Mindtrap w/ Mufti Abu Layth 02 [Cults, Criticism & Culture]

well hamdulillah aquifer was salat WA Salam Allahu Liman Mustafa hey buddy Ladino 200 maumee Hotel method will be but salam ala allah o allah o son become more happen people we are here today with an esteemed guest we're gonna bring him on just shortly let me just give you a little introduction to today's guests gonna it's a it's an important yet

casual conversation and dialogue on crucial matters it's free-flowing people our guest is an erudite imam all the way from Illinois us people Imam must have Allahu Akbar those of you that can just see this is I've just put a photograph thank

you for having me Mufti and said I'm Arnie come to the viewers we've got a friend might as well Mars some so used to just saying Mars all the time I'll be actually having him on tomorrow night he's also a very keen no stars really in his own right very keen student of

knowledge quite mischievous in other ways as well let me just I'm just moving some of these people we is live yes yes we are that's my keyboard they're worried people this is not no hanky-panky computer this is my this one professional you know this money for work so people will be you can post in questions as you please I'm just there is a facebook facebook chat is live as well today I can see it it's coming in

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us so people just almost with you conversation have you shared it to you or I can share it to your page if you like or you sharing it to your page I can show you later on if it's gonna be out absolutely fine or you can sure I'll share it right now share to a page no actually I can't do right now have to do it later on it's not allowing me to pick up your page for some reason it's probably you've probably got me

unblocked that's why it's like just can't stand my purple jewel Bowman people this as you can see oh there is on a friend's timeline right so folks as you can see this this software right there you can see the chat section without the volume I'm not sure if you saw it Imams up on your Facebook page

you think I don't know this stuff this is technology that's going down here prop exactly minecraft people welcome to the minecraft vamos a empezar let us begin so people if you want to post some questions you can do if you want to any we'll try and take in certain questions as well but I did want to introduce you all to this young thriving Imam that we've got right here let me just bring

him right up for sure for sure my name is mother Mahmoud born and raised in Toronto Canada oh you got me hostage and I haven't come out in lame at this level so I did my schooling and

everything in in Toronto Canada and did my primary Islamic studies my head floor and the Tatooine door Brian here as well under my father in Canada and then I went to South Africa rooms acadia for higher studies after returning I did some you know formal Imam education or a practical education in in the u.s. I served in Canada so basically training under any man who's actually doing good work in his community before actually

stepping into any you know community on my own if you know what I'm saying so you know I sort of referred to certain local Imams in Toronto for that and certain the Imams in the US they helped me out you know introduced me to common challenges how to you know how to basically talk to the youth not chase them away and whatnot which is unfortunately the situation many at

times and between Canada and the US I work as a program manager and in Director of Religious Affairs in Peoria and I work with newcomers and in to Canada and BC which is a British Academy item now I'm in quarantine in Canada in my toronto home because of the Volcarona

virus I'm in quarantine no no Mufti basically I had to drive to cross the border from America or to Canada so basically anybody coming into the country either via air or car they basically have to be on a lockdown for 14 strict days the place that they were going to go so you know I'm in lockdown in my family's home or a quarantine I should say and my family's

home in Toronto because of that stipulated law by the government right just checking with people if the audio is it's problematic some people saying the audio is there's some problems there it's to form were you calling me ma'am salmon so it's just checking guests

Skype properties you know this people I'm just acting like I'm some kind of like I know what I'm talking about I'm doing here I've got no idea what I'm actually doing hello hello so it's got my mic on

oh my mic is actually very low baa

fixing problems must be picking now now you know okay what if I block that now just focus on my mmm you know I feel like I'm kind of in like one of those super hackers but really I'm just totally confused and lost am I still like let me check is it any better people any better any better

just drop me a message I don't know if it's just for the viewers I can hear you fine not my sight all right people can you guys can you hear me is it perfect somebody saying it's perfect right Allah Akbar people you sound perfect chicken and chicken and yeah yeah thought you know this is this is this is your inner perfection that is that you're projecting out both of you should use headphones I know we should but wasn't my not working his weren't working so that's something that's

another teething issue that we got a we got to work on but cool Imams up we use life so yes right now you're in Canada but you're still following the quarantine you're working in Illinois us yeah I'm working in Illinois even now I'm working remotely while being in quarantine here somebody just said well cut him some slack

sugar yeah we can't all be generation Z like 15 years old but so Imams up to what's what's coming down in the states man what's what's the current what's the status quo there's a lot of questions I've got as well and things I'd like to discuss but currently first or beginning with this crisis what's it like on the ground over there man what what's going down yeah so in terms of my community everyone's on lockdown you know people

are laid off of work masajid are closed but once again some people are causing problems both in Canada and the US with regards to secretly opening or keeping the masajid open and unfortunately that's taken a toll on the general some must chips are you know basically secretly keeping themselves open after you don't having warnings from MPs a lot of the messages you know for some reason they just can't handle the rules

you know so they open up secretly I know there was a big news article here in Canada about one message in being forcefully open against their Imams wish and they were actually taking fatale from New Delhi like I think some hardcore definitely you know Marquez with regards to keeping their massage it open and I don't know it's just creating a bad image of Islam and in that sector our Masjid in Peoria is being shut down

for a while but yeah the numbers in America are rising in terms of the coal coronavirus scene I think they're beating China in terms of how they're rising well and I could have figured that all because a lot of these Americans they're not taking these rules seriously you know they're just you know they closed them off from the malls or the malls then they're chilling out the super centers they closed them off from restaurants so they're buying a whole area so I just don't know what's going

on to be honest he did announce that people laughed it is laughable I don't think that's realistically going to happen because of the rising numbers so I'm sort of baffled by that whole scene yeah well local news a lot of them are groups I'm on there they're fighting about praying

for jhamora should you pray though at home or [ __ ] in the Muslim kind of reaction strop responsible just before that you know this hydroxychloroquine drug has that come into circulation in the states I don't believe so no not as yet okay now this thing that you're saying I'm sorry I mean a lot of I'm seeing things I'm not really in a lot of it's taking a move T sorry before I forget it's actually taking a toll a lot of the you know youth Muslim leaders who

are connected with Imams their shutters they're sort of like bashing the UK Imams where you're from you know for the their response and now they're actually going on to the local event so when you saying their response is like oh you know we should still keep the message it's open for jhamora and we can at least have like for example in in Canada there was this mandate by the government that you can congregate under 50 in an area so people are like well we can you know play with those rules and congregate by I believe that was more

