Why don't sunni imams transmit from Imam Jafar? | Mufti Abu Layth

can you talk about imam jafar sadiq and his relationship with abu hanifa and imam malik right i don't know what to i think this is my theory [Laughter] i think that

imam jafar or imam muhammad al-baqir all the other imams of the the the albeit i think for the most part if not not necessarily i'm not saying it has to be verbatim or spot on symmetrical but i feel for the most part they were

you know as the shia claim of them so i feel that you see because what it is is these figures well that you have you know whether it's going to be zayn or abidine or whether it's going to be all of these great imams that from the from that you know from the early line of the twelve imams that the shia have now up until jaffra sadiq they will be very highly praised by the sunni scholars as well after that the sunni scholars still claim to accept them but don't really mention them and they ain't that well

known after that in the sunni sources they aren't i mean when i say that i don't mean you can't find it but i mean for the common people they're not that well known uh up until imam jaffar they are well known so they're as well known as sunni self scholars so somebody who's heard of sufyana thodi has definitely heard of you know muhammad al-baqir or did you get that but after that the imams that will come after whether it will be muslim or the imams i suppose that's in in that other or in the other way as well in the ismail uh sense as well

they're not as well known but the question isn't that the question is that sunni orthodoxy claims that these imams were nothing uh like the shia claim of them so they feel that the shia make a claim that they were obviously they were shia that they were uh you know they believed in this imam structure they believed in this kind of not a secrecy but a special uh a select

kind of transmission through the al just for the family and and for people related a kind of almost like a secret society coming down this secret order now the sunnis deny all of that and say that this is they say it's nonsense and it's propaganda made up by the shia i actually think that it's not i think that even if they're not a hundred percent what some of what the shia are claiming them to have been and said but they are for the most part that

then they are sunni um that's what i would feel and this is the reason why imams from the salaf of the sunnah like imam malik imam abu hanifa all these people even though they were on very good terms with them very respectful with them they don't really transmit anything from them because i think it would have caused too much of a it would have just caused a political you know kind of a storm for them because if if because these because it would have been known in society that

these people had those views that's in my view the reason why imam malik doesn't transmit views from uh imam jaffar it's the reason why uh imam abu hanifa doesn't transmit from them or other people but that said i think in that day and age these you see the differences were there but there wasn't this kind of um hatred or anything the way it is today i mean there was hatred with other people who were proper fanatics and extremists but i don't believe the imams like imam jaffar were

at all like that um hence they were with people like imam malik and these people and imam abu hanifa and other other kind of sunni imams they would teach them mingle with them you know be close to them on occasion upon occasion so uh they obviously wouldn't have felt these people are cafes or betrayers of the you know but they just to themselves probably felt that we've got this mission which is our mission and yeah and i think sunnis won't accept that because if they do it extends legitimacy to some of the shia

claims that's my uh take on it i don't think it makes in my perspective i don't think it makes the the shia claim more authentic than it or then you know it doesn't make the arguments it doesn't change them um to me they're still what they are but i i i mean i don't think by trying to cover something we can yeah we can somehow destroy the theological beliefs created by the shia so that yeah that's my kind of two pence

on it i don't know i don't know so somebody said imam malik and hanifa will learn its students from mom jaffa what are you on about you yeah i know i you see the question [Laughter] this is where i'm just blabbering on and nobody's gotten you see what do they transmit from them they don't transmit from them the question is what was it that they learned from them

we don't know because they don't tell us so one view is okay one super mystical view is like saying that oh they used to take spirituality from them i mean i find that to be just like okay fair enough but you know it's a bit of a blag but okay you know they take some spirituality fair enough as in you like being in the company of that's fine but to say you know you take spirituality from someone i don't know what that even means okay so but i definitely feel it's a black so

they were close to them i think that they did used to attend their circles where they taught generally about islam but i feel the bulk of the da'wah of those imams of albeit would reflect to a great part the shia dawa so because these scholars were not shi'a like malik and they would still maybe attend those circles for the overall kind of stuff that they're saying and the company keeping the company of the person and so on but they wouldn't would not teach that

further because they didn't agree with it and they wouldn't because there's nothing they transmit really from these imams to other to their broader sunni circle so sunnis just say oh that's because they learned only spirituality which you can't profess which is an absurd argument the other thing is that it's because it was shia stuff so i don't know that's it's it is what it is so