don't hear you i don't know if uh is that because wait is that because of me or one moment you check audio click the headphones

okay one second let me just make sure these are connected uh right i think they might be maybe they're disconnected i'm just going into the bluetooth settings let me just connect just because i've had them a little while they may have just disconnected so just pressing that and one second

there you go connecting all right so what's going on talk to us man i'm i'm i'm on it by the way i'm on

it uh that you've decided to join us yeah i'm not really uh good at speaking english so i'm kind of nervous because no problem you're doing great you're doing great if if you want in between you can drop some hindi urdu if you want but otherwise your english is sounding it's awesome this i'm like a big fan of john ilia's side

john ilia is a legend so yeah yesterday was his birthday all right you're right oh damn yeah may allah bless his afterlife right i you know because i've these last two weeks i've been kind of not i've been kind of out of it because i've not been so well and i've just been in a kind of like a brain fog for the last like 10 days or something so i'm not completely there but you you're right now that you mention it it is in december and because i did something last year for it i remember i made a little tribute video so

yeah wow what what what makes what what's why do you like julia what so what interests you about him because he kind of um honest with himself and not really care about like uh who who's gonna say what about him you

know that what is all this fuss about he says i'm just speaking to myself like most of the people don't have that connection with with themselves like they don't talk with themselves like they don't really know themselves and you know what they say is in in arabic that men are nafsa arafa whosoever knew himself truly knows knows god that the way that one of the ways to understand god is by first knowing the self know thyself most of them run from themselves so true

it is so true i think one of the you know the biggest noise that a lot of people are trying to block out is the noise from the self that's really when i was first in uh like being a practicing muslim so it was like very um i was kinda um i was gonna say it i i i was gonna dumb down yeah then i started i'm gonna i started my recent faculties was like uh shutting down time after time i'm like very straightforward

i'm like uh looking for straightforward answers and um i want to have control over people like at the at a small age like me on her control over people like who are smaller than me i want to like clearance them like do this do that like if they don't uh if they don't like follow like me i feel like they're wrong hmm i see because you see that's how it starts it starts with this kind of it can start it doesn't i hope it but

often it starts with this unfortunately the self-righteousness you know a person starts doing something good and then this is the wasa you see this is well i'm better than that person see what was the purpose of this story in the quran about the shaitaan saying this because this is where people they acted out that you see i'm better this person is wrong this person is astray this person if they're not on my path if they're not on this understanding this all is the ego and the problem is that even though a

person thinks they found god they haven't at that stage they've got a you know like metaphorically they've got to smash like the story of ibrahim they've got to smash the idols of the ego to get through to god because at this point it's just nothing that's you know it's just it's just like it's it's all about power it's all about you know ah i can tell you off i'm on the hub why don't you pray why haven't you got a beard why hasn't this person why is this person using his uh why is that woman not wearing hijab

eventually a person realizes i was wrong all along it was this journey was about me i needed to fix this and just walk along and and i think in many ways you know you said about john elia because he's somebody who is fed up with all of this that's going on in the world sorry uh i listened to an um interview of his friend uh so many uh so they're asking uh his friend like do you remember any incidents which was very strange to you with john ilia

so his name was zakir rahman okay so he says that um in the time of four uh there are uh shahiri program in lahore so him john ilia so the one invited was hassan rizvi uh who programmed this shari so zakir rahman john ilia and others were there so it was a shari about mazhab

he was a big guy he's i think he's still alive okay so he has a very uh big guy that time he took with his bodyguard all the time so he was there also present so he says that we are all present there so so the shahiri program is about to start but uh there is some sound problem so they are saying that uh uh you all were there in uh other room we are we so there is a sitting there having some conversation so mawlana fazer got him he

said something so he said i don't remember recall what he said but john ilia became very angry like he really pissed off okay so he so he says something like um uh the problem uh i have is with me and allah with me and god who you are interfere yeah like you you have no place to interfere it's between me and god so he he says like if i uh if i was in the time of rasulullah i will still be drinking [Laughter]

and he said and he said his mother his mother is ashara de la talanga that if i have done money to drink i would uh i steal money from eyeshadow on her and still drink yeah and yeah i've heard something i heard one of these stories here so what he's yeah what he's saying to people because he he has this kind of this argument with these religious people who judge him and he's saying that look because he's kind of sayyid so he's from the family of the prophet and he says that well if we were in the

time i would at least be part of the household like it doesn't like who are you like whether i drink in front of them or not like like he's trying to say i'm from that household and yeah i remember that story i have heard it actually uh the later part was very interesting like uh the one who is um saying so he just um tell this incident to his uncle uncle sorry aunt so his aunt says that john uh says like that he said yes so she says that don't ever invite him in

our house so he says okay so he doesn't tells john about it that she said that don't uh come ever so uh one day his aunt was uh visiting his village once for some days so from there his aunt called john ilia's friend that come over here so fast yeah so he was like um really shocked like why suddenly she says so he got there and she says do you uh told john about uh john what i think

about you to you he said no i didn't tell him so uh she says alhamdulillah so he got curious like what happened like you are saying like so she says that i saw a dream in this dream i was in the prophet's house so she uh she claimed that she uh has heard of the prophet many times okay so in this dream she saw uh she was in the house of the prophet and there are

uh his wife his daughter his wife and other where his servants were also there and she was also there part of their stalking so in this talking father she says like uh um place this white garment on the uh on the bed place this white garment on the bed so she says like she his aunt on the dream she says uh why is there any special person coming

here says yes jonathan yeah you know honestly he said his story to john and john like he says that john really cried like yeah he had a lot i think you know people like that are often misunderstood and they they get cornered into these and put into a pigeon hole and people think they don't like god or they don't like religion and it's not true really you just see a

hurt person you know you see someone who's been hurt by society he's been hurt by institutionalized kind of religion and that's why he says these poems which he says and people think he's uh you know oh he doesn't believe in god but he says that obviously i do believe in god you know i've cut my own connection on my own relationship with god but yeah may allah bless his afterlife may allah bless everybody who has ever you know who who's gone and who's contributed to humanity yeah that's true that's so true but i appreciate that and to shukran man i mean one for bringing to our attention