for you know social services aspects if I'm correct but there is this constant back-and-forth in certain animal groups that I see you know them bickering about trains Lahore or tomorrow and whatnot when you know different time alchemy or different order my organizations have already clarified the matter but I don't know if it's just for the sake of bickering or if it's for the sake of ego or if just for academic talk if it's for academic talk I understand but if it's for the sake of bickering then that's

actually taking a negative toll on on the young population and young scholars to be honest as well we're language when you say a lot of people from over they were criticizing so I can open up the poster of that exact youth leader I believe it was with regards to keeping massage and open by certain segments of I don't know the Dillman D or the very community there or the arguing that was taking place in between them and it was being publicized

well aware them I'm not sure exactly but I saw a 9z post by one of the of the saying we should believing

the message it's open despite literally pissing some people are it's not what the Imams or people in the states are doing they are saying we should leave the mustards open so it depends where it depends which circle you're talking to but I'm saying the majority of the Imams in our region they're rational in this regard even like those who are considered hardcore have sort of calm down and when when the lockdown was announced they basically just you know send out

emails to their communities and messages that you know we're going to shut down my session three or three years at home right those are just tuning in on Facebook I see your comments right here Claire Robbins Ehrlich Terran and Adam become all of you and likewise on YouTube you can post any decent comments avoid any unnecessary kind of trolling of one another as well please otherwise you will be blocked block people right so okay we're just speaking about this coronavirus situation and the states and

the UK actually said Mufti that you know these some of the senior scholars they actually hate to see The Young Ones or the young graduates going against their hardcore way of preaching we're hardcore opinions opinions that don't make sense and then you're actually deemed a misguidance you know for society how how do young scholars how should they deal with that you know it's such a turn-off coming from people and will actually taught you or actually you know I should say loved you when some kinda thing I

mean something you'll personally experiencing because of actually personally experiencing I know you know a few weeks back you spoke about that whole dream with regards to the coronavirus in your team asana I don't know any other scholar who spoke about that personally I wrote an article about it not taking his name and I was actually Bashford by certain scholars I think scholarship is becoming more

emotional than rational and 3ds sad to see like one person actually responded to my article which I literally dissected this whole situation academically somebody responded by saying that your article or your conclusion goes against the Quran in the Quran Allah has mentioned that a specific entity could be a punishment or it could be you no mercy I actually couldn't recall any verse in that regard well basically in the context of you know speaking about the whole

coronavirus situation I said into Anamika tabula you know bringing me that that verse I was baffled today most evil in a full honesty I was baffled that people are ready to make if Narada Caramella to this for the sake of saving the behinds of their ships and then I actually you know put a message out in that specific group saying that messiahs let this be a lesson for one and all this is the extent that we could go to in relation to blind reverence and irrational occultism I actually wrote

that down there and until now this person hasn't come up with an adequate response I mean is this thing causing a kind of backlash for the work you're doing is it kind of causing difficulties as your position as an imam is it causing is it comprar is it potentially even compromising because i know when you're part of a tradition when you're part of a particular group you there's an infrastructure in place like so for example as an imam you may go as a herpe particular Masjid you may go to a certain give a deliver a

speech house classes it's for sure so you're part out of many many of the circles that you were welcomed and once upon a time because of this you know BS so to speak another you know among my seniors you know I should just leave it to that said you're going against this entire fraternity and you're disrespecting a certain you know I don't want to mention the cult or you know you're disrespecting your whole basically legacy of scholarship and I was so turned down by that people are not ready to tolerate you know

differences in opinion forgettable of differences an opinion people are not ready to tolerate the truth that's what's happening multi even when this whole astonishing thing came out when you made those whole you know memes and you know the poison I was shocked I was shocked at the scholarship in my circle actually condoning that right praising it by bringing happy the hadees like the hadith of hoddan and using it to justify it I think just

having my mentor versus they you know they gave me a chance to put an article up against that as well on their platforms and you're the only other scholar who I heard speaking of all these people are bashing their heads with regards to this whole coronavirus issue but in my opinion that is a bigger virus in terms of you know all the host spirituality and the Deen the youth are actually feeding off of this this type of you know BS if you're saying you know this is the truth now actually wrote in that article by the way that if certain preachers consume poison and the youth

[ __ ] them in their path and lives are taken such creatures should be taken to task of course at a legal level nobody spoke nobody spoke annoyed at me people are bashing their heads with regards to paddy mesial rulings about the whole corona virus but nobody speaks about this you know this type of you know

sorry how did you deal with for example in the change that you I know I asked you earlier the whole you know we all go through a change the more we learn how do your teachers deal with that you know so to speak the reason why I'm saying teachers is because I'm going through something similar of that sort where sort of the teachers are actually the ones bashing me pretty good in in my sense it may have been slightly different in you see I had a slightly diverse learning so I did go

I studied initially in Damascus in Syria then I studied in in Pakistan in Islamabad I studied in in Karachi the--when the modalities I also had a diversity of teachers bring me teaches the open the motherís as well I even did something in an LED that said the bulk of my Pakistan motherís are the whole Allah meeya and the mufti Coast was in a deal Bernie mother sir but when I returned here we see because you have to remember I came back we're talking around 2005 things like social media weren't really up and

running in that sense we never really had a close bond like I never had apart from maybe if somebody said something like I might say you know extend my salons extend my wishes to well wishes you know to do society there but we weren't really in touch in the sense that the you know like the ships are calling me asking me what are you up to stuff like this we never had that kind of bond now in our work groups but not exactly I mean so that kind of gave me a sense of freedom in that sense but that

said to be honest even when people have told me that look let's say you these are something that somebody spoken to these societies about you that they've that these are your kind of opinions these are the kind of things that you believe in that you you know you do and stuff like this what are your thoughts about it it doesn't bother me if they are going to be disappointed in me it doesn't bother me if they're going to think you know oh my god you know come probably you know he's gone astray he's

born mobile he possibly dari Manmatha shallow Turkish be dari Carthage oh good because they cut his trims is beer the way seas can I have gone beyond ah you see um plus I know you're still you know much huger than me during these years there was a time where I was very concerned about the opinions of others and maybe it's an age thing a maturity thing maybe just experience maybe you just go through so much of it it doesn't bother me like I think you know drunk like and what like if you think about if you want to maintain links maintain

links if you don't know you know it's not at the end of it I tell you you know we had a link up here a jam yamanori a kind of link up after just last year the mufti serves mostly names of some chef for honk and came over and and and he he specifically did ask me oh I want you to kind of attend and he's definitely by now they're very familiar they've heard of what I'm up to my kind of use my kind of niche audience or whatever is my platforms and he insisted that I come and he was very

