Mufti's Meetup 😉🤟 [October session]

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doing it right people alright much love much love i'm good i'm good shukran i'm shukran all right claire jones always a pleasure to see you online you do in it right what is mufti i want to talk to you capital d right oh this was absolutely epic i was sharing it on my um i shared it on on my insta story

uh telling people that they really need to watch it it was absolutely amazing the joe rogan discussion with brian and uh graham hancock on psychedelics um you've got the the whole uh you know the hallucinian mysteries and it's just amazing absolutely amazing people let me see first and foremost we have mufti abu alpha

i'm back [Music] all right so you know how um imam ghazali and um in the rush had like a kind of like a beef like whose side would you take in that like discussion i like that disagreement that's a fascinating uh question actually because you see in that discussion i would side

with ibn rust i've seen i knew that yeah see look at that a lot because i think that you see i feel that okay just to give a backdrop to people who are unfamiliar with this what it is is that imam ghazali he writes a book called uh and the book is the the kind of uh yeah yeah philosophers yeah the book is a

it's a summary of his vent you know this is he's venting out lashing out against philosophers it's called the philosopher the kind of collapse or it's translated as the incoherence or this kind of collapse of the philosophers and in it he's uh basically saying that he has arrived at the conclusion that the philosophers for the most part are kuffar are disbelievers based on and he summarizes it into certain key aspects one you know they don't believe in the

in the kind of resurrection of the bodies and they don't believe in um and it goes on they believe in the pre-eternality of the world and so on and so forth but this whole book it obviously shocks the world why does it shock the world it doesn't shock the world because uh rosalie's writing is so compelling that that's not why it shocks the world why it shocks the world is because rosalie is the one who's writing it you see it's a bit like

what i mean you see when somebody who represents a particular field comes out and says something that's very anti that field that's the shocking factor it's not the content of what he had to say that was so compelling it's a bit like how you have uh i mean this is a tiny example but it's it's like recently you've had these kind of scandalous things with shaykh yasser kathy now in all honesty it's not yes hasn't said anything that hasn't been said before

obviously he did it in a poor way but he's not saying anything that's new but the only thing is because who he is to all these people when he comes out and says these things that is shocking to the people it's not so much the content like that same thing could be said by somebody else and it wouldn't really mean anything it's just the fact that oh because they hold him to be this person and they held imam razali to be this philosopher so when he comes out and says you know philosophy is a uh it's a way it's not

only a waste of time it's disastrous this shocks people that what the hell you know we you are the philosopher so you saying this is scary and you see why i don't side with razali is because you have to understand that this expression of razali was not born in a vacuum there was a backdrop to it and the backdrop to this was that rosalie was going through a faith crisis he was going through an existential crisis and and that's fine i mean everybody you

know not everybody but many people go through these crises of faith and crises of um you know an existential reality who are we what are we doing here what is the nature of the self is any of this even true is islam true is this and i'm not making this up i mean in his own book explains this that i went through this crisis where i felt you know is anything actually real is is my faith real is this is that but this crisis he's having is almost a thousand years ago from today now he felt that he couldn't answer his own questions

the crisis that you know the questions that you from philosophy throw at yourself um you need to answer them or you need answers for them now his knowledge and plus you have to remember in that day and age which was translated today we translated as wisdom back then it meant science because al-hikma was your observation of the world which is science today i mean even science wasn't called science a couple of hundred years ago i mean they called it different things whether it was naturalism or studying nature or

studying they didn't call it science so his el hikma his science of the day and age could only take him so far uh his own understanding his own so what he felt that i mean he did a great job of trying to get so far but he felt that he was just drowning and the only way to escape this was to jettison rationale altogether and cling on to this deep mysticism of um you know just going deep into this sense of rabbania this kind of

uh hermetic becoming a a kind of hermit like i gave up a monk this kind of like monastic lifestyle and so that's what he did he he rejects everything goes off into a desert lives in a desert for years and and he writes this book you know this uh philosophies kuffar and so on but really that comes from it's just him venting because he's frustrated with this whole you know philosophy he feels it you know it raises so many questions that you can't answer but i feel definitely today we've moved

on so much like science today has you know it's gone at a quantum level if he had things like quantum physics available to him he would not have struggled as much as he did struggle but it's just that the knowledge of the world in his day and age could only go so far i'm not saying we have cracked it but we have definitely gone farther than he went um obviously i mean he contributed to this as well like people you know it's like newton's saying i've if i get if i see sulfites only because i stand on the shoulders of giants

so yeah so ibn rushed a century later writes a refutation against him saying look what are you even talking about not all these philosophers believe this you know you're saying aristotle believes this but that's not even true that's actually plato and and he kind of corrects him and says all these things to like eating his points yeah yeah yeah yeah but cool i think that was an awesome question man you do and it you're doing it much appreciated i won't take up any more people's time cool man speak soon stay blessed much love salaam alaikum all right what a question people what a

question alright look at this redo your shahada any any everyone any you lost any and it's like to redo the shahada [Laughter] this is why you know sibling marriages are haram

because you know the dna not healthy you know this one chromosomal chromosomal uh catastrophe our fries so we have here who do we have who do we have right i'm good how are you dude where are you joining us from i'm uh from facebook actually yeah joining from the feast yeah i know but uh facebook but we're we're in in the globe oh i'm from canada toronto toronto canada yeah man you're doing it i mean

it's an absolute pleasure i see your comments all the time i see you're kind of supportive uh you know um all whether it's your likes shares everything i often see it so shukran shukran which there's something you'd like to share with us today yeah i mean all i gotta do man is like i gotta i gotta thank you a lot man i was struggling with my dean last year you know however i was i was at a christian camp or whatnot right so a lot of the christians are one now we're trying to like bug me in or not start insulting the prophet they do they will like get a guam your one all right but alhamdulillah you know i found you right i saw the egypt on her video with that wallahi man i

love you for the sake of allah just because of that video i'm able to sort of like defend my faith i'm happy to be an actual muslim you know what i mean so i just got to thank you man and uh you know like i'm just happy to be on this you know what i'm saying synopsis man right right back at you man much love i appreciate it i appreciate you you know voicing voicing this because this you know like yourself i mean you seem incredibly young uh yeah you don't mind me i'm still learning you know alright but yeah but you are uh exemplifying uh an archetype of young people so there's many young people like you

that would be going through this kind of a struggle you know because they they're reading something they they're hearing you know it's just the other day somebody sent me a um a clip on instagram or something and it was uh it was somebody preaching saying um it may have been ali dao i i can't remember who it was i don't want to say in case i'll get it wrong but it was somebody preaching and they they're having a and a kind of like a heated discussion with a non-muslim and they're saying that look our we are transparent we are transparent

about our deen see we openly say the prophet married a six-year-old there you go we're not hiding it if we want to hide it we and and this reverse reactionary bravado effect that we're seeing you see what they don't realize is it is snatching the dean away from the you know the hearts of so many people because it is you know i understand for these people in that mode of argument they feel that you know this is uh somehow you know we're owning it like you know there's this kind of bravado about it but it really isn't our place to to to

do these kind of things because you've got you know you've got these isolated narrations which not me not you not imam malik you know from the is so yeah i um so

uh you know your thoughts as well i dearly appreciate it don't mind me asking i just have a cool squad go for it go for it go for it so uh okay the first one is uh so a lot of the christians right so you have verses like surah uh surah 10 verse 94 is where it says right and then they bring like verse like surah 5 68 right where they say like uh if you are in doubt in that which we have revealed unto you refer to the people of the book for they have been reading the scriptures before you right so i just want to know from what do you think the what type of gospel do you

think that the christians were using during the prophet muhammad peace be upon him because you know you have waraqa bin no full you have uh people like salman al-farsih you have kabbalah right you have uh abdullah you have you have a lot of the early uh the converts to islam you know what i mean so what what what type of torah gospel would you uh think they had because i know there's different gods like uh like if you if you go to like syria or whatever they might have been they might have been using the infancy gospel of thomas right

these are really good questions i definitely think some of these gospels that what are today termed the apocryphal kind of gospels like the infancy uh gospels of thomas st thomas and you've got others uh others as well especially within the syriac some claims have been made that these were still around amongst the middle eastern christians and they may have been but i definitely feel that the gospels they have today were the these were definitely there um whether the apocryphal or were they i i feel the apocrypha

would have existed in certain pockets of communities whether they were deemed authoritative in that day and age i don't know to be honest with you um it could have been amongst certain pockets of christians they may have been deemed authoritative but i feel that the gospels that they have today were definitely there and these gospels you know they were definitely leaning in on these and taking inspiration from them but when you see when allah is saying things like look if you are in doubt ask the people who

went before you that is within particular contexts within particular now so it's not that you see so it's not saying things like uh oh i don't know like let's say every single thing about islam asks the people of the book it's not saying that so there will be things so for example in none of the gospels not a single one of the the canonical canonical gospels that we have will jesus say that he is god yeah exactly they'll use like so john 8 58 right where it says like preen abram guinness

where it says before abraham was i am from all the christians that i've talked to that's the only one they use but they can't get it but but one but unequivocally you know very clearly i don't mean not to i don't mean in a sense that can you infer sometimes you know like uh people saying things like oh none will shall reach the father except through me and so on oh they're going to infer a certain kind of uh a certain kind of god headship but what what what i'm saying is unequivocally where jesus is saying look i am god like this it isn't anywhere now these kind of things

allah is saying that look you can this thing that god is one you can like so you can ask them you know you can uh or the fact that there is revelation or the fact that it depends the context in which the people of the book are being brought forward because you have to remember where revelation is coming down there is uh especially in makkah the christians are being kind of like wedged in the the christians and the jews because the initial discourse is against the mushakhin the polytheists yeah now

when the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam is preaching some story sometimes there's a mention of prior prophets the prophet is taking this abrahamic path so what was happening is many of the people of mecca were bringing down people from of the book bringing down rabbis and christians to debate the prophet to kind of set him up pit him against them and and they had connections with so many of the people because you have to remember that the capital the uh the cultural capitals were in the middle east they were not in the arabian peninsula they were in

places like hira was a cultural capital you know busra before these kind of more than these were like the the cultural capitals so the the where you had the rasanes where you had the uh the you know the the lachmits these people many of them were christian some may have been jewish as well now these people are being brought down to debate the prophet and at times the mushrikeen are being told look why don't you then ask the people of the book you know if this is what your thing is go ask them you know you're keen to ask

them and you ask them about this and you know and this is the context to these kind of verses uh because occasionally they are being brought to have a debate with the prophet so yeah it just so what if it's enough i don't want to take up too much time or whatever uh the issue of uh apostasy killings right i know a lot of the islamophobes love to love to like bring the supper or not i mean like it's like you read deuteronomy 13 right the entire chapter talks about like apostles i i love how you're so well versed in the bible i've been debating christians for a long

time i mean you're only you're only 16 i don't know what alone the issue of like uh the apostasy killings are in islam you know how we generally see that i believe that just like you all the narrations are like they're pretty much outside as well i mean like they all come through right who's like oh well there's a lot of like who made on him you know what i mean so like what what do you think of the other narrations which which come through like qatada from al-hasan al-basri from like anus which

what do you think of those like apostasy uh killing narrations you see this is the so right so this is the thing you have to bring all of these in front of you but right there qatada is a fine example is a major modalis he's not just a modalist he's like from the kings you know qatar has like something like over 200 kind of uh we this this uh statements about him where he's transmitted you know over 200 of these kind of narrations and most likely only ever heard a small amount of them but

he's just kind of uh done at least and just gone yeah yeah yeah um so these these are hadith fine i mean let's take a look at the chains we'll we'll bring them and take a look at them but often i quote the one in bukhari because that's the one you know yeah exactly the one about ali but all of these you see you have to understand the context in which if this was the case why don't we see in the lifetime of the prophet why don't we see it in and in fact in the

see this was a clear condition that they said you know if a person leaves his deen leaves islam and comes back to us he will be safe you can't stop him but if you know one of us goes to you you must return him here the prophet agrees and it's not just it's i don't just mean agreeing for the treaty it's the concept that he he he's it's the concept of saying well okay you know there isn't a hud for this if this is such a major sin in the sense that major crime that requires this public

retaliation why is it not mentioned in the quran why does the quran apparently contradict it you know it's only left for random aha you know these kind of one two things cannot take life you can't like the sanctity of life is from the qatar yet you can't remove that sanctity even if you had a khabra even if you felt this chain was valid but come on you're going to overrule something by something running so yeah this is uh look this was political it was something which islam it wasn't muslims weren't

