Was Jesus (as) A Virgin Birth? Miracles, Logic, And Asexual Reproduction | Mufti Abu Layth

a quick question on Miracles saying look I've got a detailed video I've got many detailed videos on Miracles you can watch them there was a question here by Desi edits saying look about uh they could be a virgin birth I've got a detailed video on the the Virgin birth so very briefly looking at it that look most Muslims do feel that there was a virgin birth for Jesus

this is a continuation of the the Christian tradition yeah now because many Chris most Christians feel that there was a virgin birth now the Quran now when you come to and some Muslims felt there was no virgin birth and I know some Christians have also denied the Virgin birth so so some Muslim Scholars denied that especially of recent times now when you look at the actual wording of the Quran the Quran

actually stops short of saying there was a virgin birth but the the verses they one could say they imply one could say that I you see I wouldn't say that though I would say that you could infer there's a difference so one is it is implying one is you are inferring so one can easily infer a virgin birth from the verses but the verses do not denote and state a virgin birth there is no verse in the Quran that states that

Jesus was born without a father but sure one could infer from it so the way it's being said that one could infer us or this happened without so they're referring to the verses verse where Mary says oh but how can I have a child where I've not been touched that we have not consummated you know I've not uh engaged in sexual intimacy so and and the reply is that whatever the Lord has decreed shall be now here the people are assuming that oh and then she got pregnant so

they're assuming she got pregnant straight away because why are they assuming that because there is a Christian tradition telling them that not the Quran but the Christian tradition telling them that so this same uh verse happens in two other places one is with um let's say the the wife of Abraham where she is now uh she is a assumes she is Barren and she says well how can I have a child she's given the Glad Tidings she will have a child she said how can I have a cloud a child I'm a Barren old woman and and she's

told well that is what the law decrees shall be and then she has a child but nobody says she had a child miraculously they all say well no Abraham was involved and another verse where um you have um the wife of uh Zakaria so um she is under the assumption that she's barren not because of old age but just that she is incapable of being pregnant so here that she they receive Revelation and

they are told that whatever the Lord should decrees shall be and you shall have a child and then she has a child she has John or Yahya um you know John the Baptist so now nobody says that yahia was born miraculously so if it was just by reading these verses you would assume but nobody says that because they think well oh naturally there there's a husband in the scene so with Mary now they're not sure of her husband most people most Christians not most all Christians pretty much

agree that Mary had a husband that's you know she had a husband which is Joseph the carpenter um so it's not that uh it's not that Mary didn't have a husband but he isn't because the Quran doesn't mention him so the understanding is that well here she's being told this good news and then she has a child and the Christians have told us it was a virgin birth so we're going to go with it's a virgin birth and that's fine you know if people want to go with that I'm not saying they they can't go with that

most Muslims believe that most Muslims believe that and like I said most Christians believe that some Muslims believe that no these verses don't actually what they're saying is that yes she's saying this because she was betrothed to Joseph but he was refraining from sexual intimacy so she says how can I have a child because he doesn't seem interested in sexual intimacy and then she goes on to have a child so that's that view okay it look it doesn't really make a difference if to you look Jesus being a prophet of God is nothing

to do with him having a virgin birth so Moses was a prophet of God he didn't it's not he didn't have to you don't have to have a virgin birth like if you had a father that doesn't negate you being a prophet the greatest Prophet Muhammad was not born from a virgin birth he is the greatest of all Prophets so you a virgin Birth has no bearing on it's not a qualifier to be a prophet so it's just it's something if if it's very important for you

and you feel that look this is important for me then more power to you believe in it there's nothing you know I'm nobody's stopping you from believing in it if you feel that no that look well because if you well if you feel that look I don't care what science says I don't care of our discovery of the world because mammals cannot reproduce asexually the other thing is science DNA teaches us that you see you need a y chromosome the women do not carry a y chromosome so the question of this he edit saying

sexual asexual reproduction is not a mammalian phenomenon okay so what you're talking about is called parthenogenesis parthenogenesis it does occur in reptiles in certain lizards and they've argued maybe in certain birds and obviously the question is are birds very closely you know related to reptiles I mean because they both practically descendants of dinosaurs right so mammals are different okay so mammals cannot reproduce asexually parthenogenesis does not occur and then

to reproduce let's say you said they've reproduced and they would reproduce using their own DNA so a female could only reproduce the X chromosome let's say we go with this where does she get the Y chromosome from females don't carry a white chromosome so only men carry a y chromosome so where do you get that from so scientifically you can't you see if you so if you feel that look fine well I don't care I don't need a scientific holistic coherence to me it's fine

