All In Good time | Meaning With MALM #35 | Mufti Abu Layth

[Music] let me just do a quick whoa almost has knocked everything over let's do a quick uh sound check make sure everything's getting through fine um

whilst you guys are confirming that i'll just bring up some files all right where are we right so

just take a look is the sound all right so i take it the sound is all well let me just see who has tuned in in at this

godly hour allah um right

so what is going on whoa let's get the podcast going yeah all right let's get the podcast is this the podcast or is mine trap the podcast we talking about that i don't know let's get them both going either way so

we've got najmi bachok muhammad najmi bashock alhamdulillah first time i caught your stream early first of many first of many inshallah so people aha yeah let's get this show on the road so what is going on i thought let's share today what else then an awesome understanding of

i bring this up allah all in good time this was more a pragmatic quote that i'd seen it's interesting it's not about the ability to wait you see in life we all got we've all got to wait you know it doesn't really make a difference you know if something's going to happen it's going to happen um and you've just got to you know upon occasion you haven't got there's nothing you can do

but the difference is the attitude right there's a an epic hadith that instantiates and illustrates this an incident from the life of the prophet with this

person i believe it was a woman but but an individual is um is incredibly distraught at the death of a family member naturally a um you know a [Music] an earth-shattering tragedy for anyone so the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam passes by and sees um this woman come you know

he is completely wailing and [Music] shouting and and the prophet says have patience and they say well you know it's easy for you to say and the prophet salallahu doesn't he just okay and he just just carries on as he was no no kind of like excuse me who do you think you're talking to none of that very understanding just walks on

now she comes to realize later on that oh you know that was the prophet and i shouldn't have really reacted in this way it wasn't befitting it's not um you know appropriate propriety so she goes to the prophet and says that you know what i i should have had patience i'll i'll ospir now i will have patience [Laughter] and that's good but the prophet says that innama in

see patience is at the first strike you know afterwards everybody falls in line you know you you have no choice life pulled you along eventually so and this is for everyone i mean it's a very difficult thing it's not something to be taken lightly but i thought and it's i guess the theme is more than just patience but it's about all in good time because patience is often for adversity but this in good time is about both it's not just about adversity

and i saw this quote and i thought what a quote silence is the language of god all else is poor translation vah right now this um you see why do i think these things are important because all in good time the theme that i'm the kind of backdrop that i wanted to just nest today's meaning with mount in is is not necessarily about adversity exclusively as in not exclusively it

could be good things or bad things insane has this we all do you know we have this haste [Laughter] ah it is but it it is though you know it's um and often that can lead to to problematizing the actual event we can be so eager that we maybe ruin things in anticipation or we may not be able to remain calm enough

so this is it's a neutral message that you know that everything is in its time all in good time allah and you know in our in maliki in the school of imam malik there's a there's a marxim a kind of law within the you know legal maxim that states that

that somebody who tries to set about something to do it as a legal loophole that thing becomes forfeited for them so if a person is doing something in a way to to kind of bring something closer by using islamic loopholes then it becomes prohibited for that person it's the same element and you find it sometimes in um

you know it's weird because i don't um i don't really like the um the whole those of you that remember in the fifth books they had chapters and chapters upon talaq that this oath talaq of oath or the oath of talaq and it's where talaq becomes suspended and stipulated with a condition and that may be a proximal intention or a distal intention by proximal we mean one that is immediate and by distal one in the

distance so so for example people would say oh you know antithalic if you know you're divorced this gonna sound it could be as dumb as saying when i finish drinking this cup of coffee ah your divorce [Laughter] people had nothing better to do or they could say antithalic the day that fulan comes back from his tour or visit and that could be months from today or whatever and it's it's where you attach a condition you attach

the talaq to an event and if that event occurs then the talk occurs obviously certain ulama disagree with this um i side with those i feel that these things have no validity in islam but nevertheless they were huge and they fill up the books of the lark which is perhaps the largest if not the second largest book in the entire books of felk and it's really just filled with this stuff stipulated talaq this that you know that there's a shark

that what does the poet say that [Laughter] says if there wasn't a condition of being loyal then there is no lover that is greater than me it's all about shark and jawabu

so now yeah so in that condition you see so let's say somebody stipulated a condition and the person tries to do it in order to fulfill the talaq so it's weird because then some scholars would say oh this you know you since you're trying to precipitate it it doesn't happen but anyway push those discussions aside all right so

allah and it's an interesting term agile because you get from it i guess also what is from the root the angel the calf the kind of haifa in the quran the whole story of moses and i guess ajila is also like a wheel that goes around in arabic right so let me see those of you that are just tuning in you can click like and share

me piercing the heart true true um sharing look at this we've got straight away what are the ways to find his past is struggling i guess one way could be that you figure out all the haram ways and then whatever's left is

this called the method of elimination allah make things easier i mean um somebody's saying about razali interesting that word means cassette tape in somali or interesting

true these are interesting points there's another one on what does he say on wafer my yeah i've cited it before the one um hmm that

it'll come to me right so suggested uh what's this i once lucy when jones i once suggested a wannabe polygamous man murray the leader of the taliban stuart and live with his in-laws that would be quite a that would be quite an interesting life therefore you know from that point i'm good

all right so let's move forward let's take a look at some verses in line with this so let's bring up today's silence is the language of god see because if you think about it words

words by the very nature they limit but the word you see the word is almost you know the uh the kind of enantiodroma that the kind of opposing super potential effects that the word has on one hand i feel that the word is

it brings it is almost like the source of life that it brings to life things that could not have otherwise been and i feel on one hand it has this you see you for example let me explain

you see you write something almost into being you put down a you write down a plan a to-do list a strategy and often it is you see it's the power of the word when you think of it and how it's used over time that a person speaks and how there is a reaction no see you can see why people think

the word inca is is magic say a general exclaims march or shoot and at the kind of the the almost magical pronouncement of his word the armies unleash

unleash their their weapons they unleash the rage the word when you think of the word just what the word can do can evoke an emotion it can bring someone to tears it can make somebody ecstatically you know in a state of ecstatic joy beyond themselves

it's it's truly when you see the power of it it's in almost impossible that we have the word almost impossible language makes zero sense when you think about it it's not something that could be rationalized it would be deemed an absolute impossibility to

just think about it how does language work the signified and the signifier it would be impossible to orchestrate language impossible yet it's the most basic and obvious of human traits and it's in many in in some ways when we look at the the mystery of allah saying in the quran

you see it's interesting because allah says in the quran that um you see allah's command if you like or is mata however you want to understand um but this part now is quite mysterious because really one could think that allah's affair when he wanted

something to be a radha that with the errada it was but it wasn't you see with the divine will it ought to have emerged into existence yet it didn't

allah brought the word into existence be then it was see that's a strange you know there's so much i think in that verse to unpack that it may take a lifetime to understand it and still not understand it that why why that injunction like it doesn't it should have really just been when allah willed it was but there's something about the word

that is so powerful beyond measure that allah is bringing our attention to that so and then the the irony the kind of enantiodrama that you have this thing in jungian psychology of a thing with its absolute opposites polarized opposites that if it has that capacity to bring something into existence then does it possess the

the just i could just hear the pc once again right does it have its opposing powers if you like to to reduce what's going on right does it and and when you think about it it does because the moment you trap something into the word it also loses at times it just loses its spirit in some ways not all see that

like you have the polarized opposites that the moment you try to because if you think about it institutionalization is built on structuralizing everything and giving it structures and formations and the word is built on form so when you impose a word on something you are imposing a form a structure and thereby restricting that very thing it's like when we try to

speak about god or we try to speak about we can't whatever we do it's an infantile attempt so it's it's it's amazing just wow the the polar opposites of the spoke of the word food for thought food for thought people there you go right let me oh shukran

okay we've got we've got quite a bit of a discussion going on about people and polygamy huh polygamy always there's a a discussion doesn't it it's you know we have to understand i um yeah there was a clip i shared recently and it got a bit of a it got a bit i think some heated discussion or comments and yeah because i spoke about polygamy and

people kind of responded like because i guess the truth is that people abuse these concepts and um because they abuse them it results in a kind of it results in a lot of hurt people so people are not very um you know as you can imagine they're not very happy to to hear just the term and they think well you know this is all um men use these things as just

i don't know just um excuses they use the religious angle as an excuse and which is i guess true people do people abuse anything that they have any opportunity to abuse and if that's religion then undoubtedly would be religion people abuse anything and everything if you give um [Music] a remit a kind of an authority over something they will abuse it

now the question is to obviously to what extent and is it knowingly or unknown you know is it unknowingly kind of um being abused and are the is it being mitigated is it being and ideally that there's no abuse whatsoever but they're almost always will be some um overstepping that's unfortunately the fitrah of insane and and so religion is no in fact religion is often weaponized and it is used by people to to get what they want

people will you know they if they want to tell the kids off they'll use islam people want to control each other they use islam you know the amount of if you think of spousal issues you know the amount of times people will um they they'll have let's say arguments or there's like a bad dynamic between them and how often religion is weaponized to kind of

to secure some shots fired now people will be like well you don't pray [Laughter] you know they'll be like you don't do this you know oh you don't you do this you do that you know you smoke that's haram or you watch tv that's haram you listen to music that's haram [Laughter] shabbash this is

you know well well if that's the attitude why didn't you just divorce your spouse and go and get a job in a madrassa [Laughter] because it's it's true i mean that that's got to be incredibly patronizing um nev you know the dean is something you only impose on you and that's the irony people actually don't impose it on themselves that's actually

and or where they do they they may impose it on themselves in devices that they can handle but look everybody will have their own vices and look each at their own pace in their own time see all in good time people will grow and develop

at their own pace in accordance with their own journey now sure that doesn't mean a person needs to be with the other person they could say well you know this isn't i can't really put up with this or this ain't really working for me and cool they can just opt out islam does not um islam does not um prohibit talk okay not that it encourages that it doesn't say everybody go out there and do talk but i'm and i'm not encouraging that people do that but it's a it's not in

islam a a haram mata it's there if people if it isn't working you can opt out sure opting out shouldn't really just be such an you know super easy thing because if it is like that then you need to question your own kind of grounding because in life there'll always be struggles you see there'll be some kind of hurdle so if every little annoyance shall we say your inconvenience you feel okay i'm opting out then it's not really going to you know that that person is still just very much a child at heart so they really probably need another

decade or decade and a half to mature a bit more then they're probably ready for a relationship but that said i mean it's not the reason i'm saying is it's not an absolute a person can't do it but you shouldn't instrumentalize the dean as a weapon or a tool aimed at someone else just remember at all times we are not god and these people worshiping are not worshipping us they worshipping at their own pace now

somebody may pray most people don't pray it's it is what it is you know it's not up to you to decide whether another person prays or not sure i mean you could say well you could encourage well i'll tell you look better than encouraging i'll tell you better than that better than encouraging it just be a a beacon of light of understanding just lead by example in being a good person sha allah may allah make it easy for each and all

let me just see there was a super chat i think i missed it the um issue somebody said could you speak about the hajj issue okay um i i will sh one moment let me just see the super chat uh desi x edits much love for the super chat why don't sunni update organized fit like the shia it's a very good question um roofie shakaran shukran much love for the super chat right so all right okay hajj

um all right so the hajj there's been quite a an uproar in in the western in the west and especially the uk the states i believe so what we had i'm not uh from what i'm aware what saudi had was a kind of [Music] almost like a kill system going on so the rest of the muslim world who want to go on hajj they have uh this kind of uh system which is a lottery system so you select you put your name forward um you know it's it's a roll of the dice if you like

whoever's numbers come up they get allocated a token to hajj and naturally they have so for example if you have certain with you i think they get approved as well so that's how it kind of works so your application so an application has people associated with it so let's say you've got your parents your children whatever now that was the rest of the muslim world however for uh the west i i i assume europe too but definitely the uk and and westward so we're talking about the us canada etc they didn't have the

same system they had like a an agency system so they had these intermediaries who were approved by saudi and they often and they kind of had uh they would be the middle people that would enable the visas if you tried to apply for a visa not through one of them it was next to impossible that you would get a visa it had to go through these kind of approved people and they weren't that many for the entire country they you know it's very it's like a bottleneck squeeze so all the multiple agents that you had

that were travel agents hajj agents omra agents you know these kind of uh travel agencies they usually most of them were all under these few agents so they would obviously pay these people these people would had the ultimate monopoly of um you know getting the hajj so even if you set up this is what um you know comes to to light so what the new saudi system was that look scrap all of that and now we're simply anybody who wants to go can just apply online if they're approved

if they're not you know tough luck next time maybe so hmm so as opposed to these people just having and and the middle people where there was more of a window i guess allocated or i guess maybe there wasn't a ceiling so it was just whoever these people approved uh i take it it may have been like that allahu adam so now is this any good is it but i don't i mean one thing for sure is that you see so the downside is that well people can't go with their tour agencies

so they can't go so you had these agencies who set up these hajj tours and they would have a selected imam they would take you over there they would kind of guide you do all the thing and you'd just be with your tour whoever they are whatever people let's say in the dozens or 50 or whatever they are 100 or whatever these people are you would just go with that to a group or maybe just 20 people or however it was now it's you're just independent so you just go on your own and they will just have allocated spots where this is where the brits will kind of set up camp this is where the brits rest just as they've always had for other countries like

pakistan all the pakistanis go there all the chinese go there all the indonesia indonesians go there so now they'll just have british people in one place americans etc so you lose out on that like that very targeted specific imam uh small catered group with subtle provisions that was slightly different but the upside is that the monopoly has now been snatched away it's a free-for-all the price has come drastically down because these hajj agencies some of them were extortion i mean it was ridiculous what they were

charging people to go on hajj most people cannot afford a hajj like that they cannot afford umrah like that most people just speaking just being honest most people can't you know most people can't pay whatever it is fifteen thousand pounds uh 20 000 pounds uh they can't pay this kind of stuff to to go on hajj so and especially you know it's not just sometimes one person going on hajj there might be a few so it's brought that down to a fraction like maybe 20 percent of the cost so so you can see that wow okay where was the rest of the money going

well anyway [Laughter] why not why why not people have to make a living huh i have to make a living or a killing but you know we have to be careful we are we have to be careful i'm very pro you know people being entrepreneurial enterprising uh you know people being all these things i'm very pro it um you know go

make money do you know do your business ideas go for it make as much money as you can but just be weary whenever you associate dean with it you know it's not you know this this is dangerous okay now i don't mean a little you know people might take a little do this a little but real you know if you associate your like people's actual sense of islam with money

and making money off that i don't know man i mean i'm i'm not saying maybe people's intentions are really good maybe they're thinking you know i'm helping people but then if you are really over stepping and you are extorting an extortioner prices if you know that's like that's another level of oppression that you use allah and his messenger

inhaling honestly that's something which i i would always advise people be very weary if you're if you're starting to make money by something linked so integrally to islam to people's islam i don't mean something you know like somebody makes a cup and they write oh islam forever and sells a cup you know that doesn't mean anything sure if somebody wants to buy they can buy whatever that's not linked to somebody's integral islam but things like this

you know these things that'll go very deep into people's identity into the like the core of their heart like be it's just it's another thing to take yeah it's another thing as well you see you know there's a there's a sanctity to makkah and medina that it's a there's something see we we have there's a sacredness and we we have to kind of understand that and i guess that's one of the problems

as well you know where people repetitively go to these places they lose its sanctity you know you hear of people doing all kinds of things somebody mentioned something to me about somebody from medina you know saying certain things and mess you know just just like

it's these places have a sanctity yeah i i would rather not go to these places than go with a corrupt mind and heart i wouldn't like i went as a in my late teens since then i've had enough you know like people say i don't know if opportunities are right but there's been yeah i guess several occasions where people have said but i don't feel in all honesty that i'm

in a right place you know there is another there is something there is a maqaam to these things that when a person is you know khalip says that which face will you go with to the kaaba that you have no shame that there is a there's just a sanctity you know imam malik imam malik was incredibly rich in his time he was really was very wealthy