exclusive many cultures around the world were just yeah exactly you know if you left their faith people would have killed you muslims yeah muslims were no different they they felt this yeah and then people you know they back project these hadith oh yeah yeah actually you know i'm pretty sure i've heard something and and this is the thing so you start to get these and i'm not saying you see you know when people make up hadith it's not that they there's things like false memories as well you see people have to understand that we they assume we live in this uber

black and white world where oh so if it's not sahih then everybody that like qatada must be this evil person amash must be this evil person who hates the prophet and makes things up against him that's not true that's not true like people mix up things people sometimes they fabricate things unintentionally they it's called this amazing studies done in forensic psychology on false memories where people will assume things because they'll they'll think i'm pretty sure that is a hadith i'm pretty sure i've heard that and they haven't there's actually you know there's amazing studies and i've

cited this before um if if you look into them that will speak about uh people you know this false memory test and what you'll have is uh some as part of an experiment somebody will go to they'll go to certain people and say that look uh you know i'd like to share these memories with you i'd like to talk about them and in these cases uh people have had so let's say they've had prior exposure to uh the friends you know and family of this particular person um so what they'll say is i'd like to speak about five memories with you and these

are legitimate memories from childhood except in these cases one of them will be false they will be um completely made up so and there's a lot of research on this by i think elizabeth loftus uh has done a lot of research on this so what they'll say is for example imagine you've got a legitimate um you've got a legitimate memory i'm going through it's absolutely legitimate but in between there i make one up i say oh you know chad man yeah tell us about you know when you were six years old and you were left in in the mall and you felt you were stranded

and what's interesting is the false memory the one that the the the researchers has made up they've previously made it up the person will recall it and not only will they recall it they will add so much detail like true like sincerely they'll say yeah yeah absolutely let me tell you about that what happened is i was by this shop and this happened and this memory was fake like this did not happen and it's amazing they've they've looked into this about how witnesses sometimes uh can give false uh witness testimonies so you've got there's a whole science in this as part of

forensic psychology so people make mistake things and you know memory is a constructive another false thing that psychology has debunked now was people used to think memory is playback it's like i've got a you know i've got this video and i'm playing it back to myself this is memory psychology has debunked that memory is not a passive act it's not like oh i memory is constructive it's actually active every time you think of something your brain your mind

reconstructs it and now the interesting thing is you can inadvertently reconstruct it differently or maybe a tiny amount of detail you start re changing that but you're actually recalling it as a memory so this is uh this is incredibly fascinating there's a study by uh bartlett in psychology and he's where he he he's kind of like one of the pioneers of this are on the study of memory where he researches um how he has this uh he basically on this called story of the ghosts where he

he sets out this kind of experiment but anyway my point is it's not people like qatada that they're not necessarily evil people um they it's these kind of people are you know about you've got uh all these people they are massive where you see this explosion of hadith coming from them you know because what happens yeah yeah the the you know you've got like this kind of like cambrian explosion that comes forth from them because you've got prior to them hadith is like there's a few few

few few and then you know there's this huge they're like from the boxes yeah these powerhouses huge amounts of hadith come from them like it's all of a sudden there's this burst this volcanic eruption of hadith and that is you know you've got to place a question mark there definitely because prior to them it's like there's one hadith here one person two people three people and then there's like from these individuals there's like 50.

yeah you know it's like whoa okay and this is why imam malik you know it's fascinating imam malik when he died you know they uh they found he had this yeah he had a container of like thousands of narrations by zohari he never transmitted them exactly and and he used to say during his lifetime that i have so many narrations that i you know i'd rather i i was killed than to transmit them because this stuff like he knew is nonsense you know it doesn't it's not authentic but yeah we've got a yeah quite a few people are waiting it's been an absolute pleasure take care stay blessed

all right momo you're doing it let's bring momo in people assalamu alaikum um [Laughter] you are the chosen one momo you're the chosen one we've got some um the ummah is not in total peril after the last two you brought on alhamdulillah i was like a young guy youtubey and the first question he goes is who would you be who would you pick on the whose side would you be on between even

this is amazing yeah the young talent that you're seeing asked like these brilliant questions about christianity and he's quoting deuteronomy chapter 19 like in zakir knight oh my llama that's amazing man at 16 years impressive man very impressive i mean if we go back now time travel to us as 16 would be [Laughter] this is the problem you see okay let me just i meant us in the royal us

[Laughter] yeah so if i go back to when i was 16 and [Music] so what's going on what's alhamdulillah look at the that what the comments how are you sure man i'm good i'm good you know there's all this there was all this pallava that you're aware of online and uh it's under light it's it's gone good i like it i like it sometimes i it keeps you alive you're truly living in people's heads rent-free

[Laughter] i'm living in people's heads rent free huh that's the oh that's i remember reading someone's location once on twitter i found it really i've run it really quite genius actually it said that you know location under your skin [Laughter] that's so true i think i think i live like that with so many people just but you know i tell you something what's interesting to be fair i do know raquel

in real life and she and we are we do get along with disclaimer for yeah sure sure i mean look i'm not saying crazy people don't know people look the you know the interesting thing is this that you know all these people i i generally have a principle for the most part i will unless somebody publicly on a public platform uh is trying to just let's say attack me and do all of these things i usually for the most part just let people be yeah unless something is viral and i comment

on it but usually i won't go and like i know let's go pick on this person let's go pick on this person i'm not really interested these people will publicly gun for me you know they will do all these things make kind of like all these remarks and then obviously i'm you know my my principle is that look let them be but if if they try to troll you you have to totally decimate them and then they'll make all this kind of drama oh my god you know oh my god he's talking about oh my god and you think like a cha-cha

i think i think that's a fair principle i mean if you if you go after someone you can't then um you can't you can't then manage their reaction yeah their reaction is going to be their reaction because you get this like you had now uh asim qureshi sharing my thing attacking me yeah i i mean i i don't know maybe if asim qureshi did something in the past and i commented but i generally don't really speak about him obviously i don't really like that kind of jihadi mindset anyway but that i don't really you know i've you can see my monday night i've not

been gunning for these people uh you've got uh these other people my point is now that he shares something on a platform about me being some kind of despicable person now obviously i expose him for the kind of extremist nutcase that he is and and then he uh somebody sent me his his he's kind of whether it was tweets or whatever saying oh my god you know people think did you use your did he refer to you by your name oh my god oh my god uh why don't you uh get the lawyers

lawyers for me it's very simple you've gone for someone directly you cannot manage their if they if they come back and draw you with a thousand people then it's fair game it's a fair game especially as much as i'm very active on twitter as much as i love twitter it is probably one of the most toxic apps out there literally say one thing indirectly to some to alluding to something and then you wake up i mean one thing i've got to manage just to kind of manage my mental health on the app is i don't i mute my notifications on the app because someday you wake up and you wake up to like several threads against you and you know

there's no way of managing it at all i know this is why i i mean occasionally i breeze in and out of twitter i don't really uh i'm not very active on twitter reason being because twitter is just toxic it's just there's zero empathy yeah people are just there to troll people i mean the level of toxicity on twitter is just it's i think it's it's terrible honestly it's very aware because it grants this kind of anonymity like like you know like you can really be anonymous but still be

very well known on twitter if that makes sense so you can have anonymous no one knows who you are but you have 50k followers and this is what then gives these people you know this kind of uh uh like they just become these kind of monsters online like they will just hate on people hate on people hate on and just that becomes their thing you know like uh whereas you know you've got other platforms if people want to go on to youtube if they want to go on these other like show themselves and talk you know but but that's that requires skill and talent

and and my point to these people was that look it's interesting it is interesting how i unite the haters though this has been a special skill for you for quite some time it is it's it's from my it's from my karamat don't worry i'm already i'm already preparing to write the um the eulogy of when you pass

it because it's amazing you'll get these on one hand you'll get these extremists you'll get these uh feminazis these people who just hate all men you'll get these other kind of hard line matrali salafis you'll get these and they'll just all come together just to hate on me [Laughter] i love it though [Laughter] you know what you gotta give it the

arcade i couldn't do it none that all these things could bring the muslims together in the uk we can't even unite on how to do aid what's calendar should we follow but one thing we can be united upon is we must hate or move why not you know what i'll drink to that man why not okay i'll leave you here you must have loads of people on inshallah oh man

all right people that was mama in the house always awesome catching up i'm almost doing it doing and i've got to say so far that's three i mean momo uh slightly older than the earlier callers but still very young and it just goes to show that there is incredible hope um amongst the young people of this you know of this muslims in the west look at the you know you've got the the intellect the voice of reason the research momo himself studying actively in egypt different places you know it gives you

it it brings solace to the hearts to know that right who do we have waiting here people i alright shirazi let's see i'm good i'm good where are you joining us i am i come from seattle washington all right i gotta say you know you you you catfished us with that name

i wanna how did you get the name shirazi oh it's actually my family name uh uh they come from uh i did the ancestry thing and it turns out i come from iran somehow but yeah wow that's amazing man where are you joining us from seattle are you yes seattle yet all right

thank you for uh for everything since the crown deal is just like it's been amazing i've been watching all your videos and uh um i do have a question though about karamat right choker i would go for it so i i went to madrasa you know uh sufi school so uh we followed the alawi right uh so about they give us these stories about these awliya allah and some of them are ridiculous to be honest so there's like a uh i'll give you one story there's this big chef

they were uh they were on a journey uh and it was in the night and there was no food right so he's like okay i'll get you get some food he turns into a lion after praying to allah and god's hand [Laughter] right and uh comes back and eats the other guys no no no no no

that'll be a proper plot twist no i want to turn it to a lion he just went hunting and then brought the food back and they start eating right so i'm like and we were it was in the middle of a session right we were learning like the serial of the prophet and somehow somewhere the karamat of awliya went in there and they keep on telling us these stories i just want to hear about what's what's your thoughts on the karamazov of the early years do you actually believe in them first of all right okay so i don't believe in the supernatural kind of things like this um like i believe you see miracles

within the laws of nature yes of course i believe in miracles like that i believe that uh so for example life is a miracle i i believe that sometimes miraculous things happen like a person could fall from you know 10 story building but somehow miraculously be he still stays alive uh there could be a plane crash and although you know it's a miracle this one passenger survives these kind of miracles i absolutely believe in as does everyone and these kind of these are the kind of miracles that in life we like so we people pray for they may say you know somebody may be very seriously ill and you may

make a dua and sometimes you see miraculously somebody recovers you know they've doctors say you know it's very unlikely this person you know forget very unlikely they say sorry you know this person isn't going to make it but they do it's a miracle these kind of miracles of course i i believe and you know i pray that may everybody be able to kind of benefit from things and witness these miracles in their own lives that may their lives be touched by the hand of god but then you've got supernatural like these kind of uh astronomical la you know larger than life kind of things like like you said a person

uh you know i'm hungry oh you need some food okay let me just transform into a lion and i'll ah i'll go and hunt and i'll come back and yeah you know like i remember reading these stories about um there was such an such person who uh his murids were walking with him and they say to him you know uh like they kind of make this uh not sarcastic but they make this remark that [ __ ] you know you know how have you done this you know you could have had more dunya for example you could have earned something so he says oh you think it's money i want you you

think it's and then he says look over there and there's this like amount like a hill like a big mount here and it turns into gold and then what he'll as he walks the mount this mountain mini mountain walks with him made out of gold and then he takes the gold like a few pieces and he gives it somebody and and then he says to his mureeds that you think if i wanted gold you know i couldn't have it i chose to stick to allah rather than gold i just add on to that uh sometimes uh this story ends up getting updated uh yearly you know the new latest

software latest update right uh there are different differences has a different story and a different version of it so i'm just wondering how do they how did he come like is it was it already transmitted is it written somewhere because i i think i think there's like folkloric stories so what happens is they get passed down and along the way sometimes people will modify them as they tell like a moment ago speaking to somebody speaking about memory is constructive like we actually it's not passive as we re back to memory we recreate it

so uh without noticing it but we do so sometimes people will think yeah i'm sure this like somebody might say like imagine i've got a story about uh let's say sheikh abdul like maybe about junaid uh the famous sufi al-baghdadi now you might tell that story on to someone but you're not sure did he say junaid did he say abdul khadr al-jilani and then what happens is the other person he narrates it from you as oh well it's changes the setting a bit and then he narrates it to someone who says well i'm pretty sure he was talking about a

piece in india and then what happens is these stories keep morphing uh they get a life of that's from the mata of these stories really right the knowledge aspect of it you know how uh when he was 13 he was just you know there's like a one with this story right there was this student that was uh intellectually a little bit slower than the others right but he was so devoted to the chef you know how he was cleaning right he was so devoted for years and years and uh one time uh he ended up the students end up laughing at him like oh you just end up just cleaning after the