kind of you know very kind of understanding chill del we even he we even did a small kind of interview thing he asked me to do with him and now as opposed to the other people so we're interesting that look even if you I'm just saying I know people like Chevron and musty name are quite open-minded compared to other people but my point is even you see if you persevere on what you have to do people will come round anyway when the time comes you know I'm sure for sure my point was even if they don't so what

like I'm not going to you know I was thinking about this Imams up I tell you that I was thinking that imaginary form and I was thinking about this you know I've now that I've I've started this kind of podcasting I've I sent some gas is to some people as well that you normally kind of chat with me Imams things like this and I said oh by the way let me know if you guys want to kind of jump on we'll have discussions we'll do this and a few of them said you know they'd love to chat with me generally they're you know they want to

like me generally your chat to me but they said there's no way they could do something in public because it it would affect them yeah it would kind of the following or not they for not that they've got a huge following or anything they haven't but in the sense that the associations the local Imams would you know that fraternity would clamp down on them and they too frightened and they can't take the slack and I was just thinking I mean I said to them that's cool there's no problem there's so many people are you know I've got to kind of speak to I was just saying it as a gesture but my point is what I was thinking about was look at this time this global calamity and this many people are dying yeah yeah well they're

becoming seriously ill and on the ball on the verge of death now imagine you know Lhasa Mahalo hold on Augusta people are to die would you put yourself at that position if that is you about to now maybe your time in this world is limited would you well how would you feel that you spent a life cowled in and kind of in cavities not even being able to express yourself because you were worried about the opinions of others who truly do not even care about you sure you know 100 percent like it would be

one of the greatest regrets in life to have thought that you know what you're basically trying to live under somebody else's shadow we're absolutely and you know something that they have been studies there was an I believe it was in Australia there was a study done on people in palliative care who into terminally ill that very few weeks and months left to live and somebody had done a study of several of these people and the top five greatest regrets they kind of they kind of factored them in into the top five what these people regretted I'm number one

what made it to number one in this list of people who are now had face to face with a certain death within weeks due to some illness number one people wallahi was that was that they regret not living a life true to themselves well you know now when they've reached this stage you know this final curtain they thought that a lot like this is non-misleading regardless of faith they thought that if only I lived their life more true to myself you know I spent my

life so worried about what people are gonna think about me that I never even got to live it and now it's too late you know like at this and I think well like I commend you and I encourage you to you know carry on with even if it means you know in this way that you're kind of facing criticism by your own by your fraternity kind of trying to zero in on you place pressure you know on you and things like these I would say you know as a losses you know let's say we have faith you are meant to be late semester

people have Iman my stomache perseverance because these people you know even if you have the even if you have the kind of goodness let's say support what does that actually mean what does it mean in the real world but some kind of love you know what the problem is they it hasn't happened to me as of yet it is happening at a certain level they basically bar you off from people who affiliate with you people who connect with you people you know say it

says they open the circle they say well you know this person goes against they open the opinions actually a very funny movie I was not having a talk with one of the young scholars from England one of my friends who you know lives near I think we're even if somewhere he also married into a Canadian family so he's in Canada I was talking to them and saying that what's the beef that people have with Mafia Munez is it his what is considered to be death on with that for example the issue of the second coming right that's an example [Music] just to just to be sure we're spending

and co branch off and that no Morty it's so sad how people have thrown statements of gopher in that regard and statements and then I told him what if they were to do a research about some of their very own our very own Dale Bundy scholars like say more than a obey the law Cindy by the way read his entire book yeah why do they not pick on modern or middle

love Cindy and why do they pick on say move to police so basically what we came down to was it's the way mostly a bullet looks if you look like Cindy then they would they were they would not be able to criticize him or whatever but speaking about this whole tech fears phenomena I remember as a young student coming back from some [Music] familiar tech field tech fear means declaring somebody a cafe where people

say such and such as a cafe they call that to convene in our my upbringing was probably very different to yours possibly where I was grounded into Dean II studies since or religious studies since a young age my father himself came on low as a prominent body of Toronto so when I came back for as a student Mufti I remember that a certain segment of scholars who I was affiliating with back

in those days they were actually making tech finish or almost making tech fear of one of my mentors make use of but at school at that time along with other scholars introduce the global phenomena for the sake of ease you know in terms of more inciting than cool global sighting phenomena for the sake of ease for the people of Canada I remember that's how intolerant things were and then so kind of what happens is like just after a few years people fall into that same thing the same thing that they were about to make takfeer of

people embrace it so where did all your tech feeding our own go you know what I'm saying and this is so common make we making tech fear of people very easily who disagree with your opinion although there's some muscles for that opinion found the a sort of their opinion found in the deal so this is a very common or this is this is a situation which is actually harming Islamic scholarship a lot as well and you know it's harming Islamic scholarship to such extent that you look at just Chicago right a nearby city where I work near to Peoria

statistics shows that out of you know because because of all this Vickery of course it it transcends into the community people don't understand become confused the Dean of these men or you know Islamic teachings and confusion eventually leads them to leaving the Dean great so in Chicago and Chicago itself where I forget the exact statistics either the US or or Chicago out of every four Muslims one is an ex-muslim so this is actually documented

now sorry and I think it goes back to scholarship of however irresponsible we are about our words and our treatment of one another so

so me personally I'm a very hopeful person and maybe my hope is irrational but I basically you know if you are thinking realistically based on the statistics my per own personal statistics of the this you know scholarly circles that I'm and if such attitude towards the Dean continuous

I'll just repeat the question what I said I think that's because sorry as I'd switch through the slides on the vodka on the broadcasting it the mic went off so what I was asking was because do you see much hope much optimism do you see any optimism you see some optimism with regards to the future of ulema of students of knowledge within the states within Canada because we were discussing this yesterday as it was and now you know over over to where you are what do you see on the ground because you're quite young you've recently graduated

you've got a lot of friends who are on a similar kind of platform to you what do you think so in that regard firstly I should say it's time for the young scholars to stop living in idolizes stop living and idolizing others come out of that forceful circle understand the reality once again I'm very optimistic but based on the realities that I'm seeing a lot of people are being sort of turned away from the you know they're the religious scholarship either because

they're not tolerant of you know different opinions so for example in the u.s. our communities are very diverse I think it's very difficult for me to stay in Peoria Illinois and the Aster Tennessee if you know what I'm saying often there's a need to compromise there's a big need actually to compromise and if that compromising is not tolerated by say you know after strict sector of Muslim scholarship I think it causes a lot of imbalances in different communities but going back to