and in his lifetime overall especially since he oh let's say a lifetime but since he came off big you know he be he came of some stature amongst the community and he became imam malik he refused to ride a horse or a donkey or a beast you've refused in the streets of madinah

he that imam malik you refuse to wear shoes in madina when imam malik had passed away they they said that in his you know his his kind of belongings he had i i believe it's over a hundred pair of shoes sometimes people had gifted him his own but he refused to wear shoes even in the streets of madina that he said that it's so well known of him that he said that the prophet salallahu alaihi salam had stepped here

and they say to these places sanctity may allah enable us all to to have that level of consciousness yeah madina in that day and age was much smaller than the city today was so it was probably maybe just slightly larger than the prophet's mosque medina

today the graveyard it was not inside medina back then okay let's move let's move on i'm not saying by the way that people can't wish i'm just showing you the harm that people had but you know we go there today there's this constant exposure there's this um you know this kind of urbanization we're so busy we the spirit is like it goes like we just you know it's a name i've done hajj i'm this part of this i'm part of that yeah just i guess it's just a thought all right let me

did i i missed a super chat right i think i missed a super chat let me go back this he edits his question about why don't the sunni update the effect yeah it's a problem your guests will be as good as mine why don't they do it i think part of it it's the panopticon you know effect that we muslims are living under a panopticon and we are

all afraid of one another and it's this kind of causal um impact and because of it we it inhibits us from doing things like we can't update things because i think he's going to criticize me he can't do because he thinks they're going to criticize they can't do because they think he's going to he can't do because he thinks i'm going to criticize and we're all afraid all very weary hyper vigilant so so we i don't i i can't see it happening i can't see it happening it's the panopticon effect

right um we've got hassan razak shukran much love for the super chat celebrating aid on sunday sure why not why not yeah some people are doing it saturday some people are doing it sunday it doesn't really matter to be honest it doesn't matter um johnston john stone salam of the my community people like to go to hajj classes for years and there's so many to add to like to know what is the authentic natural way of performing hajj

um okay sure shukran much love for the super chat right the look the simple thing is that you can look you can make dua in any language according to the school of medina okay so wherever you want to make dua if you remember a if you do remember the dua for that thing let's say that's more of ritual dua because if you can't understand arabic then you don't really understand what you're asking but let's say you've somewhat memorized the meaning so you know this two eyes asking about goodness and

but you don't understand the words individually and you just read it it's more of a ritual which is good but you can also just make dua you can just say it in english you can say it in any language the main thing is about the devotion so if you think about it in islam it says is simply arafa which is another discussion in itself because it's so

you know it raises the question well that's another you know some other day you know say yes that's another discussion how did because you would have thought it's more to do with you know the whole if you're because is it going back to ibrahim alaihissalam because ibrahim al-islam isn't connected to arafah so what is the whole thing but al-hajj okay so the hajj is simply arafa

everything else is secondary now okay now what is a lot of what happens a lot of it's simply devotion nothing happens you just stand what do you do or you can make dua are there any are we really taught what kind of duas to make well not really because you're going to stand there for so many hours and there's no draw that expands so many hours even if you're taught a dua or two or a couple of hours it's you know that's at best

five minute job it's not not you know it's not so really the dua is something from the heart it is a sense of devotion what it's meant to be is in this state in this standing a person is meant to be in a state of contemplation

almost saying not you know i suppose contemplative more than meditative contemplative reflective introspective looking within looking without united unity experience bringing everyone together but yet personal in the sense of person whilst thinking about certain things can ask it's really when you think of it it's a um

it's a strange phenomenon and i wouldn't get lost in all the what am i supposed to say you'll know what to say just say it so and i feel that's the amazing thing of so many people that when there's so many people it's like there's no one because you see a group of people makes everyone self-conscious but as the group expands beyond the certain number you're no longer self-conscious because

it's like well it's like nobody because you all of a sudden become an individual again because it doesn't matter you know because if you were standing here now and i surrounded you by 20 people told you to say something aloud you'd be very self-conscious that these 20 people are listening to me but if you are surrounded by 2 000 people 20 000 people 200 000 people two million people

were all uttering something you dissolve in that sea you no longer exist so it doesn't matter so it ironically gives you the comfort of privacy it's amazing but yeah so that's um yeah so that so that's what i would advise look don't um just go with the doors that you can remember and and you can ask to art in any language right i missed a super chat red sea red sea says at the end of the day we worship whatever we desire

be careful one doesn't worship the ego that's the throne of shaitaan the hidden enemy within allah all right so let's let's move on i was able to shaytan origin what an amazing verse allah really brings this theme this topic of all in good times

and the other verse from that 21. [Music] you see let me just bring this up right now oh no this is too i need to oh that's way too

cool allah allah says that insane has been created from haste now one may say what does that mean one could say because here there's a lot of ways to read this and the mufasirin have they've given several commentaries on it it could mean um in a state of haste

it could be metaphorically from we're calling it haste almost his essence is haste the way if we were to say for example they say um you know the great generous philanthropist um arab from jahiliya times that all the arabs would use proverbially that oh if somebody was ejwad him you know he's more generous than that they they could say

that you know he's created from generosity so created from haste that in sun it is part and parcel of our very being to be to be always in a state of haste yeah one way we could also take a look at this is that you see if you think about it

let's say being or the world or the universe is going back to almost 14 billion years or 13.8 or however you want close to 14 billion years let's say and the earth going back to you know 4 billion now when you're looking at life emerging on earth hundreds and hundreds of millions of years

life is emerging and through its emergence it is finding its place amongst existence you know in a kind of hierarchical structure it's forming a taxonomical structure it's you've got mega fauna you've got all kinds of creatures they're kind of finding their place within nature and this takes place for hundreds of millions of years and then for millions

upon millions of years we're seeing some solidification of these structures mammals emerging then all diversifying and finding their place finding where they fit in their strengths their skills

their powers the prowess that they that they harbor that they can exhibit and then somehow within the last hundred thousand years this incense emerges in some way in relation to other entities of being one could see that this insane was

it always very sudden compared to the others they had millions and millions of years of forming and this insurance with its cognitive revolution suddenly appears and maybe that's one reason that incen has struggled because it's insane is not the strongest of creatures and we're not the weakest

but we may slot into this kind of taxonomical structure maybe the middle slightly upper quartile but not nowhere near the top i mean we're not but then with our reasoning faculties with our social structures that we create out of thin air with our belief systems in sun rises so suddenly you know i mean agile

to the top of this and becomes this apex creature that may be responsible for the extinction of so many creatures possibly you know at the brink of maybe even compromising the planet as an entity perhaps you know if insulin was to set off so many nuclear warheads that could be the end of the planet as we know it

allah allah says i will look i will show you i will show you the signs the symbols what you're waiting for the rewards the consequences the fruits i will show them all all in its own time

all according to its own pace you know they say a story right this it's you know it's not so sahi in terms of it's not but it's incredible i you know the more i i'll come back to this topic in a moment about folklore okay i'll finish this but i really have started to appreciate the value of folklore and i'll come to why later on you know

things that these traditions that get passed down they may not be academically authentic and things but there's a narration that is um in many book and and many other tafasir and i think it's from mujahid but it's from the salaf they say that when allah had created creation and it was time for adam to be adam so here he is he is this structure he is this this kind of

hollow statue if you like of adam lying still he's lying down he's on the earth he's lying down and it's a friday okay so and allah is breathing consciousness into him so the is coming into other so the story goes that as it went into his his kind of head he he opens his eyes and he starts and all of a sudden he can see the world with with all its you know it's it's glory and and and the raw consciousness continues to come

move lower and lower into his body and he can move his hands and his arms and and it goes all the way down to his waist and he sits up adam sits up and he looks and he can see in the distance the sun setting the sun is setting can see it and it looks like it's going to set and he wants to go there he wants he wants to go get it better he wants to get closer you know the glory of the sunset is amazing against the backdrop of this let's say this paradise of a landscape

that he turns to allah and he says he says [Laughter] you know i love this story honestly i love it he says he says hurry a little if you will you know be before sunset please [Laughter] before sunset please

the reason that story's so amazing is it describes insane perfectly doesn't it the unsettled nature that we have within us so yeah i you know i've read that story it must have been when i was doing if they must have been i mean i've seen it again every now and then i see whenever you going across it but the first time i must have him probably about 22 years ago or something

honestly amazing [Laughter] so whenever you see someone oh they can't be patient they can't just remember that the story all right let's and this but the point of this is also to remind us that allah says look there he has unlimited treasures

that allah will reveal things will these things will unfold but at a set time so sometimes we you know we just have to breathe that it will we have to have that tawakkul that things will happen it will happen at their own pace in their own time good things good things i mean i thought that's an uh an important reminder

let's share it may allah bless us with this gift i mean right let's take a look at your some of your questions you have al kimberla says mufti stream as heisenberg's uncertainty principle you never know when [Laughter] all in good time uh all in good time right so where are we at people what

what was i going to say well right i was going to speak about folklore let me say a few words about this uh and then what i'll do is i'll i'll share the oh i'll i'll speak a bit about the great legend of islam abdullah mubarak and then i'll share the the live stream link and you're more than welcome to jump on so folklore i feel that i wanted to actually say that you know there was a time where i i feared this very differently

i thought all of these things were nonsense and they should have been stripped from islam and you know all of these weak um stories that are put in there and you know these kind of super power stories that you get and very folkloric and sometimes they're about people doing all kinds of things and what is all of this and

and i don't know now i see it differently i see that you know that folklore is not to be viewed as through the academic lens rather it is to be viewed as one would view art

that it's open to interpretation and it evokes within the spectator incredible powers and emotions and it's not to be reduced to simple mechanisms of strokes and diagrams or shapes but that it carries a dynamic that is

almost ineffable that there is this so this is how i see it i mean naturally there will be certain things amongst it that one may not be of your flavor that you know you may not like you may think ah well nothing special to me in this and that's fine we all have our interests but it's yeah as opposed to the academic because the academic perspective is is seeing things like let's say mahadith speak

like i see a narration say well oh is it sahih oh it isn't sahih so it's or is it from speak is there a ruling in it and then wipe it aside but that's not how islam is transmitted to the majority of people it's not this dry academic pursuit it is an evocative emotional interactionist dynamic it is a living tradition

so when i hear these stories now that are said and i tell you what really made me revisit this was has been listening to the speeches of sheikh dr suleiman you know allah bless him i listen to his speeches and maybe they're not for everyone i get that and and about that i'll speak in a moment on what i call the oracle phenomenon okay so i'll speak about that in just a moment the oracle phenomenon but he tells a lot of these stories he'll

tell stories and they i've beco i've come to realize wow i see now you know it's like it's as though for so long i couldn't see it like let me give you an example like he he is here's a story that he relates now um i can't i think he recalls it to do with in the time of imam ghazali he says that there was this um this great individual a great chef known for his relationship with god

and and this person this one day so he's speaking about this person and this one day something's happening and it's raining and this person says ah you know like today really isn't the day for like it's not you know this isn't the right timing for rain like it's not really what what the hell you know and anyway he has to go about and do his things and and he does and whatever and so but this person is a great person in in this story and is somebody everybody recognizes and they they're wowed by

so it comes to pass eventually that when this person he's on his deathbed and he passes away and i think the the the coal uh the colleague in the story or the other person is imam razali so in imam razali after him has a dream where he sees this individual and he asks him what did allah do with you

and he says that he raised me and then he asked me he said so tell me when is the right time for rain he said tell me did you tell me when is the right time for rain and this [Laughter] it's so now you take a story like that and

that and he's obviously saying that what is that like you tell us you see what these stories do is they evoke in individuals the conscience to introspect and to be grateful to not overstep this is how to most people the faith has moved and moved on and been transmitted it hasn't been transmitted through

the academic pursuit or by saying let's say to most people it hasn't been transmitted by describing the ichthyolaf of the usual of the madagas or explaining what is the concept of versus the concept of masala or the aksam or the the tariff that most people would never they will spend a lifetime never know these things about islam and it doesn't matter because to them those things don't matter it's like it's too dry or it's above the

their understanding and comprehension so yeah i it makes me think these things too that wow like i come to understand the value of that tradition that is passed down we the purpose even if it's not sahih but it's kind of you know it's kind of meaning is right and it's

that it's it's right in its objective so yeah i hope that um helps about the oracle phenomenon i want to share some thoughts on that you see each one of us whether child or adult we have to us an oracle and what i mean by that is there are certain people in our lives and these people may change it's like a placeholder that maybe the person changes depending on what stage we are in our lives

that when this person says something we listen to it so it may be a child in school and it's a particular friend or it's some particular friends that those three people or that group or this one person or as an or as a teenager maybe it's this person because they're just so cool or they're like this or it may be a co-worker or it may be a person you they it may be somebody that you watch online or maybe somebody you know in real life or it may that person holds they are in the

placeholder of an oracle for us not that we think they are superhuman but whenever they say we accept it and we all have these oracles you know we all have this like we are in our lives you you if you look at your own life you will be much more critical towards certain people saying something then you would to some you know if that person said it i'd be like okay i'll think about you know if that person said you know blue doesn't really suit you it doesn't really go well on you i might actually think about it

and think well oh okay whereas if these people said ah shut up or if some person said well you know actually you don't know this thing actually makes sense it's not actually as bad as we think if that person said it i would give it some consideration but if these people said it i couldn't care less that person isn't is in the placeholder of an oracle they for us so and this is very clear like with children it's very clear so it's what um vegotsky would speak about in his theories of learning which are pitched against piaget's theories of learning

vygotsky would call the the zpd zone of proximal difference that children learn from their peers because you see the peers were are more of an oracle to them than their parents even others maybe not when they're absolute infants but as soon as i would say even in primary school late primary school the children are more likely to start believing or accepting or conforming to something if their friends say it and do it rather than their appearance because that zpd the zone of proximal difference makes them more of an oracle in this

oracle phenomenon so what i would say is that imran said if a hot girl guy says it it gets more awful consideration sure i mean that's sure but that's slightly different to what i'm saying what i'm saying is that there is a person in all of our lives maybe i don't know do some people have none that would be a shame if they have no one but usually there is a person in our social network who we consider that that when they say something we listen to it a lot more

attentively like we actually give weight to what the opinions as opposed to other people's opinions maybe we do it subconsciously because we feel maybe we we gravitate towards that person maybe because we feel the for whatever reason it may be that we are um attracted it may be that you know what i mean you're saying about attraction but it doesn't have to be really about attraction it doesn't have to it could just be that they are but it could be okay fine maybe you're attracted to that person that's why but in that case that would be very momentary because the moment the attraction

flutters it will kind of wave along with it but yeah so but it could be sure i accept that whoever our oracle what i would say is find an oracle so they may be on islamic stuff they may be on certain things a certain person when they say it we're more likely to listen and it may not be the same for the other person you may listen you know you as in your friend sorry they may listen to this person i don't know why you listen to that guy that is a waste of time but for you it works

so if you find an oracle and sees it if you can to help you be a better you so with the islamic stuff definitely as well like i would say that i i see in in in uh dr miswahisab that kind of a rock iraq raccula phenomenon for me that i see that where when i listen to him it it hits me like i find myself very responsive i've tried other people

it doesn't work so it's interesting it's it's like a dynamic that takes place and we're not quite sure why it's that dynamic i'm sure maybe this there's certain elements i feel that it could be the sound of a person's voice it could be the eloquence it could be the um how they speak it could be maybe it taps into the subconscious maybe there's a voice in the subconscious that it resonates with from the past that is unknown to you now maybe it but also the sincerity hits you you know when a person is sincere passionate that hates you as well

but that i want to share that on so if you if you come across someone and it could be in your day-to-day life or online that makes you want to be a better person then optimize capitalize on that cool right let's um we've got a discussion on uh what's this is oracle hiring people i don't know what that means um

