Caller runs off from the debate - Will Jesus Return | Mufti Abu Layth

hey ah this let me ma what is going on you know this is three hours in but what's going on what's going on what's going on man what's going on so essentially i had a question like um you you what's your question yeah i gave you i gave you quotes from uh um what's his name and uh

this is to do with jesus coming back yes exactly yeah okay okay can i ask you something since you're so hell-bent on this let's say on proving establishing this belief for others uh do you believe this is a fundamental belief of islam i would say so you feel it's a fundamental belief of islam yes from the majority of whatever ideas not be a muslim without this belief no i wouldn't say that's i'm still looking to the i don't think that's i don't think it's a fundamental like hell for not believing in this belief not necessarily

you know not necessarily but hello throw those questions aside let me ask you something jesus coming back right since this is something you're very passionate about and you're passionate to prove it can you tell me what is the purpose of jesus coming back what is the purpose of it i'm not i'm not going into that i just want to know oh since he's coming back is he coming back without a purpose yeah that's besides the point i was just curious because you're saying you're a maliki right how can that be

besides the point you know why because i'm about about trying to say that every muslim should believe in jesus coming back surely this belief has a reason to it here or do you just want us to believe every muslim should believe that uh every fifth frog is orange i mean is this such a random uh thing that we're coming up with or is this is there meaning behind this um presumably there is meaning of course there's meaning so since you do believe in it you obviously do believe in jesus coming back i'd like to ask you what do you believe he's coming back to do well obviously to uh

fix whatever uh mess the christians have started right with the oh he's coming back just for the christians yeah why not so then why didn't you anticipate and kill the girl at all why did god allow the christians still to mess up for 2000 years and then send him or like at least why not just send him at that time finish the job that's that's the wisdom of allah so the wisdom of allah is allow people to not believe in allah that's the wisdom of allah i'm not going to question it that's right all the christians who have died up until now god

allowed them to be misguided and then he chose to withhold jesus christ from coming to correct them but he's going to send him at some point to save a few christians but the bulk by that time have been misguided and god is now going to punish them but he's going to favor a few is this the same yeah yeah please don't run away from what i have what i came to establish you say you're a maliki right i'm running yeah okay so why did all the maliki scholars believe in it you say you're maliki jesus says none shall reach the father except through me i'm embracing jesus talk to us about jesus

what is it that why is god you believe in god sending jesus i want to know since you do believe in it unless you're going to tell me i believe in something i don't know anything why i or what i actually believe in then in that case there's no real difference between you and somebody who doesn't believe in it so if you do believe in it i've asked you what is the purpose now you said the purpose is for him to want to save all the christians which is really ironic since the antichrist you must start the point now this is the point

disagrees with you according to your version the hadith don't say to kill the antichrist but you listen listen listen the muslims before you the monkeys oh my god don't misquote that no i'm not even talking about the reason behind it i'm saying did the muslims believe it yesterday did the prophet tell you to believe in this of course okay what do you do there man according to khadi all the followers that you quote they say

so let's go to the prophet you said the prophet the prophet is enough for us let's go to the prophet so the prophet says in the hadith and you believe this hadith to be correct that the reason god is going to send back jesus in one of hadith it mentions that the jail thing what do all the other you know these that you're claiming in the 20s and the 30s what do they say they say he's coming to establish the kingdom of god

adalen that he will descend as a judge on earth so you believe let me get this right which is the verse out of the bible by the way and it's christian belief and that's how this hadith was made up through abu hurairah and through those people who mixed it up but the point is you feel that this hadith the prophet is telling people that jesus is going to come as a judge on earth he's going to come to judge mankind that's what the hadith says and the hadith says he will give them either they embrace islam or they face the sword now what does the quran say like

the hadith says don't make us wait with this you see these people this is the problem these people they start these discussions and they can't answer them they haven't got the answer let me tell you what that hadith says the hadith says jesus will come and he will descend to judge mankind he will have he will give them two choices islam or the sword and those that join him will be safe and those that don't he will fight them what does the quran

say there is never compulsion to embrace islam what is this particularly no jesus will force people to become muslim you think what kind of church are we embracing here this is bye bye this one big problem you know these people run away you know they come underprepared so people with that let's wrap it up it's been awesome

uh right uh see this is why i say i'm all happy to have a uh i'm all happy to have a dialogue but then don't uh don't you're running you know these are not nice you know you need to talk you know it's good to talk it's good to talk kill one then most time my phone is messed up