that it was his kind of anniversary um it is you know on his anniversary there's an interesting uh line that he has where he says [Music] he says he says he says he says and it's it's an interesting notion because he you see no none of us know we go through the year we go through the year each and every one of us through every day

like today's date you know now it's become the 16th of december it was the 15th none of us know which date we're going by which will be our death anniversary date yeah you know like like for all we know like like that date will actually be a special day in our lives but we'll never know it until it's over and that date is and he says

this was the day that i died on it's it's a very profound thought that kind of sends you know shivers down our spine may allah bless us to really optimally take and and give in this in this dunya from our life about something like um okay so i was um uh thinking about the burst like india or the khalifa like the jailon is a is some file um which is getting some fine so it can be act like as um [Music]

like uh present continuous like i'm creating something yeah so it can't uh necessarily uh be like uh humans it's like uh when i say that i'm making a cake like i'm not actually making a cake i'm like preparing my uh procedure while making yeah no i understand that's in it's not making it's not speaking about making the human but it's about making the khalifa and yeah i suppose it will be a long process like one way of looking at that

yeah is that it's speaking more so not about speaking about that in sun is coming at the end of something in a state of something this state is that it seals the deal for homonyms and therefore is a khalifa this state is a manifestation it's an epi like it's not it's an emergent property so the incen is created but the state that he is the final is a state it's not necessarily a creation so therefore it would actually make more sense to say ini

as opposed to as though khalifa is a kind of creation it's not it's saying that it's creating insane thing see i'm creating a type of insane but jayalun this insane khalifa you know it will he will come as a as the final to what went before him i think that would really make a lot of sense allahu akam but yeah shukran and an interesting for joining us today much appreciated

take care stay blessed people that was from dhaka somebody did say we have had a guest before on from bangladesh okay i um i'm not sure somebody said we had abu uh sephora but i i okay i thought abu safura was somewhere based in europe although he's originally bangla but you're right maybe maybe that's that's right so i may have forgotten that but still it's awesome to see people all the way from bangladesh

to you know i hear there's quite a revival when it comes to maliki in bangladesh honestly i hear this there's quite a surprising revival of the school of medina where you'd least expect it you know you wouldn't think it's going to rise from the bay of bengal and this is seems to be quite a something going on there i'm telling you something because there's several people they i um one of my shaykhs well he teaches several people as well from the uh online maliki but i just thought i'd mention that right so

we've got um i'm from the uk as you can probably talk about i can tell i can tell by the accent exactly yeah i'm not too far from you not too far from birmingham so um yeah it's like it's like half past two at the moment and i couldn't sleep um i just went on tv that's what i'm here for just to to serve all those people who are having sleepless nights

[Laughter] i'm loving your content by the way bad brother done amazing man i appreciate it man honestly it means it means a lot it means a lot you know sometimes i do um i'm going through you know in my in my world and sometimes i do think what on earth am i even doing and alhamdulillah i don't get these thoughts so often but occasionally i will and i'll think what the hell am i even doing and why am i even why do i even bother sometimes i occasionally i get these thoughts and and then you get like such a like a heartfelt message from someone i have to say i was

you know i had a message uh from someone just yesterday actually someone who's actually done really well uh for himself and you know i won't embarrass him by but he's actually becoming incredibly prominent and on social media and becomes so um you know much exponentially much more than i have but i was uh really surprised to to just get like a heartfelt message of uh him just saying that how much he felt indebted to to me and i was really surprised because i thought what really wow okay and and i just thought you know it's it's

these things sometimes they it's good you know they can't find a decorative meaning but shukran sadik so tell us yeah share with us what's what's going on in these sleepless nights what's keeping you awake yeah i just want to first of all before i continue on with my thing i just want to say that you've your content is really good um it's amazing it's very relatable um you know with so many muftis and chefs out there you just can't seem to relate to them in these times so i just want to say that you know your content is very relevant in these times

it's very much needed in these times and you answer a lot of intellectual questions which most of the other mufties and chefs don't do out there and maybe it's because of a vulnerability or maybe because they might be losing subscribers or followers and things like this but you kind of break that norm and you what i love about you is this is this you have this level of courage and this is what i kind of lack and i kind of admire that about you because there's a lot of questions which are very controversial which most of the people won't answer but you're willing to answer that and i just think it shows

something's quite beautiful beautiful about you that you're willing to do that um i can just have you continuously going all night like this i mean i'm just honestly honestly this is it's melting my heart honestly may allah always keep you blessed and happy and smiling i i i i i feel you know what you're saying and it does it motivates me um it does so sugaring that's good that's good i mean so my question um i'm not sure if there's a question whether it's an observation or what it

is going to show on um i've had some experiences um with plant medicine sacred medicine sacred medicine yes sacred the sacred sacred men sacred and um sacred spin yes yes definitely sure and it's been very overwhelming to say the least um i watched one of your videos on um you know the toad and how you are saying how it's overwhelming

it is yeah and i kind of i felt that connection to what you said that it can be very very too much it is beyond words it is beyond words it's these things it's it's so beyond words and that whatever message that you're given by the medicine it's kind of like it's so much it's so much to digest and that when you're leaving these retreats or things like this you're on the end you'll end up left oh my god what happened you know and you're like oh my god i don't know how to integrate this back

into my life and how is this going to make sense to my islam and all this sort of stuff and god it was like six or seven months ago now and i'm kind of starting to get back on my feet but even having said that i'm still trying to find my path you know and it's quite scary and i'm asking a lot for help for i can't guidance no i'm kind of shaking a little bit see you know that you see the path it leads it has always led to allah you see sometimes the difference may just be in how we picture things

sometimes we may have had a certain narrative let's say of how we picture reality if the veil was to be removed because you know just of what we've watched in the movies what we've heard is stories what we've and what some of these things do is it's beyond words it's when there is a kash and it can be incredibly terrifying to the most you know to the nth degree because for a moment or for some moments a person may cease

to exist as they have ever known themselves that they truly are submerged in an ocean of death and and and what they finally make contact with is just consciousness just the rule it is a person doesn't know what to do with that in the sense that it is because when when reality as we know it this small reality with a small r and the ultimate reality which in arabic is from