[Laughter] allah bless you all allahu akbar what can we say yeah somebody said sam hurry sun haris is um sam harris is is is an incredible genius incredible honestly um he he really is he gives a a good run for the money you know what i'm saying you have to

i remember watching the the follow-up podcast between him and jordan peterson i mean he was just wow honestly i he is an amazing just an amazing individual with his intelligence it just goes to show human intelligence he he can't be underestimated you know people so it's somebody

he really i think i think it would be daunting to to go up against him in a discussion incredibly daunting that's how much of just wow like he really you know his his intelligence just parks a punch like heavy heavyweight stuff it's incredible wow you know there's there's a discussion where an interview with jordan peterson i do feel that you know i'm so grateful for to jordan peterson i'm grateful to you know to god for

jordan peterson honestly because i feel and i guess people won't all appreciate this maybe for other reasons maybe for political reasons you know maybe they disagree with jp john peterson and that's fine i mean you don't have to agree with him but from the phenomenon of faith i don't think people truly realize what he did and for people of faith i don't i don't think i think it missed people or maybe i'm i don't know but the way i see it

is he truly you know single-handedly i've i feel that fire blazed and you know just i mean he brought down or not entirely but brought under control the wildfire of new militant atheism

in to me he truly did i i can't see any single person that has done what he did because he did and you know i thought about it long and hard and i thought in a way it was obvious that if anybody was to fight science let's say arguably well i'm using science because sam harris and these people are bringing science and i love science but if anybody was to fight science it was to be done via psychology and that too

the kind of one may say the softer sciences of psychology like psychoanalysis or junior psychology but that field of psychology which is to some as soft science but they are scientists nonetheless and and obviously you could couple that with things like physics and stuff like that but i feel on the you know the argument side it it really just had to be somebody so powerful and have such because how do you how do you match that they were just too strong they were just

too ruthless i mean look deepak chopra i mean he you know speaks a lot of the mystical stuff and he tries to bring in sometimes physics and and he has a following unquestionably but he couldn't do it could he against sam harris it really took jordan peterson to arrive on the scene and then the new age atheism just it didn't disappear but it was tamed [Laughter]

yeah it's it's i think in time to come in hundreds of years if if humanity still exists they will probably notice that very clearly in hindsight they will say look it's very clear at this point this happened i remember years ago having discussions with certain maulanas and hola ma saying that who is there that could answer the likes of these people like sam harris and um you know who kitchens and who can answer them this group they were saying uh well uh and they were listing like local ulama

here [Laughter] you know sometimes it's the naivety that it brings you a brief interruption of joyous laughter [Laughter] you think these local they wouldn't even understand the questions that those people present i mean that that's how the level that they're coming at but yeah so but i feel now it has

definitely now we all can kind of drink from that well and lean in on that expertise and and now it becomes part of the common discourse these questions on consciousness these questions on the psychosocial myths these questions on the sacred the holy these questions and it's not to say that look sometimes it's not that these people invented i guess no argument is is mostly invented it's already there but it's it takes the genius of certain people to bring them to the forefront

now um saying you see only if you meant to do mental gymnastics and you reconcile faith with rationality and reason i disagree i don't feel um i i just i disagree that i feel that reason doesn't clash at all with [Music] with faith i don't feel it clashes at all that's that's my my understanding of faith

uh some people saying they don't really like jordan peter yeah i i feel that yeah i think um some people um maybe it's the the youngsters don't really like him as much but yeah maybe that's because of yeah maybe because they're kind of still very young and um and and i guess you know young a lot of energy you know it's it's different when you're young so

all right oh speaking about um even a bunch discussion with peterson was this um jonathan paige used the most interesting christian speakers discussion with peterson was amazing okay i'll check that out um okay cool let's see right let's move on people um

it's less this this is an interesting question look at this believe the more religious i become i feel the anger of my non-muslim friends they don't know the truth i feel the anger of my non-muslim friends as in you mean you getting angry at them or them getting angry at you if you're getting angry at them that should not happen you know if you found god and god has made you a more angry person

[Laughter] you know it's like i've found and i've become a tyrant [Laughter] that's definitely not a rahman raheem that you found so i um i don't know what that would i don't know you know some people they find god and they become so hateful they start becoming so judgmental they start judging people you don't do

this they go through this kind of god's favored child complex or syndrome they feel that i am god's favor i pray my salah people who don't even prayer despicables come of the earth and people who don't it's like [Laughter] it's like you need to calm down calm down breathe exhale along

see a lot your worship means nothing to allah means nothing nothing it doesn't benefit god not even an atom's weight means nothing zero zilch sephora it is if anything it's meant to benefit you by building your bond with god so don't hold people in contempt ever don't ever think

oh i'm better than this person i'm you know with that let's go to um i want to introduce a personality a legend of islam and that is okay now abdullah

but he's from that era with the turban he is born in 118 hijri and he passes away in 181 just two years after imam malik he's very junior to imam malik he's he's born in um he's born in marwah i believe which is in the nishapur modern day kind of iran region but he goes on to becoming one of the greatest scholars of islam absolutely phenomenal

and he is leading in all fields he's he's absolutely killing it he's amazing in hadith he's considered amir menina hadith he is has his own madhhab arguably although it doesn't really expand much um i know the hanafi is trying to sometimes put him as a hannibal

they try the occasional snatching kidnapping it's like these scholars wake up they're like where are we you're in the hanapi mother so uh and he he really brings so much so much to the to the discourse of islam he's known for his teaching of quran his teaching of his teaching of hadith and he really not only invests his own life but was somebody that spent as well as his time

so much wealth in serving islam right up until his final moment so going to his beginning where does this light emerge from allah now he is he's his origin is of turkic kind of roots his father was a slave see this is another thing you know many of the great scholars of islam in early islam came our very lowly kind of humble origin social structures they were from the mawali

okay which is plural for molar which were who were freed slaves so this i mean molar can mean it's one of those words that can also mean protector as well it's one of those that where you can use it as a foreign but but it can also be used as we are his molar in the sense that we are his under his protection like a servant to god so it has a double kind of uh meaning to it the the word so

his father was a uh a slave who was owned by this wealthy um very wealthy um individual this merchant and he has all these he's from huarism that region up there by that kind of iranian going further into kind of western uh sorry eastern yeah sorry western asia central asia that kind of region the so this person has you know he's very wealthy he's got businesses he sets up all these these um he has fields and he he produces all

this produce of fruit and so on and sells it and very wealthy and he there's actually an interesting story that he once asks um mubarak who's the the father to be of abdullah number to go get him a fruit from his field and some says a pomegranate or whatever the fruit was and when he tastes it it's it's um it's sour so he says ah oh it was another fruit and and he throws he says no go go get me a sweet one and and he brings him another one and it's sour again and and he does this on a couple of occasions and and he says to him look what's wrong with you i'm telling you like surely you

must taste my fruits like you know you must surely you know what they look like you know when you're working on my fields you must eat so you must have a good idea which fruit is good and which fruit isn't so he he says that i don't he says he says what do you mean he says i i genuinely says i've never eaten a single fruit from your field so the person says why not and he says because it's not right he says i'm working

for what i work you pay me you know like i get a certain allowance for me to take a fruit would be theft like why would i do that this brutal honesty he kind of shocks this owner and he and he starts to kind of to keep a an eye out on him and see how integral is this slave or servant of his and he finds it's a you know another interesting thing he finds that this guy often would just fast during the day now check that you know on the side note check this out

he has a belief system because this person mubarak he was a muslim he he was of the turkin origin he'd become a slave he'd embraced islam as many people had in that era it was the early expansion era of islam he would fast now fasting obviously is for people fast for allah but look at one way of looking at it is there is a you know like a richness out of heart because i know i'm fasting

so i'm not going to eat and if i'm not going to eat i'm not going to ask somebody for their food i'm not going to steal somebody's food i'm not going to be have to be dependent or grateful later on you know oh this person gave me food i'm kind of indebted to this person you know in urdu there's this term hoddari it's kind of self-reliance like i don't have to rely on anyone and like i work i craft i do my craft

and i fast you know when comes towards the end of the day works over i open my fast i go you know there's a like a mentality to it one may say what you see when you look at it from a different perspective it's so phenomenally powerful as a belief system

that it it's a very it's so dignifying in self-respect now this slave i mean this this businessman becomes very enchanted by him in the coming months and you know time to come that he has a daughter himself that's he just has a a daughter nor the child and as he is getting older he says to this person that look i've free you from our contract whatever you're you know you free your molar you're free i pay you this much and he says to him look i tell you what i would like you

to i would like you to marry my daughter so he does and because he says i've not seen someone you know i travel the world i do business i but i've not seen someone with such an upstanding character that who better than that for my daughter so he marries him to his daughter and they they have a great life and as he dies that's that son-in-law this mubarak inherits all this wealth him and his wife mubarak go on to have a

child who is abdullahi mubarak right so and he's born in one eight hitchery now he's born into great wealth because his father inherits all this opulence all these you know so much money they making ridiculous money right all the harvests all the trades and they've got people working for them remember so he makes so much money now abdullah mubarak grows up in just sheer opulence he's so rich

and he chilled and he wasn't actually interested i say interested he wasn't really uh that interested in the islamic stuff i mean he was a muslim obviously grew up like everybody back then you learned how to read you studied all children would have read the quran he would have understood the quran because he speaks arabic and you know you would learn a very small amount and that's it but he's got money he would just chill up until into his early twenties he was just a chiller a dossa you know somebody had living the lifestyle

he was a great poet they say he was very eloquent and he was very charm charm and and he had a hangout spot he would chill out hang out the with his uh with his with his mates they would spend the whole night they would drink they would uh play the flute uh he would sing his poetry sometimes he'd kind of chant his poetry they'd spend the night chilling mojo musty has to be done [Laughter]

and yeah and he had this poem you know he uh had this i had this poem that um [Music] that he would say what are they so that's like one bait one couplet of it

and it went on and um [Music] yeah and it goes on and so on and it goes on and on he had this poem and he would sing it and he was a poet himself he would write poetry and he was very impressive so this one time he was there and and he's kind he's he's he's he's drunk you know he's he's drunk and um and he's chilling in the late night and you know it's going right through the night and he's

trying to sing this chant this poetry but he's getting stuck on the words so he's saying what's next and he can't and it's like it's on the tip of my tongue it's on the tip of my tongue and and he's like kind of drifting off and he's coming back and he's trying it again and he's you know he's like he's like i've got it i've got it's on the tip of my tongue it's on the table it says

and then he reads and he says and the verse of the quran allah that is it not time yet because the poem that he would read

that is it not time for me from you that you shall mercy this was his poem but as he was kind of stuck and he was in this out of its state he reads this that is it not time for those who have faith that their hearts finally tremble or crumble

in the remembrance of god woman and what has come to them from truth this verse hit him so powerfully that he just fell he was he was in this you know he was in the night out in this spot where he would normally chill he fell into saju and it says though these verses were being revealed it's as though this is

the first time he's hearing so powerful it's not a quantitative experience it's not that he didn't know this verse before but it's a qualitative experience he has a mystical encounter he is so struck by this they say that he just remains in that spot on the floor just like just thinking and if this is known as you know i mentioned

previously the the mystical experience and and peop and how william james had quantified certain qualities and he's the father of modern psychology and it the the kind of acronym for them is pint that passivity is the first one passivity is where you are overcome by something because of it you know mysterium tremendous because of its terrifying glory this passivity in arabic we can call hoshua

that is a i feel it captures the meaning of joshua that your hearts are overcome they in that sense tremble in in the presence of the glory that they are overcome this experience mystical encounter that abdullah mubarak has changes the course of history both for him and us because it it really goes on to add to the legacy of islam he is already in his early twenties he starts to learn about islam he goes to

teachers he starts to study hadith he starts to um he does he starts to learn he he spends years first learning and then eventually he has his own analytic um interpretative skills where he comes up with rulings he arguably has his own method although it doesn't go on so much he also participates in a lot of uh the what they had a lot of jihad in that day and age so this is another thing that in fact is a very famous story

and it's it's interesting because you see another incredibly popular quality of abdullah mubarak because he comes to islam he has so much wealth and he brings that angle to serve islam so one in his general charitable sense because he is reminded how important it is to help people and then in other so the humanitarian side and then in the in the faith arena so for example he would help so many people do hajj we spoke of hajj earlier on if he found out that they

were financially unable to go he would cover their costs he would if he found people were studying or scholars he used to in fact sophiana thori he used to give him an annual stipend an annual kind of salary just as a just as a patronage for him even though he disagreed with sofiana though sofiana thought he's his um i mean obviously has his own school of law but he that's how he would honor him

so if you aren't even appraises him to that extent he's from mecca he says that i feel that he had so many virtues of islam that i mean this is an exaggeration of course he says that if it wasn't for the sabbath that the companions somehow he said he or he would have in the in terms of virtues being placed amongst the companions of the prophet except he didn't see the prophet i mean that's an exaggeration but you can see how much people loved him and they loved him really because it's not just his ill

it's that his heart was in it you know there's an and this is to show you an example they say that there was a um this is how much how much he would give because giving you know in giving you receive he they they say you every alternating year he would go on hajj and he had this personal thing where he would go one year he would go on a military expedition he would go on a jihad and then on one the following year would go on hajj and then he would alternate these years and he was also an incredible

incredible you know that background he came from because he was so wealthy and he grew up he he had it part of his upbringing he had trained well you see in that day and age things like swordsmanship martial arts of that day and age fighting skills spear you know how to handle these things because he had luxury he had the money so he had trained really well in this stuff he was like an excellent swordsman he was an excellent fighter of like the the the most elite uh league you can imagine now he would take every alternating year

and the the fighting to give you an example they there was there was an expedition that he was on where you know the old arab systems of of battle they had this system which was called mubarak a dualist mechanism so before a battle would begin a if a kind of like a fighter would a warrior would kind of put he would progress come forward and from the other side one would come forward and they'd have a jewel and they'd kind of so this was called mubaraza so they almost always did that the arabs did

and then if you want if one last another could come forward and they could keep going until the duel ends whatever and then they would kind of have charge in so there was a mubarak taking place where they say that um the muslim uh soldier had kind of gone forward and you had the i i can't remember i think it may have been roman um soldier from the other side and they say that uh the muslim soldier of lost very easily so another one comes forward and he loses now what this would do is it would really dampen the morale and a

third comes forward and he loses and now you can imagine people are like what the hell so there's this known warrior amongst the muslim ranks and he comes forward steps forward and says i will deal with him and he goes forward and he's going you know toe to toe with this soldier and it's very close but he's he falls to the ground and is defeated and this almost almost puts out the light of hope in the muslim ranks

and they say that at that stage a horseman comes forward with you know molest them face covered and he goes forward and he and he steps forward for the mumbarza and the person says okay and they and he defeats that roman soldier and when he does a few only a handful of them that were watching spectators rush forward you're not meant to really do that in the mubarak but they say maybe five or seven rush forward and this covered swordsman takes them all on defeats them and then comes back and just disappears in the

ranks and they're all trying to figure out who it is and this one person says i i followed him and i i thought who the hell was that and i go right to and he goes into his his his tent and he removes his thing it was abdullah mubarak i mean he was known in his day and age for just to give you an idea but we're speaking of the hajj he was on his way to hajj and he passes through sham and there was a certain area that had been hit by a pandemic um several months before and people in that

in that region were starving and he walks part this not walks past he goes past and he sees this woman uh ravaging through through the litter through rubbish and and she's she finds some carcass of some small kind of dead animal and she's taking and he sees this from a distance and and he goes up to her he's on his horse he goes up to her and he asked her what are you doing and she says like wow wow i'm just getting somebody says what are you going to do with it

and she says i'm going to eat it he is so hit by this that yes all of his hajj money he gives it to her and he says it and like he he gives it to her and he turns back and goes back he says you know hajj another time allah you see this is why people loved him he he was so you see it's really it's because that's what it's about humanity it's not about

it's it's you see the other things everybody admires but this makes that difference they say that he on this occasion haruna rasheed had come to raqqa in sham and when he'd come in people obviously you know they they go running oh like they you know you get like crowds and crowds of people and just coincidentally that day abdullah mubarak was passing through he he too was coming to for something else he had arrived in raqqa for something else when people found out the crowds ran they went off

they're like absolutely no robotics you know because they knew he always gave he gave like with such an open heart he would just give and not even look back he'd give whatever he had such an open heart and people who have a heart like that allah gives them from his unlimited resources this is a and he's he goes on to spend his years as a one of the greatest scholars of islam they say you know by his uh his deathbed they're at his deathbed because he's cons by the way he's

considered amiru menina filhadi this is how high he is in hadith and they say at his deathbed people ask him that who will they be for hadith after you you know why they're asking this because there was an incident in um i think with haruna rasheed that they catch a particular person

who he'd been up to been up to all kinds of stuff so they catch him and they about to persecute him and he says that he says so what you guys think you're so good he says you know i've already fabricated 3 thousand hadith and put them into circulation [Laughter] you know what a thing to get to get people back huh he says he says so what you know i've already fabricated 3 000 a hadith and put them into circulation

