Jamal | Depression Cannabis & Occasionalism | Mufti Abu Layth

right we've got pizza guy manager okay assalamu alaikum management pizza guy management yeah man did you order a pizza am i in all right yeah all right you are on stream where are you where are you calling from yeah we're all hungry now all of a sudden yeah man i'm hungry too i am i'm in my lab right now oh wow okay where are you where are you calling from what country florida florida florida

yeah man that's it man all right thought do you have any thoughts or or a question or a statement you'd like to share with us sorry what was it what was your name sorry oh my name is um let's [Laughter] okay

oh you're missing out you're missing out on the melting pot of like okay all the caribbean like colonial spanish caribbean like just that admixture and then oh yeah florida's capitalism and it's just yeah it's in it's crazy here florida is is the place man you guys have got all the i've just got to watch tv series and practice yeah like no it's nothing like that it's nothing like that people are relaxed no not yet mashallah so yeah all right so talk to us what was that science lab is is that what your research

is i'm doing research in entomology so like study of insects oh wow okay yeah anything interesting going on there in that world apart from eating them is not good no eating them is great i heard that oh wow i heard that but i think eating them is great okay wow there you go people from hey do not practice that at home [Laughter] right so no but i don't think that was the intention because i actually talked about it with the scholar but anyways that was a long time ago so okay

yeah cool any other thoughts otherwise we'll call this what's going on with this over here i'm working on an idea to apply nanotechnology to essential oils to um to to communicate with insects instead of killing them with pesticides oh wow yeah wow that's huge man wow i'm really impressed so yeah man i i hope it gets off the ground but we'll see yes yes cool well i wanted to say um i wanted to

say real quick about the last conversation you had okay yeah sure go for it okay yeah i think i think you're rightfully said that you know we gotta we got to value people who think outside of the box because there is sort of been this capture uh by the pharmaceutical industry of public opinion and like how we go about solving these issues but at the same time like you said when you're kind of pushing back you know people that have gone off antidepressants and they haven't like derailed and i think i think that's an important nuance because you know there's um have you heard of

the default mode network in the brain default mode network yeah right okay what do you mean so it's kind of like a network it's kind of like different nodes of the brain kind of interlinked and it emerges from from those interlinking of nodes there merges this network called the default mode network and it's primarily responsible for self-referential thinking so when people get caught into like thinking loops um okay their default mode network can get um stuck basically in a positive feedback loop and it just keeps going and going and going and going and you just keep on thinking about whatever you're

ruminating on and it's uh it's one of the significant factors symptoms of depression sure like negative ruminations just being stuck in a you know right yeah exactly so you know sometimes medication like the previous person said can be a step and sometimes i think it can be a significant step because yeah you know you might be putting you you don't know what uh long-term damage from depression we don't really know what the long-term damage of depression can be because of neuroplasticity like we can be rewiring our brains for negative thought patterns but in the same way

you know the the medicine might give you a chance to rewire in a positive direction but you do have to you do have to do your part and like they say like you know exercises has the same statistical significance of some of these old school um any presence that that we have and like you said you know there's psilocybin based therapy that's coming up yeah because that you know that's that's another thing that you see this this you know the pharmaceutical kind of industries haven't really i know now they you see this this is my point that the the change in direction

because nature has given so many things like let's say you say psilocybin in mushrooms now this is nature's cure to things like depression and and much more but yet politics here would not allow it until big pharma hasn't kind of stepped in and said well you know well we're going to make a lot of money out of this and then following that legislation is kind of swaying so it's not swaying because of the general interest and the heartfelt kind of sincerity it's just swaying because now you know these huge conglomerates have said well you

know we want to capitalize on this and make a bit of money so all of a sudden the legislation's kind of easing up whereas really the the research has shown for so long that psilocybin would kill people so all these people these years going through these kind of ridiculous kind of measures not finding help and the help was there but you know they won't ease up on the legislation and they won't even allow people to do research it's like what kind of where's the scientist where's the science in that you won't even it's called agency capture agency capture it's when for example like our fda our food and drug administration

is captured this entire agency this entire um final voice authoritative voice in what is beneficial and helpful has been totally captured by the industry and so it leaves it leaves the burden unduly on people like you to who are going to spread the message of potential outside of the box theories right for us to kind of like crowd source better knowledge because it's it's true that's well said you know crowdsourcing knowledge because it's it's it's so fascinating to just read up on a lot of this you know it's amazing that a lot of people today when they think of these kind of sacred medicines

like dmt or um let's say mushrooms especially we've all heard of mushrooms since we're kids magic mushrooms they think many people will associate them with drugs drugs like recreational drugs and how they've been so swayed by politics which global politics which was swayed by nixon and it's interesting that nixon's war on drugs has had such far-fetching impact that that people today who haven't even heard of nixon they wouldn't really care anything about him and they would not join these dots they in fact they