allah is only there is nothing otherwise and you see when a person is back in this kind of this understanding and this is why you find people this there's a a documentary as well uh called 5ml the movie it's on amazon prime and stuff it's a good documentary to watch they don't necessarily promote they're not against they just follow the journey of a few people that are going through and the exploration but it's interesting you see when the people come back one of the things they do they they touch their face oh i have a face you know it's

it's like what does this world mean but you know what it does it's it's not about you see it's not about that you have a certain oh i've come back with this message but it's that profound experience what it does is it it puts into perspective that these little things in life you know this petty fighting this arguing this uh this ego this pursuing these like there's nothing wrong in pursuing pleasures you know sure by all means but it puts into perspective

that yeah there are things there is a reality far greater far more profound yet to come and it also removes some fear it removes fear of the unknown fear of death a person starts to and in that way finds themselves inextricably can more connected to the divine and you find many people that do this that do you know that walk the path of sacred medicine that they become better human beings they become more connected to nature they want to spread more love amongst people they

want to help people this is this has always been that message and you know it's interesting that people say you know people have pointed out i've read how people have pointed out that um when the uh the the prophet sallallahu alaihi bukhari describes the realm of the it's with that the kajaras you know it's like the the ringing of a bell the vibration the kind of and and this exact thing that people speak of the the of the unseen but

i also get that it's it's not for everyone um you know i get that people don't know sometimes so i i i'm one of those people i feel that it calls people that the path will call them that it's not i you know there was a time where i would have been very um i mean i'm still an advocate of sacred medicine uh but i'm i don't say to people that i think you should do i think you should i don't i don't do that and i i because it's

uh the nature of it is it can be incredibly it is nothing you know it's like in that documentary dr david luke and i went to his lecture and i spoke to him personally and we we kind of spent time speaking and he's one of his leading you know he's a great professor who's researching psychedelics and all of this and he i forgot which university lectures that now but um he's in that he's in that documentary so it's like he says in there that there's nothing ever that could have prepared you for it you know it's like in the documentary it's like when they go to it they're like it doesn't matter what nothing

could have prepared us for it and people can react differently and i get that so and not everybody is at that level so this is why this there's levels there's layers to this to this thing you know it's not uh even in the documentary they begin with smaller steps before they reach you know the ultimate uh 5mil but i so this is why i i personally i that's how i leave it i i do think it is something profound i don't think in any way it contradicts or clashes this is my understanding with islam if people feel it does in their understanding then fine

they shouldn't ever embark on it um but in my understanding i don't feel it does if anything you see echoes of it in you know in the faith and it only confirms but it's a different you know the fact that what you experience can't be put into words and maybe it's not the story that you had you know because the thing is you have this story that there's going to be a you that looks like you that kind of is going to be in genna that's going to be in the afterlife and but nobody has ever really said these things like this this is just an approximation you see you can never picture

consciousness without you you know this is the thing that can you picture being without you and because sometimes you do on these things a person it's so profound and other obviously there's other there's layers there's other variations there's other medicine which will you know like celestin or whether it's just tmt where people will still be them and they will encounter and they will learn and communicate and talk and uh and this is you know this is why you get some researchers like uh rick straussman who kind of just

packed it all in eventually because he you know he did this he's one of the key he's one of the mahakaleen of this madhhab and he's just eventually because he tried to do it all scientifically and then in the end he's like what the hell do i do with this because everybody that goes there is like i've had this great experience and he's like trying to tell them well no it's a hallucination like no no it wasn't a hallucination it was very real and they're like no no you know i don't it's it's in your imagination that oh it's more real than this right now and then he doesn't know what to do with it because they're like well we saw these little creatures we spoke to these green little men or we or they weren't men but these things so we spoke to

nature and we did this and we did so in the end you don't know where to put that in modern day science so he just in the end it's interesting he's seeing him turn away but wow i'm glad you you did you know um you had the courage to share that with us um these are profound paths um and it's it's difficult because it's it's the path of a people that you know who speak a language it's like almost the story of the name that they speak a language that other people not off the

path won't understand it and it's easy you know what's often a proverbial hadith almost is put as a hadith that although it may not be authentically hadith but it's true that only that people easily become opposed to that which they are ignorant of and you know when you don't know something you easily oppose it and you become you become strong in opposition but yes

uh for that may allah bless you and you know yes so do stay in touch do drop me a message on instagram and let me look out for your profile and we'll we'll we'll be in touch inshallah we'll be connecting oh inshallah it's been good to speak to you and connect with you and uh inshallah i'll be in touch all the best and give my salams to your family okay

from the uk people speaking about some difficult topics i guess but interesting i always find those topics profound uh we've got nasir khan alright let me just share the sorry um [Music] the link again and you know i may wrap it up actually shortly as well but uh

how are you how are you doing where are you joining us from how come the camera has gone off yard [Laughter] you know people often do that if it's it's not nice but people want to see the the handsome young fella behind the the the the logo the t-lo girl no no but but muffy cyber um

yes yes a lot of brits tonight that are awake i take it so what's going on how can we help you in this sleepless night so um i wanted to ask you about the um comment you made you said ali's war against azerbaijan ah is this again going on this is why you hit the camera but you have to ask the

you did say last time i never said anything like this so i i didn't get the comment and this is what i wanted to clarify from last time um and and you did say so ali's war against were all uh consequence of his own doings he declared war on them and not vice versa and he was criticized heavily for his unwise decisions by ibn abbas and his own son hassan so i wanted to ask um i mean historically how can we say that so how can we say that declared war on our subject like there's no evidence to suggest this at all i mean is this firstly i mean is this

going to change anything whether you know which side began the war the battle of the camel we're speaking of here which side began it so i mean does it is it going to change history is it going to make things better today is it going to complicate things is it going to i think it will make things better today i believe it will because i think if we establish i'll tell you why because if we establish who was on the husk and where where who started what then i personally believe this

he clearly states that hadith i left you for the quran so they are according to the standard of whom according to the shia no i think it's mother no imam malik brings that chain or what tell read imam malik's narration but okay is he not the imam of allah read his narration