your question I see hope from the young scholarship who sort of drifted off from this forceful idolizing or idealization I see hope from some of my colleagues in that regard a lot of them actually are doing great work with their communities but in terms of the majority I'm really hesitant to say yes there is hope I really hasn't acted you know what you said earlier on about you felt that look if you disagree with people you disagree with your own kind of that fraternity

what happens is they teach they advocate to boycott you but what I wanted to say just just to you know just my thoughts on that to you chef is that look yes they will attempt to kind of people because unfortunately religion generally speaking with a capital R and Islam is no exception has been institutionalized a lot of it is about but I'm just saying because it is and a lot of it is to do with power a

lot of it is to generate control therefore people will unfortunately if they see you jeopardizing or questioning their control they will kind of they will try to knock your legs out from underneath you because the point is they don't want you rising or jeopardizing their power in the situation as I mentioned to you earlier move to even if that contradicts your honor this is never been about the poor this is nothing mean about Iman or Islam it is has been unquestionably about power now yes of course because that is ultimately power to that

whoever you know whoever runs the cult whoever runs it even if he has an element of sincerity I'm not saying he doesn't but it is there are underlying power structures power dynamics are clay yeah if these but what I want to say to you was that you know where people do cut these they kind of block off these roads I a few years ago a good few years ago found myself at a crossroad yeah now people had at the time they had said to me that look so going back to like maybe the year 2010 2011 and moved

forward to about 2014 15 even between that gap I was very keen on networking so you know what we spoke earlier on and I said I've traveled abroad I went to close to where you were st. Louis I went there on two occasions I participated in the University lectures and your lectures I was very keen in networking in kind of traveling and doing this stuff in trying to kind of build these bridges with these autumn ah I travelled to Europe on several occasions Spain lectured their Belgium two occasions I went to the Netherlands I went to within the UK I was going

now this is before even though I had Facebook at some of that time beginning 2012 but I was still building on the Facebook situation now yeah my point is that I came to a crossroad where a lot of people said to me a few people said to me that look Musti we want to get you more and more involved we're happy with that but we're gonna be real with you that you've got to give on some of these things you've got a compromise on one your dress now when I used to go to these places I know used to go like this in a t-shirt I used to go in a suit so some of them said could

you put a bra beyond at least that goes some people or even if you don't could you slightly grow out the beard on the side yeah or they they said to me that like what you you've got to kind of not crack jokes and not these things and basically you've got to compromise on your outlook and a bit on you the way you dress and the way you and the way you behave now if you're prepared to do that we will open up more and more of these platforms for you now I thought well ye I seriously at that time this is probably going about six

years back I I really thought about it for a period of time because I at that time was so keen in getting healthy but I'm networking and spreading what I had to say but then you know I thought in the end that look if I do what they're saying then I felt that I felt kind of violated in code because this because this is me at the end of the day and I'm having to pretend to be somebody just so I get like they give me this version now

I declined those offers there were a few key kind of organizations and off people that were kind of saying this to me now I declined it and said look you know I am it is how it is like I am like this and I'm very keen on kind of coordinating with you but I am you know I'm not gonna change I'm not gonna put a COPI on I'm not gonna kind of grow out my beard I'm not gonna change modify my kind of behavior and stuff like these all kind of calm down on my opinions I'm not gonna do that sure well llahi even though at the time I thought to myself

damn so those opportunities kind of went in time to come the the platform that I found on social media the people that I did find the audience or people who I could actually help him benefit witty words whoever they were they were genuine and it was built from bottom up it wasn't handed to me by a sect or denomination sure and these people then they allow like as you develop and grown you have nobody to kind of like I don't to think oh I have to try and please

this person or this committee or this scholar all this I just have to make sure that the argument is compelling to me this is what I want to say to you you know sheriff that look even if it is bothersome even if it is quite crippling at this stage in time to come you will be so glad so glad that the people that you come from that what you built as an effort was you you know like yeah as what is it me a killer each a lot a Johnny Damon's Elma girl you know Lok Satta take a comment that this carve on that you're gonna have this kind of Caravan is something

sincere not to be disheartened in any Journal you took your advice to her earlier when I reached out to you as well you spoke similar words to me and I'm sort of building on that you know a lot of people unconditionally appreciate you and you're sincere even if you go against the norm possibly or what is perceived to be the norm you know it's it's good to see people who have some

cojones in that sense to kind of to be able to stand up against the tide against the current you know like I speak to people on all too often I find them lacking substance and probably being bashed right now on on these cruises just speaking this is what I'm saying and people somebody had asked a question what is what does that mean so what did that mean about being true to

yourself what it meant was not having to put you see we have all kinds of concerns imagine it's a hierarchy people we've got all kinds of concern and you've got the top the main focus now you've got like what you'll find we will think your friends will think what people will think what people on Facebook will think well social media will thing but these things should and as a human being you really not maybe on your list if it is it should be right at the bottom the main thing is you what you believe to be true you can live my like you're not worried

you're not kind of like so how like you're not such so cowdung so kind of terrified by other people that you have to live a fake life that's what I mean I don't mean like kind of having to curb certain things in we have social appropriation I'm not against that like obviously you know if my parents were here I'm not gonna be kind of swearing I'm not gonna be I'm gonna be you know much more respectful if I was with my mates I'll be much more relaxed if I'm around my children I'll be slightly different if I'm around work I'll be slightly different I don't mean social

appropriation I mean that you'll pretending to be somebody that even you deep down is not happy with yeah that's that's just innocence personal hypocrisy I guess I want to ask you know anything about what am i speaking about all these kind of earlier on prior to that the kind of global calamity that's going on and how orlimar as a people are either you know either helping or failing people or whatever they doing and we mentioned about some that are still

insisting on going back to the musty I'm not sure if you've heard I've seen today quite a few messages and yesterday of people saying things like okay what we're going to do is we're going to we're going we're going to whether we blast it or not but we're going to on the speaker's call out the Athan we're going to do it at homes some messages saying after Maghrib you can do seven add-ons every day summer masjid said we're going to you an add on at a particular time not a salat I'm at a radicular time of the day

in response to coronavirus what on earth is this okay right I want your thoughts on this one is is this a new cure that we've come across for corona have you come across these messages by the way there was there was actually a time there was actually a talk of that happening in Canada

in Calgary

what if the coronavirus thinks because it's basically TV they serve so basically when you know situations occurred in the time of the profits on a Lhari cinema where they had to pray in their homes you know the event was called after the high and in hyeyeon infini it was said you know some do people you take home pray in your homes I think they took they took sort of that hadith out of confidence and then they applied it to the coronavirus by saying well you know just this whole