shaykh then the chef overheard right that story and the [ __ ] comes okay all of you just gather around uh let's uh let's do some uh liquid so the digra and the uh recited fatiha and the she got ejazza and he went back home and ends up making everyone in there muslim and he becomes a big chef just like that with the jazza from the chef he ended up knowing all the hadees all the quran just by the egyptians of the sheikh and i find it ridiculously honest but yeah i mean so you end up like uh respecting those stars like you know yeah right yeah so sometimes you know sometimes these

stories are there to it's like the moral so what they're trying to say is oh you need more adap so and you shouldn't be arrogant and then what they'll do is they'll come up with a story there used to be this guy that was a jahil but you know he had great other and then the moral of the stories he ends up becoming successful you know it's like the the tortoise and the here and but the tortoise wins in the end and so this is the kind of uh story that people will uh you know they'll they're trying to give some moral out of it but at the moral aspect fine i accept

that you know people should have good character you know you should humble yourself and you should and from that side i think these things are fine but they presented as real stories and then the people listening sometimes they then belittle knowledge because they will say things like you know even the shaitaan had knowledge like what is knowledge like it's not really uh you know this person had one glance of the sheikh and his life was changed you know that miraculous glance what they call another another you know in urdu they call it but this whole kind of that one navaratun you know another karama it

comes from the sheikh and you'll get all of a sudden miracles will happen and and yeah but in in the real world that's not going to happen unfortunately i saw this happening right when i was uh on my uh right because once i was done with that i just went to uh i went to the wahabis right i don't want to call the mojaves i went to a motherboard but the system is the same thing it's just that on this side it's they're more focused on that and i'm like there is no bond really with this uh just like you say there's like the systematization of the madras

institution it's ridiculous to be honest yeah and that's you know you've you've hit the nail on the head there shirazi the thing is that you see it's a cult and the problem is that people you can replace one cult with another cult but it's still a cult like so it's true the selfies on that note they don't have these folklores they don't have these stories and sometimes they even don't even have respect towards some of a lot of their teachers sometimes they do respect some but others they might treat them like huh you know and they and and that's a bit strange but but they don't have that folkloric in

all these decorations and don't have these great stories of like a hands coming out of the moon and this is coming out there and the flying tortoise and they don't they don't have these stories but then they are just that what they bring is a different kind they just bring this other darkness of this cultish puritanism everybody you know oh my god you know we're puritans we're better than the rest uh everything and it's just another it's an absolute cult so yeah the main thing well my question to you is how would you fix it mostly i said like a solution

that would that would be my karama if i could fix it you know that would be mean now i feel honestly what a person has to do what we have to do a there is a responsibility that we have to awaken people's reason like let and then just let them be in control of their lives like if you want to go i'm not saying to people don't go to these kind of sufi gas rings i'm not saying that go go i'm not saying to them don't go to these salafi gatherings go there be but have that you know awake make sure the lights are

on don't be you know this kind of like an acolyte like part of this cult follow them but if you hear something that does not make sense that why do why why do i have this god complex that everybody's going to hell except me you know like you need to be able to have this the lights on you need to be have these critical faculties thinking for yourself so i i do try to encourage people to to to realize i know people know this as information but it's not realized unfortunately with the muslims as well that

god does not require an institution for you to know him you know he is there for you like we do not it is not the the madrasa or the masjid allah is with you like it is okay you pray but salah or all these things or dua or just just contemplation does not require an institute you understand like these i'm not saying you need to necessarily people need to i mean personally i'm not part of these any of these institutions and i think they're toxic but i'm not saying to people they need to listen to

me and give up these things no it's your life but don't feel that allah is only through these people or through these groups allah is above that you know you know subhanahu he's above these things he's already closer to you than your jugular vein so if you see these the institutionalization of the deen and you want to be a part of it that's up to you it's your life your liberty to do so but just make sure that the light stays on yeah my thing is though there's no like uh

it's all institutionalized and you want to know you want to learn about your deen but you have to pick and choose uh which one to go and that that kind of like uh it's a disadvantage really if you think about it because you have to stick on there it's what they think you it's part of that of the syllabus i mean look islam like other religions has for many centuries been institutionalized i do feel that we do need to really break free of these shackles but my point when i was saying it to people what i'm trying to say to them is

you see you shouldn't br you to break free you need to realize it like you don't if you're only doing it because you're blind following me then that's just part of the problem no but that's not everyone is a musty mufti yeah my my point is that you see you i want you to realize that i i you know islam does not belong in an institution and that realization can come to you without being a mufti you can just see right for right and wrong for wrong you can see the elements of power elements

of control elements of cultish behavior and you can then realize that look surely islam did not come for these you know islam did not come to turn people into turn you know religion into a cult so yeah all right okay go for it i can't believe i'm talking to you right now okay it's an absolute pleasure man it's awesome that you're talking to us yeah this is uh more personal uh what if uh do you think if you were like a thob and the turban and everything and

become like a smoothie in the eye no so i i think yes um i would i i won't lie to you i think if i let's say i keep all my you know what people say i've got wacky wacko views or i've got fringe opinions or i've got like crazy whatever let's say wacko i keep all my wacko views even if i kept my laughter i keep my laughter but

i wear an imama i grow the side of the beard out a bit like let's just say even if i don't grow it massive but i grow out a bit i can keep this be at the same length let's say but i just grow this out a bit and i wear a thobe now i in my heart of hearts believe that yes my if it was for following my following would i feel it would easily triple um easily because the religious crowd there would be several people amongst them that are happy then to kind of share my things and to to do stuff because they would just say okay just

ignore his jokes but look you know masha'allah look what he's saying but you know i want to say something okay there's two two things here one right is you see primarily the people that i want to connect with i want to connect with this is a first thing i want to say and then the the second most important thing that the first thing i want to say the people i want to connect with the majority of muslims like at least 80 85 possibly 90 are actually disenfranchised muslims they're not that religious crowd okay

they're the voiceless majority of muslims who feel that they can't relate to islam because to relate to islam you need to look like that right so that so to me these people are much more important the religious people have got that you know they've got hundreds of thousands of mawlana's here so that's that point the second most important point i honestly if i did that it's not difficult you know i could just slap i've got a sobe or a gummies i could slap that on and put a hat on my head and say okay i suppose i can't keep growing the beard out every time but

okay let's say i grew it out it's no big deal beards are in any way it's fashionable now the truth would be that i know in my heart of hearts that this is just an act i am just doing this to gain a following or to have people accept what i'm saying now what will happen is when people because i'm not being genuine to myself i'm not being sincere you know allah first of all says you know this is the thing be sincere be true to you

about his theme right whatever that being is to you be true to it now what will happen is people let's say people who do have an issue with me this is where the drama will begin that oh my god look we caught him out looking like this we caught him out doing this we caught him out you know you're pretending to be this this pious person that you're that that you're not you just be real be who you are people some people will hate you some people will like you some will listen to you others won't it's okay people can look at me and say look you know what he's a nutcase i don't want to listen to him

it doesn't bother me but at least if they do listen to me they're not in for any surprises you know i'm not this this closet kind of like i'm pretending to be pious and then you're gonna come oh my god you know what i saw him i saw him the other day with this t-shirt on and he's doing like this and he's laughing his head off and he's what the hell you know i'm i'm being like that in public so you can say to me look oh i don't like you and i'll i walk away now that's absolutely fine but to me at least i'm being real i would have lived my life look when we reach you know there's been a very i've shared this before there's

been a very fascinating study done with uh you've got certain people in palliative care towards the end of their life uh they've you know unfortunately they you know they're suffering from terminal illnesses or whatever and they're about there's been studies done where some researchers have asked them what are some of the greatest regrets they've had in life right now what and they've kind of summarized them into the top five but one of the the greatest regret that people had in life was they said i wish i didn't care as much

about the opinions of others and i was just more true to myself but you know now that life with me is has reached its end like these people had something like five weeks left to live six weeks left to live like they were they were they they were dying and and they said that i wish i i did that like i i can't let look people care about the opinions of people who don't even know them i don't even like come on like like if you've got thousands of viewers let's say you wouldn't and you've got haters thousands even know them like

they have no input in your life if i was to care about them that much that i become fake i would rather just live happy live my way laugh my head off have my understandings and when that time comes that life is coming to an end at least i will feel that you know alhamdulillah at least i i lived happily you know i i lived in my way i was true to me you know whether and people around me i you know it was good like whether somebody living 5 000 miles away from me who didn't he didn't even really know me whether he hated me or not i don't care you know it's like to me

like what what difference does that make you know some guy who i don't even know [Laughter] so yeah i hope that shed some light right so your point is you don't want to reach you just want to reach the specific master's day i mean that's that's part of the point the other point is i feel that it wouldn't be genuine like i feel that it wouldn't and there there is a a little add-on point you could put there the add-on point is part of the shock factor does once again bring islam back to its roots because the truth is that in the prophet's time they didn't have this

uniform they didn't have this you know you would have seen like if you brought some of the companions today like in all honesty they wouldn't be allowed in some of these mosques you know they always they were allowed in it'd be just about tolerated to only just pray and leave come on like the companions had like braided hair some of them walked around topless you know like they just wore a sarong kind of thing they just they wouldn't be allowed to sit on a member and and won't even be allowed in the mosque yeah they would be right they had like the the self had like ponytails and they you know they had

like braided hair loads of different plats and things like that you think these people today would allow them in the masjid or they might allow them to pray and then they would ask them they'd never allow them to sit on a member so you see this facade of islam with this turban and this kind of thought it's not from the prophet anyway so why why sacrifice who you are for something that isn't even from this deen the deen began as strange something that was not you know islam and it will return to that state so i feel that

yeah like people look at me and they find it odd that how can you be a mufti looking like that but it's in the oddness that if they can manage to withhold their judge being judgmental nature they will find the trueness of islam so that's my uh kind of message but shirazi it's been absolutely awesome it's been a pleasure having you on take very good care of yourself salaam alaikum all right people quite interesting there some fascinating

questions we have here the comments sniff are you doing it with the super chat much love uh what's i'm no longer a mufti abu alpha i've ride the barman mariam said people are so judgmental it is so true maryam people are and it's uh it's a shame

um this week it is let's have some people who's waiting we've got over here right let me um [Applause] where are you joining us from um i'm from ohio us alright oh hi yo what's going on how are you doing is this something you'd like to share with us [Music]

comments or questions uh yeah i just wanted to uh comment on your uh criticism of like uh cetaphes and uh neo bundys i think they're the most successful islamic movements like everywhere they touch they made islamic schools you know in america and the uk pakistan india so why do you like criticize them insult them that much

okay okay so that's a very good point um right okay now uh sorry when you said the selfie have made schools what salafi have made schools or the dear bundys have made schools the diobolis hello the europeans have made school salafi salafis haven't really made they're not known for their mothers

would you agree or are we no uh yeah i guess so hello yeah yeah yeah so okay uh no i'm just i'm just uh just just focusing on the question so right okay so these two groups and it's interesting it's interesting that you put these two groups together or is that just because i criticize these two groups or is there a reason you see them close together or what do you i know just uh specific to you i guess oh specific to me okay right so i'm not against uh like i just said a moment ago if you were listening i'm not saying to people

you need to leave the selfies or you need to i just said that live just uh something like 10 minutes ago now what i'm against is this dogmatism i'm against cultish behavior and i'm against cults so yes i will dis people for that i will challenge them um but i feel that that's because it needs to be challenged if you you know if you don't challenge it um i i feel that's a disservice to the dean and look it doesn't mean that they've

done nothing good i feel that the abundance have your right they've established a great madrasa system in the past and it's trickled down till today but you see that what was great in the past has become poisonous today as well as in it's kind of like become contaminated with poison i'm not saying it's absolutely poison but it's contaminated um we see something that works amazing 150 years ago in this day and age you know just holding on because it was amazing you know it's like saying

if i don't know somebody in the village uh 100 years ago designed a particular cart for for for the ox you know oxen and things like this to plow the fields and it was amazing and let's say it was your great great grandfather and that's amazing he did that but that doesn't mean just because he did it you have to do it today today you can use a tractor you know technology has moved on so their madrasah system was great when you know they set it up that you know something about let's disseminate knowledge but look when they set it up did they not uh wasn't it maulana i

believe maulana kasim nanotv said uh as far as what i'm aware that they must teach sanskrit today what did the later the ubuntu say oh you should learn the ancient hindu language today that was over 100 years ago 100 years later they've gone eve they've gone in reverse you know it's like so i'm not dissing on theo bundys as a whole i think they've done amazing things as well but the truth is for this day and age in the west they are

outdated um and that's a huge problem problem so they need to either update or they're gonna just fall by the wayside and die out they're gonna become dinosaurs you know so i that's what i i uh feel it's the fact that they they so adamantly are against critical thinking this this that does bother me yeah i won't lie i think people need to be encouraged to think critically