used to reject gifts for himself used to say to the people the difference between us and you is that we would have been in the side of ali and you would have been inside of malawia you see that this now this comes back to my same thing how does this help sisa so far in three minutes no in three minutes what we've done is you you've made a supposition that there is such thing as let's say motorwater hadith which fair enough many people make that supposition okay

but then when i've mentioned the narration in the mata of imam malik the way he says that the prophet says i've left the quran and sunnah you've not only said imam alex but he said was a corrupt individual yes okay did he get from california to reject them honey rejected all the gifts malek accepted them sure but look listen this comes back to my first question look i'm not one to get you know i'm sure this isn't about my sensitivities i've got you know thick skin it's not an issue

the question is this this when i ask does this take us to a better place is this incrementally better or different 110 so so far within a few minutes i'll tell you why i'm off to you look i'm just saying look listen within a few minutes obviously you've insulted a symbol of allah right an entire madhhab no but you've insulted him i could just say that simply as well like you've been assaulted the brother of the prophet sure so so this is my point it's taking us to a worse place where we began no no no obviously you began this conversation with love and respect

of course now we're at a place yeah but now we're at a place where we're kind of hurling uh you know we're hurling kind of uh derogatory no i hate insulting him i never insulted him with him corrupt him bro no no no no well the same way imam alex said that you're the one who seek power so why consider this about malik no you can but my point is that so are we better off now no yes we are i'll tell you what let's say i said i'll tell you what's i say to you i'll tell you what go on then insulting uh let's say somebody says we'll give you five minutes or one minute just swear to him as much as no no i wouldn't swear and then now

what you already have because called him corrupt no but the same way he swallowed islam so what's his judgment where's he better than so are we better off no but we're better off saying look this we ain't going to change history what's wrong with the message of love and compassion no but okay love and compassion cannot be established if you believe marawi was like if you believe he was sincerely correct in doing what he did then what's the love and passion he did against the khalifa the brother of the prophet sallallahu alaihi while islam and so did i shall so did zubair saw that and even the prophet saw simpson and many a hadith the the part of ahmad

will be on the gentleman of the opposition was the way not the cousin of the prophet no he was but he wasn't as close as islam you know very well that imam islamic himself has given a status status

we love all the companions of the prophet sallallahu alaihi oh but we love satan we love you but we love for doing this right okay so i i i genuinely look i tell you what look let's stop that for a moment okay right i want you to genuinely

tell me that look you are aware you are aware that there's going to be all sides of the story already in documents everywhere you're already aware of this of course of course exactly so you're already aware that there's a for example a sunni narrative there's a shia narrative there's a nasib narrative there's a there's other narratives you're already aware of all of this i'm sure if you know everybody that's fine we have an absolute the rasool is we cooperate what the hadith says by other historians so if if multiple historians are agreeing upon one thing then we

accept historian sunni historians no all his [Music] yeah i think we just see we last time we discussed yes it was just stalemate yeah because the point is this you have to understand we have to get beyond argumentation no but but it doesn't go anywhere it's gridlocked look no but you claimed you claimed sydney

you just said you just said to me that look you know all these sources these are like so for example if you if you all you have to read you can read for example ibn kathir you can read uh do you want to read ibn asakir do you want to read you can go through whichever history you want all of these things are already there there's nothing i'm not going to introduce something i told you in the beginning

i'm specifically asking whether islam i talk his father okay let me let me ask you did he want to attack his father you said he criticized his father that he disagreed with saying ali yeah so that's what i want to know have you let me ask you let me ask you have you never heard of that before no but i'm asking you muffy where did you go this is this is the thing have you ever heard of this opinion before yes where have you heard of it from you that's what that's why i mastered it no okay so so this is it so this is i don't know i'm a prank for the sauce so prior to me you've never come across this no no but mufti i'm asking you for the sauce one moment prior to me or put me aside

you've never heard of this opinion okay have you heard of the opinion mom hassan said that maha was worse than the heart of you look i'm not interested in this story have you heard of that opinion no okay so so but but then prior to me you haven't heard of this either so okay so that's fine but i'm not researching this and because you are right i'm surprised that you've not come across it then no but i'm not researching this either so then why are we wasting our time no because i'm making it very clear i'm making it very clear that my mom aliyah was on the hawkeye anything else because i won't take you off now no but he didn't start the war malik was corrupt he took money you know this is

the situation anything else oh but i want i wanted to discuss this with you because you're saying i'm criticized i'm disappointed in you i'm disappointed in you listen to me listen to me you come on here yes we're speaking about this theme being a bridge of love and compassion and positivity this is the second time you come on just to just to stir sunni shia debates no i'm not sure though listen listen i'm not sure right i right okay just come on here you just come on here to do this for the second time and i told you last time that look we're

not interested in these debates but yet you still carry on you carry on you want to insult sunni scholars fine you know okay you want to insult certain sahaba that's your doing it's not my interest i'm not interested in investigating which companions been kind of cursed which companions been abused this this is not of any interest for me so if this is something that interests you you can research it this is well known i'm not going to be the person that's introduced this and if you've never heard of this then you clearly lack the research to even discuss it so okay with that i'll let you go

and let that be also a message for anyone that look people uh if you're gonna come on here to argue you're just gonna get banned so i've just [Laughter] so this people we have to get beyond sectarianism you see if you were a shia fine look you're a shia i'm not saying shia kafil i'm not saying god you know it's not uh this you know if a person is i don't know you're a different denomination fine you've got your own thing to think

if you feel that look you have more love for one companion over another fine i've never said to people that if you love said ali more than sidna um then you're a deviant or this i've never said that it's nothing you know i'm saying to people look fine you know you you have a favorite sahabi more power to you you know that's just a message of love if somebody said to me you know i really you know what i really love abdullah ibn abbas from all the companions you know i just love this about him and that's amazing man you inspire me you know if you somebody's telling me

that i love satan ali you're not saying i could tell you one thing said ali would not approve of this behavior of this kind of this this that you just want to constantly spread sunni shia sectarianism that you know you hate malawia or you consider these things it's look it's your life i don't you nobody can make you love any companion but fine you know if you don't love them you don't love them but if you just want to argue till when you know when does this stop when does it reach its kind of final conclusion it doesn't

