Thoughts On Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, And What They Symbolize | Mufti Abu Layth

i think you should speak to jordan peterson and sam harris it would be an amazing discussion oh yeah it would be wonderful it'd be oh wow what a i don't know if these are like huge entities in their own right you know i i'll tell you we got into a little discussion the other day and i was saying that i don't think people appreciate

see maybe it's the generational gap maybe it's um i don't know but i don't think people truly appreciate the shift in dynamics in our time and who these key and why some of these key figures are so central and the discussion began because of there was a clip which i shared on my insta story about jordan peterson speaking to i've forgotten the other guy's name he's uh but he was saying that you know why they can't cancel joe rogan because

recently there's been all this heat on joe rogan and he said well if they do you know what would happen is elon musk could just give him a call and say let's set up our own thing rival spotify and i thought what a power move huh but we got into this discussion uh some friends and i and you see the thing is that these people are such phenomenal figures for what they symbolize in our age i mean joe rogan naturally for that it's

not about his views but it's what he symbolizes because people always see they have it's natural to have a problem with authority and because authorities often abused and so the state and huge corporations especially in our age these are although in many ways invisible yet present like we don't know the day-to-day so we don't know them in a personal manner okay with the state you might see

certain things being you know thrown in the news but these things from behind the shadows dictate and then you have certain symbols like joe rogan more than what he does is he's become a symbol of free speech now elon musk is another such a central figure who i think is it's incredible all of him because he is a huge visionary of our age and

in addition to being one of the most wealthiest people you know tycoons on earth yet he his he's so devoted to this mission of his and because of the power he wields in a way he is like a parallel authority to authority even though he doesn't he isn't like that it's not that he goes around doing these things i mean occasionally he does but my point is that he symbolizes that you

see it's it's not that you have to do the things you have to be seen to symbolize those things and he does that and jordan peterson you see this i don't know if how many people appreciate this he truly in our age symbolizes faith the the ability to have faith in a modern world and not be embarrassed of it not be because i know well muslims would say well many muslims say

well we're not embarrassed of our faith and that's we shouldn't be embarrassed of our faith but generally speaking in the western world unfortunately the way the situation is muslims as muslims we don't count we're insignificant okay we have to sometimes eat a humble pie and just be honest that you know in in the west because if you're looking at the world as a whole today like imagine you're an alien you've come to earth now when you come to earth it's it won't with very little time you'd be able to determine

what parts of the world wield the most power that would be very simple to understand that where the power axes lie and that's what you'd be interested in you'd be interested in well okay who so it's very clear america the west these countries these this part of the world dictates the momentum of the world it dictates the culture it dictates the language of the world english is an international language it is from these places they dictate the currency and the trade of the world the stock you know the

markets the the the free markets the global economy it is dictated by these exchanges so okay so this seems to be the hub okay so now you look at the hub and well religion had not only fallen out of fashion since let's say in this part of the world since i don't know the 80s or whatever the late 80s definitely had become ridiculed so even if somebody wouldn't purposely make fun of you in front of

you but it was seen as somewhat primitive to believe in god and especially in the face of rising in you know the rising star of science it is and and then you had the celebrity atheists that rose on the back of that and you had the four horsemen you have hitchens and sam harrison who came like a meteor and richard dawkins and dan dennett and these people they are huge huge in what they did

people can't maybe because people are not exposed to the greater society they just you know if all you meet and read and watch are your friends and family and maybe you watch some tv and watch some sports and that's it then i guess you wouldn't really know but if you look at the world dynamics they had really done severe damage to faith to the extent that just take america as a fine example in america it is it was virtually i would say you know

whether if not impossible very close to to be a professor within a university and proclaim that you have a faith i mean if it was not impossible it would be a very difficult arduous task to do that wouldn't be worth the task because of the amount of difficulties that you'd find yourself in so just think about that take a moment to let that sink and then you think wow and what was gonna answer these questions what was gonna and really it had to come

from somebody who has a profound insight to western culture because that's the sunnah of allah when you you know that whenever the message comes to a people it comes and i don't mean as a prophet here but whenever a message comes whenever it is explained it is it is with the tongue of the people not just english but a deep profound culture and i remember many years back i mean not many let's say about it was probably 2015 2016.

i remember having a discussion with certain maulanas and mufti's and religious people about is that there is nobody that can take on the likes of sam harris there is nobody that can take on the likes of hitchens i mean hitchens had kind of passed but there was nobody that could really take these people on i mean we could i don't mean let's be fear about it pretend there is a and a non-muslim audience watching or a non-believing audience

to them that are neutral obviously if let's say a muslim said i'm going to debate richard hawking richard dawkins and then they said well this is the aristotle said this and they said this and our arguments and then the muslims naturally we will have a confirmation bias we're going to say well yeah you know because it helps us we're going to celebrate that and there's nothing wrong in doing that that is fine that's natural but to the greater audience who are not believers or who are skeptical or agnostic or to the muslims who are on the brink it didn't give them peace of mind

they were really troubled and and really i remember thinking about this and discussing this with people that there's really honestly that this is so difficult this age that we're in and maybe because people don't follow these atheists so closely they sometimes ignorance is bliss ignorance can be often bliss if if you don't know about all the the dangerous ideas out there then sure you know that's you're in a blissful and arguably a blissful state

but all the people that do know and with the proliferation of the internet internet it's and i have to say where else could the answer come from when you think about the west and you think of science the answer had to come from science because that is what the the culture and the language of the people was and i feel the lang the answer came twofold it came one with astrophysics in part

and the other it came with psychology because people underestimated the power of psychology because it too is a science albeit a soft science but it's a science see that's what freud says you know he says make no mistake he says this this work of ours is a science and going deep into symbolic structures of the world in terms of language the human psyche karl young it's it's so now it's common sense when you

watch it now you think wow it's amazing honestly i think because it's happening in front of us we can't appreciate it but generations that will come later will look back at these times and think wow these were defining moments that changed the trajectory now it's actually you know a person can openly say they believe and and this it's not so absurd and new age atheism celebrity atheism is kind of dying its death that's interesting isn't it

i tell you we are living in interesting times may allah bless them for us all i mean