i don't know if you agree with that uh yeah that gave me a different insight i guess um i have one last question no sure go for it and i didn't answer about the selfies i mean look the selfies it's a puritanist cult yeah i'm just being honest yes they've done some good things as well i'm not gonna lie they have done some good things um but but i i've never you know i've never said that none of these people have never done anything good i mean if unless i've said that uh are you aware of me saying that no no i've not in fact i'm on my monday nights with

the i can uh get the part for you on several i've actually said one of the blessings of the salafi movement was we they created a culture of once again reconnecting with hadith literature because the hadith literature had actually disappeared and it only re-emerged with the emergence of the salafi culture obviously they weren't called selfies then back then they were called either hadith or wahhabis or whatever people say but salafis this this whole culture what it did was it brought back this study of hadith and i think that's

amazing right and i've rated that you know yeah i saw your uh yeah did you say you had a your hadith series where you like gave an introduction you said that was happening in india right yeah yeah yeah that will i mean i think in one i focus on the indian tradition but yeah absolutely i think worldwide to be fair the selfies have contributed to the renaissance of hadith studies that's but with it came a curse

they re-concretized hadith dogmatism so this thing of like making bukhari super sacred this was the curse that you know that it brought with it so i feel that yes but they have done some things good i'm not going to say they never did anything good but they are a cult let's not lie i mean they they seem to be a clear cult um and but if a person is a selfie i'm not going to say to him oh my god you it's like i said a moment ago you need to think for yourself

did you say you had another question as well yeah i had another question as well um so for the hadoop you know the knees and wherever else it was they said well what about the authenticity of the hadith i mean can you tell us anything about that all right okay i mean right this general understanding that the aura is i don't i don't think that's a sahih to be honest with you uh because why because we know from the practice that's not how people were we know that in the time of the prophet

they weren't so uh you know men did used to show their thighs and things like this i don't mean they used to walk around always showing their thighs but when they would sit down because they wore sarongs they wore izars now they never wore them like like the kind of style that like indonesian people have today or some of these people where they have or like in bangladesh they have a lungi where you know it's like like a skirt that's all tied around like it doesn't you can't open but the the more traditional izar that they had in the time of the arabs or what is known as a a is where you have an open cloth

and you just tie it now with that when you sit down and you raise one leg what will happen is often it will kind of go be and especially when they used to ride on horses or they would ride on camels it would become like a thigh would become b so i don't believe that the prophet would have said that because it doesn't correlate with the normal practice and even the fifth doesn't recognize it because the maliki method says the only aura for a man it would say is just the solatan it's just the private part and obviously maharaja the kind of

the rectum as well but they would say that's it that it's not you know it's not the rest is not really you can call it an extended kind of aura like generally propriety issues we wouldn't just you know walk around just wearing trunks but but it's not haram or anything yeah yeah i always kind of rendered that very unrealistic that hadith always saw it like unreasonable so yeah look at this you got a question here which ties in isn't a cult just a religious group you don't like look at that

uh no it's not so for example i could um you know not like certain people's interpretations but they're not necessarily a cult a cult would be a a group that is based that is dogmatic anti-critical thought and it i mean it's very clear people will understand what a cult is so you know this sense of unquestionable submission to whatever the principles or whatever it is but yeah i just thought i'd just say that before you go but shukran ahmed yeah it's been absolutely driving you on uh

i hope you can like uh maybe debate fareed response or muhammad hijab or that one sometime it'd be very uh interesting to watch sure i mean i've i've actually you know i've actually asked them to come okay i haven't asked our man but i've asked fareed uh you see recently a little while back i can't remember now was it maybe three four four weeks or something uh back there was this whole fiasco on twitter he started to kind of this thing just erupted and i don't really use twitter much but it started where he said something about me then i responded and

he was like oh you child you this that blah blah blah i will annihilate you in this this this i said to him i said to him look how about you come on mind trap my show and he said you know what i'll do better than that i'll fly over to the uk i'll set up a whole arena for a debate i'll do and and i said listen superman before you go on to doing these great dream projects i said to him look stop the the drama yeah since and i actually said this on twitter it's still going to be there

i said since i'm a child yeah it should be easy to shut me up like think about it like i if if somebody said to me you know mufti you know they're so adamant on debating me and i know i know i can destroy the person easily it's just like a child in front of me in a debate i said look come on like i said forget this drama about i'll fly to the uk i said just tell me now and this evening we'll make it happen i said i'll make it happen let's let's do it i'll i'll i'll bring you in and let's have a discussion you know he wanted to discuss sahil bukhari i i want to discuss sahil bukhari i said look

let's discuss it because you worship sahil bukhari right let's let's talk about its authenticity you proved to me to be authentic right and let's have that discussion you you feel that since i don't know what i'm talking about it should be easy like come on like if you say to me or mufti i want to talk about the multimother but you think well he doesn't know or i think look you don't know much about it should be easy to have you know to just destroy yoona in a conversation because i know that i clearly would know all these things so similarly he claims that i don't know what i'm talking about on bukhari i said let's come on minecraft let's

have a a chat let's do this yeah i mean he's being too petty about coming on to your show maybe if you guys have it like on a neutral platform uh what is look like what is this i'm not going to attack him you know i don't know literally i'm not going to slap him am i like i'm not gonna attack him i'm not gonna harm him at any point he can come on and say a disclaimer that if i feel you're gonna do this i'll disconnect he just has to press that button disconnect and he's off like what what's that i'm a child he's publicly written you're a child i will humiliate you this is on his twitter

account it's the look what's i'm not gonna i guarantee i'm not gonna start swearing at him am i he's not gonna come on there i'm gonna go effing blimey blah blah blah he knows he knows i'm not going to do any of that i've done 40 episodes of mine trap i've never done that with anyone you come on you prove to me i will let you talk and you to tell me how prove to me sahil buhari the truth is this it's like jonathan brown he tried to challenge me and then he publicly had to state the truth he said that the in all honesty i'm under skilled in this i i don't have the knowledge or the research to be able to speak about buhari like that that's why

i can't accept your dialogue on it at least jonathan brown was being honest he said that on facebook because he publicly decided to attack me you know one of the problems these people i'll tell you what it is look these people look at me and they see some guy sitting there you know he's got a chain he's got an earring he's got this goatee spikey here what would this guy possibly know so they it gives them this false this kind of folks hope that they can go out and just say something so it's like jonathan brown came out and said ah you know must you believe i listened to his thing first of all it's not uh bunnani's

bernani he got his name wrong and then i was like so i i took a screenshot of the actual of the malikia tabakat and i put it on facebook i said it is just because i said there's actually 14 different scholars that share that name and the ones you're referring to are linked with the from the maghrib and this is from tunis it's bonana but you didn't know that did you you just assumed i wouldn't know so i said to him that because he kept saying i don't know what i'm talking about about sahil bukhari and when i said about the manuscripts and i said all these things

and you know the whether it was the sultana or whether it was yunini or whether it was all of these they said oh he doesn't know what he's talking about mufti doesn't know so i thought okay i said come on let's have a dialogue and when i started sharing my information and i've got a whole hearty gate video i say prove to me go on how difficult is it to prove to me ferrari is authentic just show it in a book and job done i show up right so but you can't do it you can't do it from somebody who actually knew for a brie you can't do it you can only do it from people who come hundreds of years later right so

so it's easy to shut me up to show me that i'm wrong now then here at least okay the decency he had is because so many people pestered jonathan brown on his facebook post saying look why didn't you just have a dialogue with mustapha then he openly on his post said look the truth is i don't have the research in this field so tk but these other people like you know gangutili and these people they the truth is that they're not skilled in this they just know how to debate shia they just know how to quote stuff and argue with the shia and okay the shia thing is not my special like if you ask me i'll talk

about shia resources and their kind of i mean their sources and their books and it's not my specialty i don't have the research in shia texts okay so i'm just gonna be honest with you look i don't have the research in that now i i would have to learn and i'm not really interested in learning about all that kind of stuff so so i'm just being honest like if it's not my forte i'm not gonna get involved so but with these people because everything rests on sahil bukhari and obviously it shook their world that bukhari rests on this bacharach and neither here neither there

you know he's just he's just been like glorified for no particular reason nobody actually vouched for him and and i just said look bring me one person that new ferrari that said he's reliable and i will everything right here just i accept what you say you cannot bring me a single person that knew fabri and could vouch for him and yet this whole dogma of islam that you make the quran go around bukhari is built on the back of the you know on the shoulders of this one man one man one man and look what he's done to this ummah

i'm not saying it's his fault i'm not saying it's his fault he just did what he would have done you know he he for him it was just an investment he was part of this he was involved in the project whether he got it wrong right whether he got it wrong whether he was reliable whether he's unreliable we don't know because we don't know anything about him we just know he's this guy who had a bunch of students and his claim to fame was this that's his claim to fame you know why wouldn't you jump with fame you know something's going to bring you money it's going to bring you fame look at all these colors somebody said to me a moment ago look mufti be honest if you wore a thobe and you wore a hat and you did this would you not get more

followers i said i i'm certain that they would exponentially grow if i was to do that and and this is and he's asking me surprised because the truth is most people out there if something will bring them some value they would take it you know it's capital at the end of the day if and when it's a commodity they would wear a thought they and then they get later on caught out for being fake now this thing brought him fame this brought him money bought him wealth he bought him status i'm not saying he was an evil person i'm not saying that he was just like every other human who's who saw an opportunity and took it

but nobody told other people to be stupid you know just because a person had an opportunity and he took it you don't need to be blind you can still think okay wait a minute hmm this is this is a bit dubious but yeah you know to me to be fair for uh farid however you say his name i feel like he's kind of tied up um to an extent because a large part of his audience is like hardline uh hardliners you know hardline selfies so he tries a lot he tries really hard to please his audience he can't he doesn't really have any flexibility when it comes to why he shares his content i you know i i agree

with you 100 ahmad and this isn't about by the way what i'm saying isn't about him uh this is generally and i think you know what you've said you've hit the nail on the head that that is exactly the case with most of these preachers the most of the preachers ironically the crowd that follows them actually controls them it's weird because the crowd you like

he's from the bravery community yeah he's you know same thing you know when when we had this thing with shaykh when we were off camera he was absolutely decent with me you know very friendly cracking jokes doing all of this as soon as he put his camera on obviously our camera was still rolling we just haven't released we just haven't released our footage right but obviously his camera when he put his camera on he'd go serious he wouldn't crack jokes he'd be very anti-me but as soon as the camera he stopped his camera he was very friendly he was like oh don't you remember we were this we met up in damascus don't remember we did

this we did that and oh yeah man you know otherwise would he even call me mufti no off camera i mean on camera never call me mufti it'd be like abu leith you know but uh but off camera absolutely friendly because he doesn't have a personal problem with me even though he disagrees with my views which is fine he even thinks i'm pretty certain you see a lot of these people say this they say oh yeah you know mufti is the kind of person would like to hang out with but you know it's just his views shaykh was messaging me at that time was saying oh yeah you know how about we hang out more and we do this

and then he went on his lives he was saying i'm a deviant and then i exposed that i said look oh look he messages me in the morning saying hey we should hang out and then in the evening he's doing a public speech saying i'm a deviant and at the job now obviously then he got offended and blocked me but my point was that look these people are only doing this because of the pressure because the following expects that of them that the following says you have to be in a certain way you know i remember years ago yeah i was on uh this kind of platform

about it was called something like uh multaka or something as a whatsapp platform i think it still exists but they used to this is years back when it probably now it's much bigger but at that time it had maybe 50 people on there but it had all these shares on the they had all these other people on the you know they had a meeting

they would hold these meetings i went to the meeting because i was on there as well obviously they hated people hated me on there but at that time because i never had monday nights with mufti my views maybe all my views weren't known and my views were still developing but these when we were at this place and it's got loads of these and all these people on there they're all friends they're all you know eating together or they're talking together pray together you know massaging each other's egos which is fine which is fine taking photos individually yeah i said to them i said how about

you know such and such or whoever they were that organized it takes a group photo of you guys of you guys even if you don't want me takes a photo of you guys and she's sick ah no no no no no no they go and i said but i don't understand why even chefs are here all these people they said no no no no no no why why why not [ __ ] they said oh because you know our followings are not that mature yet they're not i said but isn't this your show unity you know you've got abrilvi you had like uh maulana gul there from uh representing the brave sunni community who i respect a lot by the way and

you had so you had uh braille there you had salafi you had these other i said this is a perfect example to show unity and they not so much the braves they they were fine the others she hathed them i remember him being very vocal no no no no we can't do that mufti mangir are saying no no she's saying no no no we can't do this because our followers can't see this yet ready for it they're not mature enough but this is the problem isn't it that you're just feeding because you're afraid that your congregation are gonna you know disown you yeah but yeah i've i've gone on for a