so that's my message that look spread love spread peace we've got so much in common you don't need to argue and if you want personal research do it you know do your personal research go you know go research it do a phd in it do whatever you want and that's fine even you know even if you personally don't like someone or you do like someone that's fine but i don't see the benefit you know people do this in hyde park all the time isn't it this is all they do they go there they argue they debate between shia sunni shia sunni shiasuni and people have asked me why i said i've

never that i find this stuff so antithetical to the message of islam so i hope that's finally please do not have sleepless nights over things like sectarianism that's just poison it's cancer okay it's like tbs nothing but reruns yeah i don't know what tbs is but i totally agree right we've got imam jawad

i don't know you know i want to say by the way i want to say to the people that look i actually uh have a very good relationship with you know several people from the shia community and we have absolute love and respect and they message me say the ali for example says raza they what's up me we well you know very we disagree but very respectful very kind of loving and i have absolute respect for those people you know as as muslims as human beings despite our differences you know fine we disagree on things you know what should we just

how do how do we progress because most most muslims are just born sunni or born shia they don't even know what the argument is about and they've had enough of it but yeah sorry for for saying that you know sorry for pouring into you no no it's okay you know i was just thinking you know as you were saying that um it was like um i was just thinking of how the first juices finishes you know it would tilt um

they will be accountable you know those were people right i understand the context is a little bit different obviously obviously but but the message the overall message is still the same that those were people that came that passed and you know we respect them and you know you may have exactly what you were saying you may have loved for one over another more because maybe yeah and you know why many of us may love one over another it's not that you know we hate the other one or in that sense it may just be that we connect with one more than the other like for example um uh you know you know when when we for

example if one person is having trouble with for example drinking alcohol and is addicted they may connect to a sahabi who is similar to them like that right or someone who who wants to obtain knowledge on the quran sometimes they say about personality exactly like somebody may think that wow you know i just find this this thing about this companion you know it just strikes me for some reason and i've got a liking and i just want to learn more and more and you know that's become my favorite has you know more power to you that's amazing you know the the like the hadith is weak but it's a hadith

and we can relate differently like you said so yeah i think plus the problem is that look until when until when when does it stop there was one there was one i don't remember his name i don't even remember the poem anymore look this is the human memory uh maybe inshallah if i uh i'll forward it to you on whatsapp but the the in essence what he's saying is he he's basically uh he starts off by talking about the cold and the warm and he's he starts by comparing male and female and then he's

he's sort of uh getting the reader ready it's in urdu but he's searching and he started warming up the reader to to reach up to the point where suddenly he says sunni and shia and he's basically drawing this contrast between all these things of sort of like opposites in the sense that he he when he ends off uh the overall message that he sends is that you know he he there was these specific lines where he says something to to the effect that the allah who can send a quran in multiple

can he not create different ways towards him and and you know that's amazing because it's i know we mentioned imam ali previously and um i mean just on the thing although that wasn't being mentioned in a nice light but imam malik when he was asked he said that the paths that are of god are many it's not that you know we all there's so many paths that lead to god to some people it may be academic it may be enemy to some people it may be through worship to some people it may be through just humanitarian efforts to some people

it may be by reflection and just pondering and the the paths are men yeah and so so you know it's it's important to understand that you know we'll have our differences forever right yeah the differences will be there forever however the question is how are you going to live with those differences how are you going to reconcile those differences and say okay this is the discussion and this is the line and let's yeah we there's so much more we agree on let's just stick to this and what we disagree on we all disagree on you know

there's no changing that there's no changing the discipline and you know why are you trying to bring more people towards you that's also another question right and that's not to be you know and many times i have found that it's not actually because like for example you are telling someone that you are not interested in the discussion however he is still pushing right so the question is why are you pushing right to someone who is not even interested because because my point was that look by this was my point that look at the end of this conversation are we going to be

closer or farther away like i'll just be honest like we're clearly farther away like i ban i i removed the person from the thing because i because you're bringing negativity you're bringing tension you're bringing toxicity to i can feel the negativity and i don't like it like i think like i i haven't got room for this in my life and i don't think the viewers need this so my point was in the beginning i was saying that look do you feel by the end of this conversation we're going to be more what is there going to be more between us like animosity or love and if you feel that it's going to be

animosity then fair enough if i want to and you want to argue and debate then it's different but i feel you know what yeah you know sometimes we like we we we have a bone to pick just and it's really a a kind of an echo from from the nerves that there's something unsettled there's something something else which is unsettled however we find a different avenue to take it out this is just the

shadow so so so the example that one gives is that a man is walking and another man finds out his denominator his religious belief that what religion he is from and so he spits on him and so and so the one who is spit on his response is not that of spitting back or being aggressive but asking why is it that you spit on me and it's not it's to find out what's the

deeper thing what's going on inside which is causing you to feel that you should spit on another and you know in this example what ends up happening is when they have this discussion it comes out that the man is not very happy in his life there's so many other things going on however he used this as an avenue to release so often times honestly may allah grant everybody ease so when so often times when someone you know comes off as aggressive ever right

we should just be patient with them and think and think that maybe there is something deeper happening so one of my ustad he gives the example he was giving a khutbah once in in in a country i won't name the country obviously for obvious reasons because the experience was sort of different so he was given a khutba and a man stood up during his in the middle and he said go back to madrasa and go back and learn you are jahil and you don't know anything and this and that so gustad said take my number

and why don't you teach me that way that way i can learn from the true learned man so the man was not expecting this because you know you would expect yelling back or anything he said why don't you just teach me how awkward it's true it's true i mean it is you know it's every i i guess you know ultimately there's symptoms and there's a syndrome and the symptoms are not the syndrome and people everybody's fighting a difficult battle and may allah even this brother that came on you know may allah make things

easy for him in his life and and everybody because they are struggling but it is it is true that there's a time and place for things you know somebody just made a comment here saying that look i am uh i'm shia uh well look uh pure islam we have nothing but love okay i i said on my last i spent a couple of weeks i've been off and um i've not been feeling well but on the last show when this person came on i said and i meant this i said look i'm envious in a nice way of you for the love you have for the family of the prophets