[Laughter] that's a bit like uh you know there's this story where of this imam story from pakistan what i heard that this they call this imam to do imama they said that you know what can you lead and we'll pay you such you know x amount of money at the end so he says okay then cool so so when it comes to the end they say to him that

you know that money and the guy says enough to lead the salah you know i just i just lied i just wanted you to leave the salaf i just lied and then he says huh he goes

[Laughter] he says well i'll have you know that there were some days that i led the salah without wudu what are you going to do about that i don't care about it this is so this guy had said look i fabricated three thousand hadith put them into circulation what you gonna do about it and they say that uh what

they say what um the caliph had asked abdullah ibn mubarak to as a project to go out and seek like to research the because hadith was his forte and find and they say he found this is what they say 3 000 um fabricated narrations in circulation and highlighted them this is why he was so such a like a dawn of this field so on his deathbed they ask him that they say

who is there for because remember he passes away 181 179 imam malik has passed away see the great legends have all passed away so they say who is the to serve this knowledge after you and he says

legends will be born for it legends allah see all in good time that allah has a divine algorithm i play it's amazing you know this and speaking of dreams we spoke earlier they say that somebody saw imam shafi'ai in a dream after his death imam shafi's junior to um abdullah normal baruch and passes away a few decades after him he passed away in

two or four hitches so they say that they saw imam shepherd and they asked him you know what what came of you in the afterlife and he says you know alhamdulillah you know it's amazing in a state of bliss and they ask him in the dream that what what about abdullah ibn mubarak he says

he's in the divine presence of god allah as in he's way ahead of us but he was such a legend of islam yeah i'll tell you an incident we'll wrap up this he had a great you know the thing about him is and you find this with a lot of the tabain they had a great sense of humor you find that as time moves forward the scholars start to diminish their humor and they start to become more kind of very serious all the time but in the salaf era the turban are especially have a great sense of

humor you find people like shabby and all these people abdullah mubarak and all these imam abu hanifa and all these guys have a great sense of humor they're always like tongue-in-cheek saying stuff and they're being like proper but they'll they'll do they'll say things and maybe not everybody will get it but some people might get the joke so yeah um so there's an incident where he you see because he studied with imam of hanifa loads and he did take from him although he traveled and had his own views he didn't

restrict himself to imam abu hanifa's teaching but there's an incident um much later he comes back because he travels a lot you see he's very wealthy he goes around travels around and he comes back to kufa on this particular incident and he's praying he meets imam abu hanif and he's praying next to imam abu hanifah so both of them are praying and so they're praying their salah and everything and so when they finish imam hanifa is has like a smirk [Laughter] so abdullah mubarak looks at him

and he says like mabe she says what's up he says what's up with you like he asked him what's up with you and imam khalifa says to him that he says he says are you trying to fly away are you trying to flap so you can like are you trying to fly away like meaning is that like your wings you're trying to fly so

so some people burst out laughing and then he obviously replies like he says well you know he says you know he says if the first one doesn't help me take off then i'm sure the others are fine as well but this was their kind of banter they would they didn't really you know they didn't take these things to heart unlike unfortunately people afterwards who missed the spirit that these people had but they were great [Music] you know legends really so

i hope that's of some inspiration and but you know one of the major things you can learn from that if i could say two lessons that really anchor this great personality one is his his living example of giving he had this heart that really just it just shone you know there was just light that he would give wherever he could and the other was understanding

that all in good time he was somebody well into it like he had reached his twenties he was not somebody who was interested in islam or that kind of legacy he was a poet he was you know living a luxurious kind of lifestyle enjoying chilling but it wasn't by preaching it wasn't by somebody telling him you need to pray you need to do this alcohol is haram it was a realization this noetic quality this it's not a

it's not information it's an understanding so no new information was added to him it was a realization and that happens in its own time and allah gives to whom he wills i hope that's been of some help so shukran for that um let me take a look at some of your questions i'm going to share the link as well

i'll get the invite what have we got here we've got wow we've got a bunch of comments i remember that story

right let's share the link all right you know when this thing of all in good time it's a reminder for everything you know that that we don't know how life is unfolding and there are struggles and there are difficulties or there are challenges or there are hurdles or sometimes we're praying and it's just a reminder that all in good time

just to breathe remember that there was a time where you prayed you wished so hard to be in the position that you are right now [Laughter] it was wasn't there so although now we may undervalue devalue it but there was a time so yeah

so allah has a divine algorithm at play let me grab my headphones and put these on let me just one second hmm

oh why is this wait there nope is it not connecting uh all right let me let me try to disconnect

let me try to disconnect this okay disconnect that see if that helps i've got another one lying around another device disconnect switch all of these off let's see if it connects now okay let me just bring this over here right is

there another one can i okay i tell you what let me remove this device add it again save them right just one second people

okay there you go connecting done okay hopefully that's all done now let me just go into settings check that um audio mic okay yep that's working cool all right let's go we've got who have we got we've got some ah right some guests we've got muhammad

joining us from remind us again from india oh yes of course remember i do absolutely absolutely i'm good what's going on what's how are things it's been very cold here you know it's been freaking cold cold yes i feel like it's england it's raining all day wow it's isn't it oh yes of course it might be the is it the kind of monsoon thing that yeah yeah exactly um

it's all right here to be honest this is you know we're in july so it's it's good it's good i i don't actually like it when it's too hot um not that it gets too hot here it's only a few days in the year but i just like it when it's nice it's bright there's a nice wind you know that kind of and it's it's like the alhamdulillah be praised what's going on in india what are some thoughts on your preoccupying your precious mind actually i want to ask you a question can we have expectations from our siblings after a certain age like you

know two siblings you know they grow together and one sibling becomes big another just end up poor so it's not the response responsibility responsibility sibling to look after his poor sibling and his kids right okay good question so you see so there is a right so there is an obligated duty let's say from islam and then there's a kind of moral duty that we have which is not

obligated in the sense it's not structured as in we're not told so there's certain things we are told let's say as as rules almost where they they lay down for us like you should respect let's say show respect or be respectful to your parents um you know you should have compassion towards youngsters and respect elders and you should take care of your parents financially if they need help now your siblings are they're just running concurrently to you they are independent they do their own thing you know you grow up you do your

thing let's say they do their thing now if they happen to be struggling financially so you in islam from one perspective you are an adult you are an individual you know you are told to you are responsible for your household little bait you know for uh in arabic so you are you know so you're going to take care of your wife you're going to take care of your children take care of whoever lives under that roof so you are not

from this perspective um you are not made responsible to watch over what your siblings are doing because if they're adults i mean they're adults obviously or your parents watch over them or they're grown adults so from that perspective one would say look islam has not said to me i am mandated to do this however you see

there is a hadith now i know this hadith has a um in fact before we even come to the hadith the verse of the quran the people who in the wealth is a known haqq this hak is a contingency hank it's not you know imam shah to be in his mafikat he speaks of things that are mandatory like there's mandates which he says he says certain things are uh okay

so you have so for example you have a requisite uh mandate you have something that you have to do and you have certain things which are circums circums you know based on the circumstances they're circumstantial they are not generally they're contingent so you don't normally need to be sending money to your let's say your friends or your siblings or your neighbor or something but if something befell them and they are in crisis then this hack kind of it appears

that you have this right an obligation as a moral obligation to stand in like maybe you can only help a small amount then a small amount maybe you can help more some more maybe you see it's it's tata but not to be like you know in the good samaritan story that a person is the the priest is walking past because he's got to go to his sermon and not help the person that's even towards a stranger you have hakum see allah begins

you know what do you think about those who are related to you so i would say there definitely is a circ a contingent obligation a mandate that appears the moment they become in need and if you have then of course definitely do give if you have and you can obviously sometimes people don't have um but if you have obviously there is a i understand as well sometimes there is people who draw balance they don't want people to just you know kind of like become a

a leech on them in the sense that they just always just drain them for these things people don't like that either and that's understandable i get that but similarly if you know someone and you know they're going through a tough time maybe without their asking even you know don't wait for them to ask just do if you can if you think yeah this is you know nothing for me i'll just sort this out for them this is where you know you do and from the unseen so much risk comes to you this is synchronicity it's not cause and effect but it kind of synchronizes

in that way but yeah that's um that's what i don't say what if they have a bad blood will put with them i mean some siblings they don't talk oh they have bad blood between them yeah that's that's [Laughter] it's so strange because you know when you think about it you're actually brothers and sisters you know it's you know from one perspective it's like you were kids together you know like you i find it i mean i can understand

like from a rational perspective how this is like i can understand the happenings but there's a side of me that always thinks like wow okay um why are you not doing something to quash that to to remove that why not like just try like try to i get it sometimes the other person uh uh the other you know the other person may keep stepping away they you know they may not allow it but you should still to some extent try

um you know a little thing if you can gifts work wonders but even just being in person you know a hug uh just a high just being yeah i i i do find it um i mean i understand it because like you said it's common um alhamdulillah in that sense you know i'm grateful to allah we our siblings we've never really ever had anything like that negative and we've always been reasonably um reasonable reasonably close and and i feel that i don't know maybe

because when we were young we had like incredibly tough times and it drew us all together because we had to kind of stick together to just to kind of get through them but but i see because i see this so often people with the siblings they have there'll be some siblings they just hate each other like proper hatred it's like a sheer like oh pure hatred and you think yeah but it's it's your own brother and your own sister and your own you know but it's and it can get evil and people do some evil stuff and you know what's interesting is um

this is what uh freud i believe referred to as uh um narcissism of proximal differences i believe uh where he's he's highlighting and and you know there's the great maliki legend from muslim spain the great islamic scholar he writes about this in his commentary on termite as well that he says that the love we have for other people the energy we have if you like because it can be love or hate because i feel sometimes they're just two sides of of the same coin but they it's like the

energy coming out in a different way that he said that you find hate you're speaking about hatred he said the closer a person is the stronger and more intense the hatred will be can be sorry so he said for example the hatred you can find within siblings or within one kabila clan will be much more intense than the hatred people have for someone from another entirely separate race like he said let's say you had hatred with someone he said that the closer you get

the the energy is almost that much more intense so he explains this in his commentary so we can get the same example you know his father and his salah yeah they loved each other but they had an enormous hate his father uh i think his father was kind of obviously upset with him and uh because he continues to seek make dua for his father you know it's a fascinating point you remind us of that many people miss this i don't know why but um or it just

baffles them is people mention the verse that allah is saying to ibrahim alaihi that that don't seek forgiveness for your father you know that there is basically a barrier between you and those who have chosen kufar and you know don't make dua for him that people often use this to say well you shouldn't make dua for your relatives who are not muslim but they maybe don't focus on when ibrahim's mission has come to an end at later life and he's made he's a very old man and he's made the kaaba and he makes calls people for the hajj and then he makes it

he says that make me somebody establish and then he says forgive me and my parents and he's an old man and his father has long died you see but a lot of people for some reason they don't make the connect here they don't realize that he did make dua for his dad who did die as a non-muslim in his old age and his his father had been long dead so it's it's a fascinating point you just reminded me i thought i'd say it so okay but

muhammad so as always yeah there's a lot going on in india by the way but yeah yes a lot a lot why do you struggle in salah after satanish you know you know when i was in my eleventh i used to play five times today but you know now i even tried to get up for further i just switch up the alarm and just go to sleep again why do we struggle as we go older no it's look these things are natural i will just say what's said in the hadith and i understand people may have

different ways of doing it and you know may allah bless their ways i would say in the hadith when the person said that the prophet said look when you wake up right you know it's but still you know there's always a guilt inside you it's like i used to pray a guilt they should be you see islam isn't really about guilt sure i understand that a person you may maybe you're you're not meeting your expectations so you know maybe you're feeling i can do better and that's sure that's you know that's wonderful but it's it's not to me

i would say look guilt carrying guilt around is more allahu alam but it appears to be more a christian kind of way of looking at things islam you see if you're asleep you're asleep there is a debate between scholars that so you take something like um an alarm clock now now obviously in the profits time they didn't have alarm clocks so is it necessary to place an alarm to wake up so this is a question

so you will find you know the and people will disagree and you'll find the great you know like the great maliki legend student of ibn are sure you know muhammad allah was very grateful for scholar from you know zaytuna and tunis and in his so if you read malik in that habib who's his student writes it that uh oh i went i believe he writes it in there but it's from muhammad i think maybe muhammad recites it in little as well but the ruling is he they say no there's no obligation in islam to have an alarm

clock sure it may be a good thing it may be planning but there's no obligation so islam did not say set yourself a reminder so you may say well if i don't have a reminder then i won't wake up sure and that's a this you know that's a point you won't wake up but does that how does that mean setting so you could say well that means i'll miss my prayer and so i must set and remind now you see setting a reminder is fine nobody's disagreeing but does allah say you must have a

reminder to wake up so this here sure some people may say okay you need to because otherwise you can't and other people will say well how did people in the past wake up why did in fact they would argue that you see when you know something there's something called tethui when you go to remind someone to pray which many people consider the bidder like imam malik condemned that kind of practice although i'm not saying it's it has to be condemned but you know where you go and you tell somebody again after the other let's go pray that's actually not something the

prophet taught in islam prophet never called anybody to pray after the other it was just the adhan is then we don't call anyone and the athan wasn't done on speakers by the way so there's no tathweep we don't go around reminding people but sure if a person wants to and they have an understanding that's the way imam it wasn't imam malik's way it was in the way of medina in the city of the prophet that it wasn't the tradition it was called abidahar to do something imam malik was obviously very strict but but i get that i'm not i understand other people have said look okay it's not from the prophet but it's a nice thing and we want to do it and there's

room for it i'm not kind of saying those people can't do it they can do it sure but the point is that this discussion how did those people wake up now they woke up because it was their way of life to wake up at that time you understand so this now becomes a debate because in that day and age it was the way of life regardless of islam it was the way of life to wake up at dawn because everybody woke up at dawn muslim non-muslim pagan believer everybody woke up at dawn

for a muslim to wake up before and on is so the question is now it becomes so this is where the discourse then becomes a discussion that okay so what happens when the day and age has changed in certain parts of the world in some parts of the world that is still the way so when i visited when i lived uh sometime in the village in pakistan when i used to do my heath i would go to the village people woke up at dawn even those who didn't pray woke up at dawn they woke up because everybody woke up when he got when there

was some light some light everybody woke up and they started going to see their animals and see the crops and everybody got up not everybody prayed but everybody got up so it was it was still a way of life today in some parts of the world but in in developed countries and in certain in cities it's less so a way of life the urbanized world doesn't really wake up with dawn um they wake up so now it's a discussion well okay do people sh okay should we set an alarm sure set an alarm must

we set an alarm becomes another question so it becomes a debate that and i think i think it's not so i i would feel it's not that obvious that allah mandates a an alarm clock i think it's a bit of i think it's a bit of a jump some people may feel it's not a jump they may feel it's fine you know it's a very clear corollary of that logic and fine you know the more power to them but other ulama would feel that no you know you can't make something an obligation unless allah has made it an obligation in islam and allah has not said in fact tathweeb was