[Laughter] is a misguided individual but they've also believed that to take people as slaves is fine do you believe why are you why are you a maliki then what's the point of being malignant yeah the purpose of maliki is the legacy it's not to worship y'all no you believe now let me ask you since you're quoting others as an authority do you accept him as an authority i'm i'm not a malaysian i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm speaking to you i'm speaking on

your ground let me ask you which scholar do you accept as an utmost authority that whatever he says girls uh that doesn't matter we're not talking about me this is your channel right if you want to come on my channel you're more than welcome no it's okay for you to recognize that we don't worship scholars but you expect me who's actually trained in the sharia to worship all the young just because i rate and respect him no but it's not just you're not missing my point it's not just all of the malaki scholars all the major monarchy scholars believe okay why are you in 2020 coming with the difference right first of all i'm not coming in 2020.

first of all i want to clear one thing are we allowed to blindfollow in belief matters yes are you allowed to blindly follow in akita that there's one god it's in this it's it's a part of the quran this is the basic following blindly follow that you do know that that's a fundamental you are absolutely wrong by the way you clearly do this is adida 101 right it's not even one of you it is haram

by isma of ulama of islam to blindly follow in just believing in one god you have to believe that's not belief if i just say i believe because you said it you say i believe in one god yeah whatever you say i believe your belief is my belief that that is bs that's unacceptable yeah i never i never said that i said you have to believe that that's what you believe i asked you can you blind follow me

very clearly live stream that it's okay to blindly follow in beliefs so okay so it's haram to blindly following no i never said that i never said that i said in uh in beliefs like so in arabia is it is a mutterwater belief to believe that it's been it's been transmitted by many of them is it okay to blindly follow in akida or do you have to believe it yourself you have to believe it yourself okay so why are you so the fact you're asking me to blindly follow

just because such and such said it is that not a contradiction with the akita of islam i'm saying in in the news of isa what you're saying to me it's haram to blindly follow which the ulama actually say by the way it's haram to blindly following so now if it's haram to blindly follow that means i don't believe it but just because xyz said it i'm gonna say i i don't know what it is i'm just saying whatever they said okay on this is it on this issue is there his map oh right so what what is the ichima on the nozzle yes there on is

do you feel there is i'm just asking you maybe you know more than me right so do first of all right the the the fact that you're asking this what is what what is the definition of ijmat in the maliki school is mountains would that even be if it's only any of the malady okay let me just ask you for the public right means consensus and by consensus you mean something that carries weight within sharia it cannot be kind of just you can't just ignore it it's a compelling argument it's compelling evidence right so ichima is only ishmael of the ummah there is

saying this each month this gang doesn't mean anything in islam it's not the ichima of the malikiyah that's ridiculous that's as dumb as it gets that's my definition school in the maliki school that's true is this the majority the majority of the scholars in the melody school okay is the truth democratic is the truth democratic is islam established by democracy what kind of question is that because you said that the majority have voted for this so is this how we establish truth in islam falsehood and truth we establish it by a democratic vote no we should we should

establish it by proofs and evidence so let's go to the evidence let's go to the hadith the hadith says that jesus will come and he will give people two options he will either give them iman you can choose islam or you can be put to the sword this clashes with the quran like do you accept this kind of an islam would be okay for jesus to come and forth [Laughter] you know in the words of john ilia [Laughter] whenever we're speaking about something right he runs off