as an phenomena just do it from your homes I don't know how that happened it was laughed at for sure among the more rational sort of Imam groups in the prophet's time some people would have got like the Prophet would have gone to the Masjid you have to remember the prophets house was next door to the Masjid yeah now the Prophet would have gone to the Masjid maybe one person would have turned up but it was raining now the prophet sallallaahu live Salam would have said you know what tell

people they don't need to come so the person calling the other and would have said because how else would he notify them so in the athan he said I sorry not in the athan sorry not in the event but alongside or before and he would have announced generally allow Sun roof theory aleikum that pray in your place is your you know in your homes or wherever you are now this is simply over rain which isn't so much of a big deal one could argue but this is just simply the problem what this didn't mean is that everybody must go to the Masjid to do a learn in all kind of outbreaks or all kind of

scenarios and they fought help you know like the rich it wasn't meant to become a new ritual per se so the people are perceiving so I mean people you know now this talk about this hatch being cancelled yeah which most likely it will be have you seen much of a reaction to this I mean people getting very emotional saying this is the end of the world now because Hajj is being cancelled I don't know if you've seen any of this will come across it okay I

have seen many like I'm sure there's videos out there as well where people are showing their emotions but I I think they make history when hydros cancels multiple times some are actually making entire series on healthy Amma is coming because Hajj is pinging cancelled in 2020 which friend swing circles you know what's fascinating what many people don't know and I've briefly mentioned this before is that they they will say this is just one example there was a sect known as the core amita which is named after somebody called Hamden per

month now he was an Ismaili Shia they have their disagreements within this Maya but he disagreed with the other is my Ilya from North Africa and the father means and they set their own dynasty now they he's around the 300 his remark around that kind of time so about three hundred years after the Prophet now during the year if I recall I think it was the Year 317 in 317 he jury he attacks they attack Makkah and Madinah now Makkah especially and they they land one day before Hajj and people are on

Yama tamiya they are in they are in Mina and getting ready for our upon the next day and what he attacks and they just kill people because according to his interpretation Hajj was a pagan ritual so they did not believe that people that were doing Hydra doing a good thing so they ransacked obviously killed several they say some reports say thirty thousand whatever they killed thousands of people they went to the Kaaba they broke down the door stole the door of the camera

they say that they threw so many bodies in the well of Zamzam that it blocked it up and they held control of these regions and reigned and kind of fear throughout this week they stole the whole of they stole the black stone by the way and they took it back to him which is still in modern-day Saudi Arabia and that was the kind of capital bottom and they were trying to set up a a parallel pilgrimage thing but it didn't work out a lot of people didn't follow it however for up until I believe

it was 3:39 hit early that I believe it was about that but it was over about 20 to 22 years the black stone was not returned and hatch had seized like absolutely rien canceled they had said anybody who go show you they will they will kill him because they saw it as a pagan kind of ritual so over two decades if not an in the centuries that came afterwards there were other dangers and people as well fifty thousand dinars from the Abbasi Calif and eventually they took a threat from the Father made kind of ruler who

said that you know it was by the way the person have taken in his name was Abu Taha alchun nabi and he was one of the main kind of care Amita people so they told him that up ahead o Jahnavi that if you don't return this I believe it was a hacking become real El Fattah me from from Egypt who said to him who's also his Miley who said if you don't return this black stone we're gonna bring a an army and deal with you once and for all with with your kind of little Empire that you've got so he eventually returns

it and he returns it with a quote by trying to say huh and he says okay will return me so he takes it back and he says aha now who before Allah what is that now who be machete that we we took this by the might of Allah we return it by his will and it's just II thought chiller dialogue or throw dialogue and this guy is ruthless I mean he you know when he did ransack the Kaaba Makkah and he took it over he he announced actually

one of the he had like this poem where he announced that Anabella he will be lucky Anna that you know he's an honorable I he will be learn he and I yes local Hulk was me him Anna but that was a reason why Allah and Allah is like I mean depends how you want to understand but whether Allah is affirming me or however whether he is by me but he says Allah creates creation and I destroy them so this is that you know the thing is my point is that's a tragic pop piece of the past yet surprisingly he set up

one of the first socialist states in recent history the way that the state would would give debts they would take up loans they would repay them the state would provide property the state would provide rationing the state would provide marriages for people I mean there's a huge contradiction in this personality of people like Abu Talha dodging abuse are either Janabi but my point is the tragedy aside this thought that this is a sign of the hour because it's never happened before this will kind of melodrama I mean it's it's it's just because we don't were not

acquainted with our own history for sure I mean let's this be quite a few people are asking about my trap my trap yes this is a dialogue show people it's to deal with difficult dialogues and crucial conversations that are out they are not needed to be hard so yes it is a new show that I'm doing so if you do have thoughts on it if you have certain things that I need to talk about do kind of message me about them but yeah so I mean uh people do a

question for you yeah go for it - go for it mom stop far away after seeing your you know your fatwa and abortion okay so you know of course I may disagree with this is a really hot topic especially in America yeah I mean regardless of religion the church of course I may have my disagreements

with you with all honor just to give some perspective to your offense way inshallah should it be consensual like should their make the consent of both parties or for example you know how it happens sort of in our context where the sisters sort of just go to the abortion clinics I understand there's a whole human rights component attached to that

I'm not speaking in that regard I'm just saying it's remedy based on what you said should should she talk to her husband beforehand or certain context and I think entire families were hurt in that regard when there was no need to be hurt should that should that come aspect be their most easy I definitely believe so I think that these are decisions which you know it's interesting because