allah islam you know you it is enough for you to know that you inspire me about my shortcomings what i lack like i see i see the shia people and how they speak of the family of the prophet and i think you know well like in all honesty i i see as you know as something an emptiness in me and i think well you know you have to admire and be like wow and i said i i'm envious in a positive way of you and that's that's the most i can put to you i mean you can take that away as something nice and you know as as you know like as a as an extended hand

to say look that's a positive thing enough with trying to stir sentiments of hatred between people you know that's one of the reasons why um you know there was um you you i even asked you once your thoughts on him long time ago this was maybe like two years ago now uh [Music] which

does have links to the chistia which was [Music] that they need to be following these tariqas or don't worry yeah again it doesn't mean that we have to be divided in any way exactly exactly it's not a division in fact we don't even consider this into a sector or anything right yeah in essence just to explain if i could if you could

give me just two minutes the purpose i asked my my merchandise once i said what is the point of this right because i was new to all of this so i asked him you know what is the point of all of this and he said it's to create a chain under which a teacher watches over the student until the student is ready and what does that mean it means that for example my teacher teaches me and every lecture or anytime i speak about islam in essence i send it to him a recording to make sure that i'm not making any mistakes

and to stay within quran and sunnah and then his teacher would make sure he did that and his teacher would make he did that so in essence it's this chain to make sure that we're within the bounds of quran now a question is a question a question naturally comes up is that what if the teacher passes away and then who's going to make sure then you know my my my mersey said something interesting he said it should be the people it should be the mureeds the murders should not be blind they should if they hear that the murshid said something wrong

maybe you know by mistake maybe it's a genuine mistake they should come and say that we saw are you sure this is or you know this is are you sure this is correct you know just as a correction they are allowed to correct no of course of course what was the reply that i had said you said you'd asked me about uh nasiruddin i think you said that you just have a lot of respect for him and i do i do

he used to say to the sunnis and the shias and the different groups he used to say we all are brothers even to all the groups in fact even the quran the quran is for and all these groups he used to say we're all brothers we all may have shortcomings in certain things but we are all brothers we all mean like like for example for the quran he said something very interesting for the quranis which you know he said that if you think about it the quranist has so much love for allah subhanahu wa ta'ala and the quran that he doesn't want to trust anything other than it you know he has he has oh wow i said

something very similar oh wow okay he said that it i believe it was in one of his books or one of his students i didn't plagiarize it i didn't plagiarize it he said something to the effect it was him or one of his students so don't quote me 100 on that but i remember it was from that circle of people those that gold sharif circle they said that imagine how much love and they feel so insecure to go outside the balance of the words of allah why is that they said because it's just that they don't they have so

much respect for allah that they don't want to step out of it right and not this he did say that we don't agree with them and that yeah exactly i have a clip as well on uh should we debate quranists and it's a very similar kind of reply where i try to try to explain their reasoning that they're coming from a place of love for the quran and the deen they're not coming from hatred although i i mentioned that the methodology i feel personally and i'm sure generally sunni's field is flawed from being that this kind of hyperbolic uh distrust of the tradition

uh i feel that it's kind of misplaced so yeah but imam's up i came for something else oh i was actually quadruple tasking right now before i came on i was working on

my philosophy work for university and then i was writing poetry i was listening to you and then i was also working on my book i was like my mind is all over the place today so i've been all over this all right cool for joining us sharing your thoughts as always it's always a pleasure to have imam jawad with us uh epic people we should uh be wrapping up do we uh we've got joseph shall we final guest and wrap this up whoa we're going up to three hours

assalamu i thought i thought am i reading that right i know i've had blurred vision over the past couple of days not feeling well so i thought joseph allah allah so talk to us tell us a bit about you about yourself joseph uh i'm sure all the we're all intrigued yeah you know um it's interesting we we're living in wild times uh interesting times to say the least

and uh i've come across some information i was hoping i could get your perspective on it perhaps uh it's in regards to uh the significance of of 19 in the quran are you familiar [Music]

[Music] yeah so it's like you know he came across this discovery of this numerological value within the you know uh what is it's called abshad is that the arabic uh yeah i mean that's one way yeah so absurd they they do refer to um just the alphabet as well by object but they also uh they have a numer numerological kind of value with each letter as well um which so the way they would put it i i guess a bit like the the roman letters how x equals 10 and and so on and so similarly

they would write it as abjad the whole words karisa they would write out the letters in that way and write one to ten then then in tens then in hundreds yeah so that's how they get the 786. uh but but i think his uh the the the 19 is greater than that it's not just talking about numerological i think it's it's speaking about i think it um it nests on so i've got this whole youtube talk uh oh sorry i've got this whole mind trap on youtube with the doctor edith who's

from turkey and he's one of the leading you know people on this right now a student of uh rashad khalifa i believe unless i'm getting his name wrong now um and he he runs the website the whole 19 dots will go whatever it's forgotten what it's called now so so we have this whole kind of ex this dialogue on this this discussion right and so it's uh right so this whole discussion and um what what's happening is well for those of you that are not familiar with it is

uh rashad khalifa if he comes across this verse in the quran that it has upon it 19 and and whether the verse is referring to angels or whatever but he feels that this is a very significant it's not just an arbitrary number it's very significant and then what he does is he finds uh amazing and you know very sometimes mind-boggling parallels in the quran with the number 19 so for example if you

count each letter in this particular verse it'll add up to 19 if you count 19 forward like this it'll end up on this verse which will parallel that verse and then each kind of he has like amazing kind of um these links uh which all nest on the number 19. so uh and i and i think that that's it's very intriguing i i do find it intriguing i find it um i know he had some difficulty because eventually there was one thing that wasn't quite adding up so he said i think these two verses were extra in the quran or something but uh that controversy aside i find it interesting that he's saying

look that there's some kind of it's almost as though you know this number keeps appearing but uh i don't share the full enthusiasm as they say that this is a divine kind of code that the number 19 is a divine code um but what are your thoughts on it chelsea you know i find it's extremely interesting um just that 19 itself is like a prime number right so it is yeah when you're looking even at like coding computers you have to use numbers to anchor into the reality so that the language can be processed correctly um