while right ahmad this been an absolute pleasure man evening wherever you are right people are right sorry for that little rant there you're doing it people you're doing it uh thereby you're doing it doing it awesome i did uh i know you'd come on there as well but and then gone off so my apologies for um for not being able to take you on the live if you if you come on i will take you on all right um all right so session 89 he talks about his meeting with ali thaw and said they

debated for hours yeah we did um i'm pretty sure yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah this uh yeah yeah they were surprised as well they were surprised they underestimated you know i don't i don't blame them i like it it gives me the element of surprise you know they bring people to debate me and they look at me and think

and i'm thinking don't worry the joke's on you because my mind is active all right let's see who we got here people uh let me all just um we've got tea shop chiller tea shop chiller where are you joining us from uh london london all right well laughs

what are you doing awake at this ungodly hour i i just had the worst sleep schedule ah well welcome to our world right what so uh do we have a name for you by the way or you can go with t-shirts that's fine that's just a dumb youtube name my name is uh alvey alvey all right

uh it's awesome to have you on here as the something you'd like to share thoughts comments questions so uh i wanted to ask you um your thoughts about like uh the culture of like cynicism in the muslim community and uh one thing that i've always felt since uh since i was a child is that i've always felt as though being muslim kind of uh entitles you to a sense of like cynicism about the future of the world or just society in general and it feels if i felt as though it just to sorry to interrupt do you mean you see just to be clear when you're

saying cynicism do you mean by that a kind of uh a pessimism or do you mean just because cynicism is generally like you know you like you question things you know you doubt the sincerity of things um you're very skeptical about certain things you know like you don't take them to be necessarily genuine unless proven yeah you're not you know if somebody says look i do this you think maybe it's up to something is that what you mean or do you mean like a negative like pessimism like they think the future is all bleak and doom and gloom um i think both in the sense that uh we

have a cynicism about um say uh uh for example like if there's a will subscribe to you generally the the more negative opinions with regards to the state of the world so uh for example um if someone were to suggest that the society would become was becoming like less violent then we'd be like cynical about that claim i feel as though because it wouldn't uh muslims generally subscribe to the world visa the world is getting worse as time progresses and so it wouldn't make sense for the

world uh well said alvi that's actually very um you know spot on that unfortunately unfortunately i don't believe islam but i believe you're right that muslims many muslims maybe not all but many muslims uh they subscribe to a kind of like a um you know it's it's it's like a very bleak perspective almost a kind of uh dostoevsky and kind of very uh doom and gloom about the future humans are all

doomed and you know it's a bad place i mean i i get the fact the world can be a bad place i'm not denying that but yeah to them it's it's like you know like things are just getting worse and then they have these hadith like every year that comes will be worse than the one that comes after and um and and they use these kind of narrations and it's a very medievalist world view so much of the world viewed the world like that in the medieval ages um like in europe that was a very common uh world view and it's interesting from economics

uh they discussed the prosperity of economics began as people started to once again have faith in a future because like if i've run a business i've have to run it on the hope that the future will be better like because otherwise if like let's say i have to give you something on credit or you have to give me something on credit or i we have to take a loan or we have to arrange a contract these things only work if there's a in our minds a promise of a better future like i you know if somebody's going to give me a loan or

i'm going to give somebody a loan it's only going to work if i think well next year there's going to be money around and we're going to be around and the person's going to pay me back so hence in the past uh even though these things did exist people gave loans and stuff but with ridiculous interest and stuff like that but why did banks emerge at such and such stage throughout human history the social narrative kind of got upgraded to a possibility of a future and hence it ties in with things like the industrial revolution and stuff like this when people start to see oh wow okay this is happening that's happening but yeah i do

i don't feel that that's you know if you look at the quran and the sunnah you don't necessarily see you see the thing about by the way the thing about looking for resources looking into our sources is it's a bit it it's like that beauty is in the eye of the beholder you see if you are pessimistic you might find certain verses of the quran that appear to be pessimistic i'm not saying they are but they appear they can be read that way you know but if you're optimistic you will find

optimistic things and so what happens is these people find those pessimistic things and they just keep reiterating them and you have to remember there's been the whole you know several hundreds of years of colonialism when people were living in bleak times they were living in you know like everything was downtrodden they were suffering they were victims and it felt like the world is coming to an end because in muslim history this had never happened that for generations islam remained subdued

like islam in the past like you had the mongol invasion you had different things it was horrific catastrophic but it lasted a few years maybe sometimes things last one generation and then the situation always recuperated but what happens with the colonial period is unprecedented you know this the old balance shifts and it does not get restored you know generations like think about it i would grow up i would die a natural death if i lived a natural death my children would grow up by a natural death their children would grow

up very much and it's still horrendous like muslims are completely subdued um this is unprecedented like people thought has god failed us has have the scriptures lied to us and to them it's understandable to think you know what the world's just gonna end so and it's in this era that we we are still living a lot of that islam right now because if you think about it look the deobandi tradition emerges then the brave tradition emerges then from the british raj the salafi tradition emerges then

from the colonial period the most of what you have of islam today even a lot of the sufi modified sufi tariqas that we have the modified things are from the era of the last three four hundred years when colonialism and the scales had been tipped so you can you can see hmm you know this and those people were just writing their thoughts that look oh the world is all doom gloom you know it's human it's better to uh you know just live an ascetic life give up the dunya

you know end of times end of times but yeah and it's hard but whereas look when you look at the hadith the prophet says [Music] the final hour comes and one of you is planting or if he's eating a meal and he lifts his that kind of you know that that morsel to his mouth let him carry on eating and now if you think about it look i'm planting something the world is coming to an end that doesn't make any sense does it why

should i carry on planting i mean there's a tsunami erupting there and i should be worrying about a plant but what the prophet was trying to teach you was that peace of mind that kind of stillness that in some ways like when voltaire said one must cultivate their garden you see this thing of like you carry on you know you're here to make things grow if the world comes to an end it comes to an end and i think even though it's in some ways it's you know almost allegorical obviously because but it's so profound when you think about it and that's in sahih muslim

but you're right this message has kind of sunk it's capsized over time yeah but i hope people into a lovely story i hope inshallah yeah yeah well i've noticed like um a lot of muslims have like a susceptibility to conspiracy theories because of this like because it kind of reinforces like like the world view uh that kind of like uh cynical world view and also we have like a distrust of future generations like a lot of um religious figures are seen like uh often talk about like the youth in like

the the word youth almost has like a negative connotation uh because of its association with like modernity or the future and uh i think a lot of that is kind of like it feels like alienating to some degree like uh as someone who like participates in like uh modernity or is like considering themselves young there's almost like a sense of detachment and alienation that you feel uh because of a lot of this like rhetoric and uh i was wondering do you do you see any like um do you see that as like a trend that's like likely to continue like with future generations we always have that mistrust of like

i i i'm hopeful that it will change and i'm hopeful that it will change from the west because muslims growing you see because what's happening is you see young people young people like yourself alvi like and people that have come on the show today like they are kind of they face the brunt of these so this thing that you said like the youth is looked up upon as like are misguided or like a lost cause and unless you be like us uh sometimes people are strong-armed they're kind of told well ah like because i don't like what you're saying i will say oh this is what

what's in the quran or you don't like it then you're going against the quran and what happens is sometimes you stronger on people to saying well okay and then they just ditch religion because they don't they're not trained to be able to answer it and they think well okay well in that case you know this can go to hell but i feel that people now there is a bit of a voice it is emerging that people are starting to question this time to think uh it's time to rediscover faith for themselves i think some of the young people that came on this show today they they are a testimony to that

and i am hopeful that it will restore somewhat of a balance in the years to come inshallah um because look you can like somebody like you asking this question in a certain part of the world would have traditionally you would have been shunned you know people would just tell you off or even asking but yet here you are you're asking and you yourself are as an individual proudly embracing the faith you know it doesn't matter like like people might say to you oh no you need to accept every year is negative and you're like look that doesn't sound like islam to me but you can't chuck me out of islam you know

this is my as much mine as it is yours and i think that is that that is a testimony that people are starting to reclaim this yeah come on alvi it's been an absolute pleasure man thank you for your time you're very welcome stay blessed there you go people alright the that was the tea shop chiller people of right let me see um it says some people are trying to arrive come on let's see who can we who can we get on here who's been waiting of right

now's notes has been waiting for quite a while let's get on news notes assalamu alaikum you can hear me all right right now now we can yes now we can okay all right where where are you joining us from i'm from the united states just like most people right we do in it nor are you doing it all right well it's

allen is the some thoughts comments or question you'd like to share yeah yeah two questions sure sorry for some reason sorry the connection the line is quite yeah it seems to keep kind of yeah i'll just i'll just i'll try to make it super brief uh do you think there's a dominant narrative uh for like islamic view in the west like uh like a sect kind of or like a men hedge or something like yeah and um do you think it's different

online versus like in real life okay all right okay so is there a dominant sect within the western muslim world and then if so is there a contrast with the real world and the virtual world is that have i understood the question that's the question yeah i i do yeah i do i do actually i think um you see if you're looking at just um we're just looking at figures of you know just numbers stats that's what we're looking at

the majority of the muslims um i'm assuming are very of a very suffic background whether they know it or not but that's if you're just looking at sheer numbers that's all that's what the majority of the muslims on the ground would be even if you count masjids um definitely within the uk the uh braille community is the utmost majority clearly dominating major majority which is a very suffic folkloric kind of cultural uh kind of islam but yet um

and even though the us isn't as um folkloric but it's still i'm assuming the sufi thing is still quite strong but online there's an entirely different story online i feel things like the salafi dawa is actually probably the dominating voice online uh the other even if you think about it let's say the salafi um denomination worldwide they wouldn't even represent you know it'd be difficult to say that

they are even 10 of the of the muslims worldwide i i don't even believe they would be 10 that would be a stretch uh to say that the salafis are 10 i'm assuming salafis are probably like five percent of the muslims um and that's even that's generous um i'm being generous when i'm thinking five percent i don't think salafis are even five percent of the muslim yet if you looked at the presence online you would think 95 percent of that denomination but just because

they have really owned this game of social media of uh being on youtube being on uh writing for on forums even if you do research in arabic you know nine out of every ten if not you know 95 out of 100 of all the websites that will come up whenever you're searching something will always be selfie um which is quite surprising considering that you know majority of the institutes in the world like i mentioned are not selfie so yeah that's um you're right there would be it's intriguing there's a huge mismatch

so if you just lived online you would assume that this is the reality and this is why salafis sometimes would actually believe that they are they're much larger than they actually are and in some ways it's not their fault because when they're on these forums they are so huge in in in just the availability of these forums so they assume that they are like at least 50 percent if not more you know like you'll hear some of them saying that they are the majority of the muslims and you think like what are you even on about like you could take a country like pakistan i mean as an example you could take other countries and just

look at how many salafi mosques are there in the country there would be a random little mosque in some tiny places and then in some of the cities they will have some but that's it they're not actually a tiny minority i mean there's much less selfies than the in terms of figures than they are shia and look at that you wouldn't believe that would you because you wouldn't realize that the shia shia are probably what 15 percent of the muslims worldwide selfies are not even that but but through a world through a online presence they are like the majority clear

dominating majority they're like i would assume definitely over 90 percent of the presence online is salafi which yeah that's that's just wow it's quite i mean do you have fair play do you have like uh a reason why that is right that's um right that's interesting um why is that

right i mean one i don't know actually that because every reason i say i could think of let's say i could think of reasons but one could you know they could also be false positives because you can find that in other groups as well but then why are they not as dominant i would assume that what you see for whatever reason for whatever reason um when the internet it's definitely associated with the internet i mean initially okay if you go pre-internet it was

associated with just having funding okay so they had money um i don't think that today is the reason but it definitely helps but in the past it was the reason so initially if you go to the 90s in the 90s the selfies just had money printed glossy material and just shipped it everywhere i mean if you wrote to the selfies they would just send you a bunch of stuff i was in pakistan in a village yeah um this was the year 2000 and because in pakistan it wasn't easy to get hold of arabic material i mean i

used to study in islamabad but i would have to go to a library and i didn't really i had my own books which were whatever they were but it's not easy to get new material in islamabad now and this is in the year 2000 i've wrote a letter okay i wrote a letter handwritten to some you know majama some kind of organization charity organization i just got some address of it in saudi arabia i just wrote to them that hi this is who i am i'm currently in pakistan i love to learn more about islam and i was just wondering if you could send