Allah miraculously put a y chromosome in in Mary miraculously now the question is well who's data whose DNA was in the Y chromosome so because it has to be a man it has to be of a lineage it has to be of some descent because so let's just say Allah created an artificial Y chromosome of a Semitic person who lived in of that people of bani Israel because obviously otherwise Jesus is going to look totally different he's got to be you know he's got to have the same genetic makeup of his people otherwise if Allah put Chinese let's say

you know or a different hapler group in him or let's say sub-Saharan happily group or Caucasian hapler group then he's going to obviously look entirely different to his people so so he has to be of his people so okay fine so Allah creates in that moment a y chromosome with the genetic DNA haplogroup of his people but it's artificial and then Allah places it within Mary and then creates a baby so I said TK I believe in that fine you know that's because you say well I don't need science to explain it to me oh sorry I don't not that I don't

need science to explain the problem is science already explains how this happens so you're saying well I don't care what science says that this can't happen because it doesn't matter for me that's fine the only challenge for that is if you were to dis have a debate on faith with someone your debate scientifically could not last even a few minutes it doesn't last like your thing falls apart it's like somebody arguing with you that there's a giant teapot in the sky and you say well and say well I just believe in the giant teapot

he said well but there is no giant tea person but but there is you see scientifically it's like let's say you are let's say you debated a Hindu who said to you that God became uh you know manifested as an advertised Hanuman the monkey god and he's gone why do you find that absurd what's wrong with that why do you think that argument is absurd that God manifests became uh you see Hanuman is the monkey god is or why do you find the story of

Shiva comes back and cuts off ganesha's head and then replaces him with an elephant's head and now Ganesh the son of Shiva and Parvati is now the the the god of strength why can't God do that God is all powerful why can't God do it so when a Hindu did let's say debates that with you and you you say well that doesn't make any sense he says well it does because God is all powerful he can do what he wants so by the way Hindus actually believe in for many people don't know this in one Supreme Court they believe in Brahma so these are just

avatars they're not actually but they them they're kind of gods in their own right they've been given these Powers but ultimately it says Brahma so they say well God's made this God's all-powerful so why can't you accept it so you say well but it doesn't make any sense ah so now you're appealing to reason you see now when you appeal to reason the problem is then you get stuck in these things because then when you go against reason you see but then you say oh but now I don't want to play the game of Reese no no no [Music]

not even nice not nice this one so you see at that stage you say now I don't want to play this game now I want to just say because God is all powerful say well yesterday you know yesterday when we're debating with the Hindu you're playing this game so this is the problem this is where people get stuck they get stuck on when they're debating with other people they want to use so if you're somebody who doesn't leave it like let's say you say true Hinduism could be right but I just don't believe it's right because I believe in

this but you're right there's no reason that I can say like not the voice of reason cannot disprove Hinduism it's just that the Quran has told me that no other so my belief is not rational it's not based on reason it's just confessional like the Quran told me that don't believe in anything else therefore I don't believe in anything else the Quran said to me that that's not right therefore it's not right I can't give you any reasons why it's not right I don't know any reasons because I can't know because they this isn't a reason based

argument then in that case it's fine you can believe these Miracles could have happened like this then and they could be like that and it could be that Allah is doing these things and it could be for the Hindu that for them not for us but for the Hindu that God is is all-powerful that he's made uh other little gods that do things and and it could be for Christians that God has made three manifestations the Trinity because God is all-powerful you can do what he wants you see so he said well but God can't you see you say but God can't become God the son he said but he can because it's all powerful

he said but he told us in the Quran that he can't but they'll say but he told us in the Bible that he can so this argument of it doesn't go very far so then you just can never as long as you're somebody that feels look faith is never like I'm not interested in any kind of discussion oh sorry not discussion but any kind of uh dialogical discourse proving faith then it's fine then you can believe however then I think these people are absolutely safe they are bulletproof safe okay

but for those people who say that you know what we want to we are prepared to defend Faith using the voice of reason because to us faith is nested in reason so to those people this journey is different so to them everything in Islam Allah is the ultimate who gives us the voice of reason therefore nothing Allah tells us can ever go against reason this is the teaching of people like the great Maliki Legend IBN rushden many Islamic scholars and thinkers have

thought like this that nothing that the voice because Allah has given us the voice of reason nothing that he tells us or reveals to us can never be against the voice of reason like he can never contradict sure there can be things you don't understand but it can never be that you understand something and then so now saying how babies are born we know how babies are born it's not a mystery how babies are born so sure you could say look Consciousness we don't know how Consciousness works we don't know how Multiverse works we don't know how the ribe works but how babies are born is not the rape you know how we were born you you don't say well