discouraged in the prophet's time you weren't really allowed to go to remind people about prayer in the prophet's time afterwards sure people did it but so you know to some people this is not a natural corollary it doesn't follow to others maybe it does you know it's a pick of the the thing whatever you feel i would say look a person tries and it's your devotion and it's your near that matters set the alarm alhamdulillah that's great do it you know it's wonderful if you miss it as the hadith says when you wake up then pray and the deen you know it has that and sure you know i'm not

i respect those people who say you must set an alarm and you must make sure make sure you get up and you must and if you miss it everybody agrees if you miss it make up for it but i also respect those who say sure it's good to set an alarm you know it's it's it's there is a diversity we have to understand that in islam there is a you know there is a a like a a glory a majesty to this to the kind of understandings the cogs of what the deen says to us and we shouldn't react if we hear

something that disagrees with us we should kind of understand that okay sure that's how some people understood it i disagree with it that's fine i go with this sure or i disagree with that i go with that the main thing is you're not none of us are here to impose on anybody else it is our own journey of islam and all in good time i'll wrap up oh with that you know some very final words because it's very important the whole india scenario ah you know may allah make things easy i mean it's just so much i've been seeing some of these news so much is going on um yeah this this whole

thing for people who don't know there's been um this whole incident i mean there's been quite a few incidents really it's been a buildup of a series of events and with this uh udaipur um incident of there was a beheading of a a tailor and two muslims took responsibility and they said they did it in the name of islam and this has just caused mayhem and you know yes you know people really need to this is this is why it's so important that the message of islam being a

message of mercy penetrates the hearts of everyone you know it is not islam is not a uh you know it is not a message of mercenaries you know killing someone even if they insult the prophet killing someone is wrong you know this is you see in the lifetime of the prophet many people insulted the prophet

sallallahu alaihi they would harm him they would insult him they and the prophet you know would still make dua for them you know make dua for them look how hard that is you know somebody insults you and you you say you know what yeah give this person more you know wellness and goodness in their life i'll be honest with you i a human i would struggle to do that you know that's my ego i i would i need to develop on that journey because and this is how the prophet the prophet would never

have said execute someone because they insulted him never that's not from the um the message of islam and this really needs to be and then look in such precarious times in india where you know people there's already this anti-muslim sentiment so much to to do this is to set a flame you know a wild fire that will become uncontrollable it's yes my heart goes i it really saddens me i see these things and i think

you know may allah make just have mercy make things easy for these people make may allah put love and compassion in the hearts of these people because you know india because before really if you look for hundreds and hundreds of years muslims hindus have coexisted for so long you know sure occasionally there may have been some little skirmish here in the but islam was hardly ever the factor you know maybe as a one-off something happened people lived with each other you know they hindus went and continued to go to

muslim shrines they continued to go to you know the part of the they incorporated even certain muslim saints khabib and all these people into their practices you know these are what i'm trying to show is how they just co-evolved they didn't have this kind of understand very this is very recent in you know we're seeing this kind of militant and these reactions and then obviously you're having fascism on both sides of the spectrum you know you're getting both ends kind of going towards further you know polarized and

but may allah make it easy man i'm i you know make dua for everyone struggling there i mean i mean shukran from india of right i'll share the link out again um [Music]

right what's going on if more people had guns that stopped the mass shooter [Laughter] what a logic [Laughter] more people had guns they'd stop the shooter that's not that's an american problem i don't think anywhere in the world that happens you know what happens in america is um this whole

what happens in america is this you know what we see this whole mass you know mass shooting school shootings for example the way they happen i think that is a very american phenomenon i and it'd be you know somebody has to get into the mind of what's going on there right let's see we've got um yusuf zaydani i'm just seeing you know there's a bit of a seems to be a bit of a delay i wonder if i if i restart this or just

one second let me see hmm i'm going into a this is a risk let's start let's do it am i back

let's see um go to settings one second hello hello yep testing okay but um has that i take it i'm back okay so i don't know i can still see a tiny bit of a delay but as long as you guys can hear me all fine um somebody said look there is a delay i've noticed as well um well the only because that's got to be

streaming so that i couldn't really i can't think of musty miss my super chat i'm just going to go back check super chats i can't see any super chat here um my internet is saying all in good time [Laughter] a lot i mean you're doing it you're doing it um yep i'm good all right cool birmingham internet yeah that's it let's add we were lester exchange let's add yusuf zaydani to the live

stream yusuf assalamu where are you joining us from uh i'm joining from united states i'm from morocco but i'll live in the united states from the maghrib to the maghrib from the mughal aksar to the uh to the verbum all right so all right talk to us yourself what's up

my question was about like doing islamic studies so i graduated like recently you know from engineering and i would like to like you know uh get more knowledge like islamically okay so i don't know i think uh i was thinking about maybe traveling to madina or maybe egypt i know you're studying in syria right for your islamic studies yeah i i mean i did some of my stuff obviously i studied a long time ago so syria was still um i went in the late 90s to damascus so back then syria was a very peaceful place and i i visited syria on i mean i was there for

a year and something maybe a year and a half the first time but i went again after like so i went to pakistan then i came back to syria for about three months so it must have been in maybe 2001 or 2002 or something and then i went again i think 2004 or something but so that was the last time of 2003 i can't remember but in in those times it was obviously very peaceful there was you know it was still a place where a lot of people were coming to um it was in the days of uh hafiz asset

so obviously it was still very dictatorial but people were very peaceful you know there was very um there was immense stability as far as i'm aware crime was very low um yeah but since you know maybe whenever it was 2010 2011 since the uprising and obviously now i think it'd be i don't think you could go there that wouldn't be

yeah so syria would be out the question yeah um i'm thinking egypt maybe or like a lazar or um medina maybe those won't okay sure madina as in medina university yeah that one yeah i was pretty good i don't know that's why i want to know your advice because i think it's better to go there to study than here in the united states you know for islam yeah yeah you see it's interesting because um how old are you if you don't mind me asking uh i'm 25.

young yeah i was gonna ask you actually if like at this age i can still learn that you know figures there's many things you can learn at 20 25 that's now you surf you do in it so yeah you see they say it's interesting because hmm going abroad you see because you already have a lot of beer so you have arabic i take it now moroccan arabic is a bit different uh but i don't i do i don't understand like foods are pretty good but not to the level of really like studying very well you know okay so because it's okay

more of the respect yes [Music] uh yeah it's very different but you know what's interesting and fascinating about the magariba is many of them seem to understand fosab pretty well yes if you step because i i study in the united states if you study there are then if you go through the school you study in in morocco you study in french and arabic yeah so then you learn fusa and stuff like that yeah yeah mostly but i found like a lot of them they they can understand fossa very well

and many many of them can speak it reasonably well when they're trying to with you and some of them can speak it very well i'm talking about common people that i'm not talking about like or something okay that's been my experience i've found that they can speak it uh many amongst them can speak it either you know they can speak it well or some very well and it's so i don't know whether that's because because i was like having a conversation about this with a good friend of mine mamadou tal i don't know if you know him he's uh he's studying he had been studying in egypt for many years

and he's going to the states now to do his ph.d yeah uh i mean he's not a sheikh but he it studied several years in in egypt in parts of lazar in other private you know other things and we were speaking about this very phenomenon um we were speaking about just the different kind of you know darijat and these uh kind of colloquial arabics and he was saying it's interesting he said the same thing he said that look he he'd visited morocco as well and he said he's lived for years now probably i can't i don't know six years or something in egypt he said that

in egypt in many places they can't understand fossa sometimes and they definitely nobody will speak back to you in vasa and and it's interesting because he said when i compare that with morocco he said i found almost everybody i spoke to understood me and most people spoke back in it and he said maybe that's because the darija is so different from fusa that they do it whereas maybe egyptians are so complacent that they feel that the darija isn't that different so they're not going to even bother trying to speak so maybe that's a reason maybe it's just because

they feel that you know we don't need to speak for whatever but i found even egyptian on youtube will most many of them will not speak fusha um so that's fascinating they're very proud of like whereas i find most moroccan will speak for uh and maybe that's because the dharijay is so different from the kind of standard deviation if you like from from the language but yeah uh coming back to places i was going to say look if you could get your arabic sorted which i think you will be able to do relatively quickly um

because you have a base and you have obviously all the you just have to kind of fix in um yeah and another thing i was going to say i forgot to say was just as a side point maybe children growing up today with all the cartoons in fusa helped them because cartoons are mainly in first hand they um so you know in like morocco and these countries yeah yeah that's that's correct because i remember speaking to certain people uh uh in first hand they were like oh that sounds like it like in the cartoons okay that's that's great

[Laughter] right so uh so yeah so if you get the fusa kind of ironed out quite quickly um then you can i think that's a huge like you've already got a huge portal you've got access to so much maybe even a bit of studies then because you see studying then i think the studying becomes a bit arbitrary because if you like if you know arabic then it's more about okay the environment helps and also the schedule so if you're committed you have a

schedule like if you live in a i suppose living in a mother assad the benefit is you just have to show up then everything's there like i just have to turn up and the scholars are going to keep teaching me like clockwork so it's just being there so it's easy um and and i guess if i'm living with more students i'm talking to them but for most um students well living in an arab country what helps is the arabic initially so getting the arabic but if you can circumv like get that like just as a booster option [Music] then maybe even

short bursts of studies might be able to do the job like maybe like if you for example you started like let's say you had arabic now that's not an issue so now you if you were committed now it comes back to personal commitment if you were committed let's say you started you a person could even online let's say you watch certain videos of certain teachers explaining certain books like let's say you did a fake book a basic text let's say you did an aha book uh you did once you did them let's say you did an uh hadith book let's say you did some tafsir and now you kind of up the the

kind of grade you went to an intermediate level in these books let's say you started now kind of doing your own little research into certain things you did a bit of tough seed you started learning a bit more massage you didn't usual text now maybe you also contact a share who you start studying with a shirt maybe you're doing it via zoom you're doing it via skype you're still in the states maybe you fly out and let's say you flew out but you went for only a few months and in those months you finished these things you were living with students let's say you went for three months for example you went there you're doing

these things you're doing that you kind of you you three months is plenty to to be absorbed into an environment you know if you're not if you're not kind of living a pure tourist epic lifestyle then you can kind of get into it and you can read and learn and then let's say i don't know i'm just giving a suggestion let's say you went back to the states and you you you're doing some work so you carried on some work you generated some cash you this is if if you needed to generate cash and maybe you went three months to a different place now like maybe you went to kahera first and now maybe you went to in tunis somewhere there was a shirt

like you reached out you connected you spent three months there you kind of came back did another three four months of work meanwhile online went back maybe you went to you visited i don't know jordan maybe you know some things you hear of something there and you go there maybe you go somewhere in uh fez you hear of some shuffle you go to fez or now let's say maybe you stay for four months not three months maybe what i'm what i'm suggesting as a suggestion is that there is this isn't very structured in terms of you're not going to get a degree by the end of it because you're kind of just

it's a very scattered learning but the lived experience will be very profound because you will because those let's say four months in one place or three months in one place will seem like yours in a place they won't seem like just because it'll be so new you'll be absorbing everything now when you come out let's say you spend that in a different place you absorb all of that you ask all these questions you by the end of it you are connected to so many different shoes that you'd kind of gone to you shadow

and you know sometimes when you have like let's say now you've because you've learned this so much you've because you're learning because you're passionately actively learning you're inquisitively learning like you're researching you're googling questions what is this what is this always this way now imagine i don't know if money is a problem if it isn't a problem let's say if it could have been a problem that's why when you're back in the states you're doing a bit of work you're gathering more money to go back now if you let's say you you're back in the states you there for three four months you're earning some more money now in this situation it's also easier

now let's say there's a share like you hear of this shirt in bahrain let's say or in qatar or something or in let's say he's in the uae and he's a certain chair you see oh this guy seems epic let's say you connect now now imagine you you you because nowadays you can connect with people you send an email share you know i'd love to meet you i'm coming to this place now imagine you ask this chef for a small window like if you said to the sheriff i want to come and spend a year with you she would be like get lost you know i don't know who the hell you are but imagine you said to this chef you know i've i've been reading through your books i've been reading through this thing um

or imagine there's an intermediary and you say like you if there's a person in the middle you could maybe even say look i'd like to compensate this much if i could just spend one week with this shirt like for let's let's just say a few hours a day or whatever but if you're asking the ship directly obviously that might be you know a bit i don't know you got to gauge it right because it could come off a bit inappropriate but but you go into a share in a very compact time like let's say you target few it's like targeted like i hear this shirt let's say i hear

he's from the gulf somewhere i think is he from bahrain or is he from qatar he's from one of these places or is it koi but anyway he is it's a he's done some tacky great he's maliki as well but he's done some taking on hadith stuff now imagine reach i say sure you know i really love to come see you now you take him some gifts you see you've got because you've got the money to do so and you're only there for a short time you'll there's a great chance you would be entertained i mean not entertaining in the right sense meaning accommodated because a person would think oh okay you know because you can do that you can kind of afford to come in with this kind of like a a very like a surgical

approach like you're not scattered you're very targeted like let's say you've read some of his works and you've read this stuff now and whilst you're there you're working you just want to discuss it with him so you come there you meet him you've made contact let's say you give him some gifts check you know i'd love to just be able to just have some moments with you or you know i've been reading your books i just want to pick your brains on it i'm only there for a few days anyway so a person may think okay why not you know come see me on tuesday now you come see the sheriff and you know you've kind of charmed him a bit and you've kind of all right you've managed to discuss with him and it's okay so yeah you know you know if i could you know i'd just love to sit with you again just you know i just love

to pick your thoughts on this sure you know what hey welcome back day after tomorrow and you're there because you're only there a few days i'm flying out on such a such day sometimes these things may give you so much more than you going to cairo let's say and because i've spoken to people who go to a place and they live there for years and they've not really made connections with anyone because they just go to a mahad and they and really they just know their own that one random teacher in the heart then they go to this place and they know the teachers that come there but those teachers are like let's say then they're

not really significant nobody's really good from let's say now what i'm trying to say is sure that this way and they become complacent so it becomes passive learning so if maybe targeted learning where you've got the language out of the way and you can pick up the basics yourself and you pick up some intermediate and then you start taking sessions maybe they're online maybe you go to a place you spend a few months because you know your time is limited you will be pressed to do much more like if i got here and i said well you know i've got five years here

i'll be like okay if i got here and i said well you know i've got to leave by august or i've got to leave by september and i think or by october i think okay damn i better you know i better get on with it you know i better go to this place i better organize this i better i don't want this so you have to find a job too right yeah yeah exactly so this is one way that for example let's say you were working um in the states let's say you're temping you're doing some contemporary jobs you're just having an income but you're just gathering some money to be able to live only for three four months abroad and then come back

so in a way it kind of affords one these kind of um these pockets of uh of excursions and also it allows you to diversify your excursions because you know because in years to come you'll be like oh yeah you know oh yeah when when you know when i was in tunis oh you know when i was in alexandria i was in oman you know it's it sounds honestly i i love the thought of i i think that would be epic if i don't know it's a thought but there's no harm in go obviously if you want to go enroll in a university get a full

degree and come out sure i mean that's i think what you're saying is a good idea too because even in the quran you know it says to travel and see the world so i mean you see that the way i'm saying you won't come out of it with a degree but to me what is an islamic degree going to give you anyway true to me an islamic degree doesn't give anything it doesn't like there's no worldly income you're going to get from an islamic degree so at most you can use it to become a teacher in an islamic studies let's say religious department some way but i was going to say am i one to teach in the future i'm not sure yet

yeah exactly sure but i understand that so you have to kind of look at all your your own goals and pitch it accordingly you have to think well you know what i do want a degree so okay how does that work then and maybe you can work it in different ways maybe you could think well you know what in that case uh i know in the uk we have an open university system where you kind of can study distantly and nowadays i think a lot of universities do because of covid so the ou we have here used to be much cheaper than regular universities maybe you have a system where you know you think okay well i could do a part-time