so finding that within the arabic language codified in the quran and then in itself creating a sort of matrix that is this numerological anomaly to expand it further i'm i'm sort of looking at like the geometry of this the sacred geometry around the number 19. and what i found is that um if i don't know if you're familiar with uh this term in regards to a term of the flower of life in regards to geometry flower of life so what it is

it's a buildup of concentric circles it's it's basically a a blueprint you can look at it metaphysically or physically but what you have is that once you reach a certain uh certain location of orbs in terms of the 19 you have something that is the blueprint for the flower of life right okay so just bear with me one second sure once once you move past the 19 on this blueprint you now have something that's called uh the fruit of life it's like another

expansion it's the next level past okay and at this point you're able to create metatron's cube i don't know if i'm familiar with this term but sounds incredible wow okay the gist of it is that metatron's cube is once you reach this point make it megatron metatron metatron okay metatron metatron okay it's only once you reach that point that you can create the platonic solids which

constitutes our physical reality right okay so so what we're looking at is an emanation from beyond the veil which has the location of a signature bearing the number 19 as a whole matrix within this vessel that is now a book that's that's amazing i mean just even how you expressed it it's so so well expressed i i almost thought i was i'd already taken shrooms for a moment now i'm joking

that was so amazingly expressed i love it i love it you did that so well honestly but uh what's what's really amazing here is that it goes deeper because if you look at any planetoid at 19.5 degrees there's an anomaly okay so just going back so you from the flower from the flower of life which precedes the emanation of our physical reality we find the seed of the 19 which is the code code effects of

of what we find in the quran which has now emanated past the physical blueprint for what would create the physical reality into our reality and we can see the signs the whole reason that i even have perceived or anyone could perceive this site because we're in the proliferation from the big bang right okay yeah and so within the proliferation we can see beyond what is coming from beyond the veil the imminent blessings the how the angels are working is some multitude of information and so at every planetoid at 19.5 degrees this threshold between

between these worlds the angelic and the physical so to say yeah there's anomaly jupiter has its red storm yeah the sun has its largest solar flares at this point and 19.5 degrees and to get to this degree you have to put a equilateral triangle within a sphere i'm i'm going a little too deep here but if although you've lost us all in the in the elementary nursery level of really making us all realize how how handicapped our knowledge is of mathematics and geometry but honestly we i am

we're all kind of awestruck with what you're saying um it seems it it's you know i so this is okay so this is how i see it i find these things like i find it amazing like you're mentioning that look so for example how at a certain level that the flower of life turns to the fruit of life and how the number 19 shows up in different places and and look at it even the quran highlights this number alayhatisa now you see to that at that level i'm kind of all like this is how i i find it i've i'm

with you there and i feel that the quran you know these things that we may find in it and this is what i call the superposition nature of the quran that it will reflect to what's going on in life and our world in our day and age as well so you know we're finding all these amazing things the planetary kind of uh you've got degrees of variation or things and 19 is coming up here it's coming up the it's in this cold it's over there maybe it's used in some kind of coding um and it's also in the quran and that is like wow the the part okay this is where i'm not is we

i'm not saying that that is definitively a must that this is why god said it because it's going to be in in the you know the fibonacci code or it's going to be in this so it's going to be in that and it's going to appear in this thing or i feel that when we see it and we see that it does appear in other places it kind of it it's it's like just wows our faith uh a bit you know we see the symbol and we think wow so it's it's more from a like so i'm at a kind of a fascinated stage as opposed to a

devotional stage to the number 19. so this is the kind of gap so when when i had dr edith on see this is where i stood so i kind of stood at look i'm finding all these things he was going through all these things with me and i said look i find it amazing you know you're saying the quran's got this parallel that parallel look number nine that's amazing but do i i there is a bit of like i do think on some things that they kind of i'm sure if you chose another number you could also with some things i'm sure find some parallels like if you chose the number seven for example like they've done in the bible and they said look there's the number seven comes up here comes up here this is the seven continents of an ocean

seven heaven seven blood and so uh i so i'm saying that hmm so i'm at the stage of well admiring it as opposed to being devotionally committed to to the number 19. so this is where where i am i don't know what your thoughts are on that jose yeah i think you're spot on with that um with that perspective i do want to take it one step further because i do believe that as a sign as one of the greatest signs it is a def a defining element of what we would consider heaven and hell

and and that's such a big topic for people that that it would be reflective of of such a grand sign because what we're looking at is unpack that for us a bit because that's right like wow so helen has signed we yeah right so we see okay so we're in the emanations of the big bang right and eventually i mean there's still the cosmic kind of microwave thing going on radiation going on in the background is that that that's what we mean yeah right and then there will be a a universal crunch correct okay sure like yeah the death heat yeah the cosmic crunch yeah yeah so we have

expansions contractions and scientists are saying well this has been happening for eons and that's the whole idea of reincarnation but here's the thing the prophets peace be upon them came to warn about a final cycle where the expansion would crunch but then the expansion would be fixed in the godhead cycle right so this is what 19 is pointing to so when you look at any planetoid within the solar system at 19.5 degrees there's an anomaly on the planet earth it's in hawaii it's the most active volcano on

planet earth now when you look at the same degree oh we're talking about the degrees of like the the latitude and the longitude we're talking about the actual the degrees okay yeah 19.5 degrees okay this is right this anomaly on every planetoid that falls at this uh degree um right um so yes so hell in heaven yeah and and the you're saying that so on the very opposite on the very opposite of planet earth on that degree

is mecca is the kaaba oh to hawaii is it okay wow yeah so so what we have so what we have what is the makkah's degree that's a good point actually what to think that abraham in his time was perceiving things and saw all the prophets that would come that they would come to create this mercy for humanity to enter into this ark i think is is it 20 21.4 or something is that my case at latitude of mecca um

okay but yeah sorry carry on so what we have is a created potential on planet earth to create a capacitor for the soul because we have this emanation of eons right how do you how do you pass through the void how how can you pass through the void and come to the other side into a fixed godhead cycle where there's an infinite amount of energy moving through your soul codes to create a manifestation of wherever you're you're located to right i'm using very vague terms here because