probably think these thoughts are absurd but this is how it just goes back it goes back to this kind of campaign for whatever his own political motives this blank kind of statement and i i the detail people can bring research the details the courts hadn't even passed their kind of judgment he had just ruled a lot of these drugs as in the same category as just completely proscribed you know it's like it's like the propaganda that was out for marijuana you know in the turn of the century it's um it was actually the timber industry the wood industry that made money on cutting down trees that launched this

propaganda campaign against marijuana because they were fearful of the hemp phenotype being prolific throughout the united states providing a dominant source of fiber to the industry so the timber industry actually created this panic amongst these innocent um white women in the suburbs of all this crazy mexican weed coming to um destroy their daughters and make them more sexually promiscuous with black men so this is incredibly and that that the whole motivation was the timber industry

like and okay yeah so it's just it goes to show that like so much of culture can be influenced and hijacked yeah yeah it's so true man so true and i i think yeah it's uh by the way by the way by the way i am uh smoking some really high quality um pakistani chitral kush grown in florida grown in florida this is indica oh yeah medical marijuana oh bro the highest quality man you know we got it you know [Laughter]

okay people i'm not encouraging those of you that are watching this to go and do that do not i i do not advocate smoking no indica doesn't that just doesn't that just i think there is some research if your brain is still developing you should reconsider smoking marijuana so i just want to put that out there i don't know if it's conclusive but i've said that in my videos i've said that i believe it would be haram for people uh who's still going through neuroplasticity to because the danger i think it's it's probably irreversible allahu alam but i mean it's it's it's i just i just think it's got to be very dangerous

so uh brain is very plastic yeah yeah but especially i think if people are doing it when they're younger and because the neuroplasticities last till about 25 it's still kind of growing so if people maybe what's happening to the synaptic kind of you know what's happening to the synapse is how how are things being damaged i just feel that that the risks seem so high and you see and you know we spoke about depression you see a lot of younger people i know depression is much higher it seems much higher in younger people

as does i feel there's a correlation with things like uh you know what is it cannabis consumption or marijuana consumption as well so yeah and then there's all the whole schizophrenic predisposition um thing so i actually have a working theory on processing cannabis based metabolites because actually the essential oils that i'm uh fracturing into nano-sized encapsulations are cannabis so i'm i'm trying to use cannabis to talk to insects but um okay yeah drug insects no no i'm really not trying to drug them

we actually kill them right now we still repurpose chemicals from from world war ii to to make sure pests don't eat our food and we're we there's not a square meter on this entire globe that does not have residual pesticide um droplets so this is important that we look for new solutions for getting insects off of our food wow well you know what uh all right well hey okay let's do one real quick okay

real quick let's see then let's see i'll land the plane i'll end the plane i'll end the plan um uh you should you should come out to florida this time but yeah we were talking about oh okay okay we had a beautiful clear sky sunny 70 degree day today and i think we might be out of winter but um um but i wanted to talk to you about this you talked about the glance you talked about the glance today the glance the glass yeah yeah yeah so

my question is do you think that supports an occasionalist view of reality this idea that fundamentally we're constantly being sustained by this glance right uh i don't okay so because i guess we are in the glance of god so to speak you know like a lot watches over us i'm not trying to say in the idealistic i'm not i mean i'm not for or against

the idealistic kind of argument of well you know there's just ideals and things only exist so long as we observe them i'm not saying that like so when i was speaking of the glance i was kind of saying that well we operate at a level of consciousness and awareness but the moment we become aware of somebody aware of us we kind of have a heightened sense of awareness so because we are now not only the subjects of our subjective experience but we become aware that we are also objects being watched and there's like this recursive effect

yeah like exactly exactly this kind of reflexive uh meta kind of uh attention that is taking place where we're attentive of someone being attentive of us so yeah so that that's what i was so i know you've got like george barkley in the whole in idealism well well if if i'm not observing it it's not even there and or what's to say it's even there and then well his kind of ultimate argument is well the world only is there because well god is observing it i'm not i wasn't kind of engaging that discussion

i was just trying to say that we if it fluctuates it becomes heightened it changes the moment and at a fundamental level we we change or we change or we can change reality as it emerges from its potential in the quantum field we can impact it at least so the the whole kind of interference double slit example when we become conscious of it it it kind of manifests slightly differently is still manifest but differently and so i was just saying the power of the

glance right down to social media where how we become you see like somebody may say i you know they have a social media profile and they are the creators of their profile and that in essence they the control is meant to you know this is meant to be the locus of control but really what what we start to see is that starts to control them and it's by people casting their glance on it that the more they they are being viewed by people it changes them they become kind of answerable almost to the profile and i

think it's just there's just so many interesting things there that's what i was saying but yeah yeah i think we better wrap this up it's been good it's been good jamal shukran we should go to puerto rico let's go guadalajara back to spain and then you and then to

can show me uk all right yep i'm sure the weather would just be like from you're talking about from florida right down to the uk and you're like what the hell is going on here no i've been in the uk before it's beautiful it's beautiful oh you have masha'allah that's awesome right jamal take care of yourself and we'll speak soon for joining us people that was jamal from florida