degree and it could take me five six years and i could do it in religious studies but i'll do it abroad i'll do it wherever i'm traveling see it doesn't matter because it's cheaper and i just have to do it abroad anyway so i mean i don't have to attend anyway so it's food for thought food for thought but yusuf uh it's been great speaking yeah thank you i really appreciate it very well i'm just gonna add that like uh i killed the carrier of petroleum engineering so usually we work like two weeks on and two weeks off so i thought with the advice you gave me maybe like those two weeks i can use them to you know do something you know may allah give you more and more yeah um

people that was yusuf zaidani from the states on seeking knowledge your analogy was i'm not sure what analogy that was uh momo the legend yep i can speak first how well because no one can understand them without it oh it could be could be uh yeah of course

blessed people right it is a undoubtedly uh right so cool let me i've got who i've got some people here all right guys can i see any let me share the link again i've got almo and i've got zubair i can't see any what does he mean by divine what what right guys can you switch on your webcams and let me bring you on let me take a sip of water we've got much zubaid okay let's add subway

assalamu alaikum can you hear me i can indeed i can indeed how are you doing good brother how are you i'm good i'm good so i see we're both i was just checking the the webcam we're both kind of facing oh yeah uh yeah i was trying to do it so we both looked towards each other as opposed to looking away from oh this all right that's the way all right oh no we're still away from each other okay though that's the right yeah cool okay so you're looking at me then let me

shift guys to see if i can try to okay so what's going on today where are you joining us two things i am joining from canada i came with two two-ish questions maybe you can answer them sure of course one was just generally like uh is there any place to like reach you with academic things because i'm writing a thesis on monotheism and i want it to show your way eventually when it finishes

sure i mean yeah yeah just to send to me i mean what to do is reach out to me on instagram in fact instagram should have my email kind of on it but if not just drop me a message and i will connect with you and send you my email and you can just uh send it off if it's just that and obviously insta is a good way to connect anywhere i'm usually very responsive if it's uh detailed discussions so what i say to people are if you just want a quick kind of like if you want to connect obviously instagram is usually the best place uh and if you want to just bounce thoughts um yeah it's a great place but if you want

a detailed uh or what is it like an actual interaction one then patreon uh on patreon there is a section that allows you to book in one to one kind of hourly uh sessions so you can just do that and we can that's for detailed kind of stuff i tell people because people sometimes ask questions and they want to connect and it's and it's awesome i love that but then sometimes they want a very detailed you know not just a quick you know one two minutes kind of voice note they want like a very thorough analysis or something so there's always that option on top yeah that's kind of what i was hoping for so that's perfect i'll just head over there and then

go from there sounds epic so what's going on what's the occupying precious thoughts the second question is um i asked this to another like thing like this and it's generally you know avoided kind of so it's a philosophical question the question is do we as humans as muslims need bad things to exist and happen because an ecosystem needs to uh what's the word an ecosystem needs to exist in which we can have the possibility of committing good deeds

wow uh in the sense that do is there a uh is it there an is it necessary for there to be evil and harm in the world for us to do good yeah because i don't i don't i personally don't believe that if it was all good then there would be no you know action for us to take so there would be no quote-unquote accumulating good deeds yeah i guess the yeah the question is that you see could there be any good if all was good yeah exactly because by definition it kind of

flattens it out because then there couldn't be any good if all was good uh in the sense that they it has nothing to distinguish it from anything else so it would just be yes it couldn't be uh distinct um and and thereby by extension it couldn't be called goodness because it would just simply be called being because it would just be yeah it would just be a state of being and there would be nothing contrasting so yeah i uh from a philosophical

perspective i feel yeah um things true we can only understand it in contrast to things which are not good yeah we can only understand goodness by contrast true i i true that that that's a i would feel is a given yeah okay cool um and another thing a lot of uh i guess sunni muslims if you will just the general majority are afraid to answer so maybe you can just quickly answer this is would god in the islamic jurisprudence in any of them be considered infinite i know he's

considered eternal but is he considered infinite wow okay um you know what shed some light on on that for us that how are you differentiating between eternal and infinite so for me infinite would be to for something to be truly infinite it has to be all-encompassing because for something to be infinite it has to take all possible it has to fill all possible areas of space that it can possibly fill and beyond that so if something was a truly so not just we're not speaking so basically it's not

temporal we're not talking about that i mean that's not the the object of focus um it's it's everything yes yeah yeah so right i feel okay so here hmm i feel it gets tricky yeah people because in one sense some muslims would feel yes that [Music] you see because allah

is the ground of being yes and from his being and by his being any other being can only contingently exist so so it's not so it's not to say that he is the first in a series of movers as is the aristotelian way in the kalam argument but more so that he is the ground the necessary ground of being from which being emerges uh but

and by which being emerges so what they call in akhida so that's interesting because from there it stems to hmm so right do we does god so do we exist kind of i don't know if it's because words are tricky yeah in a way to say that do we exist in the mind of god so to speak um

so are we obviously we exist in the mind of god it's not to say we are god in the sense that we are god god in that sense they don't say that so this is i guess we you had people speaking of or the non-duality of being and they argued that ultimately just god exists and nothing else actually exists in comparison to in comparison to god's existence but that's not just you see this was believed by many mystics of islam of sunni islam

many of the great mystics kind of held to the yeah another people you see the problem with is people can't understand it because we have no frame of reference to understand it because we can't understand non-duality there is an ineffability about non-duality so it becomes very because when you explain that you are a part of everything yet you are still distinctly you and not the other but you're not not the other also it it becomes like it

becomes nonsensical yeah people don't they don't understand it so that so that so they and as the hadith says you know or as the the commonly transmitted you know popularized people easily become opposed to that which they do not understand so you see the thing about this or this people the mystic said that you can only understand it by disillusion of the ego that the ego must undergo an ego death and then you and you must go through a

fana they had this concept of this annihilation of the ego the perishing of the ego filler and concerning god or in relation to god there is fana and then what is left is al-baqara you go from this transition from now this is very mystic speak and obviously to the to the kind of calm logical mind the mathematical or the the the uh to that mind it doesn't it sounds like gibberish it doesn't it can't compute it it doesn't understand you can

understand the words but there's no meaning to it so yeah so this is why it's often rejected by most people because they can't and then what they resort to is a a kind of compartmentalized a kind of structuralized theology to respond and i guess that makes more sense for general people to me like i understand where the structural theology is coming from it's saying look this is how god is this is because it's it's being put into words because

common people can understand these basic words um to me that the mystic approach uh i also understand that uh i feel that that is also incredibly invaluable um but i also understand that that most people will not understand that because it is something only experiential they would say it's for the people of though people who've tasted it only can understand it so i i feel both parts have they you know contribute valuably invaluably to the discourse and your common person will not you know

if you try to speak this to him they wouldn't understand it so they would just be averted and the hadith says that hadith you speak to people in a way that they understand do you wish that allah and his messenger are denied because there's no point speaking in mystic speak to people who have not you know this is experiential so it's it's like saying the taste of an apple now you can't really put it into words you know no matter what word you say is sweet or is it like this i mean sweet like what sweet like sugar sweet like this is it unless you just taste

the apple you'll never really understand the taste of an apple so you can't never really explain in words the taste of an apple so this is an experiential path for people who who end up or find themselves on that path and this is the normal structured path of saying well no this is simply put and you know this is how we understand god we understand god through these arguments and god is these things in this list and he's not these things and that works sure yeah and and you know people that refute it sometimes you get refutations going on i mean you don't

really get reputation from the mystics that way but you get them this way yeah mystics and they'll say things like well you know if everything is ultimately um let's say if everything is um they will say like let's let's say because you see they say that well if god is everything but the mystics are not truly saying that though so they say well if god is everything you know like there's a common response that is made sometimes especially by the salafia for example or someone salafia they will say well if then god is in this apple and when i eat the apple i've eaten god and you know so and that's obviously a very

uh silly uh infantile kind of misrepresentation of that argument i don't think nobody nice i don't think nobody says it like nobody believes that so you're just refuting something which nobody believes i guess it's more akin to saying i don't know they're not exactly saying this either but a modern version would be [Music] that i guess it's more akin to saying well are we in the mind of god well if we exist in the mind of god uh we all still exist but are we in the mind of god

so i guess they didn't use those words but their arguments are more akin to that what they're saying is god is the ground of being it doesn't mean that other things don't be in their entity so they do exist but it's it's it's more like a game that is that doesn't have any true existence but it has an existence as far as we're concerned so they would say allah says this world is

that it is a distraction from what is reality but it's okay like we just as i guess our physics would say that you see in this world there are really no sounds no colors there are no tastes that nothing like that exists in this world that it's just in our mind like color doesn't actually exist neither does you know neither does sound neither does uh smell neither does taste it's all simply in our minds but we couldn't imagine a world like that so obviously allah is addressing us

with ways that we understand not how the world actually is because if if allah was to address us with the world how it actually is he would address us with about a world that has no color that has no but he doesn't he addresses it with color because we see color so yeah if that makes sense yeah i guess i can so i guess to quickly add on to that is with you saying that would it be against though he to say that god is infinite i would say

would it be against the hate um i would say that there's two ways to look at that if you're looking at it from theologian speak so the theologians are the muslim scholars of akida because there's a big distinction iman akita is creed and iman is faith so we don't have any patrons or scholars or wardens or you know officials of faith we have of creed scholars of creed faith is not

um it's you know it's kind of in its way it's it can't be captured it's a spirit it's not something which can be put into words in that sense people say well okay creed can't creed is a list scholars have designed creed so according to the theologians that i i would feel generally i don't i would feel probably most if not all theologians will or definitely most let's at least go with most just in case there's some that would clearly say that's kufa yes so most theologians would say that's disbelief and it goes against because

they you see in creed they have this creed in there that to refute christianity they say well god cannot become incarnate and to be incarnate is to come into his creation so they say well god can create creation but he can't come into his creation so that's the angle that they're coming from therefore they would all uh if not all maybe i i don't know maybe some people will say but maybe there's some from other sects that disagreed um so let's just go with most if not all would say that's kufar now if you're not looking at theologian

speak and you're looking at the mystics of islam and from sunni islam like mahathir ibn arabi and other people that followed him like rumi and all these people that were these mystics of islam uh they would uh they wouldn't see that as kuffar they would uh in fact you know even arbi writes in history this i mean not the word but this manifestation but they're not seeing it you see they don't they're not seeing it as god becomes incarnate they're not seeing it like that that's like a wrong way to see it they're saying that only in in actual just as you see we see

color but color doesn't exist just as we see certain things but they don't really exist objectively speaking we just see them in our mind so they would say really only god exists all else existence is but an illusion it's like a game that's been it's there to us it's like if we created a computer game let's say now computer games today are so uh graphically you know overpowering overwhelming in fact i you know this just goes to show i recently just shared this this clip uh on insta my insta story was

of these two cars on this race track and they were just skidding and they were maneuvering around each other so as not to hit each other one was a bmw and the other and it was just so perfectly executed it was like wow and i shared the clip like wow that just blew my mind and and then i realized afterwards it said oh did you realize that was a computer game i i i honestly i could not tell it looked so real now so okay let's say with our graphics if we even let's say we keep improving these the games by even

0.1 0.001 there will come a point where it will become in you know indistinguishable from reality now let's say these characters in the game we give them some kind of uh uh consciousness some kind of quasi-autonomous consciousness that they think they are conscious even if we know they're not but they think they are because now people in games they know characters in game they have to eat they have to get dressed i have to do things so let's say this character in the game thinks it believes it's conscious

even if we know it isn't you see to the character in the game everything is real like they would think that and it is real from the the character perspective it is real everything that is happening you know the people they are meeting the interactions they are doing it's not to say it isn't real for them for them it is real let's say they could somehow feel pain they could somehow feel joy they could let's say we if we keep improving you know it's not difficult that we would reach such a stage where the characters have some uh illusory consciousness that they feel they are conscious

so i mean just considering lambda the lambda thing that was leaked by google where the you know it's indistinguishable if you read the interview you couldn't tell and that's the turin test isn't it the test is if you're speaking on this side to a machine you can't tell it's a machine or a person it's past the test if a human can't tell if i'm chatting to someone and i can't tell this is a machine a bot or a human then it has passed the test because i can't figure if i can ask it questions whatever i want and i still can't tell i have to speak to five people and two of them on machines and i don't know which one and at the end i can't figure it out i get them wrong

those machines have passed the test because they that you as a human being could not distinguish so that's the turing test so the point is that now so when these people were saying it's it's an illusion they meant it like that not in the sense that it is still real for us so i would say well the mystics did allow for it and the theologians uh if not all i i would i must i'm assuming all said it was kufar so that's the kind of difference you have that's what i that's for the theologian aspect that's what i heard yeah okay thank you but cool it's been epic

just before i leave um okay i just want to leave with one quick thing is uh the video that piqued my interest a lot was when you correcting who isaiah was osiris jose being cyrus so just quickly um have you ever heard of the theory that uh what's his name idris thoth i have actually okay good that's very fascinating because i you know when i looked into that i came across idris uh uh being what they said thoth and in arabic they uh wrote it as uh i think they wrote it as

sooth or something or something something like that i think i think i can't remember now they or tahuz or something but i can't remember but they in arabic they they wrote it a bit differently and they were saying because you know maybe he's the first person to to scribe and the first person to do it's interesting because also sounds like a kind of a greek you know it sounds like some there's some influences along the way to to add to the to the name yeah it's just the structure um but yeah it's because it's fascinating we have no understanding of idris

one interesting in the christian aspect of it if we look at christianity they say uh enoch lived 365 days those are years right and then he was that he went to god in thoth is mythology he was the god that created the 365-day calendar so there's a correlation oh yeah and there's some yeah i remember reading at the time i mean it's kind of uh i'd have to revisit it but they were showing a lot of correlations oh not a lot but they're showing a few similarities between certain traditions stating idris uh because in from the quranic and the pure

islamic perspective there's very little i mean the understanding is we don't even know where to place him in the timeline except that he seems to be incredibly ancient like we just don't know where to place him and um there's nothing really mentioned so surely the the some arabs at the time when the quran was being revealed must have had some reference of idris this is why he's mentioned because he's mentioned because he it would resonate with some people um now obviously we don't have that continuity to understand what they

understood by it so yeah it is it is fascinating i mean the osiris thing i found it it made more sense to me yeah yeah i mean i get people felt that you know no it's a bit far-fetched but i i thought you know hmm it seems to resonate because that this that the early jewish community they had this the kind of spirit of osiris with them it wasn't like they it was more a because they were raised into it it would have been difficult to distinguish

i mean not to jettison it completely it would have been a real struggle and osiris is that great you know the epic uh deity that everybody loved and everybody had this thing for so it made sense yeah yeah um i appreciate this thank you very much for answering all the questions i will see you on patreon though oh man i'll take kiss speak to you there much love see you soon salam ali can get back together look like you were aiming away i just came home from work oh is that how you come home from work

just chilling coming back from work in his gaming gear he must work for like one of these gaming stations where he just gets to chill all day [Laughter] um all right so all right we've got from that's sean serrato bless you bringing back to islam wow okay may allah bless your journey may allah bless you um

show us that glorious face [Laughter] inaudible it says that if you surpass you know with your excellence humanity and yet you are from amongst them like that doesn't that's not really an issue because he says

he says it is but some it is from the blood of the gazelle meaning that it kind of uh um that it really you see it ultimately it's it's evolved from blood [Laughter] but it's musk allah i was just about to add jay and he's disappeared you know what i'll share the link and you know what whilst you is the admittance right you know what actually

jay is just coming back guys what i can actually you know what give me two minutes people i'm going to yeah i'm just going to quickly do my salah i should you know i should have a tea break i should have played something you know i never thought i should have played something but you guys can just wait actually you can ah now then there will be if i bring something up it'll just make it could make a copyright issue so you just wait all in good time people all in good time