me any books and material they shipped an entire box full of books obviously selfie books to my village i mean it came to a village and they just shipped it free of charge there's i got glossy books and and and to be fair i appreciated it because it gave me something to read so in the 90s this was it was to do with just money they just had money printing glossy material shipping it out everywhere if you said to them you want to set up a salafi mosque because the people around you are just people of vida and you wrote somebody in

saudi arabia most likely they would have funded you but what happens in the mid 2000s is the rise of the internet now the rise of the internet seems to be a bit more spontaneous and indigenous i don't think that necessarily was because people were paying them or giving them money i don't think that doesn't add up so it just seems to be that they seem to have more of a drive than other groups and yeah and they just kind of like dominated the entire internet because they because they got there first and they just proliferated

so yeah okay because i was but i think it's fascinating i was wondering how we can like change that narrative because i agree with you i think cedafia is like the dominant narrative online and if there's a right now but i'm not sure if you know i don't know if that can be changed to be honest with you i mean i think it can be it's not that okay i don't okay it's not a question of potential because i think it can be but will it be changed um i think it might be changed through

things like this like youtube so you might get on youtube i'm not anybody because people just recording things putting them up but generally literature online still um for it to change people have to take an interest and the problem is the main the non salafi sector even though it's huge it just seems to be apathetic towards this like it doesn't there's a sense of apathy it's not interested like look at look you could take for example the largest institutes of muslim learning

throughout the arab world salafi al-azhar you could take a lazar it has a useless website yeah it's not really helpful it doesn't have i mean this is one of the most let's take the three most ancient islamic universities in the world old sunni or non salafi yeah you've got al-azhar you've got and you've got uh zaituna not sheikh hamza yusufs but the one in tunis now these are the ancient some arguably from some argue from the time of the sahaba they argue zaytun is a

continuation from up by you know ibrahimovic and whatever but the point is they are at least over a thousand years old now you've got these three institutes not one of them as azhar is probably the most developed out of them today it has a useless website right not very you know it's not it's it's just naf it's not zetoona doesn't even really have a website i mean if you go and say tuna this is not hamza yusuf's by the way not just not to mix it up i'm talking about the arabic james in tunis the website's just to do with it'll just have a timetable of if you

want to join the university and it's in it's useless it'll probably give you the time of salah and nothing else are we in useless nothing there i mean these are the most ancient and how difficult is it like think about it for the wizard of the ministry of religious affairs all they have to do is get a bunch of young graduates yeah like people in their 20s and just give them a bursary for a year just give them you know whatever it is a bursary and they just have to put all this stuff and they have a year's project to put it all on their website make their website

current it's not difficult it wouldn't even take for a ministry in a government that's not even pocket change i mean that's just ridiculous like that's nothing for a government like that kind of money just paying a few bursaries for like even if they paid 10 people a bursary to completely transform entire website into an encyclopedia and give them a 12 months project i mean they probably spend more money on that you know the government officials are probably spending you know taking that more than that much out for themselves uh but yeah but there just is an apathy there isn't an interest to do it whereas the

salafis seem to be keen so they seem to be they want to do that so if you take even the sufi tariqas which are worldwide so widespread but the sufi tariqas are not keen on knowledge because to them if you start encouraging knowledge you will end up undermining their authority so that they don't usually like and when they do promote knowledge it's very low level it's just like oh learn riyadh learn this masha allah he's a story about imam know he he is a story about imam azad they're not really interested in proper proper knowledge because

if you start promoting all of that one a lot of those mashiach of the sufiya i hate to say but a lot of them are not very clued up when it comes to islamic knowledge they're just very rudimentary okay not rudimentary but it's just above you know it's it's at best mediocre like it's their knowledge of islam is very mediocre they don't know about all these fatah and stuff and most of the sufis because nobody asks them they don't need to know it to be a sufi you just need to give up do this they can't do that but salafi now come on his students are going to be like oh but what's this hadith what's that hadith and he has to always be

you know on edge but it is true these institutes are to do with knowledge al-azhar is an institute of knowledge to say tune is an institute of knowledge harun is an institute they are academic institutions they should at least have encyclopedias on their website but maybe maybe let's hope but it's been an absolute uh pleasure taking a look at these questions nor uh shukran for sharing them all right so you're welcome take care stay blessed all right people we've got let's who have we got here

am i live i actually put the alarm clock to get up early and listen to you no way yeah no for real

i would have i would have shown my face but i fear getting stabbed i'll be honest with you anyway um may the lord protect you i mean always and if i do die die i wanted to ask you three um not questions but i had i wanted your insights on three issues first is to do with reason i thought for a moment you were gonna say i want to ask three questions

i thought is this it am i in the grave is this is this the afterlife how do you see in my face you would have definitely thought i was if not not here i don't like here uh i'm sure we can win them over i don't know you have to you have to really bribe them with a lot of savage etc do it in advance

so so three issues the first is to do with the reason the yeah the next one is to do with a um the third one is to do with history well the first one you have spoken about it before is uh regarding reason now what if reason leads me away from faith which is very possible and plausible to some extent what happens if that is the case if one genuinely using reason goes away from the faith and chooses his own path what will be his outcome on the day of i'm not saying you know his outcome nobody does only allah but what could be his possibility i

would i would be even surprised if i answered it like that i would be like huh did i know i'm just clarifying other people yeah you see look these things are this is the price of the of true faith that what that is no no i'm not saying burning in hell but i'm saying the price is that people have the right to reject it right that is like you know when allah is saying

that is the price of iman that you have to allow people to arrive they've had it themselves if they're not gonna arrive at it then okay it's up to them now as to does that mean they are doomed i've said before that it does not mean that they are doomed and i feel that if a person uses his reason or her reason then inshallah that it can be salvific why not i mean and many scholars have kind of quoted that they've stated and i do mention yeah yeah and probably even will surprisingly held the view that like if you did not reject it arrogantly or

something as it knowingly did not reject it you probably could have another chance but here is what i wanted to know mufi even more than that you had uh baithawi stating that a person who he clearly says uses reason and disbelief and he says that your javi you still hope that person has salvation because at the end of the day he just did what was responsible of them

not wolfy now as attractive and abusing this concept sounds to me i i absolutely love it but the problem is do we have anything from the quran or even from the authentic sunnah that would you know give backing to this we serve as an evidence to this claim do we have so that you know we find some sort of comfort in knowing that okay if someone is genuinely trying their best using reason and probably you know swinging away from the true path the true path as we know it do we have anything like that in the quran

yes of course so i mean so first of all uh let's just take first of all begin with the hadith which i cite often yeah so the hadith is to do with the person who is uh he he he's about to pass away he's very famous and he says to his uh his children that when i die that can you cremate me and catch marshes and do all of this now the question is why and they ask him and he says well because you know i'm afraid that allah allah will you know otherwise take me to

account and and this way you know i don't want to be taken to account so they say and in the story it mentions uh sorry it's just bringing this up right it does mention in the thing that allah asks him why did you do that and he says i did it because uh he says i did it because i feared you and i feel the consequence right and allah said well fine now what he's saying but what's interesting is the akida let's just dissect the akita was that he felt when he was

telling his children this to do this he's telling his sons allah cannot hear him so allah is not all hearing and he was telling them that look when you when i die i that he'll be able to revive him the fact that there will be no sorry uh resurrect him the fact that there'll be no resurrection he believes that there is no akhera for him like if you just take the kind of beliefs that this person had together right it is sharp you know it's uh

it's clearly covered by all standards i would like to interject a bit you say i'm not saying that this is what you produce but is this not a less intensity if we want to go with that word then rejecting the concept of god itself or worse than that believing in a god with an elephant head something like that is the intensity does it not make an interesting case right okay i i see what you're saying

but okay so first of all let's come into and we'll come back to this let's come in other religions yeah so so okay you we want to bring and take a look at hinduism but first of all has islam spoken of other religions in this country the famous verse 62 in the letter all these people that you know that if they do good deeds that they are saved now this is uh right and the interesting thing is people try to say that this is a abrogated they try to say no you know

they do something worse than that they i have seen it in sahih with assad international they changed the grammar they change the grammar and say those who were jews and christians not are they put that chant like turn are into air but this is deeply i think hypocritical is

it's not in the past tense it's current so yes and so the commands of allah can be people say it can be abrogated but not his promises this is a statement i mean it's not a command here so okay now coming to hinduism right okay the question is that okay what about hinduism and stuff like this with it they've got let's say they're worshiping uh idol gods and things like this now what look the way islam first of all there's a there's layers to this first of all

if they were to reason most of the people believe that in reason that is god like i'm being honest even they in hinduism when they do reason they don't believe that ganesh or these people elephant god whatever is actually god like they believe that this is yes a manifestation but they actually believe that god ultimately is just brahman but then there's different aspects of brahman so they would say that you've got the kind of cosmological aspect which is paramatma and then you've got the god

that deals with humans which is ishvar that aspect of god and then what it is is god allows this system of three so you can have brahma vishnu shiva and these three create is the cycle of life and destruction and they reincarnate as these are the little as these other lesser gods like haram and all these other people uh and then you've got mythologies like an elephant head you know cuts this head off puts an elephant ahead and does all of this now yes they practice that as superstition they practice that as as kind of false

beliefs but even if they were to reason over it i i doubt that they would in the reason actually agree that this particular statue over here is actually the creator of the universe i don't think anybody would actually no they they don't i think this is one of the faults of the muslims is that we project our concept of theology to other faiths i've noticed it quite often and especially debates with christians you know take take the issue of muslims what they will do is they would go back to deuteronomy or let's say genesis leviticus they'll bring up and

say oh look your bible says this the christian does not care what the bible says his way of looking into christianity is is different and this is you know one of the problems of salafiyah by myself this is one of the reasons i don't want to show my face uh no but what's interesting is that the salafi you know the hadith of the indian subcontinent they had a tradition that was so enlightened but it wasn't followed by the other but so i often when i quote my tafsir and i quote uh uh

[Music] you know what in defense of the salafia one of the greatest i i heard your discussion with news notes uh it was great but but i think you could not find out the reason why it was such a success many people attributed to true dollar which may have been true right like you said pre-nineties but you know what it really comes down to

is the salafia movement as absurd as it may seem to many people is a is an amazing empowerment movement i'll tell you how look the the concept of the quran and the sunnah and literalism yeah what what exactly do you need all the skill that you do need all the skills you need is you need to be able to read nobody needs that now you can just watch videos but the other thing once you have the backing of the quran and the sunnah

you can go on an iconoclastic mission which mufti let us say there's a guy who is 15 years of age now mufti for example you've got sheikh hamza yusuf you've got the cambridge muslim academy who you've got timothy what's his name the guy with fancy accent i forgot his name see these people like we you know we've got the institute and they give great reasonings they give great lectures but there's something missing every statement they make is not backed up

with uh with a reference like i'm not saying there is no reference but they do not write the reference so it's not what happening it's not empowering because and i have heard you said it uh i've heard you say that you know the salafi says yes says this but on the other hand you have rasulullah saying this which one are you going to take and you reiterate that what if instead of saying malik says this how about we say this is what imam alex thinks rasulullah may have said or was the sunnah this i think there is a tactical problem

i really think yeah and mufti you know what there is a re there is a way you can really challenge the therapy and i have written to you on instagram you did not get back to me i'm really upset please do get back to me okay yeah when we finish this send another message and i'll check because i know you don't want to share the life of it so yeah okay all right

i watched your discussion with uh dr mehdi hassan which was amazing it was brilliant you brought up and here i come with my second ques not question i'll say issue is to do with history or probably it was the third one the concept not the concept of that by the history of imam and imam al-humble they're amazing imams and great people great personalities but they were not from the salaf they are not from the cell of assalahine and the reason the salafi movement it gets such empowerment is we're going back to the

righteous predecessors but it really ends with imam like really the generation of imam malik then um he had some really blasphemous view the salafis would think if you quote the views without his name of sana'ani they would get heart attacks recent famous or are we talking you're not talking about this i'm talking about the early one

the thing is what if we reclaim the tag of salafism because i i've i heard that discussion and you said that the modern salafi it's basically even though they like to say that we don't want any mother but what they're really doing is they're merging whom i love by the way i don't agree with him completely but i love him and the fair of ibm they're merging it together they you know cook it up and there you go the salafi movement i think if we go back and say to them i'm musti look you and i love this

really imam malik has the golden chain he brings the hadith in the golden chain and rejects it we don't know we don't care what it says i don't see it all the practice amongst the people what if this was brought to their attention look i know yes you love the salaf but the salaf did not view the hadith the way you view hadith i mean rejection that is what we generally say to them this is the argument but you see the reason i agree with you that the reason why it's empowering for the masses is because the cellophane thing is