I do believe in the woman having a cause I I'm not sure how the Americans narrative is kind of phrased and exactly just in case I kind of get it wrong but I do believe it's her body her choice yeah sure so I I definitely do support that that you know people that there is a freedom in that I know some people are very anti-abortion i personally am not in that sense at all like that I feel that it's up to the individual it's up to the woman who's carrying the carrying the child that gets to make that

decision but however I feel it is an important ingredient an element in that equation is that if this is an abortion from a relationship I mean like it could be an abortion from a one-night stand it could be an ocean from something else it could be that the woman isn't really in a relationship with the guy you know maybe she just knows him and they've just she's got pregnant you know that like like like he does he accidentally he tripped now my point is that if if this

if it is from a relationship then I feel that that conversation it is is an obligation a moral obligation an ethical obligation which I feel is endorsed by Islam as an Islamic obligation that a conversation should be had then they should like there should be some kind of dialogue now they could I understand this would give rise to the other question that what is this a disagreement Journal husband says you must have it and she says I don't want him or vice versa yeah you see that's a

tricky one and I that said I I would have to kind of eventually kind of preponderate on the side with it is her body and although I mean as a man I could understand I was in that situation be very hurt if I did want something like let's say I did want a family I did want a child and the woman said no no but yet from a rational person an emotional perspective I totally get that and I feel that it's only fair that there is a crucial participation of of kind of opinion but who not but then if

it comes to a clash where only one gets to have it you can't go both ways you can't be like well you know you're gonna get it and you can get it get it so in that sense I would feel she preponderance as in it is ultimately gonna be her choice but I feel that we these scenarios with this no conversations being had like a woman just like she's she just kills has the emotions you know it's just later on this is just information being told I feel that's kind of very unfair and I feel that if the way that could be made fear if I'm gonna say that

is there should be a caveat then if that's how people are going to treat it then it should be that if the child is going to be hard like they are going to have the child then the father has the right for complete abandonment and no kind of benefits and no he doesn't have to pay and contribute like what I'm trying to say is if you're if it's the father's opinion categorically doesn't even count then fine but then they should also be that option that you know the father would have the right to say well I don't want to be a part of this

and and disappear and not have to contribute financially I'm just saying what I'm trying to say is I know that that's not something that I'm opting for is a good thing by the way but what I'm trying to say is if we're going down this road down this rabbit hole then that should also be the that's what I'm trying to say I just said my money my choice he's like well if I chose not to

buy protection in this regard I don't think there's any legal ramifications in place right so if say the woman goes without the consent or without the agreement of her husband to have an abortion I don't think she can legally be taken to task I mean this whole thing is very kind of this whole realm of sex

stuff on legality is a very daunting kind of arena in in this state India Nate I was reading about America that there's something which I I've read I didn't know for the people in case you think I really knew this that with my vast knowledge that they call stealth thing now stell thing apparently is if during sex the the guy was to remove the condom this is that they call that stealthy but as in to remove it and the woman wasn't

a way that he removed it so in between she couldn't tell but he had removed it in between so they call that stealthy and I've read in I think three states in America that constitutes rape I was like whoa that's like I mean he could have said well my body my choice moved how far does this my body my choice go like for example you guys have any of those

in the u.s. no unless some places it may be due to restrictions they have to share but I think generally by and large no it is gender segregated but I think we if a company or a shop or something just had one toilet so they would have to announce it as you know this is for both genders whatever but I think that's just you to capacity otherwise by and large I'm speaking about safe bathrooms where both the genders could be in there

at once I think they may exist but in only due to capacity I think well they explain the odd it doesn't the general thing is gender sex segregation as far as I'm away but I could be wrong but I mean what about in the states where you oh yeah well that's why I actually was lecturing at one of the universities and I walked into such a bathroom by accident tell me one thing Imams up that

accident you know is the most you know I've had a lot of caffeine I just gotta just give me a few it's all just be back you know what I'm gonna really do my will do again for the next salon it's always virtuous to do we'll do a pond where I'm just going back to the the gender United no so so

okay so what's the so what so how was that then so you're right that was the worst experience of my life that was the the fastest although I media come on it couldn't be that bad know what I was getting to move T is what if those see like I don't think we we go through that thought process before coming to such decisions of having you know mixed bathrooms say there's a rape case or a rape allegation right in that regard and

you just okay for example you're just because rape is a bit out but like like sexual inappropriate kind of maybe a touch like sexual harassment or some sort of yeah are we just think is accidentally looking in I can't help but try and look into the cubicle are we just setting ourselves up to be in trouble then make freezes like are we

just setting ourselves up to prepare for such allegations no I mean you see there's a difference in there's a difference in what is the men and women being equal as human beings as in human rights in these kind of freedoms in in having you know the right to Liberty the right to happiness in that sense but there is a huge difference in saying there is now kind of they is 100% symmetry between the genders

like there is no you know everything is mirrored we are identical in everything a man is just basically a woman with an extra organ but even that's not a mirrored no actually you couldn't say a man is X transpose women have certain features there are extra as well but it's I think people are taking it this way too far yeah and I think sometimes more so in the States and maybe parts of Canada and stuff like that I think Oh am I wrong no you're right but I think Trump is sort of putting certain restrictions on such bathrooms after he

came into power but otherwise it's very common like I've seen these makes I don't know what to call them I know this for sure there's somebody somebody's asked here they've said while speaking about that speaking about rape isn't rape and uphill struggle to prove within Islam and Zipporah has asked a question as well and I'll just come to your questions they were in just a moment about relationships and marriages but this thing since it's relevant to what you've just said share about rape and

you know somebody could do this and you're trying to say well and I agree with you that you know I although I think rape is a bit out there it's a bit kind of like on the old Bollywood I'm trying to pitch in if somebody walks into a gender neutral and just thinking Shadow fun movie when this is going way beyond that you gotta go back to the old Amrish Puri days Gulshan Grover Gulshan Grover days bad man but the thing this is way before your time on Amazon but what I I agree with the sexual harassment people may say they were perfect so for example if a woman's in a bar in the toilet cubicle and the

guys going in and he's looking is he looking as interest taking an observation is he perving busy what and these kind of allegations or accident he touches her hand or something how does it go so I totally agree with you but somebody has asked you know being so conscientious about that wouldn't you say Islam trying to prove rape is it's a mission within Islam so Islam is kind of biased and against the victim that's what it seems like the questioner is asking I mean I don't know what your thoughts are so I

don't think it's biased in that regard I believe you know even if you go through the 50 the concept gives a whole lot of weight to the woman's claim in that regard say a woman comes to the Islamic court or you know the sort of the judge and says that you know this is what happened to me is it's not as such that her statement is just thrown off we're team does insignificant I believe from what I read a lot of weight is given to her statement but once again they would

sort of do their own research before just dismissing the case also mentioned for look there was a distinction a lot of classical folk gave rape the death penalty yeah now that was called a hat okay now for the Hat for the death penalty they had four witnesses and this kind of really meticulous kind of criteria which was as as the question had said is almost very difficult to find in a rape scenario and I would

agree but that was not the only punishment so the punishment beneath that was called as iam and that Z was what the judge saw fit for disease you did not require I mean you required I mean there would obviously be something in the trial it could be circumstantial evidence it could be partial testimonies they could even be no testimony but it's what the judge is kind of gathering from the case so for example the person has priors there's certain things in other areas that that seem to weigh in on this so the person based on