questions so tip

so the frog uh he's back all right so we're back we've shared the link

all right let's get this we've got jay uh i like it i like it how are you keeping jay i'm doing good um got back from vacation so you know uh doing pretty good all right awesome stuff much your current for joining us uh what any thoughts preoccupying your precious mind yeah so i'm uh i'm a mexican descent and that's

a big part of my identity personally but i study a lot of mesoamerican pre-columbian history and stuff and cool and so my question is first of all uh could there be a profit after muhammad if the dean had not reached the area yet for example like today there's lost not lost but tribes in the coast off india which don't even have fire nonetheless you know the quran so that's my question really sure um

so what i would say is that see when we speak of prophet um nabi or in islam speak when we speak of nabi or rasool we speak associated with a dean and miller okay now like a religion sure now as far as even history is concerned or anthropology

world faiths were really sealed with islam there was this is from a non-faith perspective now if you look at the interview by yuval harari as well where he's asked this question he's not he's an atheist or you know maybe an agnostic atheist but he's um and his book sapiens is incredible by the way but he when he's asked this on his interview he says the same thing as well that look when he's asked about world religions emerging that that that is something that will never return to humanity

world do not like you can't explain why but it will it has not happened and it will not happen there seems to be this post-axial age in which religions set root and solidify whatever has emerged in that post-axial window so you had the axial age which was seems to be more an awakening a kind of conscious uh introspective um spiritual awakening that's happening around the world which is before jesus that's the axial age where you had the buddha you had confucius you had all

these people socrates you had all this going on none of them were bringing religion but they were all bringing this kind of awakening almost setting the stage then religion comes and you have this post axial age you've had jesus you've had the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi and whether people are muslim or non-muslim they can't argue with the fact that after islam the fate for [Music] world religions is sealed there was there will nev and there was

never to be another faith on of religion on earth that would become a world religion after the prophet muhammad sallallahu alaihi just as an anthropological and historical fact i mean that's just stating an observational thing now however that now there's a different question does that could there be people who were inspired by god now the hadith of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam states that look there is a hadith in which the prophet says that look they will be after me he says that people and i think the word that is

used we've almost been spoken to but he says that and i think in a reward that it is not that kind of wahi that has not been that they are not we're not saying they are prophets of organized religion in that sense or prophets in the islamic speak or or but that they have been divinely within intuitively they have it's that they have been spoken to by

the divine by intuition let's say that allah speaks to them to do good to to kind of maybe to prevent people from harm or like you said in remote places where there are no messages where there is no organized religion then of course in this sense islam would that there is there are teachings of the prophet that there will be people like that and there will always be people like that that will continue forever that you will find them that they were you know that they they have this connection they are people of god but they may not have even heard of islam that they you know let's say they're on

a continent they're in the meso american landscape no islam has reached within hundreds of miles they've never heard of islam yet they are people of god that they have felt you know that the the divine uh intimations of divine whispers that to them that you know and they've been inspired and they've called people to goodness i feel that in a sense is not that would that that islam does say that that is uh but actual ambiya a nabi or a rasool or things like that because islam has an understanding of what these things are

it's linked to a deen a miller it's linked to a religion uh that islam and history shows that just never seem to to to have ever occurred on that scale yeah yeah so that's what i would say yeah the reason i asked is that um because there was a certain man his name was and he there's several things that stick out to me of course we have to be careful because a lot of the sources were corrupted by christianity and other religions in the area at the time but he mentions a few things which sound very familiar to you know

our dean is that he says you have to pray towards cholula which was a holy city at the time which you know many religions have their qiblas and so forth but this is interesting to me what what era is he from sorry he was from the the 900s the 10th century okay short 10th century sure and so is he native or does he come to them no he was he was born in the valley of mexico yeah okay wow and so there's other things like he talks about one god and of course at other times he talks about other gods but the consistent message is he says yes worship one god reject idolatry no more human sacrifice that sort of stuff

okay yeah of course i mean that kind of stuff that would be in the way i would see that is that that would be absolutely affirmed and celebrated by islam that would be you see in these especially in these contexts because it's very difficult that i mean i don't know but it seems very difficult for islam to have reached those you know those regions of the globe um maybe i mean some people have put forward an argument maybe some places were contacted there was transatlantic kind of from north west africa some people i know i've put some theories but the whole region anyway even if even if

there was to some let's say there's certain parts that made some contact with the outside world but most of that kind of inner where you've got the amazon and all these places and people it would have been very difficult for people to penetrate those you know those regions these people would be people of the fatah and sorry of the fitra and they would have their own on you know they would just have their ways and then they would be people amongst them surely who allah would divinely inspire because how else because if you think of it how else is any message to to come to these people because

okay wahi isn't going to come in the in the revelatory sense because you know the world faiths have been sealed but inspiration intuition is something we all have you know we all have intuition where we have this and some are more connected than others you know some our channel of intuition is more clearer and some people they say you know through meditation and things like this you can have a you can you can kind of enhance or amplify your intuition so you find people every now and then that maybe you know from

cut off from complete civilization even and yet they get these you know they they get they they have this noetic knowledge of saying well you know we should not be the worshipping idols and we should not be uh sacrificing human beings and we should not be we should you know this ultimately our creator is one and so that yeah that goes absolutely that is in harmony with the the teachings of islam yeah so then i have one final question and this is either going to be a curveball or super easy for you

[Laughter] yes when he said pray towards the lula the and it's one of the largest uh pyramids in the world and it's considered a holy site even today by some indigenous people when he said that is that does that still apply to mexicans and generally just north americans in general or do we have to pray towards mecca like other muslims oh as opposed to having the the what is the place they pray to it what's it called uh cholula like the hot sauce if you've ever seen that yeah

okay wow that's interesting oh you know it's good it's good to know these things all right right okay i see oh it's like the hot sauce of course yeah oh is that the image that's coming up it's like this kind of temple on a yeah and of course you know the spanish they went to the top and built a giant cathedral yeah because it looks like it's got like a dome it's got domes to it right now yeah um cholula hot sauce all right that's coming up as well quite a bit interesting it's got these kind of minarets to it as well now looks a bit like a masjid

now it does doesn't it looks a bit like a mustache yeah almost wow pueblos yeah all right so so right so yeah do uh mexicans pray towards uh chaluta no they don't pray to us but it's look one uh i suppose a different question stemming from this so muslims who are mexicans would pray towards the qibla which is the kaaba sure which is in makkah and not to anything else now but a different question which i suppose you didn't ask but i i suppose

somewhat related maybe okay but this person he is telling you know he chose a center which was let's say uh cholula now obviously he didn't have contact with the outside world and stuff but he told people stop doing you know focus your prayer towards this one point what about that because that's not it's not that i would say is for him doing it as a person that's like very strategic and it makes absolute sense because you see you need to unify people on a

direction and people in the past did it you know maybe to the east because the sun rises from the east or if you but that but then that's kind of like and okay that's a place but that's not a central place where people around they can all kind of a unity of experience that's just more saying when the sun rises so islam what it had done was chose makkah the kaaba as this unitive point where everybody would kind of fixate their attention allah says

wherever you turn you will find god it's not that allah was saying it's not that god is fixated in in the ka'ba or situated here this is more a qibla qibla meaning a direction where we have just united your focus so for him to have done that for the mexicans that lived there makes absolute sense and i think that would have been very very useful very beneficial for him doing it in his condition where he he's obviously not part of you know organized islam he's not part of islam yeah because he hasn't made any contact

with the outside world so for him it makes absolute sense and i feel that would be in harmony with islam him doing that the as fitra but yeah for people generally speaking who know about islam who islam reaches them they would obviously the qibla is always the haram in makkah it's been an absolute uh pleasure and an honor for having you on here sharing your experiences yeah and definitely stay in touch it'd be great to to to learn from your experiences and in fact if you're on instagram to uh

connect with me drop me a message it'd be great i mean maybe you know all this the whole meso american kind of legacy and traditions and the whole uh journey of humanity maybe we could get you on a mind trap someday discussing it yeah if you do want to look into it beforehand uh there's a religious scholar he has a youtube channel called religion for breakfast and he released the whole video oh i i do follow that religion from yeah you've released a whole video about specifically aztec religion which in my eyes uh is the most similar to islam out of the american religions which sounds weird but you watch the

video you'll see yeah no sure sounds epic jay shukran will speak soon take care of yourself people that's jay from uh arizona of rai we've got asana and then we'll wrap this up people it's been quite an evening hugo sanchez legendary so we've got here somebody saying hugo sanchez legendary golozzo olia of right

we've got some other names i don't know somebody saying how can we ask questions what's happening here there yeah no idea no idea i just you know let's to addre last to other years uh what's his name what's his name here the poet says in our week

i'm just walking the path is unfolding [Laughter] i was uh i'm trying to figure out why there's been white strands on my left side happening i'm i keep looking at it like look i keep i feel it you know the kid at heart still lives strong and i i'm kind of like always is the the inner child is always with us man always you know so i wanted to twice a child yeah you know about the inner child i wanted to do something fun this time around all right so instead of uh just maybe make this a little bit more personal about you

about me um so i want to ask you some questions and see if you can right i want to ask you today if you uh can give us uh answers to them and of course we'll just get run through sure okay are you ready are you good let's see good i can't promise i'll give the answers but sure let's go for it all right um so my first question is who's the most important person in your life and why

wow okay that's interesting because to be honest you see you say it like that and it's because i don't think of it like that but i would feel that they'd definitely in many ways my daughters i would feel yeah because i don't see when you say the most important on it's interesting like how do how do i interpret

importance because if it's if it's in a value system of saying well who would i gave up the most for like entirely on a sacrificial let's say then i guess the number one would be them so yeah so i guess if you're looking at it from that perspective um

yeah so i exactly i mean it's an open so it's wow it's such a simple but yet in some ways so diff not difficult but ambiguous as well kind of it's kind of structured but chaotic the question because if i feel uh people who give value or i mean obviously importance is to give value but it would give it would mean in different ways then because i guess um one could say well okay what about in terms of um

me seeking as as opposed to see when i was saying i suppose children do give you also a sense of joy their presence but i was speaking more as in you being if you saw it as who would i give up the most for now what about people who add to you just the by their company they are the most important well i guess in that case it would be one could say well maybe friend or spouse i guess um but there's a yeah and then i guess

it's interesting because i i think this would be a very relational as in relative to question so it would be just as you know if we're to ask how what kind of a person are we now well we are or let's say i am such and such the blank let's say i was to say i am fun but sure there may be some people who i'm not fun to let's say in a working capacity or in a maybe to that person you're very

strict and you're very you know in in let's say if if you have somebody who you are in charge of them maybe to a certain person you're not so now it would be well to whom so maybe to some people you are so but yet it's the same us and there's a different facet a different aspect a manifestation depending on whom we are the dynamic is is locked in and and in frequency you know the frequency is kind of interacting with so similarly i i would feel that the importance

definitely goes to the near and dear so it would go to family it would go to friends like in two f's if we're going to just put it there it would just be that umbrella the answer would be the f for you although i just immediately thought why that is not the good way to say it right of course so so but yeah i guess that would be family friends okay yeah all right next one have you ever broken up with a friend and why

yeah i have um yeah um i have on more than one occasion but it's not it's not um it's not often these things happen i think it's very because i'm i have a very um i think easy to go personality so i'm someone that i think if you're close with it would take a lot to to kind of i mean i guess situations could just create distances so let's say a person gets busy and they just don't

make contact much and that's different uh yeah we're talking we're talking about that but i'm talking more but actually where a person cuts you off like they become very um kind of it's not just distance it's on time it's more it's kind of an active intentional uh it's very kind of aggressively uh like an actual severance that has happened in the past maybe on a couple of occasions many years ago um i think on one occasion it was uh it was to do with with money um

and i feel on both occasions i i suppose people may say i would say this i would feel on both occasions i it wasn't because of me but it was because of the other person because i'm very kind of easy going but it you know the other person kind of put it as okay then in that case you know don't ever i don't want to talk to you and i don't want to right so this don't ever show in terms of like they have crossed lines for you yeah and i feel that in a way that i would feel that that said that person on that situation we actually

um you know after many years though but we did actually reconnect alhamdulillah and we kind of like patched up because it was a shame you know for it to be over things like that you know over and so alhamdulillah we now are still very good friends now on the other occasion there is an incident i can remember with someone which wasn't even really about me it was about other people but i guess i was just there as in and just accused of just taking sides where you know i guess maybe by that person's perspective i i was um and then they made this huge point of you know just

severing all ties and boycotting and at a point they were reasonably very i would say you know quite close like at a point definitely amongst the kind of very close friends and so to to do that with me even though i wasn't really involved in let's say there was an issue between them and between some people but i'm just a friend of both people and now being accused of not you know taking the side or being with you and so therefore uh cut off as well in in all honesty i felt i can only think of those two examples and the first was a disappointment because it was a

you know it was a true friend it was like a childhood confront and the alhamdulillah we kind of did we reconnected after several years though but we did reconnect and now we are good friends so that's i'm grateful for that um because that would have been you know always hurtful to me because i would have felt that that's so because i you know i truly do value friendships you know i i feel that friends are so important especially like genuine friends and on the second scenario in all honesty i i feel in hindsight it was maybe good riddance you know just being honest because i feel that

some people you know in hindsight they are they carry a kind of toxicity to them that wherever they are they always causing kind of like you know arguments between people they're always doing stuff and maybe they can still become close friends with you but you know maybe it's better not having that kind of noise around or that kind of vibe you know frequency let's say i'm not trying to fault that i'm sure you know maybe that's just their personality but maybe you just don't need it in your life you know you need more peace and tranquility and so yeah so in that sense that did that that's only one example i can think of in

at least like two decades let's say um which to be honest i'm kind of i was in hindsight i was kind of like okay that's good you know just let it let it go i mean when it happened i wasn't like that i was kind of like i don't know why this is such a huge drama over but in hindsight i thought alhamdulillah you know all in good time because allah i i felt that it was good because you know sometimes you don't want uh just any kind of certain vibrations that aren't in harmony with your own so close to you because it yeah yeah so

yeah so that's that's so i can really only just think of two ever cases i don't think i can't think of anybody really ever and yeah so alhamdulillah that's that's that's i would count that as as a good thing i don't yeah last question wow quite interesting questions last question if you had an opportunity if you're you're you're hosting it then i'm hosting a dinner you're hosting a dinner and you get to have five dinner guests that are alive who are you inviting

this is a difficult one you know because i don't you know because it's so difficult and so [Music] you know because yeah because you know in many ways we because there's so many because we obviously from immediately you know we we oh we are brought to the uh to the wish that could we ever uh meet the prophet sallallahu alaihi for example could we ever like this is

you know somebody that's so at the heart of an entire portion of humanity and you know just to be able to if that be in the presence and just to see that wow and you know and imagine being able to just ask a simple question too i mean it would be you know wow it would be beyond well i mean it would be ineffable right so you have one of course of course of course unquestionably

and then i feel that there's there's obviously a religious you know that there's that religious thing because people would say well you know oh obviously companions and they would say uh but i would if i was to say well okay let's because obviously the companions are in such uh high esteem but let's say we were to say well only one from an era and so you know this is your dinner

i would be really intrigued now i had to go to a different era um i would definitely have to uh choose imam malik because i'm so uh inspired by his his kind of way of thinking um [Music] you know just the whole because he it's not he puts together a tradition of islam a living tradition of islam and i would just have so many you see but to be honest you know this dinner i i would feel that the dinner couldn't be like that

because the dinner could only be one person at a time because i couldn't because it would be disrespectful to have anybody other than the prophet and you know if you had that encounter so there would be nobody else coming that would just be it so it could only be one at a time okay so it could just be one guest and because then you have to give the full attention to that guest and so yeah i would definitely be so in awe um and that i don't know you know it's like wow [Laughter] you know we gotta ask imagine people we

can now bring anybody and i'm so kind of out of what are people look at these people saying oh that was a top somebody said somebody living oh right uh somebody living just throw in a random one these are now this isn't in any order now after this you know i mean yeah at this point obviously so it's it's kind of all fair game uh people i'm so inspired by that are living today um uh i'm really inspired by uh by mike