empowering because what you're doing you see this thing like with the with the mathematics like let's say you're going to imam malik you're looking at reason you're showing this it requires like reason it requires comprehension it requires it's not like saying here's the hammer let's go and start whereas with the selfies all you do is you say to them look here's a book of hadith it's called sal bukhari shreed through it and keeping in mind that the backdrop is non-salafi and it's going to clash so whoever disagrees so whoever disagrees with you quote this

and then ask them to bring their evidences now because most people won't yeah if they do bring evidences it's going to be a theory which in a simple head-on clash doesn't sound like because one person's going to say look it's like how you said a moment ago like one person's gonna say look here's a hadith and you're gonna say oh but imam abu hanifa said this and they're gonna say ah but i'm bringing the prophet you're bringing this now to the public person wins so that is true from a very low level i agree with you that this is why and you're right now it's not that you know it's it's good that you mention this

because it resurfaces that is definitely one of the the reasons why the salafidawa spread like wildfire whereas yeah it was faster than you know if the string theory of the vibration you increased it by two times it spread faster than that which which you know what it results in is two things and i have seen it so many times apostasy or extremism there is no middle ground really i have seen mufti i i've i've had [ __ ] ton of i'm sorry for using

the word i have had so many friends so many friends who got into the whole salafi thing including myself with tremendous passion yeah and then some started sympathizing with mumbo-jumbo people the others they were full-on apostasy brutal apostasy one thing is because this you know this this it's not what happens is you know this empowering thing it empowers people who have a nature to want that like sometimes people and this isn't just to do with religion but sometimes people generally they want to

lash out at things like they don't like certain things or they you know the kind of person is very like oh just uh wants to tell people off and don't get me wrong everybody can have that side to them but with this dawah you now have a license of saying now and you hammer smash you know this iconoclasm this you go around this iconoclastic movement smashing the idols of of of people now you know this method of that method and but what it does is it fuels this easy for a moment like

in fact it will bring huge momentum but as you grow as you need to go to the next layer this thing it burns out and it burns out so rapidly because it it leaves this kind of bitter uh bitter temperament you know you're just always trying to tell me you know so what they do and i've seen it so much with something does not um go hand in hand with their innate nature with a innate morality they and this is very interesting i've seen it so many times they do a psychological hypnosis on

themselves and shakes their con concept of morality you see this with that you see this a lot he he lies all the time i've actually i've actually seen went back to the texts of the claims he makes i s and i don't find them a women praying i mean you did address a woman praying in closets and then he brings another video where uh yeah he it's interesting he names a lot of my ladies like oh we love our tradition we love imam abu

if you really bring some of that fat like eben that says women can lead men in prayer he'll get a heart attack he'll get a heart attack right his heart will come out of his tits to be honest that's what's going to happen these people are not you know they're not that they don't have that depth of knowledge like they're not actually alone yeah they're just it's shallow reading so you know it's basically romanticism a false romanticism i mean for [ __ ] sake i'm sorry enough to grow up absolutely i absolutely agree with you what you're saying that look it is but it because of

that empowering element like it gives you a license to tell people off and what greater license then to say look who's rubber stamped it god has you know god and the prophet we did the prophet it's simple isn't it this is why i said the simplicity that look oh it's in bukhari it's in this book and and it's here you know allah and this is it and this is what our shares have told us and but you're right with age as a person if they live through it a few decades let's say uh you know it comes to our kids

i mean you can't tolerate it for five years i'm not even kidding that is what i see the other thing is muffy they say and i said it myself as well let us get rid of the clergy so what they do is everybody becomes the clergy that is what it is you get rid of the clergy you become the clergy you know the thing isn't it that beware when you fight monsters lest you become one you know and this is nietzsche saying this because what they did was to to wanting to replace meth herbs wanting to replace uh these clergy clergymen and

all they did is just replaced it with a new risk-developed yeah a projection of this like if you were to draw it into a fantasy scenario it would be like uh the major concept version mufi you have said that the punishment can change with times with

the authority of abu qasam al-buri which is fine but i want to know mufti what was his reasoning what was his reasoning from the quran and the sunnah that would give him such a view because look you can't say that he had this view which is fine i have nothing against it but what is that the reference and authorities they argue that this was what the shariah mandate now they argue this based on uh they will look at for example certain hadith they will quote them so they will quote a hadith where uh the prophet will say about letting

someone off uh they will quote these hadiths like so for example there's a hadith about the person coming to the prophet and the prophet says well have you prayed and he says yeah and then he says well okay uh so they will call there's another hadith in the muslim where they're going to do punish someone for uh and this one the person runs away but they catch him and then they tell the prophet that he ran away but we caught him and we did this to him and the prophet says that you know if only you let let him go and

for you so they take the and this thing like the lottery thing or different things and what they say is that this shows that the muscle was the makasid it was the maksa and as that changes with the day and age you can change it because if like think about it if toba

that you know the prophet saying look if he did oh well why did you punish him and that was in zina so they're saying if toba can drop a hat and then then what do you what about changing it and they use other by the way they use other examples as well where uh where somebody is made to um um you know they made to pay for something we as a punishment to show that a punishment can change to monetary punishment so they give these kind of examples but this is all in the in the kind of

background to the philosophy yeah but mostly those would not go against the clear verse of the quran which they often quote and i have this in my mind as well but anyone who i mean you know the verse anyone who rules other than allah is either first or a catholic or something how do you interpret that verse in that case yes but this verse is speaking this verse is speaking primarily by bani isn't it it's allah saying to them it's not actually this verse isn't actually primarily to the muslims it's actually

speaking about look we gave the moses this and we gave them this and this this this and whosoever does not judge by what god it was trying to show that look how these people had behaved now it was not trying to you see you know what's interesting is the jewish uh uh the kind of echoing of the jewish corruption let's say if we call it that or misguidance in the quran isn't about them changing the laws necessarily it's about the arrogant actually they did this based on makassid or they had this it was to do

with arrogance and stubbornness that they adhered to certain things so yeah well yeah yeah they basically had this and you see this a lot among the salafi as well is that our [ __ ] does not smell attitude when they do it it's okay if if that guy does that these are the other term my favorite one i use this a lot

yeah they they they do this a lot uh yeah so so that is the reasoning then that we do not understand something that look this this you know when when allah says because he's telling us that there's different laws for different communities here so we understand from this it's not the law per se that's existed from time immemorial because it's changed all the time so alcohol was permissible for a different people it's become impermissible here so it's not alcohol per se now what that so what is it that god is talking about you see the akamu you know

this thing that allah is speaking about is having law and order because humanity can't prosper without law and order having a lawless society those people are transgressives but this is very different when this is very different to saying we've got a lawful society but we're just debating can this particular law match this muscle or should it be now should it kind of manifest in a different way we're not talking about lawlessness nobody is going to law

you actually see allah says when there is a situation of contract write it down no it's a huge problem because nobody writes down contracts that much anymore like if you're going to buy something online you don't really take a paper and write it you don't do that but the quran says explicitly and the language is actually assertive which is interesting it says that do it yeah write it so i think and take and do this no not writing is it i think shafi actually gave a very ridiculous fatwa which says that if you buy something

right yeah that was okay [Laughter] that those who were tradesmen never said you know like imam abu hanifa was a businessman they were just chill imam shafi who was not a businessman and he actually suffered unfortunately from poverty and stuff he actually had really strict trading rules

this actually shows that we really do need to go back to the salaf because salaf were not weird people to be honest they were fun people i i i love that going back to them and if you go to the table in as well you find them very open-minded they're not like this in fact must be so open-minded uh i actually found out that the sahaba actually learned greek when they moved out like let's say when they went to syria they would learn greek which is as a bengali yeah as a bengali which is a huge thing for

me because i don't know if you know this but in like in the 50s we had like when we were pakistan we had this thing like officially it was that you have to speak now i'm not i'm not dissing on don't get me wrong but i'm saying because they have arabic script because they had the arabic script they would associate it with arabic and they made the language holy and i do find arabic amazing it's probably one of my favorite languages but the thing is mufti what they would do is otherwise the other languages like you speak bengali you're a hindu you're a hindu stuff like that and you see this in the middle east as well like

in iran let's let's take in iran if you speak proper persian like if you limit the words of arabic instantly you become as a restaurant human jews you must know you you must you know [ __ ] up your arabic i think that's a shame you know what that is it's a sign of insecurity that it is people allah says

this you know the fact that you have different tongues and different languages and different you're different this is a sign that you it all points back to one god like there are signs manifestations of the divine and people become so insecure that they try to ban other languages they try to ban others current examples these things make people hate islam for no reason take north africa north africa they're i mean yes they have arab people but they're not really arabs now what

happens is you come and say uh speak arabic or or you're something else like you're no no him mumbo jumbo something then they translated this whole thing going over there with the amazing this is why the amazing are so uh annoyed because these people you know why are they why are they blocking out because you see the way i say is that look my understanding the way i i say things is look have like if you want arabic as the primary language have it but don't promote if people want to promote their cultures let them promote them don't feel insecure don't feel that

oh my god if people start speaking amazing everybody's going to forget arabic no they're not and don't think that oh because you know these people are kurdish or if they speak kurdish with no like so what like let them celebrate it it's it's not it's the the irony is by by stamping down on it you the reaction is so harsh because those people it's so disgusting because even i remember you know mufti i actually back in my heart for days i struggled with the verses that said we've divided you into nations and tribes you know what what why it's the okay since the tribes and nations

are different our mission is more difficult to make it into one that is how you know the mind thinks you the the reading says it's different but it translates in your mind it's different try to make it one that's what it messes it all up i think i totally agree and mostly the reaction see one thing i have realized dealing with apostates etc these people to be honest they're not uneducated people these are not people ignorant of islam in fact the ignorant ones are the ones that will have you believe that

grower be coming up to bukhari but these people what happens and i i i often say that atheists are more concerned with god than people of religion because they some of them become obsessed to that extent they do they do the theological discussions they have i mean here's the things uh there's a thing with the agnostics or let's see the atheists they have more theological discussions than any theological and muslim history and to be honest muslims have never been that interested in theology some have but in general our tradition is

theology leave that aside ours is clear so i have noticed it but the thing is mufti if you lie to them that's one thing you know if you if someone grows up with lies you can refute it oh what you knew it was wrong done job done easy but if the truth if the lies are intertwined or you know sprinkle bits of truth in them like let's say you sprinkle bits of ebony's heart on someone's idea of the prophet how do you refute it you now have to go into source criticism which is another problem we have this you can't criticize the sources you must worship them ten

times a day not five or ten yeah i that's so think said it's true and i find yeah sorry carry on i'll move the last thing i like i swear to you this is the absolute last thing you can cut me off after that can you elaborate i'll try to get back next month again please do like take me up mufti can you end with uh history of imam shafi as in he was a maliki all his life and then probably you can even say half because he studied under bernie or abu youssef i don't i don't

remember what happens but you said that it's because he has a crisis of uh like he does not belong anywhere he does not have a land that has to himself but can you uh go into a little bit of details as he went what made him truly you know take 180 degree views three times not two because two would be going back to the same time three times why does he do it i think you see i think uh right okay there's a number of things now i have got some videos where i'm saying certain things and i'm discussing them about imam shafi in the discussions i've got one what do you know a couple

of you don't go into detail i've actually scanned for that but you don't go into that muscle details can you say where are you yeah there's one where i'm speaking to uh mufti muntasir and we speak about the rivalry between him i'm sure it's on youtube as well it's quite it's about three years old four years old so in that as well i do go into this in some detail you see the truth is that there's going to be many issues it's not going to be like just one issue that triggers someone like there's going to be a whole kind of uh you know this cascade of of things going on now i do think

it was identity as well but i feel the identity was triggered like what i mentioned with musti it was the initial factor was the maliki's attacking him now what happened is i don't think he expected that so when he goes back to egypt the maliki's kind of belittle him so because the and he feels that he has no sense of belonging because think about it it's like if i uh dedicate my life to something and now i go into a place where i realize that i'm just a nobody like these people like i don't count

like it's very painful it's it's not a so what it did is that could either mean that you try to say i am somebody and how why are you somebody because you can't back it up through the market sources that's not gonna happen now there's no point saying he was hanafi even when he was with muhammad shaban he used to consider himself manikin so the other way is either you just retreat and give up he kind of he had this this kind of explosion of thought and he anal

analysis and and he felt that look well actually you know what thinking about it why do we need to have this allegiance to imam malik like why not shift it to islam why do i need to be uh dependent on medina why do i need to depend on and so why not objectify this not and and it's a great project and to be fair i think it is in many ways testimony to his uh you know to his genius to be able to do that although i disagree with the concept but i the fact that he managed to fight back this thing and set up you know in its