you've kind of you've had us all on the first dose of psilocybin you you're on dmt at this level we haven't even ingested the psilocybin yet i'm a little i'm a little under the weather no no no so no no so so am i and i think everybody else is well now trying to fight them no i'm i'm intrigued i'm trying to grasp it but it's it's so this is so so so much overwhelming what you're saying so uh you're saying that the soul think about this so it has to come through this cosmic crunch right

think about surah till fatiha right okay it's a straight path so if you're moving through a void if you have you bring anything before the most high you're you're getting torn you're being polarized you're going to get polarized you're not going to find your way through so the whole point is to create a mercy for humanity it's like an arc right where you archive your soul you archive your soul in the fourth fifth and sixth amendment i love how you did that

ark you archive yourself wow wow we're and and this is the mercy for humanity because if you went if you if you went for it alone you would be moving i mean you you're gonna be you're gonna be spending eons eons void of the divine blessings right now we're being blessed at every moment every point of reality we're being blessed by the divine of course yeah of course of course countless blessings so part of our journey is to archive these blessings so that sure but how does the number 19 come into all

of this because everything you're saying i'm even if i'm not fully uh i mean we in our own way conceptualizing what you're saying but how does the number 19 fit into all of this because this is what you're saying about because the soul over it are 19 over are 19 which means if you're looking at that from an angelic perspective if they were angels these are pillars of light that are constructs of a manifesting reality which the source would be the most high now if you come into a godhead cycle if over are 19 you could look at the flower

of life and say okay the threshold has been broken and we are now at one and whatever wherever you're at is wherever you're at you know an eternity honestly that is yes people are just looking at some comments number 19 somebody saying yep what did somebody say and like i said toby mcguire yes spider-man spider-man i don't know what that even means but uh yeah wow okay

i don't know i think you know what it is i think it's really just because maybe because i'm i'm thinking i'm i'm i'm struggling to kind of grasp it maybe because i've i'm kind of still all fogged up uh since i've not been well and yeah but but that was definitely 19 19 people 19 is the one because we're we're in the emanations from past the 19 the 19.5 that's the platonic solids in our in our platonic solids are called beyond begin from 19.5

from metatron's cube once you create metatron's cube pass uh the flower of life from the fruit of life you now have the potential for the five plutonics metatron's cube yeah okay i see it now so guys i can't show it there but it's metatron's cube it's said to contain the five key sacred patterns or shapes that make up all matter in the universe known as the platonic solids these shapes are star uh right i'm not going to read these because i'm just going to make mistakes but they're different kind of shaped stars i take it um what do the five the five platonic

solids are considered cosmic solids due to their connection to nature that was discovered by plato the cube represents the earth i mean so number 19 when you're going in that metatron's cube it transforms does it once you get to 19 shapes or 19 right so you have the circles which in essence is like the feminine okay okay just to represent once you get to the flower of life you can create by carving so you're carving the light right you're creating angles angles

angels right you're carving the light and then from here you now have the potential for the order to move forward i might get confusing i'm sorry no no no no it's making sense i'm joking i shouldn't crack up but what i'm cracking about myself i'm thinking it's like it's a stage where it's meant

to make sense but well it's the foundation of the foundation of all of this covid19 somebody just said golfing 19 look at this fuzz nothing nothing right so i yeah you know what that's it's some solid stuff i gotta say joseph you're on to something incredibly profound because it's you know there's definitely this this this substance to what you're saying there's this metatron's cube and uh this stuff i mean the i'm not familiar with the the kind of geometry

geometric kind of analyses but i feel that wow you know what maybe we should if i could maybe i can ground it a little bit girlfriend when moses came to pharaoh right when moses came to pharaoh pharaoh looked at him like okay your god's gonna do what i am literally ruling this reality his his system was the pyramid pyramid system which means he had to rule the reality that's why he claimed to be god he had literally

the reality and the information at his fingertips right so when moses came to him he was he was looking at moses like who whoever your god is i have already seen it all like you're not gonna show me anything but moses said no my lord asks that you free you free the people so that they can circumbobulate in the desert and worship me so he was telling moses he was telling moses your pyramid system will never work it will never work that's not what god wants he wants

mercy he is a merciful the most merciful [Music] that he would bring the people out into the desert so that they can enter into the paradise without having to go through such a system that fair you know this reality would create right ah now i get it i get it so i'm sorry i i i no no no no no that's no that's that's that was really good that that that you followed it up with that i think um you know what honestly this is incredibly profound and i think yeah we should maybe have a discussion

and um there's always mind trap as well to uh get you on and what is it you do generally joseph if you don't mind me asking um in terms of like are you researching this at a uh i mean i don't know are you a student or do you maybe you work or maybe you study at uni or you teach or uh i'm a undergrad student uh undergraduate student and um uh yeah here in michigan oh wow awesome stuff i i i honestly i'm i'm i i love your passion

um for for the subject it's even though i'm sure many of us couldn't grasp the the subject as you can appreciate it's it's obviously a very uh you know in depth subject but we what we can grasp is your passion for it and that's priceless honestly you're doing it yard we have to say that 19 times

well no that's it it's a pleasure to have you on here share your thoughts honestly much love apologies for me bursting out in between that's just my that's cool thank you for taking the time i appreciate i know i've gone a little long here but thank you we only we only went two times 19 minutes i don't come back

so cool man much love joseph uh do send me a message if you're on social media i'm gonna look out for your page and if you're on instagram and we'll stay connected take it much love people joseph from michigan right all right so that was a complicated but it was an interesting uh discussion on the number 19 god 19 minutes well people let's wrap this up whoa is that the time god damn all right so people it's been awesome you know what i wasn't feeling too well today and i

thought even though i'm on the healing side of things and i'm almost kind of better but you know you still haven't fully got there and i wasn't going to do tonight's show and so but then i thought you know what you know this is life isn't it like why not just you know in connecting with people you kind of inf you you infuse life into yourself and into others it brings one to life and i thought yeah let's let's let's let's do this and i'm glad i did

honestly i really enjoyed it uh it's been epic um somebody's saying uh not sure what he's saying but it sounds so cool yeah amy saying something about masala that was like the matrix for the first time oh that was uh i did try to hold in there [Music] you know this is nothing i can be i can be terrible honestly i can be really this is me really well behaved the worst is if i'm

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