that may feel that this person is duty so for example even in the courts of law here you have what is beyond reasonable doubt and you have about balance of probabilities which is dealt with in family law courts and other kind of calls so the judge will deem that but if they weren't the witnesses they weren't the four people he couldn't execute the person he could not kind of he could not take life but he could still punish him he could lock he could say a sage in the sauna he could rutaberry bohon have him kind of sent away he could impose fines he could so there was a lot of the fact that what people are mixing up because

the Sharia in that sense doesn't really exist today except in the textbooks so people are assuming that in Islam if a person could not provide for witness testimonies that the culprit even if the circumstantial like let's say for example is very clear this woman's you know you could check with the medical evidence they could check by a doctor there's been learning there's been you know they could tell that let's say there's circumstantial or one person saw or a child saw something now but you can't prove it through multiple witnesses they're assuming the person

walked away scot-free and that is not the case cotton that the person the judge in almost all of those cases would take circumstantial evidence into account but they just wouldn't do the Hat they would do tarzie so they might say this person gets in prison this person has to pay this much money this person gets in prison and has to pay this much money this person is even going to get what is it ostracized from this region after having served a particular sentence or this person will get whipped a certain amount because you could whip there was corporal punishment historically in the books that was up to a certain amount like up to 80 lashes or

up to certain things sure now all of this exists so it's a miss inception that Oh the old folk AHA thought if you couldn't provide for witnesses the guy you just kind of shake his hand or the church kind of you know man-to-man kind of winks at him and says you know ah don't worry you know we'll take one for the team off you go it wasn't anything like that so that's an absolute misunderstanding well again I think it's it's disappointing that more Imams and Shu Hammond clarified this because a lot of X Muslims or a lot of atheist sometimes think that or Islamophobes sometimes so

and by the way they then they can think this genuinely I'm not trying to say they are hating on Islam but they might genuinely believe that in theory that's all amazing in theory for sure when we read the justice in our traditions in that regard it's awesome but I think practically mushrooms are really not making a reader you know a good image out of these teachings for example you just look at you know Amnesty International how many innocent you know

punishments they've reported against say women in suits are Odia absolutely for being a victim of rape and the guy gets away scot-free so should grant for bringing that up share because people may have had that as a kind of thought caveat that look oh but wait a minute in Saudi this has happened and it's being reported in the papers amnesty as discussed several kind of was it petitions regarding these things in Iran

over there and I agree and I first of all would like to say that I think as it's unfortunate that Muslim Imams and shul and Islamic bodies don't actually support organizations like Amnesty secondly because I all heartedly would undo secondly I would like to say this is a distinction between societies and what Islam is saying Saudi Arabia is not by any measure a manifestation of Islam yes they happen to be Muslim and they have certain interpretations neither is Iran neither is Pakistan neither is Egypt I mean these are

Muslims with a lot of culture with a lot of social problems see that's where I don't see whole points again move T you and I could lose our voices and echoing these sentiments but that's not what the media will echo that's not what the X Muslim - who have a certain agenda lined up against Islam will echo they'll echo that the Islam and they'll try to find isolated or weak or made up like practically made up traditions in that regard to prove them you know what Surya is doing is a representation of Islam or

Pakistan in that regard or whatever I do believe that there are many when it comes to X Muslims many of them I believe are actually sincere and they're not just kind of they are troublemakers just like everywhere but they are very genuine people as well who have also been like I don't blame them sometimes like when you watch this stuff you see somebody in Saudi getting beaten you see a woman being mistreated in Iran so and

the guy getting away I don't blame them from taking that judgment even a person like me who studied Islam sometimes we think twice what the heck is going on absolutely may Allah make things easy it is a huge it's a you know a travesty really so difficult the situation but this inshallah this hope there's an awakening there's a kind of like an gradual consciousness of these issues in Charlotte hope to see them better there is a question since we're speaking on on on the other end of this kind of theme really to do with relationships where

they are genuine relationships say BA had asked about a wife widow strong parental Ben it's in polygamy marriages now I know when it comes to marriages chef's you yourself kind of went against the mold if you don't mind me saying right so so you kind of went against cultural norms and you sure read out of your coach AZ or I mean if you that's if you wanted to what were your kind of experiences on that because there this is a big topic marriages a lot of people are struggling

to get married sometimes within Muslim communities what my mother was very supportive I can't say this the the same about the rest of the family so my wife's from Syria my immediate connections are to India but at a grandparent level at a great grandparent level we go back to about that but no one's gonna believe you when you say

this yourself being which is very kind of also the whole caste system the whole thing yeah what was the how did you find that we finally cool about it with a well like to be honest my mother was close sometimes she gives me you know I wish you married a Gujarati girl or [Laughter]

actually the way I got married was pretty unique [Music] and then one of my you know friends calls me and says so you're coming right you're coming to town so the place where he lived was basically from where I was going so he said you're coming you're

coming to see the press'll on some other

guys we're taking this road and long story short we stopped by my wife sham sham sham oh yes your daughter's name is Shan yes because I'm with my buddies we're going on a road trip they're like who's coming to see the girl they ain't gonna be like some kind of like a joint

understanding and we just met with my way for there basically and I spoke to her for a few months and then we got married but generally the cultural differences have they served as barriers or not really or what's the there there is a language barrier for sure between my my mother and my my wife well it's a

good thing she didn't marry there then there's no for me there's no culture barrier we get along I'm dirty laughs a lot of my teachers were from that region so I'm introduced to you know this their culture so to speak so somebody's asking what's the cultural fuel wife she's Syrian Syrian is Syria yes is from Homs [Music] so what would you say now as a badass that look this widows that sometimes people sees there's people there's

marriage difficulties in society is polygamy sometimes going on sometimes it's just struggling to find other relationships she'd asked what my it wasn't a clear question he was just polygamy widows this whatever question mark marrying widows is there anything wrong with that is it wrong but what there is a crisis in Muslim cultures in Muslim societies that there's a lot of people who are between a certain age let's say maybe in

the early 30s to mid 40s a lot of women that are not married because they've been divorced like they've gone through a divorce or maybe in some cases they've been widowed or other more so divorces they sometimes struggle with getting into a new relationship so what are your thoughts on one thought and is for example polygamy a solution to that I think that was her question so answer question number two first I personally think in a Canadian context or an American context polygamy is not the

solution because we've actually had a very bad name in the media for going against the law in this we're certain Imams were secretly performing marriages just just just to be clear a [ __ ] is not a legal marriage so it would be a law against a Nika Canadian I would say otherwise Mufti any sort of a ceremony any sort of a religious ceremony wouldn't sure I don't think you can be penalized in the court of law for but it is against that off for sure there's a