you were born as a mystery your mom and dad obviously got together and you were born so you babies being born is not a mystery so to say well we know how babies are born but this particular baby was born not how we know how babies are born now that is not a deep that cannot work in this category of people who want to who believe that faith is always rested in nested in reason so to them this is well so what they can do okay so what this

what some people can do in the middle they can be a camp in the middle that say look we're kind of in both camps so we believe faith is nested in reason except when we get stuck then we're just going to say except on this case but that you see it's that's exactly it sounds like that then whenever you get stuck you say well okay this kit on this time we're not we're not going to we're not going to explain the rules don't apply on this case but they apply on all the others which we can explain so that this is it look it's your pick I

feel it's absolutely fine if you say um if a person believes that there's miraculous virgin Birds it's absolutely fine if a person if they want to believe that's fine that's their choice it's their faith if a person believes up until now this virgin birth's happening fine it doesn't bother does it bother you if a person said look I believe there's 10 people I know who are in such and such Village they were born of Virgin births Tigger

let's say for for their sake okay and now to this category of people no Allah says that if you want to understand creation Allah says go through the Earth and watch observe nature then you will learn how creation began science is an observation of your environment so Allah has told us to do that in the Quran so this Camp of people need things to always that they want to test they they they have in their Ima

it never failed I will take it to the nth degree and Islam will stand the test of time see this category of people the people in the middle are this category of people are not interested in testing Islam at all that's fine they don't need to test Islam they this category in the middle are interested in testing but sometimes they get intimidated so they on those occasions say oh don't talk about it here but talk about it here that's fine but this category of people their Iman is firmly nested in the voice of reason and the voice of reason

they have tested it time and time again and Islam has always stood the test of time see but it's up to you you take take your pick nobody's gonna tell you if anybody tells you you can't believe this then I think that to me that's silly you can believe whatever you want believe whichever one all of these are ulama of Islam so so this

yeah so there's a whether One Believes Jesus had a father or not does not interfere with one story exactly so it's no big deal these things look put it like this every single other Prophet that you're going to speak about had a mom and dad you're going to accept that it doesn't change the mission in Islam Jesus's mission was not that oh he was born without a dad that's not Jesus's mission so his mission stayed exactly the same

so his prophethood was not based on him on his birth his prophethood was based on his prophethood so yeah so anyway that's that discussion but like I said people can Nest it you see this group of people who believe in a virgin birth they nest it in this verse of the Quran they say is saying how can I have a child and volume and then she has a child afterwards because Allah says that you know such is

the decree of God so they infer that well it's clear Allah doesn't say she you know sure he doesn't say but here there's an inference so they use this first and that's fine people who say G that know that this just like everybody else uh we know how babies are born it takes two people they use these verses of the of the Quran that Allah says

we created you as in all of you from one male and one female so they say well Jesus is no exception they also use the verse of the Quran that Allah says that how can God they ascribe a son unto God how can God have a son when he did not have a female partner why is Allah saying this because Allah is explaining that you see because for there to be a son he there needs to be a female

there needs to be two for there because Allah is saying in the Quran is the verse of the Quran how could he have a son and he did not have a female consort that surely he would need that to have the son now you can say well Allah is all-powerful but that's Allah is explaining he's all powerful but he doesn't work that way he creates means so he did not create a female consort how did he have a son so if Allah is saying this for himself

in the Quran that look how can they say he had a son and he didn't have a female partner then mimbabiola then it's more makes absolute sense that gee every Cree every human on earth was born from a male and female that's why it lies giving that example so these people who use that evidence they they use this verse these people use this verse they're both using the Quran okay now you may say oh but that verse is not talking about this sure you know it's talking generally and these people will say yeah but that verse is

it's it's not saying anywhere just as the other verses of Abraham and Zechariah the the wives are also given Glad Tidings and they have a son nobody says they miraculously have a son as in nobody says they through a virgin or non-uh you know they were asexually had a son nobody says that so why the difference so these are the answers to both sides now you choose what you may Allah see faith is a personal Journey people it's a personal Journey if you feel your

faith is something that only makes sense if you feel your faith is can must be dictated to you by others or micromanaged then that's a very poor state of Iman to be in whatever you believe I'm not saying you need to believe this or believe that anything whatever you believe but it is your Journey live it embrace it enjoy it taste it and live it

you know that's the thing right let's move on people