aftermath and entire movement it was a great accomplishment like if you look at that it's a great amazing yeah obviously i don't agree with his thing but i i salute his accomplishment he had some wacky views female genitalia mutilation yeah yeah i have said and people have got offended i do feel that he was kind of i'm assuming would have been probably autistic but uh just based on some of his rulings i'm guessing that but people obviously when i said that people got offended

on the discussion on the on the discussion you had with dr mehdi hassan i actually looked every bit of the internet to look for the twin sister thing when he marries the twin siamese twin let's find it does he go into detail does he go does he go into the details of it like he just mentions that story he mentions that details that i highlight that he mentions that he did this and and then he kind of uh you know divorced her afterwards and he has this brief discussion on

uh whether that was right or wrong i think scholars are not that honest by honest i mean they know these things exist like they will say we grew up hearing that oh the differences are just it's in bits they did not really have differences they were great people this yeah this is ridiculous stuff this is the reason why they reconcile the most absurdly clearly contra i mean it's so contradictory if forget the christians if another sect of

muslims did it you would go full on them but when it happens to you are we speaking specifically about that issue who are you saying in general in general and i'm i'm talking about the concept of where he says that you know oh that this kind of abrogates the quran yeah yeah i mean i um this is so absurd but i feel that that's what happened when you become so you know this is why i said about the i feel the autism that

when you become so set on something which is the islam and keeping in mind that imam shaffer he was not from the real muhammad anyway but he was not he was what he actually said i don't know much about it he said i don't know much about hadith he says whatever but the when you set your mind on something and it's monotract then everything else becomes uh compromised by that you know abu safar i think we better wrap this up

in an absolute pleasure but do you respond back to me on instagram went on for so long with so many different amazing discussions gotta say did love the accent oh i should have said it i was totally love the accent you do and it you do and abu safra guys we gotta wrap this up it's been going on whoa it's come over two hours four minute 45 minutes you know i'll take a quick meet and greet from we've got emmy imran khan you're doing it emmy how you doing man

how you doing are you there what's going on what's going on i'm good i'm good are you creating mayhem over there in new york the man the mayhem's creator doesn't even need us anymore here nowadays it's just unbelievable we had a governor in michigan uh 13 people try to kidnap her a governor what the hell whoa

america's just america's just the wild west okay i don't know too long i know these have this has been going on for a long time and you have a couple other people but i just had one question we we're reading this book uh in our book club it's called uh the righteous mind by jonathan hate i don't know if you've read it oh right i think i've i i think i've uh got it on my list but i've not read it yeah righteous mind yeah and we were discussing uh morality and uh you know one of the points like some people were saying and you just actually interesting you came up in your

monday night uh this previous monday night as well and you know some people were thinking that oh it's our morality comes from islam and you talked about that true yeah so it's not true that look yeah in that book though he brings up a point where he says that like in india they asked like uh there's a husband it's part of a study so this husband he warned his wife that if you go out to the theater with some other guy i'm gonna beat you silly and so they took participants and they asked them in india like is what do you

think about that and everybody said you know that's that's fine that's you know that's their agreement and that's fine and they asked people in the west is that okay and in the west they were all just like no that's really wrong and you know that recent question the question is that you know like if we believe morality is you know fitra thing uh that's like you know the conscience the social conscience but what happens when like in a society when that social conscience gets altered like in india where they're saying that it's okay to beat your wife in that instance or like you know in hitler in german

nazi germany or even now in truth america what have like how do we relate those basically yeah you see it's not that right so in my understanding i love when people they just write that in the comments they go here comes in my understanding i feel [Laughter] they go we don't want to know who gives a damn what you feel tell us what allah said what allah feels i'm like thinking huh right so you see this is how i understand this that

morality is eight of um there's like a very base structure whether you want to call it an instinct whether you want to call it a base uh we have that so we just have a core base um it's agile and it's to be built on how we build on it my theory for that oh you doing it you're doing it is that you trying to first of all fix up your hair to get ready to come on you're like quickly all right remove the tissue now

[Laughter] right so you see uh so that's the so this is base or like an instinct that we have and i feel that instinct is very primordial it's very primitive so it's just based on things like we like what it is is we can recognize harm and then we have the concept of empathy it's something like that that's it like it's something very basic so we know what pain is like and we we we

obviously can recognize um we because of empathy we feel that oh that should be averted like this harm but what kind of obviously at a great level like screaming crying that kind of stuff we recognize that but the rest of how society should work i feel that what happens is we there's a socialization process um i also have another little tweak to it i feel that there is this thing are called a collective consciousness right now i feel that the collective consciousness at a subliminal

level has a kind of bi-directionality to it but i don't feel that's the main thing i feel that's just a nuance that's like a layer that it plays into it but i feel generally our society we pick things up like what we're seeing what we're hearing what we're understanding and then this collective consciousness does feed into that as well now right you see now when you mention so that means in different parts of the world people will have a different outlook on morality i feel that that is true although they would agree on fundamentals

but the way that manifests would be shaped by the way their society it just becomes normal for them so for example like if people will recognize that harm is wrong right now however in india like the example you gave they will think that oh it's more harmful to our honor and to our name that my wife is seen with another man therefore because that harm is so great as a punishment i should slapping her is

adequate as a response okay now or beating her up is adequate because it justifies that it's it's it's commensurate because this is such a terrible harm she's done in this society you see that concept of this kind of tribal or this okay it's not tribal in india but this familial family honor the name of the family the name of the the caste or the name of the that doesn't exist as a social construct here so people are primarily individuals right so okay you so he's seeing the wife is going off

with another guy to a cinema now this is it's offending just me like okay the person is being offended and it's not offending my familial kind of honor here there isn't no kind of i've got to do this for the you know the the parampara the whole thing so here it's just me and i'm and and people here do react as well like they will out of a reaction they will do some things you know sometimes people you do get these kind of acts of violence in the in the west as well but here they do recognize deep down okay i've recognized you're a free person you

have the right to do it but i feel kind of betrayed that you did this and i i'm not saying you know in with a cool mind it's not that they would think this is right to do because they would feel that you have your freedoms i have my freedom but this was just an act of passion or uh you know uh crimes of passion what they would say or not a rage it blinded me as a blinding rage so yeah so i think that's it's like the social stories we have will sometimes give layers to with prioritize where to place something so so that's what that's what it is so i think if the social

story changes around you you will kind of uh change and i think this is an interesting one because i we've had this discussion amongst uh sometimes friends and uh i've said that you see it's interesting that i think on certain occasions people will do certain things not even even these acts of anger and these acts of violence not they want to but they feel they have to otherwise they're not seen as man enough like right so it's it's discussion right

yeah exactly this so we had this discussion once that oh if a person's partner cheats what would they do and and even though it's seen as in muslim societies it's definitely and in eastern side is more forgiving to the man to do that but we in this particular discussion we're speaking about the woman cheating so it's interesting that people were saying well look oh you know my god you never tolerate that or this would be unacceptable and these are very open-minded kind of people from guys that are saying this they're not like kind of and the interesting thing is i said yeah but like let's be honest like if

if the guy's cheating you know you you'd be like here well you know come on you know you'd be expect it to be yeah you'd be like yeah well you know and let's just say what you know if she did do this is that wouldn't it be because my point was that wouldn't you place more of a focus on the value like okay if the relationship didn't mean much to you anyway or it just was okay then you might be like oh you know what now i'm not this and it'll be over but imagine you really did uh that relationship with that person meant a lot to you

would this incident mean that it it's an absolute it's a no deal like the whole thing is it's an absolute deal breaker or could you be like like could this be something you could work beyond so i said well why couldn't you work beyond it like i i don't see so we're having this discussion and i was saying that i think on many occasions people are actually more so like not most of on several occasions they're doing this because they feel embarrassed of because it's the expected sorry not embarrassed because they feel it's the expectation

that you know like what kind of a man would i be if i tolerated that so there's more a societal pressure and expectation that because you know somebody said like because if i didn't then i'd just be a simp you know i'd just be this so you do you see whereas because for the female there isn't that cultural kind of expectation i mean it's there as well but it's not in the same way but for the man it's like you're not a real man at the end of the day so you know you're just you're a temp then so a person almost out of and it's interesting that then one of them said

and this kind of proved my point because one of them said because i said look let's say then okay this is when we play hypotheticals i said like okay let's say that your partner whatever like let's say she did have an affair but things you really do like her do appreciate her let's say you are in this you you don't want to really lose her would you rather not know like imagine you could have i know it's a bit of an ironic hypothetical because to have the choice you already know but

let's say you could have this choice would you rather not know and so oh what what you know how would that be so so one of them said yeah i mean i in that case i'd rather not know and and it's so that kind of proves my point and i said because because because the point is that if you knew you feel you have to act because if you don't like you feel this compulsion that i have to then act out so yeah i find these discussions interesting but uh the whole thing tying

into morality i do feel that it's because look morality exists at some level it exists in primates it exists out there in the animal kingdom at a very low level and we obviously have it developed as humans so but is it true that we only get it from religion no i mean no sorry we don't get like religion will just inform us of certain things that we might shape right but really really because you have to remember that you know morality when people say morality they expect expanding to so many things it's not just at a simple level anymore they're going to say well okay this don't do this don't do it like

this don't you like you know there's all these permutations so religion will inform certain things okay and here is not permissible it's not like and some intricacies you might have as a religious thing right otherwise it's not and uh it's not religion generally would conform to human understanding of what is right and wrong uh it wouldn't be the other way around it's interesting you brought that up actually one of the things in the book was uh one of the examples jonathan hate gives is about a brother and sister who just for the fun of it want to have

protected you know relationships incest and some people in our book club were saying it's only sweet alabama so okay yeah i mean you see it's it's interesting that this thing uh incest is an interesting case study because it is unnatural for the most part uh given a choice it would even in animals they they just ten you're not drawn

sexually to that close you know when there's that layer of proximity you would you naturally and people call it the westermark effect or whatever in psychology but you're not drawn to that person and there's been studies you know in the book um the third chimpanzee there's a whole section dedicated to uh when they did the study with mice and where they got siblings or they got you know it's interesting how even when they were separated the mice would not mount those that's the technical word not just being creative not just being imaginative

they wouldn't mount them right so the uh it's it's it's interesting so but it you see what's fascinating is uh these people they've had these discussions should there be laws around this then right now i i've said that that's interesting because i don't really think there should be laws because i think human beings wouldn't do that anyway it's not like uh you know it's like saying there shouldn't be a law that you can't eat crap you know i'm just saying like you would have an aversion to eat crap like you human beings have an aversion to it like

it would you wouldn't you know just like eat it even if a person you know served it to you in a gold plate you wouldn't really eat it that doesn't mean there needs to be a law that if you ate it then we're gonna send you to prison you know i think i think personally because i think that was a different discussion should governments get involved in morality and i don't think governments generally should i don't think it's the you know to talk about that i don't think it's the government's job to be speaking about morality i think the government should be there for policies for for other for laws but not for morality and

so this is an interesting discussion i think it overlaps like incest is is a good example that morally i fee it's clear that it's wrong uh even animals don't do it and he people for the most part would be disgusted by it even creatures would be disgusted by it so but should they be laws to enforce it as in to say like like you gave some example of a brother and sister doing that should they be started like should taxpayers money be spent on punishing people to do that who who decided to violate let's say what most uh

species including humans would consider to be you know disgusting i don't think taxpayers money should go on you know punishing you know it's like if a person keeps eating his own snot you shouldn't have to be paying tax to punish that person i mean that's just like offspring that are a little like until you have like [Laughter] then you have the hills of eyes

would you agree so then a religion would you say that uh like islam would you say that it teaches us the basic morality that we naturally have in ourselves is that yeah so islam affirms that we have this base thing which i would call the fitra right and islam gives you guidelines but then in you see this is it this is where people disagree with me uh some people because i would say that islam then mandates that certain things reflect your own day and age so even though they would agree with me in that generally speaking but they would disagree on certain things like

punishments so the day and age has changed so in the past when there was no police there was no laws in the land you had to islam was strict about having law and order because humanity can only prosper if there's law and order so to have you have to sometimes have strong deterrence because catching people and it's not easy you see so whereas now there's a rigid policing system and there's you know so much in fact sometimes i think there's too many rules and so would the punishments be this harsh now when catching people is a lot easier and

you've got all of these and no i don't think you know these punishments would be that harsh now because there's a level of societal responsibility so yeah gotcha [Music] of course man come down man come down don't worry about the lockdown

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if you can do a small kind act of charity that's all it takes it's a kind little actual act to actually benefit someone out there you know you see someone poor you see someone struggling you see someone whatever in your capacity that's if you can do that you are well on your way to insha allah eternal bliss and happiness