whole in the UK in the UK there's a clear distinction between state and religion and therefore any religious ceremonies are not against the law so if a person had let's say he to them they are just partners so you can have free to have as many partners as you like and you can do whatever you want in your religion if people but according to the state marriage is a statutory legal kind of event as well anarchy which can only happen with one person so a while back I would say a few months ago one of our

mainstream news media they actually did an entire article they actually did in sorry entire segment in this regard where they actually busted through secret camera has various Imams who are performing secretly gasps and then they basically they basically a secret secondly cos to be exact and they basically showed in that called documentary or whole segments how this although it's a religious ceremony goes against Canadian law no but see somebody a toast here as well if they publicly pronounced they

are husband and wife their code is married in the common law no they not now the thing is that I that happened in the UK as well by the way this undercover June journalist investigation and there was a whole kind of there was a series of kind of sting operations yeah I feel that was part of the the narrative was wrong so you see you know this thing that I Nick is not a marriage because these imams and these mustards and these movies and madrasahs don't clarify that that was the problem they were using words like

marriage now you can't use that one or because they were doing in that documentary movie was the ax man was clearly telling that you know the the the person who came for the sting operation you know as a sort of a client who wanted to get married the Imam was clearly saying to the government you you would say that this is my girlfriend or this is sort of my that's my point because you bought teaching it in a crafty manner like you're trying to teach it as a loophole it's not a loophole it's just what it is

like you wouldn't say like what I'm trying to say is because they were using words which were also legal words so you can see like there's a legal word like tax now you oh you also use the word tax now you say oh we're dealing with taxes and then you say over by taxes I don't mean those taxes I mean something that's a problem because you're using legal terminology with different meanings so when you use the term marriage you see marriage is a legal term so when you say are we conducting your marriage here today but oh but if they ask do it like this then this is just categorically wrong but if use made if the teachings

and the narrative was clear that these are not marriages these are knickers and they just used the term anika not the word they cater McGary she they distinguish between as the version Anika and they say this is just Anika and octave Nika and it's like people being in for example whether they want to be plural relationships or not then the law it wouldn't be something kind of crafty and shady and seedy and it would be something open but a lot of what was happening here with seek and secret marriages or something else by the way secret you know like I'm not I don't agree with people doing these things and keeping them as secrets and because

they're just doing it to her people that's a different thing in and of itself zebra had clarified her question by sending in do all the widows in a polygamous marriage receive benefits from the government I'm not sure I understood that it was trying to look for adequate spouses there are in North America we do have a lot of avenues for that we're actually certain massage facility decent meetups oh do they occasionally I think personally

that the states are way ahead of the UK when it comes to Masjid functionality so basically say it's nah it's an organization here or say our annual RIS conference that happens where you know different speakers are called they actually have a segment in that conference which is dedicated to sort of like a marriage bureau theme where people actually register and they are introduced to you know compatible spouse's based on that analytics that are is Colette's or it's not connects

and this actually happens in a lot of masajid as well it's very common to be honest but I mean do you not find over here I do see it as a big problem to be fair this whole like people don't know what to do they don't know where to go to there is a lot of social media of the availability but then this they a lot of them are not genuine and I mean it is a problem I don't have a solution charge and are Manning the messages they're facilitate that mostly I agree with you

but do you not feel this ties in to the argument that Mustard's by and large today are just dysfunctional anyway I mean maybe in the UK in the u.s. I think mustards are a lot better developed yeah so in our messaging we actually have an underlay like we're totally integrated in society so we have interface events we have segments where we dedicate to the food bank you name it you know what the church is maybe in the UK maybe doing no general Masjid in the US - to be

honest I'm definitely the Imams are much better spoken in the u.s. they're much more articulate the the lives by and large Muslims are much more because they kind of spaced out they're much more integrated the other thing is the Muslims in the u.s. they already come from like so that the micro parents that moved over were already educated in city folks whereas in the UK that migrant parents that came here were very rural so they were very rural and you know

they came from villages the farmers they want people that generation so for example your generation or generation like my generation there in the UK people in their 30s or people in their 20s they're not people now who are like imported from the gums you know why is this situation still like that in the UK

what's happened is it's so deep rooted and deep-seated that it's gonna take a while but I do see a huge another problem I see is a huge divergence in the kind of the Muslim the Muslims here generally you're getting certain people going in a certain direction you gain certain people who are becoming much more dogmatic and sponge then the appearance were all the people back in the villages they're becoming worse than them we've got like let's just see this

holiest yeah and you've got a whole segment of people a whole not even a statement it's a huge kind of a channel of people that are you know saying forget this religion the religion is nonsense yeah yeah I mean it's so much it's so polarized some of the yeah may Allah make things easy I mean I mean it's been quite we've gone on quite a while here people there be quite a few people tuned in quite a few from the states will probably awake at this time somebody said Newport the guys from the states or maybe just launching

me to bash me later but yeah now they're gonna get a screenshot of this meeting the devil sign by the way just so all our viewers know chef chef Mars isn't actually dressed in purple it's the way a camera has picked him up it's actually black he's got a black hat and a black

though but it's the way the camera there was they're speaking some amazing things about you by the way but yes I just just so people know that cool I think this this has been really awesome on a really first of all chef I'm so glad you've come on live I'm sorry you've really been confident in expressing your opinions about Islam about the general status quo in the States in Canada the Mathias system learning the Masjid

functionality where it's going whether there's optimism your own struggles just clarifying the some unfortunate dogmatism that is present just having the courage to really speak about it so I really appreciate that shukran something for things come on move the he were he was dressed in purple I thought the Solomon [Music]

see that's why that's why she was very clear on disowning polygamy straight away from the offset because he might be [Laughter] religious scholarly conference it's it's initiated by MJ which is local you know sort of once again nondenomination nondenominational sort of Institute which focuses on filth and Fatah WA so whenever the scholars there who was presenting his wife was present on the

sisters side and the sister site in UK is totally different than the sister site in the US so he actually you know from the get-go when the question was he said this is a show that is meant to go on I mean we're gonna try and do it as

much as we can it's called mantra and you can understand from that whatever you like that's the whole purpose about engaging the mind I do want to get many people on here diverse people if you do have any kind of thoughts on who I should get to kind of hit me up in Charlotte send me a message on definitely likewise Imam mother is on chef masa is on Facebook he's on are you on Instagram is all yeah he's on Instagram as well what's your handles your Facebook and the insta food and

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