tyson you know i'm so inspired by him uh by the new mike tyson that there that there is um that you know he just i i feel this just that his heart has been touched by the hand of god you know like there are some people who who god has inspired them and i feel that he is one of those people in this age how we see him you know the now the new the the kind of of course and i mean i i i do keep up with what's happening of course i agree with you but okay so right random people come on people let's get

some suggestions okay so you have because once a person says the prophet you can't say anybody else no no it's only the prophet now after that imam malik as a separate obviously sitting who else you know what i would actually love to get imam bukhari because i would you know i think i would have some very interesting discussions with imam bukhari because i would really be intrigued by what his uh you know because of my whole uh study into

i would love to see what it is that you know he was like okay his thoughts and and i think that would be such a fascinating like what his entertainment and discussion and just to to put what i'm saying as well to him to see how he's reading what i'm saying because it's ultimately him how does he how ex how and how accepting is he of what i'm saying how rejecting is he how uh where is he what did he even intend i think it would be such a you know just a a wow a fantastic

uh discussion um [Music] right i so okay we've got imam bukhari um so you do have a whole muslim table thus far i've got so far thus far all muslim okay let's throw in another muslim and then we'll go for a non-muslim uh you know i've always been intrigued i've always been intrigued by ibn hasam and uh i i would love to get even has them on a one-on-one i mean i would pay top money i've put my left kidney

not not i need it i'll renege on that as soon as it happens i'll be like i want that back right so i uh because i've i've just always been so fascinated and so curious by him and many of his you know he's thinking he's kind of out of the box he's kind of his tongue in cheek his rebelliousness his um his journey sometimes i feel that there was a uh there was a a rebellious streak in me that resonated so much with that streak in ibn hazm and i've always been so curious about him and he's been so cool

and he's always this you know somebody that had a lot of style to him as well and um they say you would always be stylish dressed i mean it's not obviously down to that but i'm just saying here there was this thing that always got me about him you know he writes in his um he says he says that he had these really bad habits he says he had these four really unspoken of bad habits yeah like he says they and and he says two of them uh he says two of them have been healed and he got healed

he says he prayed to allah to have been healed and he says two he still continues till this day you know while he's writing this man i want to know what [Laughter] i've been so curious since i've read that 20 years ago i was like man what was he up to i want to know right so i've been you've been just hanging so i've been like whoa okay uh let's now go back and go

out of the field of the islamosphere and who are we so fascinated and intrigued by that we you know i wonder i'm thinking hmm right if it went let me see hmm

right interesting because i feel like you have your name yeah because i i have a few names yeah i see it in your face i have a few names and i'm just trying to narrow them down thinking which would be better would it be truly better to spend on thinking with socrates a whole imagine getting to spend yeah wow you know that um or imagine you could spend a day with somebody like darius i mean was he

really all well then again his predecessor um what is it cyrus is it uh were they really but that would bring it back to the islamic thing that great that they were or would it with the philosophies of socrates i mean this person who inspires ends on triggering an entire civilization be yeah i mean it's it's one of those

wow i'm just honestly i'm not a [Music] or would i you know what just say forget it all let's go spend an evening with mir takimir the poet and then there's snoop dogg you know i mean you could also that would just be such a a smoking session somebody said from the living i could have chosen shahrukh khan yeah i guess i could have

right wow it's been this has been a really incredibly fascinating thought experiment i thought i would uh change things up a little bit maybe have a little fun generally are they are they good it's been a while i know we haven't really caught up they've i i hope they've been good do you send me by the way i'll send you the will schedule a a a session inshallah i look forward to that as well cool okay so take care man it's been a pleasure

people that was uh epic conversation look at that spicing things up for us um wow you know what let's wrap this up it's gone on way too long nobody's gonna watch this damn thing [Laughter] hot boxing with mike tyson that would be epic man of course of course wow somebody said somebody said hugh hefner yes yes somebody said trump whoa okay

the pharaoh what a discussion that would be amazing huh you know what shall we we've got a zubaid ahmed come on shall we share a fake few quick words go on then i take it

so i thought maybe i can have a quick word actually you know last night i was trying to practice some you know gratitude but uh the mind and you know this the mind and heart was not full in the gratitude actually heart was there but the mind was having some blockage so so what is the best way to have total surrender or something like that i think this mind is working logically because it brings on brings in the logic you know that you should have this thing

this thing this thing so that you cannot surrender so how can we counter gratitude for gratitude you see it's like the hadith teaches us you see for the dunya you know to to strive a person they look up they see people above them they you know it compels them to work harder

it removes us from complacency but for gratitude we look to people below you know not to put it beneath but to say in this hierarchical structure beneath us because it reminds us of what we do have that we have so much when we think about it so yeah i would say that you know for if we're talking about gratitude one does have to foster within our hearts we have to

bring about this a realization of of what of all the people that would seriously take this as you know as a simple example if we were really struggling all we have to do if we really want to put it into action is visit a hospital board you know i mean if would at the very

least if a person was to even discuss with some people now i was just discussing uh one of my a friend and a patreon client that we were just discussing he's a doctor and currently looking at oncology uh in that in that department and he was just telling me that every day i'm having to tell people that you know that that there's a a hanging death but just before that they've got weeks to live for example or let's say months that their death is imminent

that every day he was saying that's that's all been happening and young and old and he was just and we were just speaking about he was saying that how and it's very obvious it's obvious that the struggle that people have with that concept you know this notion that look right now wherever you are in the nearest hospital to you that wherever you are perhaps within let's say a few mile radius maybe a three mile radius they you know maybe a couple of miles they will be a hospital wherever you are

that within that hospital there will be someone pegging crying to have the opportunities you have that i have that every one of us thinking about this house somebody saying yeah allah just give me that you know that they're not pointing at you but they're asking for you are just a placeholder they're asking for that opportunity and they're saying watch me turn it around yeah just give it to me and watch me do it and you know what they will

if they were to be given it they would do it as well but i guess this is the the kind of quran actually you know i tried to convince myself that i should go in that way like you know as you said compare but the mind is on another level it is comparing all the time but i am somehow trying to you know pull this side into it and the other way is i was going to say you see that's one wing but the other wing is not in you know to

make this stay afloat it's not necessarily that's one side of it the other lateral perspective is to in simply in giving now this sounds strange because you think well you know what's that going to do because if i just give how is that going to add to gratitude and giving can be in all sorts it can start with gestures start you're walking down the road you see someone you know you just be polite say thank you say you know you just say good morning to someone you just say salaam alaikum you just smile at someone with somebody hungry you give them something to eat

you're stuck somebody standing there you know you're standing in front of maybe you pay for somebody's coffee make a little thing it's not a big thing this you you know there's such it's it's almost miraculous that the power that's hidden in that for gratitude you think well that doesn't make sense because i'm supposed to do that if i'm grateful but you know if i did it but it has such magnetism that when you do one step it pulls you towards it you gravitate towards it like allah's hidden in these things that you start thinking wow okay like you start it's weird it has a cyclical

motion you know like they say that if you want to become skillful at something i'm sorry not skillful if you want information on something let's say i want to learn about something and i'm um very like i can't be bothered to like oh my god i totally don't like i find it so boring but i need to like let's say it's really important i learn about this particular topic but i find it so boring all i have to do is start gathering some information on that topic what happens is the mind connects information with interest so the more information you get the more you want to you get curious about it the more curious you get the more

information you get about it and it goes round and round and round in a cyclical way so gratitude works in a similar thing so you you for example going you you do an act of gratitude what would be an act of gratitude a small step baby steps you just here's a little thing you give something you smile at someone you take a walk you say a kind word and the more you do it the more potential in islamic sense that the term is in islam speak the the more potential is created the tawfiq is created and the more potential that's created the more you do the more you do the more

potential that's created the more and in a cyclical way before you know it you're full steam ahead and then you're like wow this is you know why is everybody not like this it has an amazing uh you know this kusha to it it has this gravity sure but okay but i like the f the fact that you're even concerned and thinking about this awaiji

other people are preoccupied with other thoughts i just want to have a complete threat because surrender is nothing but gratitude right surrender is gratitude complete surrender but somehow the surrender is happening sometimes but sometimes the mind comes in the way and creates some logic then i want it for counter logic you know it just goes on and on so i just see five weeks how to switch off this and just

how does it counter gratitude uh actually you know once i because the mind is comparing with myself with other my colleagues oh as in you should be more hungry more achieve more focus on yourself more egoistic kind of ego yeah and that's important too in its own capacity but i tell you i'll tell you the secret you see this is where what you can remind yourself is there is a divine algorithm of synchronicity so you remind yourself that look i know

it's not a logical mathematical causal corollary it's not you know if i'm giving i'm obviously not getting it's obvious you know in fact if i give five pounds away then i'm five pounds less richer than i was if i give a hundred pounds i'm a hundred pound less if i give a thousand a thousand this is basic logic that's the logical speak but you remind yourself through through the mystery of the divine algorithm that allah says in giving you shall get so so you realize that you see every time i give

i get at least 10 eggs coming 10 times in through other means that are non-causal like it makes no sense like i gave here all of a sudden you get a new client all of a sudden you get this other thing happens all of a sudden you get a new opportunity all of a sudden something this is how you know it works just so it's so crazy how this actually works and you tried and you you know you know you can't it's clearly not causal but it's a synchronicity it comes together there is a tawakkul

try it and see how risk opens up to you so when you try it once and it happens you think wow i need to do this more and the worst is i tell you you know the hadith is that the best time like in the quran it says you know the self the eagles are brought face to face with miserliness you know and the hadith says that when you are you when you have the least you know the the person who is fearing fearing poverty that person gives

allah opens the flipkins that is true because he you know when you're rich it's easy to give you know to a rich person giving five pounds one pound is nothing but if the person only had ten pounds and he gave five or he gave one even allah but but i think you know this giving with the intention that i will get more this is also a corrupt practice we should give out any consequences absolutely 100 but you know there's also this thing that it's almost look

it's not in a it's not in a greed way but in a way of it's almost entertaining it's almost amusement like acha let's see how it's it's almost like you know like a person does something you're playing a game okay what comes next what comes behind this door and it's so exciting we find it so exciting so it's almost like okay i'm ju i wonder what allah will bring in my life now you know it's like it's like from a it's like a child getting excited it's not

from a greedy thing it's almost like we get excited because people are listening to us and most of you listen no you're absolutely right you're absolutely good of consciousness that in order you know someone if it is someone is giving in order to have something back maybe he's not getting it maybe that intention is corrupt sometimes you know intentions are corrupt so he will not get it so we should give it without any expectation then god almighty will give us you know in different ways we don't know true no shukran no thank you for saying that because it's true because maybe you know that

people listening and the way i'm saying it it could give that direction to shukran because it's not you see you don't give with a but what i was saying is when a person gives in it allah it's amazing that any allah immediately place the reward that you feel you feel that's bliss that you feel it because you know why you are helping someone and helping has that immediate this is why all these people when they make all this money what do they they say okay do humanitarian projects do something

why because after you've had all these other buzzes of the world you've realized that true joy is in helping people i mean maybe not all of them do it and but maybe some of them do it but the the point is that you're absolutely right the intention should always be that for the action itself that you are doing this to just help this is and it's not but there is a tawakkul a la that allah works in mysterious ways that sure if you are let's say i'm i do want to help but i'm worried like i you know i'm concerned

yeah you know i i need this money myself as well so you know i'm if i give this person this much you know i could spend it on my here that tawakkul comes in that look don't worry allah will give. allah because one time i remember that my friend needed something so i also also had that amount to survive that one what i did i completely gave it to him so what i what i experienced at you know

this level consciousness level that the amount the the you know the the feeling you get from that situation you cannot get from anywhere else that is the extreme call that you know you give away whatever you have and that is you can experience that level you cannot you know think of it so we need to we need to exercise like everything in this dunya it's like a skill like we need to build it a person doesn't just wake up one day and say have like extreme tawakkul try on small things do little things have to allah

and allow it to grow with you because it's reliance that you know it's okay yeah you know like allah will give and and and and then you start to realize it starts to grow with you just like a person's you know their faith grows this certainty level of certainty that they have they move towards more certainty but yeah all that and and the verse of the quran says

whosoever chooses god relies on god then surely allah is sufficient for them you know beautiful reminder to end this on so shukran allah bless you stay in touch and remember us in you to ask people that was zubaid ahmed from bahrain we've gone on forever so long guys let's wrap this up it's been awesome i really appreciate you guys uh really sticking it all this time hanging out listening watching sharing your thoughts and comments um uh foreign

let's you know what i let's not you know what i uh in all honesty let me remove that comment i let's not call names and stuff and i i do feel you know i look people did provoke me as well in the past but when i look back as well i'm not you know i i don't like either the way i reacted but hate it it is what it is and it was

what it was you know we we kind of walk the path we learn we develop we grow it was and i guess where we were allows us to be where we are so you know it's it's points of pivot are still instrumental in where you become yeah let's not i don't really yeah let's not do things like that don't call people names don't do these things and i know people may say well you know mostly you did a lot of that and i don't think i was right when i did it

um i think it was you know we i guess it was who i maybe you know who i was i'm not saying i don't think i think i was triggered to do so i reacted and i'm not saying i was the sole person at fault i'm sure all of us were at fault and there were some occasions where maybe no you know i wasn't provoked and i did and i did you know i somebody uh you made a comment that look oh i i saw it come up on my thing saying that oh you didn't apologize to that

i made that video because i made see when i made that video this was my point that i came to a realization that i'd wronged people and i feel some more than others obviously because many people they had provoked me they had and i had a principle that look if they picked on me publicly i would then it was kind of you know it was uh it was all fair game but i think it was you know in hindsight it was all toxic it didn't matter even if they picked on me initially even if they triggered me it was still toxic to my own soul to my own

consciousness it was you know at the end of the day it's not it's not the path you see it's distraction it's loud it's entertainment it's yeah it's not with the soul is nurtured it's not where consciousness can grow so i do feel that in those times you know whatever happened happened i you know and i guess these people i'm you know may have wronged and so you know somebody said on

this comment they said you never apologized in that video um [Music] and i you know i i thought about it and i thought i guess maybe it's because of the ego so yeah you know i mean i any i feel that people i'd wronged it was wrong of me to wrong them okay and i do apologize for that and i apologize and i you know i hope people can all grow okay because it's not you know

our egos are nothing man you know we're nothing you know we're just in this little not even a micro we're in a nano bubble you know one two people clap for us and we we get lost in a bubble this tiny imperceptible subatomic level that we need to grow up you know this we need to kind of show a path of humanity we need to show a path of love we need to grow on this path of consciousness we need to

develop it for ourselves connect to be able to hear intimations of the divine you know we need to these whispers we need to our intuition needs to have that channel clear so we can but it doesn't happen if we are drowned in toxicity in this kind of hatred in this radioactivity and this doesn't happen and people you know we disagree with one another but we you know people they in their own way

see people have their heart in a right place sometimes the outcome is just not conducive you know sometimes it may be causing more harm but they in their own way are they have sincerity it's just you know we don't see it and we need to maybe if we can speak with love we can guide every you know maybe we can come to a better understanding because the language of love honestly it

conquers what the language of hatred will never conquer never so yeah may allah look may allah bless us all may allah bless these people you know people i i say for myself you know people i've wronged people i've i'm allah bless them and i seriously mean this if people if i have wrong people i you know if somebody's if they are in touch or a middle person i would love to send these people a gift from me and i would say that i it's on me at least to host them to some food or hospitality

if they're ever passing if people are passing by this city and it doesn't mean that they have to meet me and it doesn't mean that they have to put up with me but at least it's not the one that i you know i can i should at least post them to some food and hospitality just and it's nothing to do with them it's you know it's yeah it's a personal kind of growth but guys let's wrap this up okay those of you that want to reach out uh instagram otherwise you're more than

welcome on patreon take very good care of yourselves people you've been awesome salaam alaihi alaykum